Koro v Richards

[fergiefurr]

This myth that Koro is a poor defender. If someone wants to show me some stats that melbournes left wing conceded more tries than our left, than I'll agree. Until than its just Pats groupies clutching at straws.

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[Eddie]

Dear oh Dear,

This thread is the lowest of the low. Richards was ordinary and slow this year and Koro was great fo the most part.

These people keep coming up with stats saying how great we are, our coaches and players. I must have watched a different game this year.

Koro ran for 1000 more metres in 2 less games.

 

[innsaneink]

This myth that Koro is a poor defender. If someone wants to show me some stats that melbournes left wing conceded more tries than our left, than I'll agree. Until than its just Pats groupies clutching at straws.

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Conceding tries and missed tackles arent mutually exclusive

Koroiebete games = 21…missed tackles 23
Richards games = 23.....missed tackles 12

Now Im not saying Richards was better than koro...koro has probably more assets than richards, he is one big mean bundle of flying muscle...but with a defensive structure and unit as melbourne have, compared to ours...in a game where defense especially out wide is highly reliant on team work, id say Richards wins here

 

[Tigerdave]

why is this even a thread? seriously, different coach, different board made this decision didn't they?

 

[Russell]

That is incorrect - he caused 4 tries to be scored against his team against us. That was only one game.

It is also not the number of missed tackles that is his problem it is the missed reads in play. As he has left his wing and ends up being left in the middle of nowhere it is not counted as a missed tackle. That is why stats need to be read with caution.

No one is disputing his ability to score tries or make ground with the ball. The problem is when he doesn't have it.

Once again it is worth mentioning - HE DID NOT WANT TO STAY. (Did you want the club to chain him to the goal posts).

Are there Koro rose coloured glasses for sale somewhere?
Seems like a lot of Forumers have bought them.

Absolute waste of a thread.

 

[pacman]

That is incorrect - he caused 4 tries to be scored against his team against us. That was only one game.

It is also not the number of missed tackles that is his problem it is the missed reads in play. As he has left his wing and ends up being left in the middle of nowhere it is not counted as a missed tackle. That is why stats need to be read with caution.

No one is disputing his ability to score tries or make ground with the ball. The problem is when he doesn't have it.

Once again it is worth mentioning - HE DID NOT WANT TO STAY. (Did you want the club to chain him to the goal posts).

Are there Koro rose coloured glasses for sale somewhere?
Seems like a lot of Forumers have bought them.

Absolute waste of a thread.

Yeah he didn't want to waste his talents consistently scoring hat tricks in NSW Cup after being told to perform there in order to be picked for first grade. He performed consistently very well and was still not picked. I'd want to leave too if I were him.

He was lied to. I'm sure if they had kept their word and picked him for first grade after scoring something ridiculous like 15 tries in 8 games of NSW Cup, he wouldn't have 'not [wanted] to stay'.

 

[NT_Tiger]

"Geo. wrote:
Talking Points - NRL Season 2015
Wests Tigers among leading try-scorers
With Pat Richards and James Tedesco notching up 17 tries each, Wests Tigers were the only Club to have two players in the Top 10 try-scorers for the year.
Richards and Tedesco finished in third place behind Semi Radradra (24) and Curtis Rona (22).
Brooks and Richards number-up
While on statistics – both Luke Brooks and Pat Richards were among the best players in the competition in try-assists and line-breaks respectively.
Adding three line-breaks to his tally on Saturday night, Richards finished the season in fourth-place with 20\. Radradra (25), Rona (22) and Alex Johnston (21) finished in front of the veteran winger….........
.............
Don't see Koroibete's name there anywhere.

 

[magpiecol]

That is incorrect - he caused 4 tries to be scored against his team against us. That was only one game.

It is also not the number of missed tackles that is his problem it is the missed reads in play. As he has left his wing and ends up being left in the middle of nowhere it is not counted as a missed tackle. That is why stats need to be read with caution.

