Jimmy the jet??

[twentyforty]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

I get what you are saying, but there are only so many Lauries and Burtons on the market, and you need to fill a squad. The Jimmy the Jet rumour mentioned a figure of 130k or something like that. It's completely unrealistic to expect someone better than Jimmy the Jet on anything like that kind of money.
We have a lot of talented youth coming through, which is great, but you have to sprinkle that with a bit of experience (and you can do worse than Tamou and Mansour) otherwise you end up like this year's Broncos.

Mansour may be past his prime, but he's still by any measure an upgrade on Robert Jennings!

Is he an upgrade on Asu “AJ” Kepaoa?

Certainly not faster, not taller, not a better defender.

Perhaps not, but we will still have AJ. I favour giving AJ first crack, but Mansour is a handy option!

So you would pay Mansour to come here and play him in Reserve Grade until AJ "cooks his own goose."

Well no I wouldn't put it that way, but it's good to have options, and there's worse options than Mansour.

I expect AJ to kick on, but why not have an insurance policy who has played for NSW and Australia? (of course, not if it's too expensive and too long term). I thought Robert Jennings would be a star winger, but it didn't work out that way. I thought Taniela Tuiaki would be a winger for many more years, but it didn't work out. You need options, because things ALWAYS go wrong. If we can have AJ and Mansour on reasonable money, why not have both?

Because we only have 30 spots and at least 26 of those are filled, maybe 28 with Seyfarth and Laurie.

Think we need a couple of better players NOW to fill the 2 spots than back ups. Just my opinion Chief.

Fair enough, I get where you're coming from. I just don't see many better options available.

We’re a long way from the deadline Till.

 

[TigerWest]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

I get what you are saying, but there are only so many Lauries and Burtons on the market, and you need to fill a squad. The Jimmy the Jet rumour mentioned a figure of 130k or something like that. It's completely unrealistic to expect someone better than Jimmy the Jet on anything like that kind of money.
We have a lot of talented youth coming through, which is great, but you have to sprinkle that with a bit of experience (and you can do worse than Tamou and Mansour) otherwise you end up like this year's Broncos.

Mansour may be past his prime, but he's still by any measure an upgrade on Robert Jennings!


You can’t dovetail Mansour into a group including James Tamou. Tamou is a prop, captain of a gf team. He could prove the buy of the decade.

He could, but so could any new signing, I am happy to trust the process.

All the complaints to me just don't seem to reflect reality. The club to me is going after the right players. We just aren't getting the big fish like Latrell and JAC. We also don't seem to have any good signings coming up but I fail to see who we can get. Maybe we just have to see what happens next season when a lot more players are off contract.

It is my understanding from an article on here a while back, that Adam Hartigan has employed a player analysis team (or something to that effect) to look at players and assess there value, I assume that was why they didn't go more on JAC and the process has started.
Like the Moneyball movie🙂

 

[cochise]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

I get what you are saying, but there are only so many Lauries and Burtons on the market, and you need to fill a squad. The Jimmy the Jet rumour mentioned a figure of 130k or something like that. It's completely unrealistic to expect someone better than Jimmy the Jet on anything like that kind of money.
We have a lot of talented youth coming through, which is great, but you have to sprinkle that with a bit of experience (and you can do worse than Tamou and Mansour) otherwise you end up like this year's Broncos.

Mansour may be past his prime, but he's still by any measure an upgrade on Robert Jennings!


You can’t dovetail Mansour into a group including James Tamou. Tamou is a prop, captain of a gf team. He could prove the buy of the decade.

He could, but so could any new signing, I am happy to trust the process.

All the complaints to me just don't seem to reflect reality. The club to me is going after the right players. We just aren't getting the big fish like Latrell and JAC. We also don't seem to have any good signings coming up but I fail to see who we can get. Maybe we just have to see what happens next season when a lot more players are off contract.

