Josh Aloiai #190

@Swordy said in [Aloiai](/post/1272954) said:
@Sully said in [Aloiai](/post/1272950) said:
@Swordy said in [Aloiai](/post/1272453) said:
@Sully said in [Aloiai](/post/1272448) said:
@Gazlord95 said in [Aloiai](/post/1272442) said:
@Russell said in [Aloiai](/post/1272382) said:
@Spud_Murphy said in [Aloiai](/post/1272372) said:
@tiger_one said in [Aloiai](/post/1272354) said:
@Spud_Murphy said in [Aloiai](/post/1272342) said:
@Spartan117 said in [Aloiai](/post/1271199) said:
No more releasing talk Please Mr Wests Tigers

Did the Eels release Stefano ??

or the Panthers releasing Laurie??

If Josh A wants to go, he is free to do so after season 2021

Yeah I’m a bit peeved we’re just gonna roll over yet again and let Aloiai walk if we sign Joe O. His acquisition has nothing to do with Aloiai. He should not be released unless Manly cough up someone else or some form of compensation, though honestly I’d rather Aloiai be made to stay and see out his contract. We need to start getting tougher with the tantrum throwing wantaways. Other teams manage to do it and so should we. It’s about respect.


Maybe the delay in everything is all to do with the "compensation."

I’d like to think that would be the case, but it looks like our CEO has virtually stated that Ofahengaue’s signing will allow the club to release Aloiai to Manly - a very soft stance now from the man who less than a week ago touted that he’d have Aloiai mowing the lawns at Concord rather than release him a year early.

It was the Chairman who talked about mowing lawns, not the CEO.

Pretty sure POM said something like "we won't get a player swap but we are going to get compensated in another way by Manly" - I'm taking this as monetary compensation - how much, who knows?


Pom also said JAC and Macintyre were done deals.

Not trying to disrespect the bloke, but things do swivel around at any point ?‍♂️

They were done as far as deals. One had a HOA awaiting a release which did not happen and McIntyre had a deal but then the incompetent management team failed to get the thing signed off

Incompetent management team? As pauline would say, Please explain? With facts.

It was mentioned they left a contract that had been agreed to terms unsigned by Sam for 2 weeks as they focussed on JAC as he was more a priority. That is incompetent. As it played out we lost both however I don’t blame them for JAC.

It might have been 'mentioned', but I believe the facts are different. There are many possibilities.

I believe McIntyre was expendable and so they left wiggle room for $$ for JAC at the expense of McIntyre. In the interim, JAC has not come and McIntrye has signed somewhere else. I wish him well. My opinion and that of others is that he isnt that good. Some have the opinion he IS that good. Thats just the way it is. If they truly wanted McIntyre, he would be signed.

Its not incompetent management at all.

I think the issue is that the contract was 'supposedly left in the cupboard for 2 weeks and they forgot'. I dont believe that for one second.

So your belief is fact...

Let’s agree to disagree
 
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273053) said:
We have the leverage here. Manly are desperate for forwards. If they want him, it’s got to cost them something. Otherwise he stays in Ron Massey Cup.

Yeah, but we are in a hole ourselves, we lose a first grade forward with him in reserve’s and will be lacking depth for the team.
 
@BAGNF05 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273055) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273053) said:
We have the leverage here. Manly are desperate for forwards. If they want him, it’s got to cost them something. Otherwise he stays in Ron Massey Cup.

Won’t happen we are snowflakes

If it doesn’t then we (the fans) have every right to be furious. I take Cochise’s point, that long term we need to pressure the NRL to tighten the rules to prevent further occurrences. But, in the short term we have to get something out of Manly.
I’m also at a loss as to why the media aren’t talking about the fact he’s been induced to try to break his contract, just like it wasn’t mentioned with the previous players that have pulled this rubbish. There are currently rules around inducement to break contract, yet it barely rates a mention.
 
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273053) said:
We have the leverage here. Manly are desperate for forwards. If they want him, it’s got to cost them something. Otherwise he stays in Ron Massey Cup.

Why ? Just play him. JAC is playing for Melbourne next season even though he is leaving. Why does it matter ?
 
@TigerWest said in [Aloiai](/post/1273062) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273053) said:
We have the leverage here. Manly are desperate for forwards. If they want him, it’s got to cost them something. Otherwise he stays in Ron Massey Cup.