No one is disputing his ability to score tries or make ground with the ball. The problem is when he doesn't have it.

Once again it is worth mentioning - HE DID NOT WANT TO STAY. (Did you want the club to chain him to the goal posts).

Are there Koro rose coloured glasses for sale somewhere?
Seems like a lot of Forumers have bought them.

Absolute waste of a thread.

Yeah he didn't want to waste his talents consistently scoring hat tricks in NSW Cup after being told to perform there in order to be picked for first grade. He performed consistently very well and was still not picked. I'd want to leave too if I were him.

He was lied to. I'm sure if they had kept their word and picked him for first grade after scoring something ridiculous like 15 tries in 8 games of NSW Cup, he wouldn't have 'not [wanted] to stay'.

How do you know? You don't.

Move on.

Previous Admin. Previous Admin. Previous Admin.

Get it!!!!!

 

[Goose]

I really like Koro as a player and thought his poor defence was greatly exaggerated.

Calls that it was the worse decision ever to let him go, were massively over the top.

At the time he was let go, Richards was a seasoned pro being discusses as a bolter for origin, Sportsbet ran a market and he was about $1.85 to make the team. Noffa was on the other wing as a another promising junior making his mark. The decision was Noffa or Koro, at the time they went Noffa, I can live with that.

We have been bringing through a number of promising juniors, and you simply cant keep them all. So are going to move on. Koro is a good NRL player and will have a good NRL career, he wont turn out to be an immortal or anything, it would be nice to have him here, but it is not the end of the world.

 

[underdog]

Karwin could be anything.

 

[pacman]

Karwin could be anything.

No thanks. Too slow for a modern day winger.

 

[stevetiger]

That is incorrect - he caused 4 tries to be scored against his team against us. That was only one game.

It is also not the number of missed tackles that is his problem it is the missed reads in play. As he has left his wing and ends up being left in the middle of nowhere it is not counted as a missed tackle. That is why stats need to be read with caution.

No one is disputing his ability to score tries or make ground with the ball. The problem is when he doesn't have it.

Once again it is worth mentioning - HE DID NOT WANT TO STAY. (Did you want the club to chain him to the goal posts).

Are there Koro rose coloured glasses for sale somewhere?
Seems like a lot of Forumers have bought them.

Absolute waste of a thread.

Yeah he didn't want to waste his talents consistently scoring hat tricks in NSW Cup after being told to perform there in order to be picked for first grade. He performed consistently very well and was still not picked. I'd want to leave too if I were him.

He was lied to. I'm sure if they had kept their word and picked him for first grade after scoring something ridiculous like 15 tries in 8 games of NSW Cup, he wouldn't have 'not [wanted] to stay'.

It would've been easy to get him to stay. Play him in first grade if he was the best option. He was the best option so he should have been in first grade.

Why is it so hard to admit that Richards over Koro was a terrible decision.

 

[Nors05]

We are all forgetting about Richard's goal kicking. We got rid of Koro and kept Richards early 2014 when we were sitting nicely in the top 8\. Richards kicking was a huge factor in a lot of those games.

If Richards wasn't such a good goal kicker then we would have most likely kept Koro and developed him

 

[fergiefurr]

"Geo. wrote:
Talking Points - NRL Season 2015
Wests Tigers among leading try-scorers
With Pat Richards and James Tedesco notching up 17 tries each, Wests Tigers were the only Club to have two players in the Top 10 try-scorers for the year.
Richards and Tedesco finished in third place behind Semi Radradra (24) and Curtis Rona (22).
Brooks and Richards number-up
While on statistics – both Luke Brooks and Pat Richards were among the best players in the competition in try-assists and line-breaks respectively.
Adding three line-breaks to his tally on Saturday night, Richards finished the season in fourth-place with 20\. Radradra (25), Rona (22) and Alex Johnston (21) finished in front of the veteran winger….........
.............
Don't see Koroibete's name there anywhere.

Just looked at the named teams for this week.

