Jimmy the jet??

[Curaeus]

Rothfield is just a hack with a real chip on his shoulder about our club. I've heard the story about our former Chair Marina Go having a go at the old fool but there has to be more to it than that with Marina gone for a while now from the Club. Seriously doubt JAC or his representatives would have told Rothfield that he didn't want to play for us when JAC had signed a HOA and said on a few occasions that he had no adverse issues with WT

 

[PJ_]

I dont know what is worse Jimmy the Joke or Mansour?Wait yes i do having both of them is much worse

Anasta is worse

 

[tbones10]

Rothfield is just a hack with a real chip on his shoulder about our club. I've heard the story about our former Chair Marina Go having a go at the old fool but there has to be more to it than that with Marina gone for a while now from the Club. Seriously doubt JAC or his representatives would have told Rothfield that he didn't want to play for us when JAC had signed a HOA and said on a few occasions that he had no adverse issues with WT

The telegraph has stood against the tigers since the Tim Sheens days, nothing can be done to stop it while Phil and his talentless hacks are still there. Good on Marina for calling him on it and his other hypocrocsyies, wish she was still here.
My suggestion lads is to enjoy the off season and don't buy the Tele, try the Australian, same owner but Brent Read is a much more reasoned and non biased source of information. Not as many articles designed to infuriate us and promote clickbait.

 

[Telltails]

It's all about generating interest. When we were going well we were media darlings. When we are not going well we are a basket case - both effective just create different reactions.

 

[cochise]

This is where I think most fans are at, in that we want to know the ins and outs in addition to trusting the process.

**I think that this is completely delusional.** I don't want to know this and if we were told I think it'd be meaningless.

Sorry if my comment offended you but the key word in it was "most", so there's no need to be insulting.
Was only speaking out loud that most of us do want to know the more intricate details re:recruitment.


I agree with you 100% on that Lauren. I personally feel that the process of recruitment is more complex than it needs to be.
I would like to see a more streamlined process without the leaks to media, which are mostly opinion pieces.

We haven't leaked to the media in ages. I see recruitment as an extremely complex endeavour, how would you streamline recruitment?

Easy. There’s gotta be what, about 30 different players on the market that could improve the WT. we need to put a dollar value on each one and engage their manager with our interest.

From there you have maybe 8-10 that show any interest. Then it should be up to Madge to decide which ones we go after. In my opinion we should be offering about 25% more than other clubs due to our predicament/reputation.

Land none of them and we rely on the kids. Questions need to be asked why and changes need to be made.

Land 3-4 of them and we are back in the game.

Current strategy reeks of desperation and lack of planning.

That is exactly what we do, the club knows what it wants in regards to players and is actively trying to entice those players to the club. Due to our last 10 years that is not working out with the established stars, so we need to build through the youth we are managing to attract.

Then we are stumbling at the self-awareness stage. What makes us so unattractive that people knock back a 25% pay increase? There must be lots of non-monetary things that we aren’t offering. Just an example but I’m sure Teddy can take his girlfriend to a nice restaurant and gets the A1 treatment, probably grabs a free cup of coffee at his favourite cafe. His mum’s real estate advice is probably taken care of.

This professionalism is (in my view) where we are well behind the pack.



What makes us unattractive is that we haven't played finals in a decade, that we have had 5 coaches in that time, that we knifed our 2 highest profile players, that we have been training in worse facilities than you would find at your local gym, literally below an unused grandstand that also housed our offices, players have been coming here to have their career killed when they chase that payrise you talk about.

It takes time to rectify that sort of wrap, but hey you want to create more instability, maybe that will fix it.

I agree the facilities are a problem but the club are taking steps to fix that, can’t really crucify anyone for that.

But the cycling through coaches and signing underperforming players, that’s on the decision makers 100%. Were not killing careers were signing blokes who’se career is already 6 ft under.

Ahem roberts ahem Mansour

Roberts at $130k is ok, I don't want Mansour either.

I'm not talking about the reality when I talk about killing careers, how do you think it looks to other players when we sign people to big contracts and then playing them in reserve grade. Who would want to come here after that.

Perception is reality.

