Jason Taylor on replacing Robbie Farah and the future of Mitch Moses and James Tedesco

[stevetiger]

The Tigers didn't beat the Cows at Leichhardt because they were the better team.

We beat them because we were the better team. That is the level we can play at. We can beat the top 4 sides in the comp without a drama.

We have a good team. Taylor can coach them to win games as well.

They have to put it together next season consistently to make the 8 and then they have to fire at the right time. Lot's of other teams are in the same position so it's not like we are unique but at some point this team has to perform to it's potential.

I'll state the risks that we have:-

1\. Taylor. He has the ability to lose us games because he really can be a muppet.
2\. Brooks & Moses. These guys can be inconsistent and not perform in big games.
3\. We need a quality no 9.
4\. We need our backrow to perform.
5\. We need our wingers especially on our left hand side to perform.
6\. Injuries.

Other teams will have just as many if different risks.

 

[stevetiger]

Winning some games may save Taylor and rightly so that's what he is employed to do - however if we can't retain the players we want then that will be the deal breaker in my mind.
Hopefully for all concerned both will happen.
**That doesn't change my view of his poor use of our roster at the backend of the season which was not in the best interest of the team but was suiting a personal agenda - regardless of all the spin that was used to justify it**.

I could understand this line of thinking if we had not won another game after Farah was punted, even I was upset at the time because i saw it as a case of self sabotage. But immediately won 3 games in a row, it was clear that the use of the roster was not a factor in why we failed to make the 8\. It just wasn't. We won 4 games and lost 3 in that period, and one of those games we lost was by only a point. Mitchell Moses grew another leg post-Farah, but Taylor gets no credit for that either.

I disagree with this. We don't know why Moses improved a lot. He looks like becoming in my opinion one of the premier halves in the game but he still has a downside. When all the pressure was on him he did go to pieces at times.

I think with Robbie out of the team we weren't as good a team.

The facts are we don't know if Taylor's decisions stopped us making the finals or not but I think it was simply an ego based decision that he made because he wanted Robbie out of the club. I see no benefit at all to the decision to screw Robbie over. If we ended up with more money in the salary cap then so be it but that hasn't occurred. I also think it disrupted the team although the players did to their best.

I think Taylor has made some awful decisions and acted like a classless moron over the past two seasons. I wouldn't resign based on his behaviours over the last two seasons no matter the results next season however I really hope that we have a good season.

 

[851]

It took just 4 replies to start coach bashing(851), could we not have 1 post that stays away from bashing JT please.
:bash

Well I feel the same about all the blind JT love, but thats ok all the time is it

I don't have blind love for JT, in fact this is the first comment I have made about JT.
Personally I'm not sure that he is the right person to coach the team, but while ever he is I will support him as I support the club.
This negativity against him is totally unwarranted,
I wish that supporters would get behind him and the team.

why can't supporters like the team but not the coach?

Exactly, I support the team but not the coach, and I think that is my perogitive, I think we under achieved this year, but I am not surprised.
I also think we would be a better team with a different coach, but I will support them any way, and my wardrobe is still full of wests and weststigers gear even though I have no time for the coach.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

It is fair enough that some fans support our team but not our coach.
But to boo JT when he walks out onto the field or is shown on the big screen is just pathetic IMO.

 

[newtiger]

It is fair enough that some fans support our team but not our coach.
But to boo JT when he walks out onto the field or is shown on the big screen is just pathetic IMO.

X2

 

[newtiger]

Well I feel the same about all the blind JT love, but thats ok all the time is it

I don't have blind love for JT, in fact this is the first comment I have made about JT.
Personally I'm not sure that he is the right person to coach the team, but while ever he is I will support him as I support the club.
This negativity against him is totally unwarranted,
I wish that supporters would get behind him and the team.

why can't supporters like the team but not the coach?

Exactly, I support the team but not the coach, and I think that is my perogitive, I think we under achieved this year, but I am not surprised.
I also think we would be a better team with a different coach, but I will support them any way, and my wardrobe is still full of wests and weststigers gear even though I have no time for the coach.

I'm not real sure of the missed tackle count for JT over the last 2 years, or how many of his goals missed maybe you could let me know.
I do agree that some of his team selections can be questionable, it isn't the strongest squad in the NRL and you can only deal the cards you have.

 

[Russell]

It is fair enough that some fans support our team but not our coach.
But to boo JT when he walks out onto the field or is shown on the big screen is just pathetic IMO.

