Jack De Belin

[cochise]

@jadtiger Agree 100%

 

[Tim Sheens]

@cochise For sure, but the process needs to be much better balanced and at the moment it is not.

As the accepted conviction/offence rate is in single digits, he and his fellow charged already enjoy the great advantage of regularly only having to obtain a benefit of doubt on a single issue from a juror or two in a system that still allows some belittling of victims.

 

[cochise]

@cochise For sure, but the process needs to be much better balanced and at the moment it is not.

As the accepted conviction/offence rate is in single digits, he and his fellow charged already enjoy the great advantage of regularly only having to obtain a benefit of doubt on a single issue from a juror or two in a system that still allows some belittling of victims.

I fully agree with that, but I don't think that should mean we punish and condemn people before they are convicted! We need a system that does a better job of protecting the victim while maintaining the fundamental right of innocent until proven quilty! If he is found guilty I don't care if they never let him out of jail as he will be proven of being low life scum, but imo he should be treated as innocent until proven otherwise.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Jesus what a gutless ploy by de Belin. True spanner act.

 

[JD Tiger]

If he was innocent would he be attempting to use such a lowlife loophole to excuse himself of the act? This sort of defence just makes him look more guilty, even if he does get off.

Wonder what Marina would say on JDB's above stance?

 

[cochise]

If he was innocent would he be attempting to use such a lowlife loophole to excuse himself of the act? This sort of defence just makes him look more guilty, even if he does get off.

Wonder what Marina would say on JDB's above stance?

This is a poor attempt to shift blame towards the NRL to defeat their stand down policy and their assertion that players are heavily educated in this area. I agree that it is a grubby tactic, but using such a grubby tactic doesn't make him guilty of the offenses he has been charged with. He may be proven to be a rapist and if he is he will deservedly spend a long long time in jail, but in Australia we have the notion of innocent until proven guilty and it is our courts systems role to decide that, not public opinion!

 

[JD Tiger]

@cochise In my opinion though mate, a person who would use such grubby tactics is of such low character that it makes it harder for others to believe them when they proclaim their innocence. No idea what really happened, but it doesn't sound good for him.

 

[cochise]

@cochise In my opinion though mate, a person who would use such grubby tactics is of such low character that it makes it harder for others to believe them when they proclaim their innocence. No idea what really happened, but it doesn't sound good for him.

Yeah I agree fully, but I'd guess people in his situation, whether guilty or innocent, would get fairly desperate in their attempts to get themselves out of that situation.

I 100% agree that it doesn't look good for him, but my opinion matters little and its the courts job to decide. With the way some of this has played out though no matter the outcome he will be forever labelled a rapist. The way the media reports these situations now its almost like we could do away with the courts and have a "Voice" like voting system to decides someone's guilt or innocence.

If he is found guilty I will condemn him as much as anyone, but I would hate to consider or label someone a rapist and later find out that they aren't. So however unlikely it appears that he is innocent or how big a lowlife he looks for his actions then I will consider him innocent of rape and treat him as such until proven otherwise. I will considering a low life grub for cheating on his pregnant girlfriend and the tactics he has used in court thus far, but I will stop short of saying or implying such actions show his guilt!

 

[hammertime]

@cochise But no one has said he is guilty. He's being stood down and receiving full pay while he doesn't play. Best thing for Jack would be to proclaim innocence, welcome his day in court and use his time to go study a degree.

The thing the nrl are missing is the lost wages component by any potential increase he could have received from his next contract. If he is found not guilty, the nrl should top up his wages by what ever loss the time out of the game is perceived to have caused. Including 3rd party. This could potentially be well estimated based on current wage, age, position and rep honours.

 

[Russell]

That's all very well - it could take him 2 years to get this to a verdict in court.

He may well be stood down and receive his payments but.....

This all means he can't play until it is decided, if he is found innocent that is at least two years of his playing life down the drain.

I say - innocent until proven guilty - so play on until the court case.

 

[Tim Sheens]

@Russell Being charged for a crime against an individual as serious as this should result in remand for mine and certainly not able to play a national sport, let alone whilst receiving full pay and benefits as well. Even if a sexual predator already has a string of reported offences, they are still just as likely as not, to not have to defend a further charge.

The system benefits the accused to a ridiculous extent and it needs to be changed. Because of this and other issues, only about 1/3 of attacks are reported and of them, a paltry 1/10 odd result in conviction.

 

[happy_tiger]

@Russell

Yep and then smash him if guilty