Jason Taylor could turn into Stephen Kearney

[Squaddy]

His philosophy at the Eels was to change them into the Storm. All he wanted was defence, said the attack would come once they got their defence right.

They ended up getting flogged because not only did they struggle on defense, but they had no plans in attack so couldn't build pressure or come back into a match if they got behind.

The Brooks to hooker move also shows he put no thought into what would happen to our attack when Halatau went off, kind of indicated he had no plan whatsoever with our halfback stuck at dummy half and Moses unprepared on how to steer the side around without his halfback or his captain. Just really short sighted and reminds me so much of those dour Eels years

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

His philosophy at the Eels was to change them into the Storm. All he wanted was defence, said the attack would come once they got their defence right.

They ended up getting flogged because not only did they struggle on defense, but they had no plans in attack so couldn't build pressure or come back into a match if they got behind.

The Brooks to hooker move also shows he put no thought into what would happen to our attack when Halatau went off, kind of indicated he had no plan whatsoever with our halfback stuck at dummy half and Moses unprepared on how to steer the side around without his halfback or his captain. Just really short sighted and reminds me so much of those dour Eels years

Cant argue with that.

The Brooks at hooker thing i think is not as clear though. My take was that he doesnt want to play Cherrington. Cherrington is too young and fresh and used to playing what is in front of him, overlaps and the like. He would really struggle to stick to the five hit ups and kick structure.

 

[Fumbles]

Have to agree as well very much like Kearney at Parra. Brooks to hooker was just dumb.

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

His philosophy at the Eels was to change them into the Storm. All he wanted was defence, said the attack would come once they got their defence right.

They ended up getting flogged because not only did they struggle on defense, but they had no plans in attack so couldn't build pressure or come back into a match if they got behind.

The Brooks to hooker move also shows he put no thought into what would happen to our attack when Halatau went off, kind of indicated he had no plan whatsoever with our halfback stuck at dummy half and Moses unprepared on how to steer the side around without his halfback or his captain. Just really short sighted and reminds me so much of those dour Eels years

Cant argue with that.

The Brooks at hooker thing i think is not as clear though. My take was that he doesnt want to play Cherrington. Cherrington is too young and fresh and used to playing what is in front of him, overlaps and the like. He would really struggle to stick to the five hit ups and kick structure.

I wonder if not playing cherrington was indirectly because of a salary cap issue.

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

Have to agree as well very much like Kearney at Parra. Brooks to hooker was just dumb.

While I agree re Brooks at Hooker it certainly would of given him some tackling practice. Something he could do with at his young age. I wonder if this all in on Defense mentality that JT currently fosters had something to do with it.It is obvious we don't have the experience/cattle to win this years comp so providing 18 months from now we see a super unit who do compete for titles I can cop a few in match gambles providing we see progress in the upcoming matches/months.

 

[innsaneink]

His philosophy at the Eels was to change them into the Storm. All he wanted was defence, said the attack would come once they got their defence right.

They ended up getting flogged because not only did they struggle on defense, but they had no plans in attack so couldn't build pressure or come back into a match if they got behind.

The Brooks to hooker move also shows he put no thought into what would happen to our attack when Halatau went off, kind of indicated he had no plan whatsoever with our halfback stuck at dummy half and Moses unprepared on how to steer the side around without his halfback or his captain. Just really short sighted and reminds me so much of those dour Eels years

Cant argue with that.

The Brooks at hooker thing i think is not as clear though. My take was that he doesnt want to play Cherrington. Cherrington is too young and fresh and used to playing what is in front of him, overlaps and the like. He would really struggle to stick to the five hit ups and kick structure.

I wonder if not playing cherrington was indirectly because of a salary cap issue.

It affects the 2 tier cap…people forget this when calling for players to be dropped.

Rememeber having dozens of injuries and having to blood rookies, we breached our cap a few years running iirc

 

[Eddie]

That is a very valid point from the original poster.

Kearney came in with the Storm with their blue print. Same as Taylor has come from easts with their blue print. Problem is they do not have the super stars that made the game plan look clinical at their former clubs. Parramatta under Kearney looked bored and eventually lost all confidence in playing such a one out brand of football.

I reckon the best coaches adapt to the players they have got. I do understand the need to toughen up the defence and play a more percentage brand of football after years of free wheeling. However witheh young talent we have I think the balance needs to be found between their natural instincts and balance and structure. Can talk about culture all you like but culture essentially is winning or losing and we are losing.

We need to give taylor 18 month before we can properly judge him. In fairness like Kearney he also walked into a dud roster. However if he goes down the same stubborn path as Kearney he will end up like him, without another NRL team to coach.

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

That is a very valid point from the original poster.

Kearney came in with the Storm with their blue print. Same as Taylor has come from easts with their blue print. Problem is they do not have the super stars that made the game plan look clinical at their former clubs. Parramatta under Kearney looked bored and eventually lost all confidence in playing such a one out brand of football.

