Jason Taylor on replacing Robbie Farah and the future of Mitch Moses and James Tedesco

Winning some games may save Taylor and rightly so that's what he is employed to do - however if we can't retain the players we want then that will be the deal breaker in my mind.
Hopefully for all concerned both will happen.
That doesn't change my view of his poor use of our roster at the backend of the season which was not in the best interest of the team but was suiting a personal agenda - regardless of all the spin that was used to justify it.
 
@kafta said:
@Russell said:
@kafta said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
No comment on the Cows?

Thurston has never beaten the Tigers in Sydney it is a curse, The only time they beat us was last year at Cambo because Thurston was out & we played Taylorball.

That's it - do concede a point Kafta.

The Tigers didn't beat the Cows at Leichhardt because they were the better team.

It was the curse - please!!!!! get real.

When they win, we are pathetic - when we win it is the curse.

You Guys…..

Yes we played well that game but after a big win like that we never back it up. We had to win 1 from 3 games to make the 8 and got hammered in 2 of them not good enough for me.

Agree our players played well and thats why they won all three games and JT also deserves a rap for that.

But the win against the Cows, if we look at the game with no bias you will see the Cows were not at their best, you can argue that we put the pressure on them and we did. But thats because we played what was in front of us and what was in front of us was a team out of sorts, Thurston back from injury, was off the pace he was slow passing, so his runners were over running the play, he was slow to kicks we were getting close enough to put pressure on him and he had a shocker.

Hoodo schmoodo, he was not at his best they shouldn't have played him, but we beat them fair and square.
 
Look at the Bulldog's they don't win a premiership in a few years and start changing everything to stay competitive.We miss the 8 by 1 point and celebrate it as a successful season.I am surprised they haven't released a WESTS TIGERS MISSED THE TOP 8 BY 1 POINT 2016 t shirt.
 
@Telltails said:
Winning some games may save Taylor and rightly so that's what he is employed to do - however if we can't retain the players we want then that will be the deal breaker in my mind.
Hopefully for all concerned both will happen.
**That doesn't change my view of his poor use of our roster at the backend of the season which was not in the best interest of the team but was suiting a personal agenda - regardless of all the spin that was used to justify it**.

I could understand this line of thinking if we had not won another game after Farah was punted, even I was upset at the time because i saw it as a case of self sabotage. But immediately won 3 games in a row, it was clear that the use of the roster was not a factor in why we failed to make the 8\. It just wasn't. We won 4 games and lost 3 in that period, and one of those games we lost was by only a point. Mitchell Moses grew another leg post-Farah, but Taylor gets no credit for that either.
 
@kafta said:
Look at the Bulldog's they don't win a premiership in a few years and start changing everything to stay competitive.We miss the 8 by 1 point and celebrate it as a successful season.I am surprised they haven't released a WESTS TIGERS MISSED THE TOP 8 BY 1 POINT 2016 t shirt.

:roll

Thats funny!
 
@gallagher said:
Jeez Louise. Now we can't even enjoy our great victories. It just a curse when we win.
I seriously don't know why some people follow us. They don't seem to enjoy anything about the club.

I think they just enjoy whinging and this club seems to give them plenty to whinge about…
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@Telltails said:
Winning some games may save Taylor and rightly so that's what he is employed to do - however if we can't retain the players we want then that will be the deal breaker in my mind.
Hopefully for all concerned both will happen.
**That doesn't change my view of his poor use of our roster at the backend of the season which was not in the best interest of the team but was suiting a personal agenda - regardless of all the spin that was used to justify it**.

I could understand this line of thinking if we had not won another game after Farah was punted, even I was upset at the time because i saw it as a case of self sabotage. But immediately won 3 games in a row, it was clear that the use of the roster was not a factor in why we failed to make the 8\. It just wasn't. We won 4 games and lost 3 in that period, and one of those games we lost was by only a point. Mitchell Moses grew another leg post-Farah, but Taylor gets no credit for that either.

He wields a lot of power…. A 2nd yer coach.... Ousting a current origin player to satisfy a personal agenda.... You're deluded if you believe this
 
Don't know if it's because I was as sick as a dog during the last month of the season, but IMO, even though our team are elite athletes (far cry from myself), the virus that went through the team at the time, would have had an impact and taken the edge off their playing capabilities. Even though I was out of bed, up and about as per usual, it took ages to feel 100% again.
Yep, sure, probably trying to find an excuse for their lack lustre performance at the end of the season but I honestly don't believe you can rule that out.
Anyway, regardless, we DID finish one point off the finals, so let's TRY and be positive about the future, get behind the coach, team, new players on board and the whole WT administration and show a united Tigers front!
 
