Jason Schirnack...

[Geo]

Needs his own thread….

IMO the guy shades Barb...I have seen him smash McKendry into the dirt a 20,s level that makes the Dwyer hit look like a love tap..McKendry left the field...I have also seen him destroy oppositions running wide of the ruck and inside balls both at 20's and StateCup...

If used this way as impact off the bench a strike rate of 1 try in 3 games would be handy just like Fe Fi Fo Fifita was this year.....

Discuss????

 

[Spartan117]

Firstly - What does "IMO the guy shades Barb." mean

And then why is he seemingly behind Dywer and BMM - or is he a prop behind Fifita?

Enlighten me.

 

[alex]

I rate him over his brother and thought he partnered Dwyer very well in the back row in the 2009 NYC side.

Wouldve preferred to see him get a run ahead of Mataka at the end of the year.

Can see him turning into a Heighington sort of player … similar build

 

[redemption]

Jason is a relatively small back-rower compared to the monsters we have in Dwyer, Ben MM, Gareth etc. but he does play well above his weight. However I believe the size issue is what has got those other young blokes a run ahead of him - as both were required to fill in at prop (which is not Jason's go)!

His year in 2010 was hampered by injury - but in 2009 in a star-studded NYC pack (Fifita (x2), Woods, Dwyer, Hyland, Curran etc) he was as good if not better than any of his forward mates.

He only turned 21 in July - and while others have been fast-tracked - Jason is making progress at the typical rate for a back-rower who has such quality players ahead of him. If you look at any other team in the NRL - aside from Dwyer & BMM - there are very few back-rowers who have come straight into the top grade from NYC.

Schirnack is an old-school back-rower! He is tough, smart, skillful, aggressive, hits like a sledge-hammer, runs great angles and is a prolific try-scorer from close to the line! He also made every age-group rep team that he was eligible for NZ - despite competing against some huge boys!

The kid is a massive talent and if given a chance in 2011 he will not let us down - in fact I believe he will add another dimension to our quality forward rotation!

 

[redemption]

He is also a genuine tackle-breaker!

In his sole top grade game he made 2 runs for 2 tackle-breaks and one try - 8 tackles and no misses.

Dwyer made only 18 tackle-breaks in 18 games - while by comparison Gareth made 53 from 24 games - Heighno made 103 from 27 games and Liam made 40 from 18 games!

Flanagan with 11 from 21 games is struggling along with Simon!

 

[Tiger_Watto]

He is also a genuine tackle-breaker!

In his sole top grade game he made 2 runs for 2 tackle-breaks and one try - 8 tackles and no misses.

Dwyer made only 18 tackle-breaks in 18 games - while by comparison Gareth made 53 from 24 games - Heighno made 103 from 27 games and Liam made 40 from 18 games!

Flanagan with 11 from 21 games is struggling along with Simon!

Interesting stat on Dwyer. Do you have the Off-load data which is more Dwyers go?

 

[Spartan117]

That's some Good insight Red.

Its hard to make a case for recruitment in this position, filled to the brim with 2nd rowers it appears

 

[Guest]

I'm not sold on young Schirnack just yet. He's got aggression but lacks size but he did have an injury plagued 2010 which included having part of his ear bitten off so I'll reserve judgement until I see him go around in early 2011\. Certainly competition in the Tigers backrow will be fierce, and don't forget Dwyer missed his fair share of football this season due to an injury suffered in the pre-season, he will be one to watch next season too if he has an injury-free preparation.

 

[Geo]

He is also a genuine tackle-breaker!

In his sole top grade game he made 2 runs for 2 tackle-breaks and one try - 8 tackles and no misses.

Dwyer made only 18 tackle-breaks in 18 games - while by comparison Gareth made 53 from 24 games - Heighno made 103 from 27 games and Liam made 40 from 18 games!

Flanagan with 11 from 21 games is struggling along with Simon!

Nice Stats,,fails to take into account Barb was being used in tight as part of the Prop rotation so comparing him based on stats as a second rower is fundamentally flawed….stuggling pffffft...

And Flanno never got decent minutes at decent times so on stats he was poor but impact as far as some nice contibutions to tries was good i thought...

117\. By shades Barb i'm he is and was a better prospect than Dwyer when the played toghther in the 20/s...that's why i like following these kids in the lowers to identify talent and watch them grow into FG...

and LOL Willow not all backrowers need to be massive....LIAM FULTON...