Yeah, but we are in a hole ourselves, we lose a first grade forward with him in reserve’s and will be lacking depth for the team.

Another full of it wests tigers player/member, makes you question why you bother.
 
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273064) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273055) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273053) said:
We have the leverage here. Manly are desperate for forwards. If they want him, it’s got to cost them something. Otherwise he stays in Ron Massey Cup.

Won’t happen we are snowflakes

If it doesn’t then we (the fans) have every right to be furious. I take Cochise’s point, that long term we need to pressure the NRL to tighten the rules to prevent further occurrences. But, in the short term we have to get something out of Manly.
I’m also at a loss as to why the media aren’t talking about the fact he’s been induced to try to break his contract, just like it wasn’t mentioned with the previous players that have pulled this rubbish. There are currently rules around inducement to break contract, yet it barely rates a mention.

The only issue I have with that is it damages us on field next year just to prove a point. I do understand why people want him to stay, I just don't think it is in our best interests.
 
@cochise said in [Aloiai](/post/1273079) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273064) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273055) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273053) said:
We have the leverage here. Manly are desperate for forwards. If they want him, it’s got to cost them something. Otherwise he stays in Ron Massey Cup.

Won’t happen we are snowflakes

If it doesn’t then we (the fans) have every right to be furious. I take Cochise’s point, that long term we need to pressure the NRL to tighten the rules to prevent further occurrences. But, in the short term we have to get something out of Manly.
I’m also at a loss as to why the media aren’t talking about the fact he’s been induced to try to break his contract, just like it wasn’t mentioned with the previous players that have pulled this rubbish. There are currently rules around inducement to break contract, yet it barely rates a mention.

The only issue I have with that is it damages us on field next year just to prove a point. I do understand why people want him to stay, I just don't think it is in our best interests.

It's just the ease that we let him leave. All talk no walk as usual.
 
@hsvjones said in [Aloiai](/post/1273056) said:
Ask yourself 1 question.....
Is JA a better player than JO ?
To me NO and he wants / will be leaving anyway. I applaud the club for looking outside the box and getting JO as clearly there was not a player swap we wanted from Manly out of the players that would of actually wanted to come here.. No point swapping for a player we don't want or need..
(also Broncos are paying some of the freight and the 3rd year is a Club option)
This way we get a better replacement plus cash from them and its a win win..
We really don't want to hang onto JA just to prove a point and have him hear bringing down molale aka. M Moses... For me this is a very very smart move and the club will word this release of JA in our favour.. Yes and i understand we don't want to look like a club giving in but if there is no player to swap with you deal with it..



Agree I believe that if we didn't have 1.5 mil of deadwood floating in reserve grade, the outcome would be an entirely different story
 
@gallagher said in [Aloiai](/post/1273091) said:
@cochise said in [Aloiai](/post/1273079) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273064) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273055) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273053) said:
We have the leverage here. Manly are desperate for forwards. If they want him, it’s got to cost them something. Otherwise he stays in Ron Massey Cup.

Won’t happen we are snowflakes

If it doesn’t then we (the fans) have every right to be furious. I take Cochise’s point, that long term we need to pressure the NRL to tighten the rules to prevent further occurrences. But, in the short term we have to get something out of Manly.
I’m also at a loss as to why the media aren’t talking about the fact he’s been induced to try to break his contract, just like it wasn’t mentioned with the previous players that have pulled this rubbish. There are currently rules around inducement to break contract, yet it barely rates a mention.

The only issue I have with that is it damages us on field next year just to prove a point. I do understand why people want him to stay, I just don't think it is in our best interests.

It's just the ease that we let him leave. All talk no walk as usual.

Yeah, Lee should’ve known Manky better but he won’t make the same mistake again. Very, very disappointed that we didn’t try and write into the release a contractual obligation for Alicia to be forced to sit out any/every time he should be scheduled to play us in future, at least for 3 yrs. See how useful his tactics are then...
 
The problem is no so much they letting him go for no compo player wise , it’s the fact that two years running the club have talked tough in the media about players wanting out then just let them go .
Storm talked tough and they didn’t deviate .
Other clubs let them go and don’t say threats in media about mowing lawns . This is why magement looks weak and pushovers
 
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273064) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273055) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273053) said:
We have the leverage here. Manly are desperate for forwards. If they want him, it’s got to cost them something. Otherwise he stays in Ron Massey Cup.