I reckon the best coaches adapt to the players they have got. I do understand the need to toughen up the defence and play a more percentage brand of football after years of free wheeling. However witheh young talent we have I think the balance needs to be found between their natural instincts and balance and structure. Can talk about culture all you like but culture essentially is winning or losing and we are losing.

We need to give taylor 18 month before we can properly judge him. In fairness like Kearney he also walked into a dud roster. However if he goes down the same stubborn path as Kearney he will end up like him, without another NRL team to coach.

Good points made here and Wayne Bennett has shown time and time again he is the king to adapting a team to their abilities.

 

[Geo]

So if he is successful does that turn him into Craig Bellemy

 

[spearby]

he is 11 games into a 3 year deal turn it up

 

[innsaneink]

Good coaches arent stupid, they can go to clubs with good rosters, and they also attract good players…they eventually get the team they want.

Potter & JT are rookies...they dont have this luxury

 

[Newtown]

Good coaches arent stupid, they can go to clubs with good rosters, and they also attract good players…they eventually get the team they want.

Potter & JT are rookies...they dont have this luxury

JT is not a rookie NRL first grade coach. He was the Head coach of South Sydney who weren't over enthused with him.

 

[jirskyr]

Re Brooks at dummy half, I wonder if this was a test of putting Moses into half, rather than Brooks at hooker.

Everyone has been saying Moses has been intentionally stifled, even the coach, so this was a chance to give him more control. I think honestly it was Moses' best attacking game ever, even if rough around the edges.

Also we failed to score a point in the first half, perhaps JT wanted to mix it up a little.

Obviously we didnt manage any points but I'd argue we got closer in second half than first.

 

[Flippedy]

That would be one HUGE metamorphosis :mrgreen:

 

[LCA]

he is 11 games into a 3 year deal turn it up

11 games within which his side has given up huge leads (Raiders and Bulldogs) and are beaten; have been flogged by a genuine contender in the Roosters; make two line breaks against a rabble in the Knights (who have been subsequently beaten by a depleted Broncos) and who scored 0 and were beaten by a Cowboys side minus Thurston, Tamau, Scott and Morgan.

That's called FORM.

How in the world can you be asking for some sort of period of grace for this bloke?

And, to compare him to someone as dignified (and ultimately successful at international level) as Kearney is a joke. There was real talent in Kearney, as he has shown. I don't think Taylor will be given, or deserve, the same opportunity.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

He's doing a good job so far. Kearney never showed any emotion after any loss. They'd get thumped and he'd say ''the lads are disappointed''

 

[stryker]

Re Brooks at dummy half, I wonder if this was a test of putting Moses into half, rather Brooks into hooker…..we failed to score a point in the first half, perhaps JT wanted to mix it up a little.

Obviously we didnt manage any points but I'd argue we got closer in second half than first.

If this is true then whats the point of playing Luke "the next Joey" Brooks?

 

[Russell]

he is 11 games into a 3 year deal turn it up

11 games within which his side has given up huge leads (Raiders and Bulldogs) and are beaten; have been flogged by a genuine contender in the Roosters; make two line breaks against a rabble in the Knights (who have been subsequently beaten by a depleted Broncos) and who scored 0 and were beaten by a Cowboys side minus Thurston, Tamau, Scott and Morgan.

That's called FORM.

How in the world can you be asking for some sort of period of grace for this bloke?

And, to compare him to someone as dignified (and ultimately successful at international level) as Kearney is a joke. There was real talent in Kearney, as he has shown. I don't think Taylor will be given, or deserve, the same opportunity.

Conveniently left out that we had our entire front row out against the Cowboys.

I think Kearney's roster in the Kiwi side is a little better than the inexperienced side WT have in 2015.

Are you saying Kearney if he had our side he could beat Australia? (probably would've in the last game).

Don't get the comparison - makes a difference if you have the cattle.

 

[jirskyr]

Re Brooks at dummy half, I wonder if this was a test of putting Moses into half, rather Brooks into hooker…..we failed to score a point in the first half, perhaps JT wanted to mix it up a little.

Obviously we didnt manage any points but I'd argue we got closer in second half than first.

If this is true then whats the point of playing Luke "the next Joey" Brooks?

Not a long-term solution but a test of shuffled positions.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

His philosophy at the Eels was to change them into the Storm. All he wanted was defence, said the attack would come once they got their defence right.

They ended up getting flogged because not only did they struggle on defense, but they had no plans in attack so couldn't build pressure or come back into a match if they got behind.

The Brooks to hooker move also shows he put no thought into what would happen to our attack when Halatau went off, kind of indicated he had no plan whatsoever with our halfback stuck at dummy half and Moses unprepared on how to steer the side around without his halfback or his captain. Just really short sighted and reminds me so much of those dour Eels years

Cant argue with that.

The Brooks at hooker thing i think is not as clear though. My take was that he doesnt want to play Cherrington. Cherrington is too young and fresh and used to playing what is in front of him, overlaps and the like. He would really struggle to stick to the five hit ups and kick structure.

No offence meant , but if Cherrington could not handle sticking to five hit ups and a kick, them what's he doing in an NRL club. It's not as if there's any complication to it.
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