How do you justify the Roberts deal? He’s been sacked for discipline numerous times. Clearly he had done something majorly wrong at Souths. Just walked away from half a mill no questions asked. And you think that will help with perception????

Mate, I don't judge people on something I made up in my head. It is not clear he has done something major wrong at Souths.

What I see with Roberts is someone who.has some major issues but they are issues his open and honest about, issues he does try to take on and resolve. I'm willing to give someone like that a chance.

 

[finnzo]

I don’t see the problem with it at all as it stands we have we have huge salary Cap problems our 3 highest payed players aren’t performing we need to find value els where if he does sign it will be on a sure deal and for next to no money where is the risk?? I’m sure his contract will be full of get out clauses in the clubs favour

 

[fibrodreaming]

There’s gotta be what, about 30 different players on the market that could improve the WT.

Is that true ? In your opinion perhaps. You know what this Forum is like. Whenever it is mentioned that we are talking to a player, half the forum complains that he is a nuffie or a plodder (see discussion about Mansour and Roberts).

I haven't seen the off-contract list for a while, but I got the impression that there were not too many that you would want to chase. The attractive targets are not available until 2022, and I expect our recruitment team are already talking to their managers now.

we need to put a dollar value on each one and engage their manager with our interest.

Do you think that this has not occurred to Adam Hartigan ? It sounds like Recruitment 101 to me.

 

[twentyforty]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

A Panther die hard described Mansour as a great club man, small for a winger, lost pace this year and prone to the odd brain fade. Also there is the view he feels the Club owes him. That is not the feeling shared by supporters who believe the loyalty has gone both ways.

 

[mike]

This is where I think most fans are at, in that we want to know the ins and outs in addition to trusting the process.

**I think that this is completely delusional.** I don't want to know this and if we were told I think it'd be meaningless.

Sorry if my comment offended you but the key word in it was "most", so there's no need to be insulting.
Was only speaking out loud that most of us do want to know the more intricate details re:recruitment.


I agree with you 100% on that Lauren. I personally feel that the process of recruitment is more complex than it needs to be.
I would like to see a more streamlined process without the leaks to media, which are mostly opinion pieces.

We haven't leaked to the media in ages. I see recruitment as an extremely complex endeavour, how would you streamline recruitment?

Easy. There’s gotta be what, about 30 different players on the market that could improve the WT. we need to put a dollar value on each one and engage their manager with our interest.

From there you have maybe 8-10 that show any interest. Then it should be up to Madge to decide which ones we go after. In my opinion we should be offering about 25% more than other clubs due to our predicament/reputation.

Land none of them and we rely on the kids. Questions need to be asked why and changes need to be made.

Land 3-4 of them and we are back in the game.

Current strategy reeks of desperation and lack of planning.

This exactly what the club does. The current strategy is if not plan A, plan B. If not plan B then plan C on so on. If a player doesn’t want to come here on our terms then that’s fine, next.

I don’t think it reeks of desperation at all, in fact the exact opposite. We are not losing our heads and no longer paying ridiculous amounts In overs just to snare a player, which would then totally unbalance our cap.

Our recruitment has been deliberate and steady. It’s certainly not flashy any more which is fine by me.

 

[twentyforty]

This is where I think most fans are at, in that we want to know the ins and outs in addition to trusting the process.

**I think that this is completely delusional.** I don't want to know this and if we were told I think it'd be meaningless.

Sorry if my comment offended you but the key word in it was "most", so there's no need to be insulting.
Was only speaking out loud that most of us do want to know the more intricate details re:recruitment.


I agree with you 100% on that Lauren. I personally feel that the process of recruitment is more complex than it needs to be.
I would like to see a more streamlined process without the leaks to media, which are mostly opinion pieces.

We haven't leaked to the media in ages. I see recruitment as an extremely complex endeavour, how would you streamline recruitment?

Easy. There’s gotta be what, about 30 different players on the market that could improve the WT. we need to put a dollar value on each one and engage their manager with our interest.

From there you have maybe 8-10 that show any interest. Then it should be up to Madge to decide which ones we go after. In my opinion we should be offering about 25% more than other clubs due to our predicament/reputation.

Land none of them and we rely on the kids. Questions need to be asked why and changes need to be made.