Won’t happen we are snowflakes

If it doesn’t then we (the fans) have every right to be furious. I take Cochise’s point, that long term we need to pressure the NRL to tighten the rules to prevent further occurrences. But, in the short term we have to get something out of Manly.
I’m also at a loss as to why the media aren’t talking about the fact he’s been induced to try to break his contract, just like it wasn’t mentioned with the previous players that have pulled this rubbish. There are currently rules around inducement to break contract, yet it barely rates a mention.

I keep going back to Jai Arrow last year South's were desperate to get him and the Titans wouldn't budge. I support the club on most things but I don't see any benefit to us in Manly getting him now. Beyond disappointed in this decision. If you are going to talk the talk
 
@Telltails said in [Aloiai](/post/1273105) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273064) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273055) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273053) said:
We have the leverage here. Manly are desperate for forwards. If they want him, it’s got to cost them something. Otherwise he stays in Ron Massey Cup.

Won’t happen we are snowflakes

If it doesn’t then we (the fans) have every right to be furious. I take Cochise’s point, that long term we need to pressure the NRL to tighten the rules to prevent further occurrences. But, in the short term we have to get something out of Manly.
I’m also at a loss as to why the media aren’t talking about the fact he’s been induced to try to break his contract, just like it wasn’t mentioned with the previous players that have pulled this rubbish. There are currently rules around inducement to break contract, yet it barely rates a mention.

I keep going back to Jai Arrow last year South's were desperate to get him and the Titans wouldn't budge. I support the club on most things but I don't see any benefit to us in Manly getting him now. Beyond disappointed in this decision. If you are going to talk the talk

But was Jai Arrow making a complete goose of himself in the news, saying he’d never wear the jumper and basically damaging the club?
 
@TieDye said in [Aloiai](/post/1273099) said:
@gallagher said in [Aloiai](/post/1273091) said:
@cochise said in [Aloiai](/post/1273079) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273064) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273055) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273053) said:
We have the leverage here. Manly are desperate for forwards. If they want him, it’s got to cost them something. Otherwise he stays in Ron Massey Cup.

Won’t happen we are snowflakes

If it doesn’t then we (the fans) have every right to be furious. I take Cochise’s point, that long term we need to pressure the NRL to tighten the rules to prevent further occurrences. But, in the short term we have to get something out of Manly.
I’m also at a loss as to why the media aren’t talking about the fact he’s been induced to try to break his contract, just like it wasn’t mentioned with the previous players that have pulled this rubbish. There are currently rules around inducement to break contract, yet it barely rates a mention.

The only issue I have with that is it damages us on field next year just to prove a point. I do understand why people want him to stay, I just don't think it is in our best interests.

It's just the ease that we let him leave. All talk no walk as usual.

Yeah, Lee should’ve known Manky better but he won’t make the same mistake again. Very, very disappointed that we didn’t try and write into the release a contractual obligation for Alicia to be forced to sit out any/every time he should be scheduled to play us in future, at least for 3 yrs. See how useful his tactics are then...

Why would we do that?
Getting rid of an inconsistent upstart is a no brainer.
This feigning by management that he is worth so much more is genius.
 
It’s going to come to a crescendo in the next day or two I think. November 30 seemed to be the day it needed to be sorted by.
 
@bigsiro said in [Aloiai](/post/1273107) said:
@TieDye said in [Aloiai](/post/1273099) said:
@gallagher said in [Aloiai](/post/1273091) said:
@cochise said in [Aloiai](/post/1273079) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273064) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273055) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273053) said:
We have the leverage here. Manly are desperate for forwards. If they want him, it’s got to cost them something. Otherwise he stays in Ron Massey Cup.

Won’t happen we are snowflakes

If it doesn’t then we (the fans) have every right to be furious. I take Cochise’s point, that long term we need to pressure the NRL to tighten the rules to prevent further occurrences. But, in the short term we have to get something out of Manly.
I’m also at a loss as to why the media aren’t talking about the fact he’s been induced to try to break his contract, just like it wasn’t mentioned with the previous players that have pulled this rubbish. There are currently rules around inducement to break contract, yet it barely rates a mention.

