James Maloney Contract.

[cktiger]

The rumour is the Sharks want Cooper Cronk and will let him go if Cronk signs.
I would much rather him than Reynolds to be honest.
What would we do without rumours?

 

[tig_prmz]

well Maloney has some integrity, rest assured he won't be a prima dona like Mitch

 

[stryker]

Sounds like a greedy bastard. Wouldnt want him anywhere near this club.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Rumours around the traps are that Maloney is not happy with his current contract and is looking for more money despite being signed on until the end of next year with Cronulla.

This thread isn't so much an issue about where he's headed, but what do you think in regard to the supposed reports that he is entitled to a pay rise? He was happy to sign his contract with Cronulla at the time (I gather that it was probably the best deal in front of him at the time,) and now because there has been a lift in the cap and players are signing on for stupid money he sees fit to want to sit down and renegotiate his existing contract.

Without knowing the structure of his contract, I'd assume that the rumours around it would suggest that Maloney had no clauses built in for cap rises. I think it's a bit rich to sign a contract with a club at the time and then expect more money because the goalposts move with the cap. I get he's probably dirty that players like Moses are on more money than him, signed purely on potential, but he should honour his contract and if he does request a release, the Sharks should be under no obligation to pay any of his fare to the new club.

Just my thoughts, what does everyone else think?

If it's okay for clubs to move the goalposts when it suits them, it should also be okay for players to do it when it suits them.

Yeah but clubs generally have to make concessions (pay some/a lot of the fare,) when they move unwanted players on, so players might have to expect that they'll need to make concessions (i.e. forfeit of their contract,) when they want out.

Do you not agree?

Yeah, I do. But I can't see why it's a bit rich for a player to do that when clubs are doing the same thing every season, I've said all along that contracts should be upheld. But it will never happen. So a player wanting out is no difference to a club doing it.
It's wrong both ways

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Rumours around the traps are that Maloney is not happy with his current contract and is looking for more money despite being signed on until the end of next year with Cronulla.

This thread isn't so much an issue about where he's headed, but what do you think in regard to the supposed reports that he is entitled to a pay rise? He was happy to sign his contract with Cronulla at the time (I gather that it was probably the best deal in front of him at the time,) and now because there has been a lift in the cap and players are signing on for stupid money he sees fit to want to sit down and renegotiate his existing contract.

Without knowing the structure of his contract, I'd assume that the rumours around it would suggest that Maloney had no clauses built in for cap rises. I think it's a bit rich to sign a contract with a club at the time and then expect more money because the goalposts move with the cap. I get he's probably dirty that players like Moses are on more money than him, signed purely on potential, but he should honour his contract and if he does request a release, the Sharks should be under no obligation to pay any of his fare to the new club.

Just my thoughts, what does everyone else think?

If it's okay for clubs to move the goalposts when it suits them, it should also be okay for players to do it when it suits them.

Yeah but clubs generally have to make concessions (pay some/a lot of the fare,) when they move unwanted players on, so players might have to expect that they'll need to make concessions (i.e. forfeit of their contract,) when they want out.

Do you not agree?

Yeah, I do. But I can't see why it's a bit rich for a player to do that when clubs are doing the same thing every season, I've said all along that contracts should be upheld. But it will never happen. So a player wanting out is no difference to a club doing it.
It's wrong both ways

True mate.

 

[krayola]

An employee of a business asking for a pay rise seems pretty normal.

And when that employee has played a significant part in making your company the best in the world within a year or two of being there, it's no surprise they're seeking compensation.

It may seem selfish or narcissistic on his part, but those qualities are also part of what make him so good at what he does.

 

[Geo]

Rumours around the traps are that Maloney is not happy with his current contract and is looking for more money despite being signed on until the end of next year with Cronulla.

This thread isn't so much an issue about where he's headed, but what do you think in regard to the supposed reports that he is entitled to a pay rise? He was happy to sign his contract with Cronulla at the time (I gather that it was probably the best deal in front of him at the time,) and now because there has been a lift in the cap and players are signing on for stupid money he sees fit to want to sit down and renegotiate his existing contract.

Without knowing the structure of his contract, I'd assume that the rumours around it would suggest that Maloney had no clauses built in for cap rises. I think it's a bit rich to sign a contract with a club at the time and then expect more money because the goalposts move with the cap. I get he's probably dirty that players like Moses are on more money than him, signed purely on potential, but he should honour his contract and if he does request a release, the Sharks should be under no obligation to pay any of his fare to the new club.

