Lack of leadership is why we don't have a good culture

[batboy]

He destroyed us. Set us back years. No doubt whatsoever.
But again, this is the fault of management.

IMO, we should have moved heaven and earth to get Nathan too.
You could say we never really had a chance with him, but for me, when Nathan re-signed for Panthers it was a death knell.
The rest played itself out.

No just Nathan, We should have went for a few of them...
More chance to get Nathan if we get a few of his mates.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

 

[earl]

I took Geo's comments as Melbourne players snorting cocaine shows the flaws with the culture concept. If key players are snorting cocaine and partying on yet that club has the best winning culture what does it all mean.

Culture is subjective. You could state Melbourne have a terrible culture. Cheating, their top players on multiple occasions taking illegal drugs and a coach that abuses his players and loses his marbles regularly. Most people think Melbourne have a great culture because they win games.

 

[Rugba]

I took Geo's comments as Melbourne players snorting cocaine shows the flaws with the culture concept. If key players are snorting cocaine and partying on yet that club has the best winning culture what does it all mean.

Culture is subjective. You could state Melbourne have a terrible culture. Cheating, their top players on multiple occasions taking illegal drugs and a coach that abuses his players and loses his marbles regularly. Most people think Melbourne have a great culture because they win games.

And also being in melbourne They have been out of sight and under the microscope of Sydney and brisbane media and public.

no coincidence the squeaky clean image they had got ruined by them having to be based out of Melbourne last couple of years

 

[Snoz]

And also being in melbourne They have been out of sight and under the microscope of Sydney and brisbane media and public.

no coincidence the squeaky clean image they had got ruined by them having to be based out of Melbourne last couple of years

100% correct. You can get away with whatever you want down there. It's nothing like up here, the culture is completely different. Melbourne reminds me of living in Sydney in the 80's.

 

[Papacito]

Culture is a funny thing.

If we had a decent roster and won more games, you'd find the culture would change very quickly.

 

[FinestTigers]

I don't understand what this means? Craig Bellamy was offered the Tigers job and declined. Paul Langmack didn't become the coach.

So what does it matter what the players said in 2002?

And the bloke that ultimately replaced Terry Lamb won us a comp 3 years later.

20 Years ago?
I think Belleamy's biographer would be more than pleased with the media for the reason that most of his work has been done for him, it seems like the biographer has to only ask Bellamy about his life as a teenager which should then complete the biography

 

[jadtiger]

100% correct. You can get away with whatever you want down there. It's nothing like up here, the culture is completely different. Melbourne reminds me of living in Sydney in the 80's.

The 1880s

 

[BAGNF05]

I absolutely, totally agree with you. Any organisation whether it's sport or business has a model. The model is proposed to the organisation by it's head honcho, the ideas are thrown around at all levels until a working model is agreed on.
The leader ensures he or she has everyone steering the ship in one direction and not the opposite.
If everyone from the jersey washers, the trainers, players, coaches all the way up to our leader aren't on the same page, then it's a disaster.
Successful clubs bring into the organisation people who care and support the club, who bleed for the club.
Do our leaders ie. CEO have the same attributes.
Is the front office up front with everyone in the organisation and it's supporters.
I would rather see and hear contant feedback on injury updates, signings and player movement from our club via membership emails than have to wait weeks or months and hear it from the opposition, also rather than watch a tv series about the club beating their chests and highlighting our weaknesses for the entire rugby league community to ridicule us, be more upfront to its members

They aren’t going to promote their horrible track record and low standards. Hopefully Sheens brings back some credibility to the joint over the next 5 years.