The only issue I have with that is it damages us on field next year just to prove a point. I do understand why people want him to stay, I just don't think it is in our best interests.

It's just the ease that we let him leave. All talk no walk as usual.

Yeah, Lee should’ve known Manky better but he won’t make the same mistake again. Very, very disappointed that we didn’t try and write into the release a contractual obligation for Alicia to be forced to sit out any/every time he should be scheduled to play us in future, at least for 3 yrs. See how useful his tactics are then...

Why would we do that?
Getting rid of an inconsistent upstart is a no brainer.
This feigning by management that he is worth so much more is genius.


That’s a very good point, looking at things more objectively
 
@TigerWest said in [Aloiai](/post/1273106) said:
@Telltails said in [Aloiai](/post/1273105) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273064) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273055) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273053) said:
We have the leverage here. Manly are desperate for forwards. If they want him, it’s got to cost them something. Otherwise he stays in Ron Massey Cup.

Won’t happen we are snowflakes

If it doesn’t then we (the fans) have every right to be furious. I take Cochise’s point, that long term we need to pressure the NRL to tighten the rules to prevent further occurrences. But, in the short term we have to get something out of Manly.
I’m also at a loss as to why the media aren’t talking about the fact he’s been induced to try to break his contract, just like it wasn’t mentioned with the previous players that have pulled this rubbish. There are currently rules around inducement to break contract, yet it barely rates a mention.

I keep going back to Jai Arrow last year South's were desperate to get him and the Titans wouldn't budge. I support the club on most things but I don't see any benefit to us in Manly getting him now. Beyond disappointed in this decision. If you are going to talk the talk

But was Jai Arrow making a complete goose of himself in the news, saying he’d never wear the jumper and basically damaging the club?

JA made a goose of himself and I dont think anyone saw it as anymore than a stunt to get out of a contract. I think we look far more vulnerable as an organisation by letting him get away with it.
 
@Telltails said in [Aloiai](/post/1273105) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273064) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273055) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273053) said:
We have the leverage here. Manly are desperate for forwards. If they want him, it’s got to cost them something. Otherwise he stays in Ron Massey Cup.

Won’t happen we are snowflakes

If it doesn’t then we (the fans) have every right to be furious. I take Cochise’s point, that long term we need to pressure the NRL to tighten the rules to prevent further occurrences. But, in the short term we have to get something out of Manly.
I’m also at a loss as to why the media aren’t talking about the fact he’s been induced to try to break his contract, just like it wasn’t mentioned with the previous players that have pulled this rubbish. There are currently rules around inducement to break contract, yet it barely rates a mention.

I keep going back to Jai Arrow last year South's were desperate to get him and the Titans wouldn't budge. I support the club on most things but I don't see any benefit to us in Manly getting him now. Beyond disappointed in this decision. If you are going to talk the talk


I agree 200% but think of it this way, it gives an opportunity to the likes of Steff>>> Kei, etc which I for one cant wait to see these kids in action. If it was me I wouldn't let him go until he formally apologized in front of the playing group and then put him on the ferry to the North Shore
 
It was clearly untenable for him to remain. We end up paying him good money to either sit in reserves or kick stones and warm the bench. Neither makes us look professional.

We have to make the most of the situation and get whatever we can to resolve the situation - the last thing we need is a 'bad apple' spoiling the bunch at a forced training session.

I suspect we've negotiated something to our advantage but it may never be revealed publicly. Hopefully we at least make a decent media release so we come out looking like a professional organisation whilst JA wears the stigma of cry-baby.
 
@Earl said in [Aloiai](/post/1273070) said:
@BalmainJnr said in [Aloiai](/post/1273053) said:
We have the leverage here. Manly are desperate for forwards. If they want him, it’s got to cost them something. Otherwise he stays in Ron Massey Cup.

Why ? Just play him. JAC is playing for Melbourne next season even though he is leaving. Why does it matter ?

I would have kept him and let him play if it weren’t for the comments about never pulling on the jersey again. I never saw anything from JAC denigrating his current employer.
It matters because this is a reoccurring theme for us and at a certain point we have to draw a line in the sand, not with standing Lee’s public comments about not releasing him without it being to our benefit.
 
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