Just my thoughts, what does everyone else think?

If it's okay for clubs to move the goalposts when it suits them, it should also be okay for players to do it when it suits them.

Yeah but clubs generally have to make concessions (pay some/a lot of the fare,) when they move unwanted players on, so players might have to expect that they'll need to make concessions (i.e. forfeit of their contract,) when they want out.

Do you not agree?

Mitchell Moses forfeited the remainder of his contract with the Wests Tigers..we are not contributing 1 more cent to him for the remainder of this season….Parramatta allegedly paid more from next Year...I see no reason why Maloney should he be released by Cronulla should it come to that to expect them to pick up any of his new Clubs contract...I'm sure the new Club would be more than happy to compensate Maloney...

Perhaps the NRL should look at financial compensation between Clubs in the case of players breaking contract..just as when a Club moves on a player the in most cases pick up the difference for the new Clubs contract...

Wests Tigers are said to be interested in Conner Watson for that to happen he would need to be released from his Rorters contract...Should the Rorters have to contribute to Watson's new contract with the Wests Tigers..?

fwiw I agree with both you and GCT ..that a contract is a contract and should be honoured by both parties...but in the Rugby League World as it's stands.. it's as valid as unicorns and fairies...

 

[Spud_Murphy]

I just don't know why he shifts clubs so often - the guy is the fundamental reason why Cronulla won the comp. I'm told it's about money but clubs don't seem very willing to retain him despite his record.

Personally I'd rank him above Milford and Hunt.

Storm -Warriors to play first grade

Warriors -Roosters…Who wouldn't sign with them, they ha just picked up SBW, Jennings, McDonell, Moa etc. Chance to move back to aus

Roosters -Sharks... Roosters were offering a crap deal, think it was 2 years for way less than Sharks

I think you're missing my point. None of the clubs he left seemed overly interested in keeping him. I understand why he took up those offers, I just find it interesting clubs don't seem to care when he goes.

Yeah it is weird. By all accounts he is a great bloke, very motivating and a fantastic team player, so I don't understand the reluctance to keep him either.

Cronulla should be giving him anything he wants because he was one of the main reasons they have a premiership and are looking good to secure another this season. They'd be mad not to keep him. If it's true that he is on less than Moses than that has to be the biggest travesty of all time!

 

[stryker]

An employee of a business asking for a pay rise seems pretty normal.

And when that employee has played a significant part in making your company the best in the world within a year or two of being there, it's no surprise they're seeking compensation.

It may seem selfish or narcissistic on his part, but those qualities are also part of what make him so good at what he does.

His payrise is due in 18 months. He is asking for it early. It doesnt matter how he is currently performing.

 

[sheer64]

An employee of a business asking for a pay rise seems pretty normal.

And when that employee has played a significant part in making your company the best in the world within a year or two of being there, it's no surprise they're seeking compensation.

It may seem selfish or narcissistic on his part, but those qualities are also part of what make him so good at what he does.

His payrise is due in 18 months. He is asking for it early. It doesnt matter how he is currently performing.

He should have put himself out on the market earlier we may have been a chance but not for $1m, more like $750k two years.

 

[krayola]

An employee of a business asking for a pay rise seems pretty normal.

And when that employee has played a significant part in making your company the best in the world within a year or two of being there, it's no surprise they're seeking compensation.

It may seem selfish or narcissistic on his part, but those qualities are also part of what make him so good at what he does.

His payrise is due in 18 months. He is asking for it early. It doesnt matter how he is currently performing.

Fair call

 

[innsaneink]

I just don't know why he shifts clubs so often - the guy is the fundamental reason why Cronulla won the comp. I'm told it's about money but clubs don't seem very willing to retain him despite his record.

Personally I'd rank him above Milford and Hunt.

Storm -Warriors to play first grade

Warriors -Roosters…Who wouldn't sign with them, they ha just picked up SBW, Jennings, McDonell, Moa etc. Chance to move back to aus

Roosters -Sharks... Roosters were offering a crap deal, think it was 2 years for way less than Sharks

I think you're missing my point. None of the clubs he left seemed overly interested in keeping him. I understand why he took up those offers, I just find it interesting clubs don't seem to care when he goes.

Yeah, he's just been instrumental in breaking a 50 year premiership cherry, and they're not fussed at paying him what he wants to keep him placated and to remain at the Sharks. **_He's probably a pain in the arse._**

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Yet they have Fifita they're as well… He couldn't be worse than him

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Yeah true. Who knows, Flanno might be able to manage Fifita, maybe he can't with Maloney.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

An employee of a business asking for a pay rise seems pretty normal.