 

[TrueTiger]

A lot of the posts in this discussion are full of merit re.coaches, players and what were faults of each and what were positives of each...
In my opinion what makes good leaders whether coaching or playing is the fundamental ingredient that has to be first and foremost ""RESPECT""....
Respect for your playing partners,respect for your coaching and staff and finally respect for the club you represent ....
Over the years we have had some respect for each,BUT never ALL players,coaches and club together at the same time..I understand we have always had some disharmony at times in all ,but we constantly had some form of in house fighting and back biting...
Since Madge got here he had a mess to sort out,some players didnt like his coaching,the board had its bickerings etc....
Once we have harmony, a direction going forward towards finals and good wins then the better times will come,but alas,everyone within the club from board,players and coaching must have an UTMOST respect for each other and their roles,otherwise the negativity will roll on and on....

 

[Needaname]

Culture is a funny thing.

If we had a decent roster and won more games, you'd find the culture would change very quickly.

I agree in part. But, an interesting exercise is reviewing the fluctuation of the finalists for the past 10-15 years.
There’s a few teams that despite a hick up year have shown they are a constant in the finals. For a long time that’s the Roosters and Storm and historically the Broncos and whilst Thurston was a part of the Cowboys, looking even further back whilst Joey was part of the Knights they were also a sure bet. In recent times Penrith have moved into this same position.
Following that there’s the Sharks, Raiders, Manly and in more recent years Parramatta.
It’s still a bit of head scratcher for mine why those 4 just mentioned still show signs of inconsistency. Whilst you would agree they are always contenders, they aren’t a reliable bet.
Sometimes I feel clubs win football games more so than players do.

Actually, I’m editing the part re the knights. I’m not convinced they have the same culture. And using the same scenario as where the cowboys at without Morgan, Thurston, Cooper and Scott. You could say that the knights and cowboys never built the same systems and culture like the roosters and Melbourne have, they can rotate through players but still have the same effect in the comp. Unlike others.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

A lot of the posts in this discussion are full of merit re.coaches, players and what were faults of each and what were positives of each...
In my opinion what makes good leaders whether coaching or playing is the fundamental ingredient that has to be first and foremost ""RESPECT""....
Respect for your playing partners,respect for your coaching and staff and finally respect for the club you represent ....
Over the years we have had some respect for each,BUT never ALL players,coaches and club together at the same time..I understand we have always had some disharmony at times in all ,but we constantly had some form of in house fighting and back biting...
Since Madge got here he had a mess to sort out,some players didnt like his coaching,the board had its bickerings etc....
Once we have harmony, a direction going forward towards finals and good wins then the better times will come,but alas,everyone within the club from board,players and coaching must have an UTMOST respect for each other and their roles,otherwise the negativity will roll on and on....

This is true and I notice whatever crap players get into at Melbourne they really stick together, the respect comes from sticking up for eachother, a band of brothers so to speak.

 

[jirskyr]

I watched the interview with Craig on Matty John's.

The club told him the players said they want Langmack but he can have the job... he said, well no thanks.

Interviewed with Raiders also who told him he has the job then the next day called him and said they changed their mind and want to go with Matt Elliot.

When he rejected the Tigers, he thought if could've been a mistake because these opportunities don't come around often.... however soon after Melbourne offered him the job.

I watched his interview with Brett Finch, I am pretty sure he didn't mention Paul Langmack on that one, he said he wasn't ready to leave Brisbane with his kids. He says the same thing in an interview with the SMH in 2009

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/schooling-kept-bellamy-from-tigers-20091007-gdtr4g.html

MELBOURNE Storm coach Craig Bellamy said had fate's timing been slightly off for the club he has guided to two premierships, he may not have been standing in the middle of yesterday's celebrations being feted, along with his players, by hundreds of fans.
Bellamy had been courted by Wests Tigers to become its coach in 2003, but turned the offer down because his children were then still at school and did not want to leave Brisbane, where he was an assistant coach at the Broncos.
He said yesterday at a civic reception at Federation Square for the premier, which beat Parramatta 23-16 in last Sunday's NRL grand final, that he regretted his decision to reject the Tigers almost immediately and jumped at the next chance that came along, that being from the Storm just a few months later, with the intention of ''deciding to what to do with the kids'' later. His family initially stayed in Brisbane while he moved to Melbourne, but he was later joined by his wife when his son and daughter, who remained up north, finished school.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/schooling-kept-bellamy-from-tigers-20091007-gdtr4g.html
However, he said had the order of offers been reversed then ''I might have knocked them [the Storm] back [instead], but that's how it happened''.
''When I knocked [the Tigers] back I think I did regret for a week or so afterwards,'' Bellamy said.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/schooling-kept-bellamy-from-tigers-20091007-gdtr4g.html