Land 3-4 of them and we are back in the game.

Current strategy reeks of desperation and lack of planning.

This exactly what the club does. The current strategy is if not plan A, plan B. If not plan B then plan C on so on. If a player doesn’t want to come here on our terms then that’s fine, next.

I don’t think it reeks of desperation at all, in fact the exact opposite. We are not losing our heads and no longer paying ridiculous amounts In overs just to snare a player, which would then totally unbalance our cap.

Our recruitment has been deliberate and steady. It’s certainly not flashy any more which is fine by me.

Define “deliberate and steady”? Mike it looks more reactionary to me, but I’m happy to be corrected.

 

[TonyTiger]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

I’m with you!
We don’t need Pascoe’s mate over here - 3 years, forget it! - 2 years, forget it! - 1 year, not keen but you can join the funeral procession out of here at the end of 2021.

 

[twentyforty]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

I’m with you!
We don’t need Pascoe’s mate over here - 3 years, forget it! - 2 years, forget it! - 1 year, not keen but you can join the funeral procession out of here at the end of 2021.

I just can’t imagine Madge being too comfortable with the thought of having Jimmy or Mansour in the squad.

 

[mike]

This is where I think most fans are at, in that we want to know the ins and outs in addition to trusting the process.

**I think that this is completely delusional.** I don't want to know this and if we were told I think it'd be meaningless.

Sorry if my comment offended you but the key word in it was "most", so there's no need to be insulting.
Was only speaking out loud that most of us do want to know the more intricate details re:recruitment.


I agree with you 100% on that Lauren. I personally feel that the process of recruitment is more complex than it needs to be.
I would like to see a more streamlined process without the leaks to media, which are mostly opinion pieces.

We haven't leaked to the media in ages. I see recruitment as an extremely complex endeavour, how would you streamline recruitment?

Easy. There’s gotta be what, about 30 different players on the market that could improve the WT. we need to put a dollar value on each one and engage their manager with our interest.

From there you have maybe 8-10 that show any interest. Then it should be up to Madge to decide which ones we go after. In my opinion we should be offering about 25% more than other clubs due to our predicament/reputation.

Land none of them and we rely on the kids. Questions need to be asked why and changes need to be made.

Land 3-4 of them and we are back in the game.

Current strategy reeks of desperation and lack of planning.

This exactly what the club does. The current strategy is if not plan A, plan B. If not plan B then plan C on so on. If a player doesn’t want to come here on our terms then that’s fine, next.

I don’t think it reeks of desperation at all, in fact the exact opposite. We are not losing our heads and no longer paying ridiculous amounts In overs just to snare a player, which would then totally unbalance our cap.

Our recruitment has been deliberate and steady. It’s certainly not flashy any more which is fine by me.


Define “deliberate and steady”? Mike it looks more reactionary to me, but I’m happy to be corrected.

Reactionary to what? Not signing player A, so we move to player B and or C. What would expect to happen? It’s a process. If player A doesn’t sign, you can use those funds for player B or C.

If player D becomes available and fits in better with your plans than player B or C, then you need to be agile enough to look at signing player D instead.

It seems we are agile enough and move to the player that better suits. That’s being smart.

We haven’t wasted what cap we have by paying overs for players and frankly that’s a relief.

The club isn’t being driven by the hype that has been generated in the media and panicked. It’s refreshing. The media can go shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.

 

[TillLindemann]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

I get what you are saying, but there are only so many Lauries and Burtons on the market, and you need to fill a squad. The Jimmy the Jet rumour mentioned a figure of 130k or something like that. It's completely unrealistic to expect someone better than Jimmy the Jet on anything like that kind of money.
We have a lot of talented youth coming through, which is great, but you have to sprinkle that with a bit of experience (and you can do worse than Tamou and Mansour) otherwise you end up like this year's Broncos.

Mansour may be past his prime, but he's still by any measure an upgrade on Robert Jennings!

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

I get what you are saying, but there are only so many Lauries and Burtons on the market, and you need to fill a squad. The Jimmy the Jet rumour mentioned a figure of 130k or something like that. It's completely unrealistic to expect someone better than Jimmy the Jet on anything like that kind of money.
We have a lot of talented youth coming through, which is great, but you have to sprinkle that with a bit of experience (and you can do worse than Tamou and Mansour) otherwise you end up like this year's Broncos.