It is my understanding from an article on here a while back, that Adam Hartigan has employed a player analysis team (or something to that effect) to look at players and assess there value, I assume that was why they didn't go more on JAC and the process has started.
Like the Moneyball movie🙂

We have employed Scoot Woodward, who was a Performance Analytics Consultant at the Storm, as our Recruitment & List Analyst who works with Adam Hartigan and provides him with data of pretty much every elite player in the country.

 

[Russell]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

I get what you are saying, but there are only so many Lauries and Burtons on the market, and you need to fill a squad. The Jimmy the Jet rumour mentioned a figure of 130k or something like that. It's completely unrealistic to expect someone better than Jimmy the Jet on anything like that kind of money.
We have a lot of talented youth coming through, which is great, but you have to sprinkle that with a bit of experience (and you can do worse than Tamou and Mansour) otherwise you end up like this year's Broncos.

Mansour may be past his prime, but he's still by any measure an upgrade on Robert Jennings!

Is he an upgrade on Asu “AJ” Kepaoa?

Certainly not faster, not taller, not a better defender.

Perhaps not, but we will still have AJ. I favour giving AJ first crack, but Mansour is a handy option!

So you would pay Mansour to come here and play him in Reserve Grade until AJ "cooks his own goose."

Well no I wouldn't put it that way, but it's good to have options, and there's worse options than Mansour.

I expect AJ to kick on, but why not have an insurance policy who has played for NSW and Australia? (of course, not if it's too expensive and too long term). I thought Robert Jennings would be a star winger, but it didn't work out that way. I thought Taniela Tuiaki would be a winger for many more years, but it didn't work out. You need options, because things ALWAYS go wrong. If we can have AJ and Mansour on reasonable money, why not have both?

Because we only have 30 spots and at least 26 of those are filled, maybe 28 with Seyfarth and Laurie.

Think we need a couple of better players NOW to fill the 2 spots than back ups. Just my opinion Chief.

Fair enough, I get where you're coming from. I just don't see many better options available.

Me either but we don't have to fill the whole 30 just yet, handy to have at least one spot available.

 

[twentyforty]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

I get what you are saying, but there are only so many Lauries and Burtons on the market, and you need to fill a squad. The Jimmy the Jet rumour mentioned a figure of 130k or something like that. It's completely unrealistic to expect someone better than Jimmy the Jet on anything like that kind of money.
We have a lot of talented youth coming through, which is great, but you have to sprinkle that with a bit of experience (and you can do worse than Tamou and Mansour) otherwise you end up like this year's Broncos.

Mansour may be past his prime, but he's still by any measure an upgrade on Robert Jennings!


You can’t dovetail Mansour into a group including James Tamou. Tamou is a prop, captain of a gf team. He could prove the buy of the decade.

He could, but so could any new signing, I am happy to trust the process.

Tamou brings what we lack. Oth Mansour? Probably be seen only as nepotism.

 

[twentyforty]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

I get what you are saying, but there are only so many Lauries and Burtons on the market, and you need to fill a squad. The Jimmy the Jet rumour mentioned a figure of 130k or something like that. It's completely unrealistic to expect someone better than Jimmy the Jet on anything like that kind of money.
We have a lot of talented youth coming through, which is great, but you have to sprinkle that with a bit of experience (and you can do worse than Tamou and Mansour) otherwise you end up like this year's Broncos.

Mansour may be past his prime, but he's still by any measure an upgrade on Robert Jennings!


You can’t dovetail Mansour into a group including James Tamou. Tamou is a prop, captain of a gf team. He could prove the buy of the decade.

He could, but so could any new signing, I am happy to trust the process.

All the complaints to me just don't seem to reflect reality. The club to me is going after the right players. We just aren't getting the big fish like Latrell and JAC. We also don't seem to have any good signings coming up but I fail to see who we can get. Maybe we just have to see what happens next season when a lot more players are off contract.

It is my understanding from an article on here a while back, that Adam Hartigan has employed a player analysis team (or something to that effect) to look at players and assess there value, I assume that was why they didn't go more on JAC and the process has started.
Like the Moneyball movie🙂

We have employed Scoot Woodward, who was a Performance Analytics Consultant at the Storm, as our Recruitment & List Analyst who works with Adam Hartigan and provides him with data of pretty much every elite player in the country.