Don't see Richards name there anywhere

 

[fergiefurr]

Why is it so hard to admit that Richards over Koro was a terrible decision.

Pats groupies remind of the stubborn old people who won't get a mobile phone. They know it's stupid but for years told everyone they don't need one and now don't want to admit they were wrong.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Ah, the wisdom of youth.

 

[Russell]

That is incorrect - he caused 4 tries to be scored against his team against us. That was only one game.

It is also not the number of missed tackles that is his problem it is the missed reads in play. As he has left his wing and ends up being left in the middle of nowhere it is not counted as a missed tackle. That is why stats need to be read with caution.

No one is disputing his ability to score tries or make ground with the ball. The problem is when he doesn't have it.

Once again it is worth mentioning - HE DID NOT WANT TO STAY. (Did you want the club to chain him to the goal posts).

Are there Koro rose coloured glasses for sale somewhere?
Seems like a lot of Forumers have bought them.

Absolute waste of a thread.

Yeah he didn't want to waste his talents consistently scoring hat tricks in NSW Cup after being told to perform there in order to be picked for first grade. He performed consistently very well and was still not picked. I'd want to leave too if I were him.

He was lied to. I'm sure if they had kept their word and picked him for first grade after scoring something ridiculous like 15 tries in 8 games of NSW Cup, he wouldn't have 'not [wanted] to stay'.

Let us get this straight Pacman - no one is disputing his ability to score tries.

15 tries in 8 games is excellent. How many did he let in with missed tackles and as I pointed out more importantly through missed reads causing other people to chalk up missed tackles?

I am sure Rowdy was glad to not have him around.

 

[Russell]

Personally Iwould rather play Lovett on the

Why is it so hard to admit that Richards over Koro was a terrible decision.

Pats groupies remind of the stubborn old people who won't get a mobile phone. They know it's stupid but for years told everyone they don't need one and now don't want to admit they were wrong.

Why is it Richards v Koro

They have both left us.

The horse has bolted Mate. How many years are we going to talk about this.

 

[balmain boy]

Karwin could be anything.

No thanks. Too slow for a modern day winger.

Yeah that Semi Radarara bloke is hopeless. No place for big wingers in today's game. No wait - you're wrong.

Not every winger has to be as fast as a Koro or Teddy. We need someone to compete against the likes of Radarara, Tupou, Nabuli etc. To easy to kick to our corners and let our midget wingers and centres drop the ball, literally.

Give the kid his first full professional off-season, let him work on sprints, technique etc and let's see, but he's already the best overall winger in the NYC. He's got the size and defence to be able to play NRL already. Those Cowboys wingers are too small, a la Mullaney, who can dominate at youth level with smaller opponents and no defence.

And he's a left winger. I'd have him as my replacement for Richards next year come Round 1.

 

[jirskyr]

This is an interesting thread, I just joined it.

Clearly Richards and Koro are very different wingers, with very different skillsets.

I did not watch all the Melbourne games this year, so I cannot give a detailed opinion of how Koro performed. A lot of it is based on highlight reels, and if you critique a player based on highlights, you are a fool.

What I can say in the single game we played the Storm, we exploited Koro's wing several times and bombed the bejesus out of him, to good effect. It reinforced the opinion I had from when Koro played with us, that he is a bit of a defensive liability. Ink showed the stats, some 100% extra missed tackles than someone like Richards, who himself already missed a fair few tackles and was at times defending outside battlers like Brooks, Milone and Hoeter.

In that same game Koro scored two great wingers' tries over Nofo, but I personally feel he came out 1-2 tries in the negative based on the mistakes he made.

Clearly Koro can score a long-distance or power try as much as any winger in the comp. This should have raised his try tally even higher - if Richards managed to "stroll" across for 17 tries, did Koro only score solo efforts? Are Melbourne unable to give their wingers gift tries?

Pat Richards has aging legs, he's left us now, this argument should be really quite dead after 2015 formally concludes.

Good luck to Koro in the finals.