Mansour may be past his prime, but he's still by any measure an upgrade on Robert Jennings!

I'd be happy to be like the Broncs. They will finish ahead of us next year. Their good young players have all been given a taste of the NRL and will know how hard they have to work in the off season.

 

[twentyforty]

This is where I think most fans are at, in that we want to know the ins and outs in addition to trusting the process.

**I think that this is completely delusional.** I don't want to know this and if we were told I think it'd be meaningless.

Sorry if my comment offended you but the key word in it was "most", so there's no need to be insulting.
Was only speaking out loud that most of us do want to know the more intricate details re:recruitment.


I agree with you 100% on that Lauren. I personally feel that the process of recruitment is more complex than it needs to be.
I would like to see a more streamlined process without the leaks to media, which are mostly opinion pieces.

We haven't leaked to the media in ages. I see recruitment as an extremely complex endeavour, how would you streamline recruitment?

Easy. There’s gotta be what, about 30 different players on the market that could improve the WT. we need to put a dollar value on each one and engage their manager with our interest.

From there you have maybe 8-10 that show any interest. Then it should be up to Madge to decide which ones we go after. In my opinion we should be offering about 25% more than other clubs due to our predicament/reputation.

Land none of them and we rely on the kids. Questions need to be asked why and changes need to be made.

Land 3-4 of them and we are back in the game.

Current strategy reeks of desperation and lack of planning.

This exactly what the club does. The current strategy is if not plan A, plan B. If not plan B then plan C on so on. If a player doesn’t want to come here on our terms then that’s fine, next.

I don’t think it reeks of desperation at all, in fact the exact opposite. We are not losing our heads and no longer paying ridiculous amounts In overs just to snare a player, which would then totally unbalance our cap.

Our recruitment has been deliberate and steady. It’s certainly not flashy any more which is fine by me.


Define “deliberate and steady”? Mike it looks more reactionary to me, but I’m happy to be corrected.

Reactionary to what? Not signing player A, so we move to player B and or C. What would expect to happen? It’s a process. If player A doesn’t sign, you can use those funds for player B or C.

If player D becomes available and fits in better with your plans than player B or C, then you need to be agile enough to look at signing player D instead.

It seems we are agile enough and move to the player that better suits. That’s being smart.

We haven’t wasted what cap we have by paying overs for players and frankly that’s a relief.

The club isn’t being driven by the hype that has been generated in the media and panicked. It’s refreshing. The media can go shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.

I’ll put it this way Mike..when the steering committee profiled players in their vision of the WT premiership winning team, were all these D players in that mix?

 

[cochise]

This is where I think most fans are at, in that we want to know the ins and outs in addition to trusting the process.

**I think that this is completely delusional.** I don't want to know this and if we were told I think it'd be meaningless.

Sorry if my comment offended you but the key word in it was "most", so there's no need to be insulting.
Was only speaking out loud that most of us do want to know the more intricate details re:recruitment.


I agree with you 100% on that Lauren. I personally feel that the process of recruitment is more complex than it needs to be.
I would like to see a more streamlined process without the leaks to media, which are mostly opinion pieces.

We haven't leaked to the media in ages. I see recruitment as an extremely complex endeavour, how would you streamline recruitment?

Easy. There’s gotta be what, about 30 different players on the market that could improve the WT. we need to put a dollar value on each one and engage their manager with our interest.

From there you have maybe 8-10 that show any interest. Then it should be up to Madge to decide which ones we go after. In my opinion we should be offering about 25% more than other clubs due to our predicament/reputation.

Land none of them and we rely on the kids. Questions need to be asked why and changes need to be made.

Land 3-4 of them and we are back in the game.

Current strategy reeks of desperation and lack of planning.

This exactly what the club does. The current strategy is if not plan A, plan B. If not plan B then plan C on so on. If a player doesn’t want to come here on our terms then that’s fine, next.

I don’t think it reeks of desperation at all, in fact the exact opposite. We are not losing our heads and no longer paying ridiculous amounts In overs just to snare a player, which would then totally unbalance our cap.