That’s really good to know. There’s a lot of good things happening. I just hope we stay the course. The fans deserve to see the club win more games than it loses.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

Highly doubt it when he was 6 months away from the CEO role.
The way i see it has been here 5 plus years now and we have not gone forwards but backwards.
Brought his mate in Cleary how did that work out?
Team currently training out of de-mountables?
Can't attract any quality players to club.
Membership static or gone backwards.

States on a positive note that we made a profit the year prior however you can change things in the balance sheet to make it also look that way as a once off.

 

[gallagher]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


Highly doubt it when he was 6 months away from the CEO role.
The way i see it has been here 5 plus years now and we have not gone forwards but backwards.
Brought his mate in Cleary how did that work out?
Team currently training out of de-mountables?
Can't attract any quality players to club.
Membership static or gone backwards.

States on a positive note that we made a profit the year prior however you can change things in the balance sheet to make it also look that way as a once off.

Any drop in memberships or profit next year will be blamed on covid. There's always an excuse. We're stuck with him for a while yet.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


Highly doubt it when he was 6 months away from the CEO role.
The way i see it has been here 5 plus years now and we have not gone forwards but backwards.
Brought his mate in Cleary how did that work out?
Team currently training out of de-mountables?
Can't attract any quality players to club.
Membership static or gone backwards.

States on a positive note that we made a profit the year prior however you can change things in the balance sheet to make it also look that way as a once off.

Any drop in memberships or profit next year will be blamed on covid. There's always an excuse. We're stuck with him for a while yet.

Why are we stuck with him he should be on an annual contract that is reviewed at board level, measured against KPI's achieved?

 

[Tiger5150]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


Highly doubt it when he was 6 months away from the CEO role.
The way i see it has been here 5 plus years now and we have not gone forwards but backwards.
Brought his mate in Cleary how did that work out?
Team currently training out of de-mountables?
Can't attract any quality players to club.
Membership static or gone backwards.

States on a positive note that we made a profit the year prior however you can change things in the balance sheet to make it also look that way as a once off.

Any drop in memberships or profit next year will be blamed on covid. There's always an excuse. We're stuck with him for a while yet.

Why would you think that any drop in membership and profit could be blamed on a worldwide pandemic that physically stopped people attending games? What wild excuse!

Personally I think this whole COVID thing is a conspiracy that started in a Laboratory in Wuhan with Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and Pascoe in white lab jackets simply trying to cover up their own incompetence. If only both had put their evil genius into their day jobs.

 

[gallagher]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


Highly doubt it when he was 6 months away from the CEO role.
The way i see it has been here 5 plus years now and we have not gone forwards but backwards.
Brought his mate in Cleary how did that work out?
Team currently training out of de-mountables?
Can't attract any quality players to club.
Membership static or gone backwards.

States on a positive note that we made a profit the year prior however you can change things in the balance sheet to make it also look that way as a once off.

Any drop in memberships or profit next year will be blamed on covid. There's always an excuse. We're stuck with him for a while yet.


Why are we stuck with him he should be on an annual contract that is reviewed at board level, measured against KPI's achieved?

Because we're idiots.

 

[Tiger5150]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


Highly doubt it when he was 6 months away from the CEO role.
The way i see it has been here 5 plus years now and we have not gone forwards but backwards.
Brought his mate in Cleary how did that work out?
Team currently training out of de-mountables?
Can't attract any quality players to club.
Membership static or gone backwards.

States on a positive note that we made a profit the year prior however you can change things in the balance sheet to make it also look that way as a once off.

Any drop in memberships or profit next year will be blamed on covid. There's always an excuse. We're stuck with him for a while yet.


Why are we stuck with him he should be on an annual contract that is reviewed at board level, measured against KPI's achieved?

Uh huh. Great idea. One year contracts. Plenty of great candidates will be lining up to replace Pascoe on a one year contract in a wildly volatile market. I swear many here have zero idea of business.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

One more time.......PASCOE DOES NOT DECIDE WHO WE SIGN!!!!!!

