Jimmy the jet??

[cktiger]

Hard to imagine we would show any interest in Mansour - an older version of Nofo.
I'd rather stick with the backs we have (although they're no speedsters) and hope they actually show some improvement.

 

[earl]

. Or we can sign wingers for 800k to play fullback , when they will be playing wing in 10 games because they’re not a fullback . This is why we didn’t pay him 800k . Because you don’t pay wingers 800k.

It's a good argument and I can see your point of view but JAC at 800k is a much better option that some of the players we have on our books currently. We do need to manage the cap and I think the club has been going for the right players so far. We've just missed out on the top quality signings that have been available the past couple of years.

We have to take some calculated risks such as going hard for guys like Stefano and Blore and Laurie. JAC and Mitchell were also calculated risks.

 

[jirskyr]

Our chairman: Pascoe was only checking his welfare....

Reality: our recruitment manger AND the player's agent there....

The Chairman acts as though we are all fools. Extremely tired of his antics already.

And why does he feel compelled to comment on player negotiations? LM and JAC he ran to the press and ended up looking like a fool.

Don't let it trouble you so much mate, it really doesn't matter what Lee says or does not say in public.

 

[Telltails]

Our chairman: Pascoe was only checking his welfare....

Reality: our recruitment manger AND the player's agent there....

The Chairman acts as though we are all fools. Extremely tired of his antics already.

And why does he feel compelled to comment on player negotiations? LM and JAC he ran to the press and ended up looking like a fool.

Lee was quite in the media once and was shown to be 100% correct. Also how many times during this protracted time did you read “why doesn’t the club come out and tell us what is going on?” Well our chairman came out ONCE and simply said JAC signed a HoA and if he isn’t at Melbourne he will be at the Tigers. He was 100% correct. I think that is pretty professional tbh. We also don’t know the reasons behind it. It’s possible that Souffs and Bulldogs were sniffing around and that was Tigers method of telling them to back off. Probable IMO.


Tigers fans...*”Why won’t the club tell us what is going on?”*

Also Tigers fans....*”why is the chairman in the media telling us what is going on?”*

Funny isn't it those who demand to know what's going on until it turns out to be not what they want to hear.

 

[Harvey]

I thought Pascoe had absolutely nothing to do with recruitment?

It must have been a last minute invitation as he looked like they dragged him there from the lane behind a pub with paper bag in hand.

.

To try to entice him, he had been on the cans with Jimmy for the last 3 days

 

[jirskyr]

Brisbane finished last this year but I didn’t mind because the club had the confidence to back its development programme and youth. I believe the Broncs will finish ahead of us next season. While the Broncs don’t lose often, it is great they have taken a long term approach to success not only investing in youth but having the confidence to back it in the NRL.

Of course Brisbane can back their youth development - they draw from an entire city and its surrounds.

That being said, the last 10 players to debut for Brisbane:
- Jordan Riki - Kiwi
- Tyson Gamble - from Brisbane but was first taken on by Tigers
- Isaac Luke - journeyman
- Cory Paix - Broncos junior
- Teis Niu - Broncos junior
- Ethan Bullemor - from Emerald, but brought in via Broncos
- Jamil Hopoate - from Sydney; sacked by both Parra and Manly as a junior
- Brodie Croft - purchased from Storm
- Jesse Arthars - purchased from Titans
- Izaia Perese - rugby union junior who has gone back to union, now in France

In the next set of players #11-20: includes Rhys Kennedy from Souths, Herbie Farnworth from UK, Sean O'Sullivan from Roosters, Xavier Coates from Gold Coast, Richie Kennar from Souths, Segeyaro from Sharks, Shaun Fensom from Cowboys

Even Tom Dearden is a product of Mackay and Gold Coast before being pinched by Broncos.

That's 15 of the last 20 players to debut for the Broncos who are not direct juniors from the Brisbane system.

 

[jirskyr]

Funny isn't it those who demand to know what's going on until it turns out to be not what they want to hear.

Not so funny.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Girdler is correct. We cannot carry two of these types.

If our systems were in place and producing fast young backs, we would not be forced to rely on Joey Leilua's and to a lesser extent Roberts. When are we going to see fast young backs promoted to the NRL from our juniors? I believe Maguire should be able to answer this question as he has been here for some time.

When there is 1 good enough to play nrl I’m guessing

And why hasn't our system being producing them as the Panthers, Brisbane, God Coast and Knights do?

Our system produced: Tedesco, Nofoaluma, Simona, Suli, Koroibete, Moses, Brooks, Martin, Papenhousen, N Brown, Woods, Fafita, Dwyer etc.
not a bad effort :blush:

How many of them are with the club? It's been a while since the most recent Papenhuyzen/Suli were produced. Where is this programme now?

