Jimmy the jet??

[twentyforty]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

My point exactly. Why is the strategic plan top secret? Why isn’t a redacted form made public to members.
Just a few points?
Have we competed for premierships? Yes we have, but how can we gauge the success of goals if we don’t know what they are? I put it to you that we don’t know because nobody has the courage to put their kahoulies on the line.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Our chairman: Pascoe was only checking his welfare....

Reality: our recruitment manger AND the player's agent there....

The Chairman acts as though we are all fools. Extremely tired of his antics already.

And why does he feel compelled to comment on player negotiations? LM and JAC he ran to the press and ended up looking like a fool.

Lee was quite in the media once and was shown to be 100% correct. Also how many times during this protracted time did you read “why doesn’t the club come out and tell us what is going on?” Well our chairman came out ONCE and simply said JAC signed a HoA and if he isn’t at Melbourne he will be at the Tigers. He was 100% correct. I think that is pretty professional tbh. We also don’t know the reasons behind it. It’s possible that Souffs and Bulldogs were sniffing around and that was Tigers method of telling them to back off. Probable IMO.


Tigers fans...*”Why won’t the club tell us what is going on?”*

Also Tigers fans....*”why is the chairman in the media telling us what is going on?”*


The chairman came out day one and said we will make the 8 and nothing else was acceptable...despite literally everyone with some football knowledge knowing we were in cap hell and did not have the squad. Why not be sensible and say this thing will take a couple of years, but we will see it through?

All it did was set up more talk of failure.

He basically guaranteed LM, when it was not going to ever really happen. So, again, it looked like we failed.

And why even comment on Jimmy The Jet? Social media reacted negatively, so he jumped in and said 'nothing to do with a contract, just checking his welfare'....how will he look now if we do end up signing Roberts?

He looks a lot to me like someone who just likes to see his firm mentioned in the media as often as possible. Same with his involvement with NSW.

And I get that...he gets tons of media mention for Bryden's, well above what advertising would cost. It is a smart business move. But there is no need to comment on things like player negotiations.

Not until you get a couple right, anyway. Being perpetually wrong does no one any good.

You do the best one can. At least we are having a go and ARE moving forward as a club and an organisation.
If you can’t accept that reality and prefer to take pot shots whenever you can .... well that’s you .... but definitely not me.

 

[twentyforty]

Our chairman: Pascoe was only checking his welfare....

Reality: our recruitment manger AND the player's agent there....

The Chairman acts as though we are all fools. Extremely tired of his antics already.

And why does he feel compelled to comment on player negotiations? LM and JAC he ran to the press and ended up looking like a fool.

Lee was quite in the media once and was shown to be 100% correct. Also how many times during this protracted time did you read “why doesn’t the club come out and tell us what is going on?” Well our chairman came out ONCE and simply said JAC signed a HoA and if he isn’t at Melbourne he will be at the Tigers. He was 100% correct. I think that is pretty professional tbh. We also don’t know the reasons behind it. It’s possible that Souffs and Bulldogs were sniffing around and that was Tigers method of telling them to back off. Probable IMO.


Tigers fans...*”Why won’t the club tell us what is going on?”*

Also Tigers fans....*”why is the chairman in the media telling us what is going on?”*


The chairman came out day one and said we will make the 8 and nothing else was acceptable...despite literally everyone with some football knowledge knowing we were in cap hell and did not have the squad. Why not be sensible and say this thing will take a couple of years, but we will see it through?

All it did was set up more talk of failure.

He basically guaranteed LM, when it was not going to ever really happen. So, again, it looked like we failed.

And why even comment on Jimmy The Jet? Social media reacted negatively, so he jumped in and said 'nothing to do with a contract, just checking his welfare'....how will he look now if we do end up signing Roberts?

He looks a lot to me like someone who just likes to see his firm mentioned in the media as often as possible. Same with his involvement with NSW.

And I get that...he gets tons of media mention for Bryden's, well above what advertising would cost. It is a smart business move. But there is no need to comment on things like player negotiations.

Not until you get a couple right, anyway. Being perpetually wrong does no one any good.

You do the best one can. At least we are having a go and ARE moving forward as a club and an organisation.
If you can’t accept that reality and prefer to take pot shots whenever you can .... well that’s you .... but definitely not me.

