Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement
Slightly unprofessional
Now your just being picky happy ?
Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down
Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did
It was a club option not like it's a new contract
**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key
Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?
Sitaleki ...ring a bell
I gotta admit, I’ve never heard of him or can’t remember at least, I’ll have to look him up. But hopefully he’s not the only one you are basing your comments on?
Matterson ,Moses ,Anasta where do you want me to stop
Players believe players .......
Don't stop, keep going, name absolutely everyone who you know or believe to know didn't like the way they were treated at Tigers.
Then list all the players who have signed or, even better, re-signed with the the club in the same period. Then compare the numbers in each column.
So you don't believe we haven't spent a heap of time and money trying to change our perception in the market place with our mental health and indigeneous approach for a reason ...
Well I wouldn't assume to know how much time or money we've spent, and whether or not there is an attempt to change a given perception.
But let's say you are right, and it's "a heap" of both time and money. That doesn't necessarily reflect a player-level reputation. It may be an attempt by the club to gain an edge, to differentiate ourselves from the other clubs. It may be an attempt to go from mid-pack to leader in the field. It may be the development of a program that we previously simply didn't have.
Just because you invest time and money in something doesn't mean you were deficient in that program. I would imagine Storm, for example, continue to invest as much time in scouting and junior recruitment as any other club, but it may reasonably be argued that they have already been proven to be one of the best in the field, so it is not an indicator of any specific deficit.
Your indigenous pathways example is actually very apt, but not for your argument. You are suggesting Tigers started this initiative because, what, we weren't perceived amongst the playing group as an ideal indigenous player destination? Where did Tigers rank, of 16, in the "indigenous ideal destination" polling amongst players?
Or is the indigenous pathway initiative by Tigers simply (a) an attempt to gain an edge over other clubs, (b) part of our broader mandate to develop and achieve excellence in our community programs, (c) a reflection of the fact we happen to have more indigenous players in our roster in 2021?
I'm still waiting - the list, please, of players known or suggested to have left Tigers because of issues with their welfare, versus the list of players who re-signed with the club despite exactly the same welfare conditions. And then subtract, from the players who are reported to have played the "welfare card", those players that went to another club for equal or less money, because logically if there is such an issue with welfare then salary isn't a primary motive.
As I have said it is perceived
And when I add the fact that only one player the club has brought in has re-signed Aloiai ..who then left anyway ..says enough
You're way off Happy. One player, and that's your argument. Or little bitches that everyone in the league crucified for acting so poorly. That's the proof? Nah.
A one off with a fringe player who got dropped. I'm sure you'll find that happen at practically every club.
In any case we've beefed up our support staff now to have one of the largest teams to look after player welfare. The COE will help too. Anything that was an issue 8 years ago is gone now.
Read again BB ...I have given 5 without looking at the playing list
And add to that ...I don't see WT's players coming out and defending the allegations that have been made
As I keep saying ...perception to many is reality ...add all the facts I've added with our big changes with the handling of mental health and indigenous in the last 18 months ...we obviously thought it was an issue ..or were concerned with the perception of players in the NRL
Or we could just bury our heads like many do ...the WT's have no issues and it is all the press , the NRL , other clubs getting a helping hand ,referees ,rule changes etc
No, to everything you wrote. Discussing with you appears pointless, you only reiterate your original comment over and over. You don't address any counter-arguments made.
You have no knowledge or evidence of how Tigers are "perceived" by the general playing group. That can't be asserted, you have no evidence, no quotes, nothing on record as evidence of any perception of a group of players.
You suggest lack of Tigers player commentary about a topic is evidence of that topic being true. So if I make a claim there are live dinosaurs in the carpark at Tigers HQ, if the players don't come out and say it isn't true, that means there are indeed dinosaurs in the carpark at Tigers HQ?
That's not to mention that actually, on record, quite a number of players have made public statements about both being OK with the club and OK with the coach.
You reckon you can name 5 players left due to perceived mistreatment, which is in itself debatable, I easily named more than 5 the last few years who re-signed with Tigers, not even including our own re-signed juniors, and you don't care to explain how or why those players re-signed.
You reckon development of a program is evidence of some deficit in the program. So any team that develops or promotes a mental health program, or disability program, or indigenous program, or partner/family support program, has failed prior to the program existing? Every club with a formalised mental health program was never previously considering player mental health?
Tell me, did Matterson and Sitaleki and Aloiai, your example players, were they claiming a lack of indigenous program as a reason for leaving Tigers, none of them actually being indigenous Australians? Was Aloiai claiming mental health, Matterson claiming it? If I'm not mistaken Matterson claimed physical fitness as a reason, so did Tigers make big changes to our physical wellness program in response?
Complete madness. A few sooks and you side with the sooks. No club is perfect, but a few bad eggs isn't evidence of an organisation-wide issue.
For God's sake Kyle Flanagan was crying on TV the other week, is this to say now Roosters and Bulldogs must not adequately consider the health and wellbeing of their players?