Cleary was given Cart Blanche by the board - it is all on the Bus Drivers head.

Farah was an oversight, not trying to cheat the cap, Pascoe and the club paid the penalty. It was Greenturd getting at us as usual, didn't go after other clubs, just us. The club has decided to keep him on because he is want they want as a CEO.

So do I - blame him for all the things he is responsible for Mate, not for things he isn't.

The last bit made little sense - but u can read between the lines.
The way i read it is if he is meeting with Players (Roberts) he is one of 3 that have a say and has the final sign off.
Cleary signings i don't buy into that the CEO still signed off otherwise he is doing nil due diligence with our cap part of one of his KPI's,

 

[JC99]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

I get what you are saying, but there are only so many Lauries and Burtons on the market, and you need to fill a squad. The Jimmy the Jet rumour mentioned a figure of 130k or something like that. It's completely unrealistic to expect someone better than Jimmy the Jet on anything like that kind of money.
We have a lot of talented youth coming through, which is great, but you have to sprinkle that with a bit of experience (and you can do worse than Tamou and Mansour) otherwise you end up like this year's Broncos.

Mansour may be past his prime, but he's still by any measure an upgrade on Robert Jennings!


You can’t dovetail Mansour into a group including James Tamou. Tamou is a prop, captain of a gf team. He could prove the buy of the decade.

He could, but so could any new signing, I am happy to trust the process.

All the complaints to me just don't seem to reflect reality. The club to me is going after the right players. We just aren't getting the big fish like Latrell and JAC. We also don't seem to have any good signings coming up but I fail to see who we can get. Maybe we just have to see what happens next season when a lot more players are off contract.

It is my understanding from an article on here a while back, that Adam Hartigan has employed a player analysis team (or something to that effect) to look at players and assess there value, I assume that was why they didn't go more on JAC and the process has started.
Like the Moneyball movie🙂

We have employed Scoot Woodward, who was a Performance Analytics Consultant at the Storm, as our Recruitment & List Analyst who works with Adam Hartigan and provides him with data of pretty much every elite player in the country.

Isn’t Warren McDonnell still our head of recruitment? He’s rubbish. He was here and was rubbish went to dogs and was rubbish and now he’s back right?

 

[Tiger5150]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


Highly doubt it when he was 6 months away from the CEO role.
The way i see it has been here 5 plus years now and we have not gone forwards but backwards.
Brought his mate in Cleary how did that work out?
Team currently training out of de-mountables?
Can't attract any quality players to club.
Membership static or gone backwards.

States on a positive note that we made a profit the year prior however you can change things in the balance sheet to make it also look that way as a once off.

Any drop in memberships or profit next year will be blamed on covid. There's always an excuse. We're stuck with him for a while yet.


Why are we stuck with him he should be on an annual contract that is reviewed at board level, measured against KPI's achieved?

Because we're idiots.

What kind of CEO candidate do you think would put their hand up to replace Pascoe at the Tigers in the NRL market on a one year contract?

 

[BAGNF05]

This is where I think most fans are at, in that we want to know the ins and outs in addition to trusting the process.

**I think that this is completely delusional.** I don't want to know this and if we were told I think it'd be meaningless.

Sorry if my comment offended you but the key word in it was "most", so there's no need to be insulting.
Was only speaking out loud that most of us do want to know the more intricate details re:recruitment.


I agree with you 100% on that Lauren. I personally feel that the process of recruitment is more complex than it needs to be.
I would like to see a more streamlined process without the leaks to media, which are mostly opinion pieces.

We haven't leaked to the media in ages. I see recruitment as an extremely complex endeavour, how would you streamline recruitment?

Easy. There’s gotta be what, about 30 different players on the market that could improve the WT. we need to put a dollar value on each one and engage their manager with our interest.

From there you have maybe 8-10 that show any interest. Then it should be up to Madge to decide which ones we go after. In my opinion we should be offering about 25% more than other clubs due to our predicament/reputation.

Land none of them and we rely on the kids. Questions need to be asked why and changes need to be made.

