Jackson Hastings #251

Snidest 0 said:
What garbage!

He was playing halfback while in the 13 as much as Yeo plays half for Penrith!

First receiver ball distributing lock is not a new concept - and it does not make Cleary as the real 7 obsolete as you seem to suggest with this nonsense.
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Sorry … but nah.
Brooks played as a five eighth in attack and Hastings as the organiser… totally unlike Yeo does at Penrith.
Brooks actually went ok in this role … because he’s not a halfback.
 
Hastings coming back from a serious leg break....

Not sure he's going to light it up on return - I think in his mind he will though.

Very confident young man.
 
Earl said:
He can do this job and do it reasonably well. The problem is he'll be our halfback next season because he is better at that role than Doueihi.
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At the moment there are no other options anyway…we got rid of both the other blokes who could play halfback.
 
jirskyr said:
What silly revisionism.

Hastings played halves for 13 matches and missed 3 suspended, the latter being his own dumb fault. 3 matches at lock.

He was not shifted to lock until Round 18 and at that time not only was Doueihi returning (established star player pre-Hastings) but we were 3 W 10 L with Hastings as half. It's exceptionally justified to make team changes at this time. We win 1 of the 3 matches with Hastings at lock.

I struggle to understand how we "preferred to play lesser players" when he played most of the season in the halves.

Hastings didn't get results. We won 4 games all season and came last. Never come last before. Not even Luke Brooks had been part of a wooden spoon Tigers team before. Hastings achieves it in his first season back.

There are all these Hastings fanboys who get their back up because Hastings tried hard, wore his heart on his sleeve and was good at social media. But we sucked as a team and he was supposed to be one of our leaders.

You have no concept of whether or not Tigers fought to keep Brooks (hard or otherwise). There is every chance we just couldn't offload Brooks for the right price or that opponents were only willing to take him cheap if Tigers footed the bill.

You bring up line engagements, but unfortunately that's just an argument against Hastings. He was COMFORTABLY out-pointed by Brooks in line break assists and try assists. Average fantasy points for Hastings was 45.1 and Brooks 42.9.

And so if Brooks is indeed rubbish, let's all agree he is, I am not sure what it really says about Hastings when he touches the ball a million times, engages the line more than anyone in the comp and only comes away with 11 attack assists and 0 tries the entire season (Brooks ended up with 22 attack assists and 2 tries, in 1 appearance more than Hastings).

No argument that Hastings tried hard all year, but Tigers came stone last and nobody in our roster is beyond being traded to ensure we don't come 16th again.
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Oh cmon dude... You should know better than to use common sense & provide rationale here
 
Earl said:
He can do this job and do it reasonably well. The problem is he'll be our halfback next season because he is better at that role than Doueihi.
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Agreed. I am concerned we are going into 2023 without an organising half back. I would be surprised if Sheens allows this to happen.
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
Marshall and Sheens decided they did not wnat to keep him. Marshall would know a little about good halves. It suggests the club has a plan.
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I'm sure they have a plan. The question is will it work out. I'm looking forward to the season starting and hopefully we perform.
 
Jedi_Tiger said:
we will see in 2023 can't make that call yet
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I think it's pretty unlikely that Brooks will be a better organizing halfback than Hastings. I suppose it doesn't matter unless that is the difference between the two sides.

Just to be clear what matters is us being a better team than the Knights. They have some class in their team. We don't have a player at the same level of Ponga.

I don't know why the Knights under perform so often.
 
cktiger said:
Problem is when he played lock he was also playing halfback in attack.
Personally think he was much better as a halfback than Brooks has ever, or ever, will be based on giving the team direction and possessing footy smarts.
Those spouting losing stats are the same blokes making every excuse in the world that it isn’t Brooks fault whenever the same thing comes up in relation to him.
It’s obvious Sheens didn’t want Hastings and gave him an out to play in a position he preferred for a lot more money.
We’ll soon see if that was the correct decision.
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That’s the way I saw it. Doueihi wore the 6, but looked like a centre for most of the game, while Brooks wore 7 but looked like a 6. I thought at the time it was a work in progress and could get better, but in hindsight I’m thinking Hastings May have been unhappy to be moved to 13 while he was auditioning for a contract at 7.
Here’s a stat...both Brooks and Hastings have kicked winning FG while wearing 7.
 
Earl said:
I'm sure they have a plan. The question is will it work out. I'm looking forward to the season starting and hopefully we perform.
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You either believe in Marshall and Sheens or you don't. In my view you cannot sign a player of the quality of Moses without long term preparations in place especially when such a large portion of your salary cap is allocated to one player. If third parties want to come on board with the player manager that takes organisation as well.
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
You either believe in Marshall and Sheens or you don't.
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Personally I'm not that way inclined. I'll wait and see the results we get prior to making judgements.

They have definitely changed the roster extremely quickly but Madge did help as well.

We haven't signed Moses and even if we do it's going to be a massive contract and he will have to perform.
 
Tucker said:
I do not include the two games at 5/8th because he was clearly not steering the team in those games. That was all Brooks. Hastings took over from Round 6.
I am not arguing that Hastings was our saviour or even our best player. What he brought was a cool head that knew how the game is played. We havent had that since Prince.
You can make the claim that the team won the spoon due to Brooks and Doueihi and Laurie...et al. and that they should all be replaced and thats fine. Except thats not what has occured. We got rid of the only guy out of that group who actually knows how to play football.
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Hastings had similar amount of touches in round 1 & had more touches in round 2 than Brooks.
He had control of the team from the outset, they trained pre-season for it.

I actually thought Hastings was a ball hog, over played his hand ALOT and his organisation abilities were ineffective which then impacted the team in a major way.

Brooks and AD had their worst season on history. I do think their own efforts mixed with Hastings dynamic & Hooker indecision was a problem. We took a very massive step backwards in 22 from 21. The spine changes was a massive issue for us.

People see the game & players differently.
 
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