@Flippedy said:
@Russell said:
@Flippedy said:
"Taylor said all the players had gained great confidence from the way they finished this season"

😱pen_mouth: How they gained great confidence from a 50 point drubbing when their season was on the line and they had everything to play for is beyond me! Easily pleased or very low expectations? Perhaps a bit of both.

Pretty well going to turn into another Taylor bashing thread I think - what is new.

TAYLOR - WHAT A JOKE HE IS!!!!!

How dare he be positive about the coming season, how dare he talk our halves up and the full back of the year as well. He really is an idiot. He also let the fans know what his plans are for the number nine - how dare he let the supporters know what is going on. He also has many other indiscretions to answer for - like filling people in on Jamal etc.

Like some on here say - he should be **much more** negative - he should talk about how we were thrashed by Canberra twice this season by a total of over 100 points. How being a young team that can be a "rocks and diamonds" affair is no excuse - they should play like a SOO side every week - just because you are learning is a totally unrealistic reason.
He should also flaunt the second tier salary cap by playing who he likes, when he likes. The NRL would never know he is not sticking to the rules - would they?. It is also boring, saying we have no money all the time - maybe true but that is no excuse. is it?
What a goose this guy is - it is all plain sailing for him. he took over a team that was going to win the comp - didn't he? - everyone could see that.
He should be spruking this stuff as often as possible to gain more fans, tell all and sundry we have nothing to look forward to, that would increase the memberships tenfold I am sure, it would promote more positive articles and drag more people through the gate…..

YOU GUYS!!!!!

No Russell I'm not trying to turn it into a Taylor bashing thread at all - whilst I'm not a huge fan of his coaching methods, I am not one of the forum members who continually posts negative stuff about him. I have always been prepared to give him a go and I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do with the team, especially now that all the drama with Farah is finally out of the way.

However, the mindset of the players and the culture of whole club, in general, is what really worries me and that is what I am alluding to in the above post and have also commented on in posts on other threads.

It's a very fragile mindset, a mindset of accepting mediocrity that has plagued this club for many years now and until it is properly addressed, we will continue to be dwelling in the bottom half of the ladder, sometimes hovering around the 8 like this season, but failing at the last hurdle, as we have done many times in the past. Is Taylor the man to change the mindset and culture of this club, once and for all, and take us over that hurdle mentally and physically? I don't know, but how anyone - player, CEO or coach could be happy with the way the team finished last season is beyond my comprehension.

That round 26 performance and the performance against Penrith, that 851 mentioned, just a fortnight before, when they had everything to play for were just bloody appalling! A good club would have been livid with such a capitulation at the pointy end of the season, and rightly so, but we somehow think it was ok to end it that way and take great confidence from it? I'm sorry if my expectations are too high for some, but a mentally prepared team, in the dream position that we were at the end of last season, would've made the 8 without question (except for perhaps the Warriors, who seem to be plagued by the same mental fragility that we have).

I hope they can come out next season and learn and grow from the disappointment of that capitulation - because, let's face it, that's what it was and it's great that they can take some positives out of the games they could grind out and when they put it altogether for 80 minutes (i.e. against Cowboys/Brisbane), but in all honesty, until something changes within the mindset of the players and the club overall, until they are willing to put in for 80 mins every week (not just once every 2 months) we're most likely gonna be in for yet another season of the mediocrity and inconsistency, which we've all become accustomed to way too easily.

Respect your opinion Flip.

I don't think I am accepting mediocrity or inconsistency - I think I am accepting a Club that is trying it's best to dig itself out of a giant hole that others put it into (i.e. people not now at the club).

*I see a board that is trying it's damnedest to get the club out of debt and to have money available to buy a few players that we need to turn the WT from a mid table club to a top four club. The fact is that we won't become that without those players.

*I see an S & C team that did an exceptional job this season to turn us from a bunch of crocs over the previous two seasons into a club with one of the shortest injury tolls in the league.