Land 3-4 of them and we are back in the game.

Current strategy reeks of desperation and lack of planning.

This exactly what the club does. The current strategy is if not plan A, plan B. If not plan B then plan C on so on. If a player doesn’t want to come here on our terms then that’s fine, next.

I don’t think it reeks of desperation at all, in fact the exact opposite. We are not losing our heads and no longer paying ridiculous amounts In overs just to snare a player, which would then totally unbalance our cap.

Our recruitment has been deliberate and steady. It’s certainly not flashy any more which is fine by me.

Hopefully we jag someone before plan Z

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


Highly doubt it when he was 6 months away from the CEO role.
The way i see it has been here 5 plus years now and we have not gone forwards but backwards.
Brought his mate in Cleary how did that work out?
Team currently training out of de-mountables?
Can't attract any quality players to club.
Membership static or gone backwards.

States on a positive note that we made a profit the year prior however you can change things in the balance sheet to make it also look that way as a once off.

Any drop in memberships or profit next year will be blamed on covid. There's always an excuse. We're stuck with him for a while yet.


Why are we stuck with him he should be on an annual contract that is reviewed at board level, measured against KPI's achieved?

Uh huh. Great idea. One year contracts. Plenty of great candidates will be lining up to replace Pascoe on a one year contract in a wildly volatile market. I swear many here have zero idea of business.

Lol so you have a corporate position prior????

I had for 15 years running a national businesses where the KPI's based upon 2 board meetings a year were measured.
Annual review of salary and entitlements once a year.

Certainly made me perform and team working for myself had annual contracts.

Very frustrating to see someone at the Top of our organization perform so poorly yet not accountable.

 

[BAGNF05]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

One more time.......PASCOE DOES NOT DECIDE WHO WE SIGN!!!!!!

Cleary was given Cart Blanche by the board - it is all on the Bus Drivers head.

Farah was an oversight, not trying to cheat the cap, Pascoe and the club paid the penalty. It was Greenturd getting at us as usual, didn't go after other clubs, just us. The club has decided to keep him on because he is want they want as a CEO.

So do I - blame him for all the things he is responsible for Mate, not for things he isn't.


The last bit made little sense - but u can read between the lines.
The way i read it is if he is meeting with Players (Roberts) he is one of 3 that have a say and has the final sign off.
Cleary signings i don't buy into that the CEO still signed off otherwise he is doing nil due diligence with our cap part of one of his KPI's,

The role of CEO involves managing the entire Operation of the business including the football Department. Pascoe has overseen failure after failure after failure within the football Department and I for one won’t be supporting his involvement in the club going forward. I can only act by not going to games and spending my hard earned elsewhere until he is replaced.

I respect the opinions of his supporters but cannot see how you can be satisfied with his work.

 

[Tiger5150]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


Highly doubt it when he was 6 months away from the CEO role.
The way i see it has been here 5 plus years now and we have not gone forwards but backwards.
Brought his mate in Cleary how did that work out?
Team currently training out of de-mountables?
Can't attract any quality players to club.
Membership static or gone backwards.

States on a positive note that we made a profit the year prior however you can change things in the balance sheet to make it also look that way as a once off.

Any drop in memberships or profit next year will be blamed on covid. There's always an excuse. We're stuck with him for a while yet.


Why are we stuck with him he should be on an annual contract that is reviewed at board level, measured against KPI's achieved?

Uh huh. Great idea. One year contracts. Plenty of great candidates will be lining up to replace Pascoe on a one year contract in a wildly volatile market. I swear many here have zero idea of business.


Lol so you have a corporate position prior????

Plenty


I had for 15 years running a national businesses where the KPI's based upon 2 board meetings a year were measured.
Annual review of salary and entitlements once a year.

Certainly made me perform and team working for myself had annual contracts.

Very frustrating to see someone at the Top of our organization perform so poorly yet not accountable.

How many of the top CEOs are on 1year contracts?

 

[TigerTownSFS]

Does anyone know why these meetings are held in public and not at the club offices? Or even at the Bryson’s offices if the club facilities are not available?