There’s no need for personal attacks mono. We all want the same thing. That is for WT to compete strongly for premierships every season.
We are confused by the constant changes in direction and just want answers.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

. Or we can sign wingers for 800k to play fullback , when they will be playing wing in 10 games because they’re not a fullback . This is why we didn’t pay him 800k . Because you don’t pay wingers 800k.

It's a good argument and I can see your point of view but JAC at 800k is a much better option that some of the players we have on our books currently. We do need to manage the cap and I think the club has been going for the right players so far. We've just missed out on the top quality signings that have been available the past couple of years.

We have to take some calculated risks such as going hard for guys like Stefano and Blore and Laurie. JAC and Mitchell were also calculated risks.

I don’t think he’s worth 800k . Sorry . He outran Sami because Of early kicks on the wing . I said this earlier , there was an opportunity early in that game , where he returned the ball, got on the outside of his opposite number , and had the chance for a 3 on 2. He had the ball tucked into his chest . That was enough for me . To move him to fullback you’re robbing Peter to pay Paul , and I don’t think his fullback play would be better than what we currently have . His winger play , of course , he’s the best in the world . So now you’re paying 800k for a winger , and an inferior fullback .
So what happens if we miss out on an actual fullback because we have 309k locked into a winger more than is neccesary?
It’s history repeating where , no matter now well he plays he will never ever be worth the money he is on . Which is ? the Mbye and packer problem . No matter how well either of those 2 play , they will never be worth the amount of money wasted on them ,because they’re so over paid .

That’s the thing here as a representative winger he is worth $500k maybe $600k if you’re really generous .... any more and you’re just waisting your money.

As a potential fullback he is worth no more or less unless he demonstrates that that’s his position consistently and from that point the word is his oyster ..... but only then.

That’s the fair contract that we had on the table for JAC and that’s how it should remain.

 

[ElleryHanley]

Our chairman: Pascoe was only checking his welfare....

Reality: our recruitment manger AND the player's agent there....

The Chairman acts as though we are all fools. Extremely tired of his antics already.

And why does he feel compelled to comment on player negotiations? LM and JAC he ran to the press and ended up looking like a fool.

Lee was quite in the media once and was shown to be 100% correct. Also how many times during this protracted time did you read “why doesn’t the club come out and tell us what is going on?” Well our chairman came out ONCE and simply said JAC signed a HoA and if he isn’t at Melbourne he will be at the Tigers. He was 100% correct. I think that is pretty professional tbh. We also don’t know the reasons behind it. It’s possible that Souffs and Bulldogs were sniffing around and that was Tigers method of telling them to back off. Probable IMO.


Tigers fans...*”Why won’t the club tell us what is going on?”*

Also Tigers fans....*”why is the chairman in the media telling us what is going on?”*


The chairman came out day one and said we will make the 8 and nothing else was acceptable...despite literally everyone with some football knowledge knowing we were in cap hell and did not have the squad. Why not be sensible and say this thing will take a couple of years, but we will see it through?

All it did was set up more talk of failure.

He basically guaranteed LM, when it was not going to ever really happen. So, again, it looked like we failed.

And why even comment on Jimmy The Jet? Social media reacted negatively, so he jumped in and said 'nothing to do with a contract, just checking his welfare'....how will he look now if we do end up signing Roberts?

He looks a lot to me like someone who just likes to see his firm mentioned in the media as often as possible. Same with his involvement with NSW.

And I get that...he gets tons of media mention for Bryden's, well above what advertising would cost. It is a smart business move. But there is no need to comment on things like player negotiations.

Not until you get a couple right, anyway. Being perpetually wrong does no one any good.

You do the best one can. At least we are having a go and ARE moving forward as a club and an organisation.
If you can’t accept that reality and prefer to take pot shots whenever you can .... well that’s you .... but definitely not me.

Well, good for you....if mindlessly nodding at every move is your thing, then that is great.

I suggest you look up the meaning of 'pot shot' also....

This is a forum, debate and opinions are what fuel a forum....

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Our chairman: Pascoe was only checking his welfare....

Reality: our recruitment manger AND the player's agent there....

The Chairman acts as though we are all fools. Extremely tired of his antics already.

And why does he feel compelled to comment on player negotiations? LM and JAC he ran to the press and ended up looking like a fool.

Lee was quite in the media once and was shown to be 100% correct. Also how many times during this protracted time did you read “why doesn’t the club come out and tell us what is going on?” Well our chairman came out ONCE and simply said JAC signed a HoA and if he isn’t at Melbourne he will be at the Tigers. He was 100% correct. I think that is pretty professional tbh. We also don’t know the reasons behind it. It’s possible that Souffs and Bulldogs were sniffing around and that was Tigers method of telling them to back off. Probable IMO.


