fact is we were winning until madden dropped the ball in our in goal. last week we lost cause, Laurie dropped a ball. GC hadn’t scored until that moment neither.
OFFICIAL Jock Madden #244
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twentyforty
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Two plays by two rookies. I’m sure if we look at turning points in our games, the story will be the same.
The higher the proportion of rookies in the team, the more recurrence of those fundamental errors which put us under pressure. This highlights our lack of success with recruitment and retention. Since Sheens returned there have been some positive signs, but I don’t think the board realised the extent of ongoing damage they inflicted on us, by thinking they could do all that themselves.
GNR4LIFE
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A few more changes are required than a change of spine.
I cant blame that try being scored on Madden,its the way the game goes,however,if Brooks doesnt get penalised for a lazy head high tackle and march the Titans up field to capitalise on that opportunity,then we win the game....10 year veteran compared to a1st year FG Nrl player....
cut it however you want blame whoever you want. Fact is madden drops the ball titans score. He holds possibly different outcome. Brooks doesn’t make the tackle/effort they possibly run the length of the field and score. It is all what ifs but what is fact is madden dropped the ball and they scored.
Red88_Tiger
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What ever happen with jock I hope he plays a year at 14 before being thrown in the deep end like brooks was. Melbourne do really well in blooding halves and I think it’s the main reason they are able to consistently be strong in the halves
earl
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You are right but it's the biggest area that needs fixing. Our forwards and backs are serviceable.
Imagine swapping Melbourne's, Souths, Penrith's Cronulla's spine with ours. Is there a worse spine in the comp than ours ?
I think sadley he wont be given that chance. He or O'Sullivan will be a Dolphin next year
Shooter Mcgavin
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Yeah would be keen to see halves of Hastings and Madden until AD gets back and AD pushing madden to the bench when he gets some match time under his belt.
Thompson for Brooks swap I’d be down for.
Flanagan for Brooks swap I’d say no deal.
InBenjiWeTrust
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Reminds me on that finals game vs NZ when the only thing Moltzen needed to do to was keep his hand on the opposition player…
jirskyr
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I don't know, I just don't see it.
What I see in Jock Madden is epitomised by that 79th-minute error, where he does really try hard and looks to be in the right places at the right time, but lacks killer instinct and has almost zero threat in attack.
If we comparing him to Luke Brooks, that's a very low bar to set. Madden should be clearly pushing himself in to replace Brooks, because Brooks has had 150 lives and nobody will shed a tear if he's dropped, but Madden has not offered anything superior, with his only defence being he is some 145 games junior.
Madden doesn't straighten the play, I've yet to really see a passing game and his tactical kicking really isn't any better than Brooks.
Maybe if you keep him in long enough he'll become a half-decent tough halfback who can kick and tackle, but I can't yet see how he will ever win you a match, or create fear in the opposition. He would need a pretty high-level 5/8th to do the creating for him.
What I see in Jock Madden is epitomised by that 79th-minute error, where he does really try hard and looks to be in the right places at the right time, but lacks killer instinct and has almost zero threat in attack.
If we comparing him to Luke Brooks, that's a very low bar to set. Madden should be clearly pushing himself in to replace Brooks, because Brooks has had 150 lives and nobody will shed a tear if he's dropped, but Madden has not offered anything superior, with his only defence being he is some 145 games junior.
Madden doesn't straighten the play, I've yet to really see a passing game and his tactical kicking really isn't any better than Brooks.
Maybe if you keep him in long enough he'll become a half-decent tough halfback who can kick and tackle, but I can't yet see how he will ever win you a match, or create fear in the opposition. He would need a pretty high-level 5/8th to do the creating for him.
GNR4LIFE
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That right there is the root of why there is hype for Madden. He’s done a few good things, but like Laurie last year, anything good he does is being made out like we’re witnessing a prodigy.
had a good passing game, directed the forwards around well, demanded the ball, has a FAR better last tackle kick than brooks lollipop dabs. For a bloke that apparently didn't shine in reserves I think he's done pretty well and is good value for money at the moment. Lacks spark yeah, but hopefully whoever is playing in the halves alongside him will provide that. I think in time with experience this guy can be a very effective organising half that our team desperately needs and has lacked with brooks (seen by his inability to close out the melbourne game for example). Tough break on him last weekend but i really hope he is kept in the starting side.
not so much hype, but support for a young player coming through.
king_sirro
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I must be watching a different game. Jock has straightened our attack a number of times that's comparable to how Adam Reynolds does it. He hasn't done it enough, and needs to implement that more, however he has done it a number of times. As far as being no threat, his running game looks much sharper then anticipated. Steps off both feet, and is quick off the mark. He looked likely a few times taking the line on.
So I guess I disagree a fair bit.
I think the young fella has potential and is doing a job for us while Hastings is out. i haven’t seen anything to suggest that he will be picked over brooks when Hastings returns however what have we got to lose.
I reckon with the lack of games last year and the chance of playing in FG this year,under Madges coaching he is improving every week,slowly but surely his skills and ability are starting to come through.....at least one thing is for sure he is an honest worker who always trys his best....
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