You can’t have it both ways . You were complaining we don’t develop them , and also complaining we don’t keep them . You’re all over the place . Flat out your issue is we don’t have better players , in your opinion. You’re upset we kept the wrong players and upset we signed the wrong players . **But the key to all this is past tense . We have legacy issues with the 24- retirement age players .** Because when they were coming up we were a basket case . Now we have to convince them that the current pathways is fixed . And it takes a lot of convincing it appears .
The only way through is to keep the current path for our juniors , which means buying stop gap players , like Mansour , who can do a job for a year , whilst Th ese kids get ready . Or we can sign wingers for 800k to play fullback , when they will be playing wing in 10 games because they’re not a fullback . This is why we didn’t pay him 800k . Because you don’t pay wingers 800k.

Think you've hit the nail on the head as to why the team has mostly gone backwards, we've often released players from a core group and switched them with players that aren't exactly better but fit other requirements.
Size, speed and attacking prowess/skill has been the way the game is going, for the past few years, and we've prematurely replaced any of our players (with these abilities) with the wrong type of player - in building team development.

I believe the club should simply focus on areas we need to improve, and last year showed weak defensive structures -especially in the middle - and a lack of speed on the edges.
It's why I can't behind Mansour, it's not a necessity IMO as we don't really need another winger plus we'll also need to find a suitable replacement for Garner too and there's only a certain amount of spots to fill.

Yea . I’m with you . But if it’s a case of , we need a winger we know is ready to go round 1 , rather than “I dunno if we are going to get AJ and Cini ready by round 1 . Also it’s the end of November and most years gone by , they’re either a week or 2 into training . We’ve got less time to get more out of our current youthful backline .
The team you start round 1 with is almost never the team you finish the season with . So in many ways you have to view it that way . Most people want the team settled 6 weeks before kickoff , when in actuality we might settle until round 10 , or , like this year , never really settle . As I’ve stated Mansour = reliable , tough above average to average first grade winger . If he does his job and no one supplants him , then all this blocking pathways rubbish is null and void because they couldn’t beat out “bog average” Mansour .
I’m not saying I want to sign him , I’m saying I understand it , and if it happens I’m not against it. Jimmy the jet , well , I dunno . His talent is intoxicating, but is that enough ? I dunno , maybe he actually needs a hard nosed coach like Madge , instead of the man manger types .
And the culture he just left at the bunnies , is pretty enabling of bad behaviour. He’s at the last chance saloon now , it’s up to him really .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

. Or we can sign wingers for 800k to play fullback , when they will be playing wing in 10 games because they’re not a fullback . This is why we didn’t pay him 800k . Because you don’t pay wingers 800k.

It's a good argument and I can see your point of view but JAC at 800k is a much better option that some of the players we have on our books currently. We do need to manage the cap and I think the club has been going for the right players so far. We've just missed out on the top quality signings that have been available the past couple of years.

We have to take some calculated risks such as going hard for guys like Stefano and Blore and Laurie. JAC and Mitchell were also calculated risks.

I don’t think he’s worth 800k . Sorry . He outran Sami because Of early kicks on the wing . I said this earlier , there was an opportunity early in that game , where he returned the ball, got on the outside of his opposite number , and had the chance for a 3 on 2. He had the ball tucked into his chest . That was enough for me . To move him to fullback you’re robbing Peter to pay Paul , and I don’t think his fullback play would be better than what we currently have . His winger play , of course , he’s the best in the world . So now you’re paying 800k for a winger , and an inferior fullback .
So what happens if we miss out on an actual fullback because we have 309k locked into a winger more than is neccesary?
It’s history repeating where , no matter now well he plays he will never ever be worth the money he is on . Which is ? the Mbye and packer problem . No matter how well either of those 2 play , they will never be worth the amount of money wasted on them ,because they’re so over paid .

 

[twentyforty]

Girdler is correct. We cannot carry two of these types.

If our systems were in place and producing fast young backs, we would not be forced to rely on Joey Leilua's and to a lesser extent Roberts. When are we going to see fast young backs promoted to the NRL from our juniors? I believe Maguire should be able to answer this question as he has been here for some time.

When there is 1 good enough to play nrl I’m guessing

And why hasn't our system being producing them as the Panthers, Brisbane, God Coast and Knights do?

Our system produced: Tedesco, Nofoaluma, Simona, Suli, Koroibete, Moses, Brooks, Martin, Papenhousen, N Brown, Woods, Fafita, Dwyer etc.
not a bad effort :blush:

How many of them are with the club? It's been a while since the most recent Papenhuyzen/Suli were produced. Where is this programme now?