Our recruitment has been deliberate and steady. It’s certainly not flashy any more which is fine by me.


Define “deliberate and steady”? Mike it looks more reactionary to me, but I’m happy to be corrected.

I have often describe the clubs recruitment as reactionary, but I think that is starting to improve, our identification and targeting of the younger players we have signed has been outstanding, We targeted Tamou as fulfilling an area of need and signed him as well, even the attempt to sign JAC to cover a massive area of need. At the moment that strategy is not working as well with established stars but as we improve that will turn.

I can even argue the meeting with Roberts shows this as well because he does have traits we are in desperate need to fill. I would have more problems if we didn't meet with him to be honest and it must be remembered that a meeting doesn't mean we are interested, we may have decided he doesn't meet our requirememnts or wouldn't fit the culture we are trying to build, but we still should have had the meeting regardless.

 

[twentyforty]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

I get what you are saying, but there are only so many Lauries and Burtons on the market, and you need to fill a squad. The Jimmy the Jet rumour mentioned a figure of 130k or something like that. It's completely unrealistic to expect someone better than Jimmy the Jet on anything like that kind of money.
We have a lot of talented youth coming through, which is great, but you have to sprinkle that with a bit of experience (and you can do worse than Tamou and Mansour) otherwise you end up like this year's Broncos.

Mansour may be past his prime, but he's still by any measure an upgrade on Robert Jennings!

You can’t dovetail Mansour into a group including James Tamou. Tamou is a prop, captain of a gf team. He could prove the buy of the decade.

 

[cochise]

This is where I think most fans are at, in that we want to know the ins and outs in addition to trusting the process.

**I think that this is completely delusional.** I don't want to know this and if we were told I think it'd be meaningless.

Sorry if my comment offended you but the key word in it was "most", so there's no need to be insulting.
Was only speaking out loud that most of us do want to know the more intricate details re:recruitment.


I agree with you 100% on that Lauren. I personally feel that the process of recruitment is more complex than it needs to be.
I would like to see a more streamlined process without the leaks to media, which are mostly opinion pieces.

We haven't leaked to the media in ages. I see recruitment as an extremely complex endeavour, how would you streamline recruitment?

Easy. There’s gotta be what, about 30 different players on the market that could improve the WT. we need to put a dollar value on each one and engage their manager with our interest.

From there you have maybe 8-10 that show any interest. Then it should be up to Madge to decide which ones we go after. In my opinion we should be offering about 25% more than other clubs due to our predicament/reputation.

Land none of them and we rely on the kids. Questions need to be asked why and changes need to be made.

Land 3-4 of them and we are back in the game.

Current strategy reeks of desperation and lack of planning.

This exactly what the club does. The current strategy is if not plan A, plan B. If not plan B then plan C on so on. If a player doesn’t want to come here on our terms then that’s fine, next.

I don’t think it reeks of desperation at all, in fact the exact opposite. We are not losing our heads and no longer paying ridiculous amounts In overs just to snare a player, which would then totally unbalance our cap.

Our recruitment has been deliberate and steady. It’s certainly not flashy any more which is fine by me.


Define “deliberate and steady”? Mike it looks more reactionary to me, but I’m happy to be corrected.

Reactionary to what? Not signing player A, so we move to player B and or C. What would expect to happen? It’s a process. If player A doesn’t sign, you can use those funds for player B or C.

If player D becomes available and fits in better with your plans than player B or C, then you need to be agile enough to look at signing player D instead.

It seems we are agile enough and move to the player that better suits. That’s being smart.

We haven’t wasted what cap we have by paying overs for players and frankly that’s a relief.

The club isn’t being driven by the hype that has been generated in the media and panicked. It’s refreshing. The media can go shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.

I have always said we are reactionary because we sign players that have been released by other clubs, look at our signings last year, BJ, AD and LL were all released by their clubs and we picked up very late. It is very difficult to say these were planned, targeted signings, especially BJ and AD, they were reactions to what other clubs did and didn't necessarily meet our needs.

As I have said above, I believe that is starting to improve but hasn't transitioned to working with established players yet.