Tigers fans...*”Why won’t the club tell us what is going on?”*

Also Tigers fans....*”why is the chairman in the media telling us what is going on?”*


The chairman came out day one and said we will make the 8 and nothing else was acceptable...despite literally everyone with some football knowledge knowing we were in cap hell and did not have the squad. Why not be sensible and say this thing will take a couple of years, but we will see it through?

All it did was set up more talk of failure.

He basically guaranteed LM, when it was not going to ever really happen. So, again, it looked like we failed.

And why even comment on Jimmy The Jet? Social media reacted negatively, so he jumped in and said 'nothing to do with a contract, just checking his welfare'....how will he look now if we do end up signing Roberts?

He looks a lot to me like someone who just likes to see his firm mentioned in the media as often as possible. Same with his involvement with NSW.

And I get that...he gets tons of media mention for Bryden's, well above what advertising would cost. It is a smart business move. But there is no need to comment on things like player negotiations.

Not until you get a couple right, anyway. Being perpetually wrong does no one any good.

You do the best one can. At least we are having a go and ARE moving forward as a club and an organisation.
If you can’t accept that reality and prefer to take pot shots whenever you can .... well that’s you .... but definitely not me.

There’s no need for personal attacks mono. We all want the same thing. That is for WT to compete strongly for premierships every season.
We are confused by the constant changes in direction and just want answers.

Not on this forum for personal attacks .... I’m just stating facts and my view. If people take that the wrong way ... well my apologies.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Our chairman: Pascoe was only checking his welfare....

Reality: our recruitment manger AND the player's agent there....

The Chairman acts as though we are all fools. Extremely tired of his antics already.

And why does he feel compelled to comment on player negotiations? LM and JAC he ran to the press and ended up looking like a fool.

Lee was quite in the media once and was shown to be 100% correct. Also how many times during this protracted time did you read “why doesn’t the club come out and tell us what is going on?” Well our chairman came out ONCE and simply said JAC signed a HoA and if he isn’t at Melbourne he will be at the Tigers. He was 100% correct. I think that is pretty professional tbh. We also don’t know the reasons behind it. It’s possible that Souffs and Bulldogs were sniffing around and that was Tigers method of telling them to back off. Probable IMO.


Tigers fans...*”Why won’t the club tell us what is going on?”*

Also Tigers fans....*”why is the chairman in the media telling us what is going on?”*


The chairman came out day one and said we will make the 8 and nothing else was acceptable...despite literally everyone with some football knowledge knowing we were in cap hell and did not have the squad. Why not be sensible and say this thing will take a couple of years, but we will see it through?

All it did was set up more talk of failure.

He basically guaranteed LM, when it was not going to ever really happen. So, again, it looked like we failed.

And why even comment on Jimmy The Jet? Social media reacted negatively, so he jumped in and said 'nothing to do with a contract, just checking his welfare'....how will he look now if we do end up signing Roberts?

He looks a lot to me like someone who just likes to see his firm mentioned in the media as often as possible. Same with his involvement with NSW.

And I get that...he gets tons of media mention for Bryden's, well above what advertising would cost. It is a smart business move. But there is no need to comment on things like player negotiations.

Not until you get a couple right, anyway. Being perpetually wrong does no one any good.

You do the best one can. At least we are having a go and ARE moving forward as a club and an organisation.
If you can’t accept that reality and prefer to take pot shots whenever you can .... well that’s you .... but definitely not me.

It happens in waves on here . The “I hate Pascoe”crew , come in and spend 24 hrs bagging him over something that may or may not be even remotely his wheel house.
For example kicking the tyres on the starting origin centre from 2 years ago, who’s 26 . That’s apparently bad business because the guy came from a messed up childhood , and has some coping issues ., and may or may not be able to find a path through it. But don’t have a look at him , he’s over the hill because the club that allows burgess to do the things that he’s done recently , would totally be the best place for a young man who already has trouble keeping his crap together .
Recent players with similar problems , carney , Fergo , Julian O’Neil , Dugan . All guys who found their way out the other side for short periods. Some went back in “carney” , others managed to get their act together .