You can’t have it both ways . You were complaining we don’t develop them , and also complaining we don’t keep them . You’re all over the place . Flat out your issue is we don’t have better players , in your opinion. You’re upset we kept the wrong players and upset we signed the wrong players . But the key to all this is past tense . We have legacy issues with the 24- retirement age players . Because when they were coming up we were a basket case . Now we have to convince them that the current pathways is fixed . And it takes a lot of convincing it appears .
The only way through is to keep the current path for our juniors , which means buying stop gap players , like Mansour , who can do a job for a year , whilst Th ese kids get ready . Or we can sign wingers for 800k to play fullback , when they will be playing wing in 10 games because they’re not a fullback . This is why we didn’t pay him 800k . Because you don’t pay wingers 800k.

We've a chronic lack of pace in the back line, we attempt to sign JAC and that fails. The answer now it seems is to buy a slow 30 year old winger as a 'stop gap'. How does that fix our lack of pace? It doesn't so the problem will still be there next year although we've spent more money to not fix the problem. It appears to be policy being made on the run and a reaction to failing to sign JAC. And you write of me being all over the place!

We need to understand what a premiership winning team looks like and set it in stone. Do not deviate from this objective.
I thought we were on track talking to Foxx, Burton, Laurie, but again we get blown off course by rejected players from a team which wants its hands on the trophy. Then we try to justify the change of direction.
I don’t care how impressed the brains trust are, you’re not going to get the answers you seek over a cup of coffee. We have enough players sitting in the grandstand. I feel for Jimmy, I really do. Let’s afford him some freedom and Souths have budgeted another $30k for rehab in 2021. He could really do with the time off.
What’s wrong with building a team based on youthful exuberance with the more mature leaders, leading in the right direction?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Brisbane finished last this year but I didn’t mind because the club had the confidence to back its development programme and youth. I believe the Broncs will finish ahead of us next season. While the Broncs don’t lose often, it is great they have taken a long term approach to success not only investing in youth but having the confidence to back it in the NRL.

Of course Brisbane can back their youth development - they draw from an entire city and its surrounds.

That being said, the last 10 players to debut for Brisbane:
- Jordan Riki - Kiwi
- Tyson Gamble - from Brisbane but was first taken on by Tigers
- Isaac Luke - journeyman
- Cory Paix - Broncos junior
- Teis Niu - Broncos junior
- Ethan Bullemor - from Emerald, but brought in via Broncos
- Jamil Hopoate - from Sydney; sacked by both Parra and Manly as a junior
- Brodie Croft - purchased from Storm
- Jesse Arthars - purchased from Titans
- Izaia Perese - rugby union junior who has gone back to union, now in France

In the next set of players #11-20: includes Rhys Kennedy from Souths, Herbie Farnworth from UK, Sean O'Sullivan from Roosters, Xavier Coates from Gold Coast, Richie Kennar from Souths, Segeyaro from Sharks, Shaun Fensom from Cowboys

Even Tom Dearden is a product of Mackay and Gold Coast before being pinched by Broncos.

That's 15 of the last 20 players to debut for the Broncos who are not direct juniors from the Brisbane system.

That's all true. The Broncos have my admiration because they've backed youth. We have the same opportunities to identify and sign Qld players even if they are played in the Qld comp until brought down.

 

[gallagher]

Our chairman: Pascoe was only checking his welfare....

Reality: our recruitment manger AND the player's agent there....

The Chairman acts as though we are all fools. Extremely tired of his antics already.

And why does he feel compelled to comment on player negotiations? LM and JAC he ran to the press and ended up looking like a fool.

Lee was quite in the media once and was shown to be 100% correct. Also how many times during this protracted time did you read “why doesn’t the club come out and tell us what is going on?” Well our chairman came out ONCE and simply said JAC signed a HoA and if he isn’t at Melbourne he will be at the Tigers. He was 100% correct. I think that is pretty professional tbh. We also don’t know the reasons behind it. It’s possible that Souffs and Bulldogs were sniffing around and that was Tigers method of telling them to back off. Probable IMO.


Tigers fans...*”Why won’t the club tell us what is going on?”*

Also Tigers fans....*”why is the chairman in the media telling us what is going on?”*

Funny isn't it those who demand to know what's going on until it turns out to be not what they want to hear.

To be fair I never imagined just buying the same old garbage type of player was a possible answer.
I'll stop asking

 

[Telltails]

Our chairman: Pascoe was only checking his welfare....

Reality: our recruitment manger AND the player's agent there....

The Chairman acts as though we are all fools. Extremely tired of his antics already.

And why does he feel compelled to comment on player negotiations? LM and JAC he ran to the press and ended up looking like a fool.