*I see a coach who is honest, hard working, liked by most players and is doing his best with what he has available. I see a coach who has been blamed for "The Farah debacle" - not saying he didn't want to get rid of this player who was disruptive and not part of the coaches plans. It would be a fact that when he announced early in the year he was gone, he would have been backed by the board. The board actually did a complete turnaround and not only didn't back him when the going got rough, but he was made to apologise in front of the whole team. He had to wear the animosity of this this but never blamed anyone else. He managed to get his way at the end of the season as he should have earlier. I see a coach who was hamstrung with the second tier salary cap - some players he wanted to select he couldn't and v v. I am sure if he didn't have to - he would not have picked Rankin as a dummy half - it was his best option at the time (and no he could not have picked Farah, he was injured, not that he would have if he was available).

*I see a coach who had a lot of youngsters that needed experience - most spent the year improving e.g. James Tedesco, Mitchell Moses, Ava Seumanufagai, Josh Aloiai, JJ Felise and Joel Edwards - to a lesser extent Kyle Lovett, David Nofoaluma and Sauaso Sue. Brooks marked time and some fell by the wayside, like Curtis Sironen.

*We had some great wins, some lucky wins, some close losses and a few thrashings - nothing we did not expect at the start of the year. The team tried - we know when you have youngsters, you have "rocks and diamonds" - that is what we got, surprise, surprise.

I am not accepting mediocrity by saying it was a reasonable season - it was, for what we achieved, with what we had. We need to do better, we all know that and I am sure that the players and coach know that as well. By saying we did ok doesn't mean we are not going to give it our all in 2017 or that we can't try and be twice as good - it is just saying - "we did better than last time, but not as good as next time."
 
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@rialto said:
IMO, No way RF would have gone if he was able to play even at the end of the season.

Absolutely he'd still be here. And we'd be going through all the crap of trying to move him on in another disrupted off season.
Thankfully the club has moved on. Feel sorry for those fans that can't seen to move on aswell but hopefully a successful season will lift their enthusiasm.
 
@kafta said:
Look at the Bulldog's they don't win a premiership in a few years and start changing everything to stay competitive.We miss the 8 by 1 point and celebrate it as a successful season.I am surprised they haven't released a WESTS TIGERS MISSED THE TOP 8 BY 1 POINT 2016 t shirt.

Agreed… We the Fans should DEMAND more from the Club & Players.
 
@851 said:
@bathursttiger said:
@Swordy said:
Cue yet another thread of coach bashing.

It took just 4 replies to start coach bashing(851), could we not have 1 post that stays away from bashing JT please.
:bash

Well I feel the same about all the blind JT love, but thats ok all the time is it

I don't have blind love for JT, in fact this is the first comment I have made about JT.
Personally I'm not sure that he is the right person to coach the team, but while ever he is I will support him as I support the club.
This negativity against him is totally unwarranted,
I wish that supporters would get behind him and the team.
 
@gallagher said:
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@rialto said:
IMO, No way RF would have gone if he was able to play even at the end of the season.

Absolutely he'd still be here. And we'd be going through all the crap of trying to move him on in another disrupted off season.
Thankfully the club has moved on. Feel sorry for those fans that can't seen to move on aswell but hopefully a successful season will lift their enthusiasm.

Agree whole heartedly, with your last sentence.

If we are winning and things are looking good none of us supporters will worry about RF or JT or who said what.

What will remain is the manner it was done and while i think Loyalty is a myth. It makes it hard to keep Teddy, Moses etc.. with us in 5 or 6 years time using the loyalty card and at some stage they may start looking over their shoulders and think "remember what happened to RF, is it going to happen to me", cause the club now has form (conceded we don't really know what happen in the inner sanctum) …...
 
Same old crap from those still upset about Farah….

Nothing wrong with article, pre-season hasn't started & the squad isn't finalised. Give the guy a break.
 
@bathursttiger said:
@851 said:
@bathursttiger said:
@Swordy said:
Cue yet another thread of coach bashing.

It took just 4 replies to start coach bashing(851), could we not have 1 post that stays away from bashing JT please.
:bash

Well I feel the same about all the blind JT love, but thats ok all the time is it

I don't have blind love for JT, in fact this is the first comment I have made about JT.
Personally I'm not sure that he is the right person to coach the team, but while ever he is I will support him as I support the club.
This negativity against him is totally unwarranted,
I wish that supporters would get behind him and the team.

why can't supporters like the team but not the coach?
 
@kafta said:
@Russell said:
@kafta said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
No comment on the Cows?