X 3

 

[Swordy]

Well I feel the same about all the blind JT love, but thats ok all the time is it

I don't have blind love for JT, in fact this is the first comment I have made about JT.
Personally I'm not sure that he is the right person to coach the team, but while ever he is I will support him as I support the club.
This negativity against him is totally unwarranted,
I wish that supporters would get behind him and the team.

why can't supporters like the team but not the coach?

Exactly, I support the team but not the coach, and I think that is my perogitive, I think we under achieved this year, but I am not surprised.
I also think we would be a better team with a different coach, but I will support them any way, and my wardrobe is still full of wests and weststigers gear even though I have no time for the coach.

Abbsolutley 851, and you have your reasons and thats fine. But every single thread gets hijacked to JT hating. It was the same when Farah was here, every single thread got hijacked to why he is a knob. The whole thing just gets very tiresome.

Myself and many others dont come here as much because the forum we used to share ideas, thoughts and opinions has turned into garbage. The other day, a guy gets called a turd up the s bend and attempts to link a comment to racism. Seriously? And it goes through to the keeper without so much as a warning. Id love to see that guy say the same thing to another on the street. He would be eating soup for a month.

Everyone is preety up to who hates who and why. But can we just have some threads left alone for genuine valuable discussion? Maybe this thread is about Taylor and as such the right thread to share an opinion on him,but many others are not.

 

[cqtiger]

One thing is for sure, this club has the most "chicken Little" supporters.

Honestly, some of you must have a sorry life.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I disagree with this. We don't know why Moses improved a lot. He looks like becoming in my opinion one of the premier halves in the game but he still has a downside. When all the pressure was on him he did go to pieces at times.

Was interesting timing don't you think. Imo it added some weight to the whispers that he felt more comfortable playing without Farah.

I think with Robbie out of the team we weren't as good a team.

We won 4 and lost 3\. One of the losses was by a point. If we weren't as good than it was by only a very slim margin.

The facts are we don't know if Taylor's decisions stopped us making the finals or not but I think it was simply an ego based decision that he made because he wanted Robbie out of the club. I see no benefit at all to the decision to screw Robbie over. If we ended up with more money in the salary cap then so be it but that hasn't occurred. I also think it disrupted the team although the players did to their best.

If it was solely about JT and his ego why did the board stand back and allow it? If it was an ego play Taylor would most likely be out of a job now. The fact he isn't and the fact he has the support from above to the extent that Pascoe hinted a month ago that he could get an extension tells me it was a joint decision from JT and the board. Yet Taylor is the one who wears it all?

I think Taylor has made some awful decisions and acted like a classless moron over the past two seasons. I wouldn't resign based on his behaviours over the last two seasons no matter the results next season however I really hope that we have a good season.

You accuse Taylor of getting personal by screwing over Farah, yet it seems personal for you with Taylor by saying you don't care how far he takes us next yr.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

"Taylor said all the players had gained great confidence from the way they finished this season"

😱pen_mouth: How they gained great confidence from a 50 point drubbing when their season was on the line and they had everything to play for is beyond me! Easily pleased or very low expectations? Perhaps a bit of both.

That's what drives me nuts about Taylor. Its like he ignores what is actually happening and keeps talking up what he wants to happen.
A filler at best -all you can expect at the moment - but I got over his chat a long time ago.
He is still hamstrung by lack of depth and recruitment in my opinion - looking at other teams that are true contenders - we need to have few injuries. Idris will add some size to our backline - but still lots of unknowns with him. Hope to hear very little from JT now until the season starts.

He lives in a parallel universe, where if you close your eyes and don't look at the problems, then they don't really exist

 

[TCL]

I don't have blind love for JT, in fact this is the first comment I have made about JT.
Personally I'm not sure that he is the right person to coach the team, but while ever he is I will support him as I support the club.
This negativity against him is totally unwarranted,
I wish that supporters would get behind him and the team.

why can't supporters like the team but not the coach?

Exactly, I support the team but not the coach, and I think that is my perogitive, I think we under achieved this year, but I am not surprised.
I also think we would be a better team with a different coach, but I will support them any way, and my wardrobe is still full of wests and weststigers gear even though I have no time for the coach.

I'm not real sure of the missed tackle count for JT over the last 2 years, or how many of his goals missed maybe you could let me know.
I do agree that some of his team selections can be questionable, it isn't the strongest squad in the NRL and you can only deal the cards you have.

I agree with both of you. we would be a better team with a different coach and he didn't miss the tackles or the goals.

Having said that, may i say this; there is no guarantee that different coach is going to do better cause this maybe as good as the team gets and it may be JT's coaching thats impacting their defence and kicking? :smiley:

with the next coach opinions maybe reversed??

Sorry Geo I've used ?? again.