Lee was quite in the media once and was shown to be 100% correct. Also how many times during this protracted time did you read “why doesn’t the club come out and tell us what is going on?” Well our chairman came out ONCE and simply said JAC signed a HoA and if he isn’t at Melbourne he will be at the Tigers. He was 100% correct. I think that is pretty professional tbh. We also don’t know the reasons behind it. It’s possible that Souffs and Bulldogs were sniffing around and that was Tigers method of telling them to back off. Probable IMO.


Tigers fans...*”Why won’t the club tell us what is going on?”*

Also Tigers fans....*”why is the chairman in the media telling us what is going on?”*

Funny isn't it those who demand to know what's going on until it turns out to be not what they want to hear.

To be fair I never imagined just buying the same old garbage type of player was a possible answer.
I'll stop asking

Can't please all the people all the time Gallagher. Seems to be an even split in response to Roberts - plenty with you.

 

[turkeytiger03]

No way should he be signed !!!
We need to have some quiet meetings on getting a new CEO though!!

 

[gallagher]

Our chairman: Pascoe was only checking his welfare....

Reality: our recruitment manger AND the player's agent there....

The Chairman acts as though we are all fools. Extremely tired of his antics already.

And why does he feel compelled to comment on player negotiations? LM and JAC he ran to the press and ended up looking like a fool.

Lee was quite in the media once and was shown to be 100% correct. Also how many times during this protracted time did you read “why doesn’t the club come out and tell us what is going on?” Well our chairman came out ONCE and simply said JAC signed a HoA and if he isn’t at Melbourne he will be at the Tigers. He was 100% correct. I think that is pretty professional tbh. We also don’t know the reasons behind it. It’s possible that Souffs and Bulldogs were sniffing around and that was Tigers method of telling them to back off. Probable IMO.


Tigers fans...*”Why won’t the club tell us what is going on?”*

Also Tigers fans....*”why is the chairman in the media telling us what is going on?”*

Funny isn't it those who demand to know what's going on until it turns out to be not what they want to hear.

To be fair I never imagined just buying the same old garbage type of player was a possible answer.
I'll stop asking

Can't please all the people all the time Gallagher. Seems to be an even split in response to Roberts - plenty with you.

Thats true, some dont even want test stars.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Some people seem to be recalling the former boom youngster and speed demon. These days he's a highly injury prone, mentally damaged addict loser that's been sacked from 3-4 clubs already. For disciplinary reasons.
He's not who he was, and we need to sign players based on who they will be not who they were.
I find it incredibly insulting that Pascoe even met with Roberts, if they talked about the possibility of him joining us.

I completely agree although i hope he does sort out his personal issues is not a player i would sign on any low coin, he has had many chances in the NRL, 4 clubs can't learn from his own mistakes.

Neither can we if we sign him or Mansour.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

No way should he be signed !!!
We need to have some quiet meetings on getting a new CEO though!!

Starting to agree on this point if we start signing players like Mansour as well, Recruitment we go for all the rejects.....
Getting over it quite frankly if we keep signing duds on long term deals.

 

[gallagher]

Some people seem to be recalling the former boom youngster and speed demon. These days he's a highly injury prone, mentally damaged addict loser that's been sacked from 3-4 clubs already. For disciplinary reasons.
He's not who he was, and we need to sign players based on who they will be not who they were.
I find it incredibly insulting that Pascoe even met with Roberts, if they talked about the possibility of him joining us.


I completely agree although i hope he does sort out his personal issues is not a player i would sign on any low coin, he has had many chances in the NRL, 4 clubs can't learn from his own mistakes.

Neither can we if we sign him or Mansour.

He'll stuff up some how and we'll end up sacking him. Then the usual happy clappers will come out with 'how would Pascoe have known that would happen?? Its a freaken mystery.

 

[twentyforty]

His $500k contract with Souths didn’t mean much, so I’m sure a $250k contract with WT will mean even less. How’s my math?

 

[cochise]

Some people seem to be recalling the former boom youngster and speed demon. These days he's a highly injury prone, mentally damaged addict loser that's been sacked from 3-4 clubs already. For disciplinary reasons.
He's not who he was, and we need to sign players based on who they will be not who they were.
I find it incredibly insulting that Pascoe even met with Roberts, if they talked about the possibility of him joining us.


I completely agree although i hope he does sort out his personal issues is not a player i would sign on any low coin, he has had many chances in the NRL, 4 clubs can't learn from his own mistakes.

Neither can we if we sign him or Mansour.

He'll stuff up some how and we'll end up sacking him. Then the usual happy clappers will come out with 'how would Pascoe have known that would happen?? Its a freaken mystery.

Who cares, we sack him we don't pay him.