 

[tiga4eva]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

If they were
* Being CEO of a Club that hasn’t finished in the top half of a 16 team Comp for the entirety of your tenure
*Being suspended for 6 months because you bungled a deal with a player
*That error hampering our Cap by over $600k over 2 seasons

Then he’s nailed it

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Well as far as the Club considering the Jet and Mansour .... lots of people were questioning whether signing the Morris twins by the Roosters was a good idea .... both in twilight of their careers, injuries prone and not fast .... and that turns out well. Low cost and great outcome.
So you just have to be lucky.

 

[tiga4eva]

Well as far as the Club considering the Jet and Mansour .... lots of people were questioning whether signing the Morris twins by the Roosters was a good idea .... both in twilight of their careers, injuries prone and not fast .... and that turns out well. Low cost and great outcome.
So you just have to be lucky.

Well as far as the Club considering the Jet and Mansour .... lots of people were questioning whether signing the Morris twins by the Roosters was a good idea .... both in twilight of their careers, injuries prone and not fast .... and that turns out well. Low cost and great outcome.
So you just have to be lucky.

The Morris twins joined Back to back Premiers and are in a star studded team, if we signed them to our roster, they wouldn’t have excelled

 

[avocadoontoast]

Well as far as the Club considering the Jet and Mansour .... lots of people were questioning whether signing the Morris twins by the Roosters was a good idea .... both in twilight of their careers, injuries prone and not fast .... and that turns out well. Low cost and great outcome.
So you just have to be lucky.

A lot easier to have success in a great system where you’re surrounded by top players. I doubt the Morris twins would have had looked as good at WT surrounded by plodders and nuffies. Mansour looked ordinary in a team that won 17 straight.

 

[twentyforty]

This forum has managed to sway my mind multiple times re:Mansour and Roberts but it's now starting to become more of a sinking feeling.
Ofcourse nothing's guaranteed but can't help but have the strong suspicion we're repeating a very negative habit.
Frankly I see the appeal with both but don't enjoy the knock-on effect from poor decision making from management - who are supposed to be the pinnacle or top of our leadership.
It's done nothing but impact our productivity and left us vulnerable on all levels (from recruitment to onfield).

I agree somewhat. I can’t seem to get a line on the recruitment strategy? My logic may be way off mark, but I would have thought we would start with a vision of what a premiership team looks like. Then a profile of each member of the team. Followed by a search and sign mission. Now some of those players may be under our noses but fewer of them will be tried players rejected by their clubs.

 

[gallagher]

Well as far as the Club considering the Jet and Mansour .... lots of people were questioning whether signing the Morris twins by the Roosters was a good idea .... both in twilight of their careers, injuries prone and not fast .... and that turns out well. Low cost and great outcome.
So you just have to be lucky.

I suppose the likes of the storm and the chooks are just lucky.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Well as far as the Club considering the Jet and Mansour .... lots of people were questioning whether signing the Morris twins by the Roosters was a good idea .... both in twilight of their careers, injuries prone and not fast .... and that turns out well. Low cost and great outcome.
So you just have to be lucky.

No luck about it. The Morris twins were always good footballers, big, fast, great finishers a d defenders.

Trying to make comparisons between the Morris twins and the other two is flawed. The Jet and Mansour were never in the same class as the Morris twins.

 

[ElleryHanley]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


If they were
* Being CEO of a Club that hasn’t finished in the top half of a 16 team Comp for the entirety of your tenure
*Being suspended for 6 months because you bungled a deal with a player
*That error hampering our Cap by over $600k over 2 seasons

Then he’s nailed it

He has 'achieved' all that and more. You left out he gave total power to his mate to sign up all his manager's clients on huge deals, rat on us and leave us with years of cap hell.

People rush to defend him though, and that is fine.

My only question to them is would Pascoe, with his record, have kept his job for so long at another club?
Would another club be fine with the way he presents himself? Would another club have accepted the self inflicted errors and the long term pandering to a bunch of largely unsuccessful senior players?

I would venture to say the answer would be 'no'.

 

[gallagher]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


If they were
* Being CEO of a Club that hasn’t finished in the top half of a 16 team Comp for the entirety of your tenure
*Being suspended for 6 months because you bungled a deal with a player
*That error hampering our Cap by over $600k over 2 seasons

Then he’s nailed it

Only a politician could survive that performance

 

[gallagher]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


If they were
* Being CEO of a Club that hasn’t finished in the top half of a 16 team Comp for the entirety of your tenure
*Being suspended for 6 months because you bungled a deal with a player
*That error hampering our Cap by over $600k over 2 seasons

Then he’s nailed it


He has 'achieved' all that and more. You left out he gave total power to his mate to sign up all his manager's clients on huge deals, rat on us and leave us with years of cap hell.