 

[Tiger4life]

At the end of the day a forum is based on opinions. We will have people that agree or disagree with what we say. Nothing should be taken personally or be aimed personally at anyone. No one should be belittled or name called for either supporting JT or not supporting him. If everyone plays the ball and not the man, there would be much less personal arguments on here.

FYI i have no issue with what JT says in this article, my issue is with our head office not being on the front foot and releasing this informatiion like other clubs have done. Especially when the membership team is working their asses off to get us to renew our memberships.

 

[WestsBenTigers]

There was the tiniest of rumours of JT getting coach of the year.

It comes down to possibly a few missed goal-kicks in the tight games that would have got us across the line and into the semis.

Can't JT give Moses a few tips

The only other thing to work on is DEFENCE

You can't let sides dominate you, especially when your forwards are getting smashed by the likes of Canterbury etc.

 

[stevetiger]

You accuse Taylor of getting personal by screwing over Farah, yet it seems personal for you with Taylor by saying you don't care how far he takes us next yr.

It's definitely not personal with me. It's two years of underperformance with too many dumb decisions during that time. I have no problems with losing games if the players play to the best of their ability or even close to it.

I have a problem when the coach does stupid stuff. I just don't think you should lose like that.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

You accuse Taylor of getting personal by screwing over Farah, yet it seems personal for you with Taylor by saying you don't care how far he takes us next yr.

It's definitely not personal with me. It's two years of underperformance with too many dumb decisions during that time. I have no problems with losing games if the players play to the best of their ability or even close to it.

I have a problem when the coach does stupid stuff. I just don't think you should lose like that.

Maybe it isn't personal, but to say you think he should finish up next yr regardless of where we finish is a bit unfair. If we have a great yr next yr, it might go a long way in justifying the things he has done the last 2 yrs. Even if you did disagree with him. A top 8 finish next yr and he deserves a new contract. That seems fair as it shows the team has improved every yr since he took over.

If you don't like what the coach is doing that's okay. If you don't support him, i think its a bit extreme, because you can't support the team and not the coach, as much as some like to separate them. That's your prerogative though. But what i do find ridiculous and can't understand is when people want him gone regardless of results. There are some who'd be happy to see him gone even if he won us a premiership. That's when to me it feels personal, like they can't put aside the issues with Farah or any other things he's done that they don't approve on.

 

[Tiger4life]

You accuse Taylor of getting personal by screwing over Farah, yet it seems personal for you with Taylor by saying you don't care how far he takes us next yr.

It's definitely not personal with me. It's two years of underperformance with too many dumb decisions during that time. I have no problems with losing games if the players play to the best of their ability or even close to it.

I have a problem when the coach does stupid stuff. I just don't think you should lose like that.

I agree with you 100%. If JT picks the best team in their best positions, holds players accountable, then you dont mind losing. We are as fans allowed to criticise a coaches decisions, it doesnt mean its personal against the coach, it means we are so desperate to have success.

 

[matchball]

Ok let's just check the criteria that will satisfy the anti JT crowd.

Handsome coach is preferred. JT is too pasty and looks like a scarecrow apparently. Looks seem to be important to some, very suspect.
He must be a supercoach that commands a million bucks a season when we are stone motherless broke.

Did I miss anything?
I see the Rabbits are using Robbie to attract scorned robbie supporters. Wouldn't be the first Muppet to jump to a new team.
Where are you all now?

 

[jadtiger]

Ok let's just check the criteria that will satisfy the anti JT crowd.

Handsome coach is preferred. JT is too pasty and looks like a scarecrow apparently. Looks seem to be important to some, very suspect.
He must be a supercoach that commands a million bucks a season when we are stone motherless broke.

Did I miss anything?
I see the Rabbits are using Robbie to attract scorned robbie supporters. Wouldn't be the first Muppet to jump to a new team.
Where are you all now?

I can only speak for myself but i would never change clubs.If i didnt for Artie Beetson one of the best players to put on boots i wont now.I have also never left because of an awful coach Alan Jones was nearly as bad as Taylor and Lamb was worse if you support a club you stick with them but you dont gloss over rubbish like we are being fed now.

 

[Telltails]

JT will be critiqued on his performance for as long as he is coach of this club just like every other coach of a professional sports team.
It seems that many who are most outraged by any level of criticism towards him are also those that were hell bent on seeing the end of Farah as being some significant factor that would bring some level of change - monumental or otherwise.
Well he is gone and pretty much was gone from the moment he was dropped because it was evident he was never going to be selected again.
JT is fair game just like the current playing squad so if anyone needs to be told to "move on" or "get over it" - it's those who are still obsessing over their hate for Farah.