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

He is also a genuine tackle-breaker!

In his sole top grade game he made 2 runs for 2 tackle-breaks and one try - 8 tackles and no misses.

Dwyer made only 18 tackle-breaks in 18 games - while by comparison Gareth made 53 from 24 games - Heighno made 103 from 27 games and Liam made 40 from 18 games!

Flanagan with 11 from 21 games is struggling along with Simon!

Nice Stats,,fails to take into account Barb was being used in tight as part of the Prop rotation so comparing him based on stats as a second rower is fundamentally flawed….stuggling pffffft...

And Flanno never got decent minutes at decent times so on stats he was poor but impact as far as some nice contibutions to tries was good i thought...

117\. By shades Barb i'm he is and was a better prospect than Dwyer when the played toghther in the 20/s...that's why i like following these kids in the lowers to identify talent and watch them grow into FG...

and LOL Willow not all backrowers need to be massive....LIAM FULTON...

Geo, Liam is an exceptional ball player and is the exception to the rule and would fit in easily at hooker, five eighth or lock is he was ever required.

Liam is in the second row because he is way too useful to leave out. I finally have foxtel again after many many months so I'll have to catch up on the NSW cup next year to really gauge Schirnack. Would rather have Ellis/Fulton or Ellis/Payten with Fults and Dwyer on bench.

 

[redemption]

Geo - I totally agree that those stats don't paint a complete picture - but they are interesting nonetheless. I certainly agree that Barb's time at prop denied him the opportunity to show his wares a bit wider (and I did note his time in the front-row in my first post)!

By comparison for front-rowers and tackle-breaks - Fifita was up there with the best in the NRL with 80 from 22 games. Gibbs made 27 from 23 games - Galloway 32 from 20 games - Moors 13 from 11 games - Skando 1 from 5 games and Payto (who played front & back row) 16 from 21! (And you know I rate Todd - so this stat is far from the be-all/end-all regarding their contributions).

For trivia our top 3 tackle-busters in 2010 (who were our only 3 to make over 100) were Lote with 123 from 27 games - Heighno with 103 & Benji with 100!

Watto - as for offloads - which were a stat that the entire team was down on relative to our NRL opponents - Dwyer made 10 - Ellis 13 - Fulton 24 - Heighno 28 - Payten 4 - Moors 7 - Skando 1 - Fifita 6 - Flanagan 5 - Gibbs 16 and Galloway leads the way with 32 (12 of which would have occurred during the finals series)!

Interesting to see that aside from Keith it was actually our small forwards in Heighno & Liam that led the field - with Farah also racking up 20 offloads (and 63 tackle breaks to further illuminate the above stats)!

Willow - if you underestimate the value of a good small loose forward - wait to see how improved the Cows pack is with Dallas Johnson on board in 2011!

And CB while I rate Jason highly - I am certainly not calling for him to replace Ellis - Fulton - Heighington or Dwyer. But he could add something to that rotation!

 

[redemption]

He is also a genuine tackle-breaker!

In his sole top grade game he made 2 runs for 2 tackle-breaks and one try - 8 tackles and no misses.

Dwyer made only 18 tackle-breaks in 18 games - while by comparison Gareth made 53 from 24 games - Heighno made 103 from 27 games and Liam made 40 from 18 games!

Flanagan with 11 from 21 games is struggling along with Simon!

Nice Stats,,fails to take into account Barb was being used in tight as part of the Prop rotation so comparing him based on stats as a second rower is fundamentally flawed….stuggling pffffft...

And Flanno never got decent minutes at decent times so on stats he was poor but impact as far as some nice contibutions to tries was good i thought...

117\. By shades Barb i'm he is and was a better prospect than Dwyer when the played toghther in the 20/s...that's why i like following these kids in the lowers to identify talent and watch them grow into FG...

and LOL Willow not all backrowers need to be massive....LIAM FULTON...

Geo, Liam is an exceptional ball player and is the exception to the rule and would fit in easily at hooker, five eighth or lock is he was ever required.

Liam is in the second row because he is way too useful to leave out. I finally have foxtel again after many many months so I'll have to catch up on the NSW cup next year to really gauge Schirnack. Would rather have Ellis/Fulton or Ellis/Payten with Fults and Dwyer on bench.