Thurston has never beaten the Tigers in Sydney it is a curse, The only time they beat us was last year at Cambo because Thurston was out & we played Taylorball.

That's it - do concede a point Kafta.

The Tigers didn't beat the Cows at Leichhardt because they were the better team.

It was the curse - please!!!!! get real.

When they win, we are pathetic - when we win it is the curse.

You Guys…..

Yes we played well that game but after a big win like that we never back it up. We had to win 1 from 3 games to make the 8 and got hammered in 2 of them not good enough for me.

One of the reasons we fail to backup 2 hard games in a row is that our forwards a a good small pack, and not a huge pack.
Until we get a big aggressive second rower, to help out we are going to struggle week in and week out.
A Josh Jackson Ethan Lowe Boyd Cordner type player is what we desperately need, and it's going to be hard if we rely on those few juniors that are coming through be be of first grade standard every week.
 
@Tiger Come Lately said:
@gallagher said:
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@rialto said:
IMO, No way RF would have gone if he was able to play even at the end of the season.

Absolutely he'd still be here. And we'd be going through all the crap of trying to move him on in another disrupted off season.
Thankfully the club has moved on. Feel sorry for those fans that can't seen to move on aswell but hopefully a successful season will lift their enthusiasm.

Agree whole heartedly, with your last sentence.

If we are winning and things are looking good none of us supporters will worry about RF or JT or who said what.

What will remain is the manner it was done and while i think Loyalty is a myth. It makes it hard to keep Teddy, Moses etc.. with us in 5 or 6 years time using the loyalty card and at some stage they may start looking over their shoulders and think "remember what happened to RF, is it going to happen to me", cause the club now has form (conceded we don't really know what happen in the inner sanctum) …...

All Clubs have form when they want to move on players…Did a young Robbie Farah or Benji Marshall leave when Brett Hodgson was pushed out of the Club before his time as they couldn't offer him what he deserved as the Club wanted to invest in a umm young Robbie Farah and Benji Marshall......No...
 
@Geo. said:
@Tiger Come Lately said:
@gallagher said:
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@rialto said:
IMO, No way RF would have gone if he was able to play even at the end of the season.

Absolutely he'd still be here. And we'd be going through all the crap of trying to move him on in another disrupted off season.
Thankfully the club has moved on. Feel sorry for those fans that can't seen to move on aswell but hopefully a successful season will lift their enthusiasm.

Agree whole heartedly, with your last sentence.

If we are winning and things are looking good none of us supporters will worry about RF or JT or who said what.

What will remain is the manner it was done and while i think Loyalty is a myth. It makes it hard to keep Teddy, Moses etc.. with us in 5 or 6 years time using the loyalty card and at some stage they may start looking over their shoulders and think "remember what happened to RF, is it going to happen to me", cause the club now has form (conceded we don't really know what happen in the inner sanctum) …...

All Clubs have form when they want to move on players…Did a young Robbie Farah or Benji Marshall leave when Brett Hodgson was pushed out of the Club before his time as they couldn't offer him what he deserved as the Club wanted to invest in a umm young Robbie Farah and Benji Marshall......No...

Good call, so Robbie should have seen the writing on the wall
 
@Geo. said:
@Tiger Come Lately said:
@gallagher said:
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@rialto said:
IMO, No way RF would have gone if he was able to play even at the end of the season.

Absolutely he'd still be here. And we'd be going through all the crap of trying to move him on in another disrupted off season.
Thankfully the club has moved on. Feel sorry for those fans that can't seen to move on aswell but hopefully a successful season will lift their enthusiasm.

Agree whole heartedly, with your last sentence.

If we are winning and things are looking good none of us supporters will worry about RF or JT or who said what.

What will remain is the manner it was done and while i think Loyalty is a myth. It makes it hard to keep Teddy, Moses etc.. with us in 5 or 6 years time using the loyalty card and at some stage they may start looking over their shoulders and think "remember what happened to RF, is it going to happen to me", cause the club now has form (conceded we don't really know what happen in the inner sanctum) …...

All Clubs have form when they want to move on players…Did a young Robbie Farah or Benji Marshall leave when Brett Hodgson was pushed out of the Club before his time as they couldn't offer him what he deserved as the Club wanted to invest in a umm young Robbie Farah and Benji Marshall......No...

How about Darren Senter at the end of 2004\. Club captain who was desperate to go around again in 05, but the club refused because of you know who.
 

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