People rush to defend him though, and that is fine.

My only question to them is would Pascoe, with his record, have kept his job for so long at another club?
Would another club be fine with the way he presents himself? Would another club have accepted the self inflicted errors and the long term pandering to a bunch of largely unsuccessful senior players?

I would venture to say the answer would be 'no'.

Maybe saints

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


If they were
* Being CEO of a Club that hasn’t finished in the top half of a 16 team Comp for the entirety of your tenure
*Being suspended for 6 months because you bungled a deal with a player
*That error hampering our Cap by over $600k over 2 seasons

Then he’s nailed it


He has 'achieved' all that and more. You left out he gave total power to his mate to sign up all his manager's clients on huge deals, rat on us and leave us with years of cap hell.

People rush to defend him though, and that is fine.

My only question to them is would Pascoe, with his record, have kept his job for so long at another club?
Would another club be fine with the way he presents himself? Would another club have accepted the self inflicted errors and the long term pandering to a bunch of largely unsuccessful senior players?

I would venture to say the answer would be 'no'.

Maybe saints

Lol I was thinking the exact same club!

 

[earl]

Our chairman: Pascoe was only checking his welfare....

Reality: our recruitment manger AND the player's agent there....

The Chairman acts as though we are all fools. Extremely tired of his antics already.

And why does he feel compelled to comment on player negotiations? LM and JAC he ran to the press and ended up looking like a fool.

Lee was quite in the media once and was shown to be 100% correct. Also how many times during this protracted time did you read “why doesn’t the club come out and tell us what is going on?” Well our chairman came out ONCE and simply said JAC signed a HoA and if he isn’t at Melbourne he will be at the Tigers. He was 100% correct. I think that is pretty professional tbh. We also don’t know the reasons behind it. It’s possible that Souffs and Bulldogs were sniffing around and that was Tigers method of telling them to back off. Probable IMO.


Tigers fans...*”Why won’t the club tell us what is going on?”*

Also Tigers fans....*”why is the chairman in the media telling us what is going on?”*


The chairman came out day one and said we will make the 8 and nothing else was acceptable...despite literally everyone with some football knowledge knowing we were in cap hell and did not have the squad. Why not be sensible and say this thing will take a couple of years, but we will see it through?

All it did was set up more talk of failure.

He basically guaranteed LM, when it was not going to ever really happen. So, again, it looked like we failed.

And why even comment on Jimmy The Jet? Social media reacted negatively, so he jumped in and said 'nothing to do with a contract, just checking his welfare'....how will he look now if we do end up signing Roberts?

He looks a lot to me like someone who just likes to see his firm mentioned in the media as often as possible. Same with his involvement with NSW.

And I get that...he gets tons of media mention for Bryden's, well above what advertising would cost. It is a smart business move. But there is no need to comment on things like player negotiations.

Not until you get a couple right, anyway. Being perpetually wrong does no one any good.

You do the best one can. At least we are having a go and ARE moving forward as a club and an organisation.
If you can’t accept that reality and prefer to take pot shots whenever you can .... well that’s you .... but definitely not me.

This is the way I see it. I hope we get a lot better than Mansour and Roberts but it all depends on the contract price and balance of the squad.

 

[Telltails]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


If they were
* Being CEO of a Club that hasn’t finished in the top half of a 16 team Comp for the entirety of your tenure
*Being suspended for 6 months because you bungled a deal with a player
*That error hampering our Cap by over $600k over 2 seasons

Then he’s nailed it


He has 'achieved' all that and more. You left out he gave total power to his mate to sign up all his manager's clients on huge deals, rat on us and leave us with years of cap hell.

People rush to defend him though, and that is fine.

My only question to them is would Pascoe, with his record, have kept his job for so long at another club?
Would another club be fine with the way he presents himself? Would another club have accepted the self inflicted errors and the long term pandering to a bunch of largely unsuccessful senior players?

I would venture to say the answer would be 'no'.

Ivan Cleary was hired with credentials of being more than just a mate - current coach of the year. Laying blame on Pascoe for Cleary's actions when he was our coach just stinks of having an axe to grind.