Liam & Jason are different styles of footballers - and while smaller than the said giants of our back row Schirnack is much more solid in build (like a slightly more solid version of Heighno)!

And unlike those two who are great defenders but are not known for hurting opponents - Jase can shorten the big fellas up in quick time (a'la Dallas Johnson)!

 

[Geo]

Geez its not that hard

11\. GARETH
12\. Liam
13\. Heighno

14\. Fifita
15\. Gibbs
16 Barb
17 Bash Bro Schirnack….

Now that Fitz is definately gone the 17 is the only MAJOR spot up for grabs...

If Beau knows is working on dummy half drills and halves work at training i'll spew.... :brick:

Ps Red .....i did not read your intial post STATS blinded me apologies...i agree with you agreeing wit me... 😕

 

[tiger05]

I haven't seen him play much however from what I have seen he is the most damaging wide running backrower in the club in the lower grades.

I think he has to get a go next year in the top grade.

 

[fergiefurr]

Schirnack stood out more then dwyer inthe 09 NYC team by some margain IMO

dwyer is just phyiscally a lot more ready the Jason

Jason reminds me a lot of watmough, who also struggled to cement a first grade spot early on his career due to his size. I'm very glad he is still at the club as I thought he may have looked elsewhere for a chance. He is definetaly a first grader waiting to happen.

 

[redemption]

Just watch the round 4 games v Penrith last year! Schirnack captained the team in Nicholls' absence and aside from being placed on report for a high clenched fist shot he was the best player on the field.

He scored three tries and had another disallowed for a forward pass - as well as making the linebreak for the team's first try in an 80 minute performance. It was a special game from a special player!!

His leadership and work rate were brilliant - but the quality of his work was the real highlight!

The main difference between Schirnack and Watmough is defence. Jason's defence is already 100% better than Watmough's arm-grab/turnstyle tackling will ever be!

 

[Geo]

He reminds me of Les Boyd only fitter…lot to like about Bash Bro... :smiley:

 

[redemption]

Just watch the round 4 games v Penrith last year! Schirnack captained the team in Nicholls' absence and aside from being placed on report for a high clenched fist shot he was the best player on the field.

He scored three tries and had another disallowed for a forward pass - as well as making the linebreak for the team's first try in an 80 minute performance. It was a special game from a special player!!

His leadership and work rate were brilliant - but the quality of his work was the real highlight!

The main difference between Schirnack and Watmough is defence. Jason's defence is already 100% better than Watmough's arm-grab/turnstyle tackling will ever be!

I should note that I just watched the above game again today on DVD and did not recall the above purely from memory - but watching it again reminded me of just how excited I was and still am about Schirnack as a long-term prospect!

As for tackle-breaks - he must have recorded figures in the double digits in that game - as he slipped tackles to create his own line break (from a Makaui inside ball) and another for Bodie Clarke within the first 10 minutes! He then went on to beat the first tackler in 80% of his runs - and he was opposing some really big Panthers boys!

It was a true captain's knock! One of my off-the-ball highlights was his animated encouragement of Corby from 2nd marker after Chris smashed Joel Romelo!

It should also be noted that Jason scored another hat-trick in the Tigers 24-12 win against Parra (he & Mullaney got all our points) in round 14! Very few back-rowers (even the likes of Beaver) would lay claim to two hat-tricks in a season of elite level league!

I like Geo's comparison with Boyd - as I've said before he is old-school tough & skillful! The reality is - like Boyd - just to compete with the bigger blokes you have to be tougher, smarter and more skilled. Jase fits that bill perfectly!

 

[Guest]

Is he in the Tigers long-term plans though? As we know, some of the players we rate on here don't seem to get much of a look-in with Sheens.

 

[redemption]

He is in the top 25 with a year remaining on his contract! I hope he will stay if given some top grade opportunities in 2011!

Sheensy played a major role in his recruitment from Newcastle and I know he does rate him highly. 2010 was a stilted year for Jason with injury - and our regular back-rowers stayed relatively injury-free which did not help his cause when he came back!

I believe Sheensy is looking at BMM and Dwyer as part-time props - that allows Jason to come-in & be mentored as Heighno's long-term replacement (as he previously did by/for Galea)!!!