And when that employee has played a significant part in making your company the best in the world within a year or two of being there, it's no surprise they're seeking compensation.

It may seem selfish or narcissistic on his part, but those qualities are also part of what make him so good at what he does.

His payrise is due in 18 months. He is asking for it early. It doesnt matter how he is currently performing.

Nothing wrong with asking for one. Behaving like a sook when you're knocked back is though.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Storm -Warriors to play first grade

Warriors -Roosters…Who wouldn't sign with them, they ha just picked up SBW, Jennings, McDonell, Moa etc. Chance to move back to aus

Roosters -Sharks... Roosters were offering a crap deal, think it was 2 years for way less than Sharks

I think you're missing my point. None of the clubs he left seemed overly interested in keeping him. I understand why he took up those offers, I just find it interesting clubs don't seem to care when he goes.

Yeah, he's just been instrumental in breaking a 50 year premiership cherry, and they're not fussed at paying him what he wants to keep him placated and to remain at the Sharks. **_He's probably a pain in the arse._**

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Yet they have Fifita they're as well… He couldn't be worse than him

That's not even including Gallen. Probably the most selfish player in the modern game.

 

[Devon Head]

Sounds like a greedy bastard. Wouldnt want him anywhere near this club.

Greedy bastard? the blokes earning 500-600k per season as an incumbent origin and fridge test player. Guys like Moses 800k and Hunt 1.2M are earning up to double he is. No wonder he wants more cash.

 

[tiger_scott]

Hunt's 1.2M contract has really skewed the player market. St George were desperate at the time. Taking TPAs out of the equation, clubs have a set amount of money to be split amongst their squad. A few getting marquee money, a few getting mid range, the remainder getting minimum wage. To be successful a club needs the marquees to perform as such, the mid ranges and minimums to over perform. If the individual does this, they move into the next pay bracket/tier, either (hopefully) at their current club, or move to another willing to pay this. I'm guessing Maloney's 500-600K was probably bottom end marquee money, which he was happy with at the time. But going back to my original point, Hunt has skewed the market. Maybe managers are trying to hasten the payrise process, hence so many 2 year contracts being currently signed. In my opinion, he needs to honour his contract this year and next and hope that the interest is still there for 2019, or sign elsewhere in November, when he is allowed (which has the side benefit for us of disrupting the Sharks). Or, as stated above, the Sharks can negotiate an extension which includes a payrise for next year, to keep him happy.

 

[stryker]

Sounds like a greedy bastard. Wouldnt want him anywhere near this club.

Greedy bastard? the blokes earning 500-600k per season as an incumbent origin and fridge test player. Guys like Moses 800k and Hunt 1.2M are earning up to double he is. No wonder he wants more cash.

As soon as you start comparing your own situation to other people's you lose at life. There are good and bad angles to every circumstance.

Case in point: Maloney is locked into a 'low' contract whilst other less credentialed halves are on big dollars. He could sit around whining or he could realise that he is a part of an organisation that just won the big dance and is looking good for a repeat performance this year, gets to play football overseas in club challenges because he is a part of an elite NRL squad…a squad that has aided him in cementing an Origin jumper worth 90k a year and has him on the cuff of test squad selection for the WC finals at years end. His current contract is providing him with success, sponsorship opportunities, and a probable life after football.
On the flip side, Moses and Hunt are not enjoying life too much one would suspect even though they are raking it in. Wests Tigers supporters hate Mitch and some Parra legends are already calling for him to be dumped to reserve grade. He is only a couple of poor performances away from the embarrassment that he will endure. Hunt already is in reserves and the ground swell of opinion coming out of Dragonland is that he is a waste of money. They will surely let some good players go to squeeze him in...Duges an example. Dragons fans are going to hate him. Both players are not seeing success despite their bank accounts and have many detractors who are growing by the week. They are in the papers constantly for all the wrong reasons which must cause stress. Meanwhile, Maloney is on the verge of an Origin series win that he has played a large part in and his club side is looking very dangerous.

Large contracts bring a lot of negativity with them. You have to be performing at least an 8 every week. Maloney can recieve benefits in other ways if he shut his mouth and didnt portray himself the way he currently is. I think the guy is a giant sook and essentialy a spoilt brat. I know Roosters and Warriors fans who agree.