''That [the children] was the main reason [for rejecting the Tigers]. I know a lot of people think it wasn't because I then accepted another job, but I made the decision and regretted it and then thought I may never get another chance here so when it came up again so quickly I decided [to do it].
''I really wanted to have a go at being a head coach and I didn't know if I would get another chance if I knocked back this one. Two years [later] would have been ideal [timing] for me, but you just can't pick your times in this caper.''

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/schooling-kept-bellamy-from-tigers-20091007-gdtr4g.html

 

[Demps]

I watched his interview with Brett Finch, I am pretty sure he didn't mention Paul Langmack on that one, he said he wasn't ready to leave Brisbane with his kids. He says the same thing in an interview with the SMH in 2009

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/schooling-kept-bellamy-from-tigers-20091007-gdtr4g.html

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/schooling-kept-bellamy-from-tigers-20091007-gdtr4g.html

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/schooling-kept-bellamy-from-tigers-20091007-gdtr4g.html

Mentioned something about his wife didn't wanna leave Brisbane...

Added a new twist to the tale...

 

[innsaneink]

I reckon he was a poor leader. He was difficult and hated losing but he was also a hog and there were plenty of times he took the wrong option.

A good leader to me executes well at critical times.

I'd say he sometimes "tried TOO hard"

 

[BAGNF05]

A lot of the posts in this discussion are full of merit re.coaches, players and what were faults of each and what were positives of each...
In my opinion what makes good leaders whether coaching or playing is the fundamental ingredient that has to be first and foremost ""RESPECT""....
Respect for your playing partners,respect for your coaching and staff and finally respect for the club you represent ....
Over the years we have had some respect for each,BUT never ALL players,coaches and club together at the same time..I understand we have always had some disharmony at times in all ,but we constantly had some form of in house fighting and back biting...
Since Madge got here he had a mess to sort out,some players didnt like his coaching,the board had its bickerings etc....
Once we have harmony, a direction going forward towards finals and good wins then the better times will come,but alas,everyone within the club from board,players and coaching must have an UTMOST respect for each other and their roles,otherwise the negativity will roll on and on....

Respect comes with winning. Either we need better players or the ones we have need to get a lot better.

 

[Odessa]

I took Geo's comments as Melbourne players snorting cocaine shows the flaws with the culture concept. If key players are snorting cocaine and partying on yet that club has the best winning culture what does it all mean.

Culture is subjective. You could state Melbourne have a terrible culture. Cheating, their top players on multiple occasions taking illegal drugs and a coach that abuses his players and loses his marbles regularly. Most people think Melbourne have a great culture because they win games.

Play like you party very very hard

 

[stryker 69]

Culture is subjective. You could state Melbourne have a terrible culture. Cheating, their top players on multiple occasions taking illegal drugs and a coach that abuses his players and loses his marbles regularly. Most people think Melbourne have a great culture because they win games.

Melbournes culture off the field is a bit sus but when it comes to the business of producing teams that can win football games, they have created a culture of no nonsense, no excuses and professionalism. They have turned so many 6/10 players into 8/10 players that it can’t be denied. Their culture is winning, and they all buy into it.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

It's a valid point.... if you look at the successful clubs, certainly "on field" culture is driven by star players who have winning attitudes and who lead by example at training and in games. We miss this same of level of leadership where a group of star players when needed can take a game by the horns and lift it to another level dragging the rest of their team with them.
I suppose it comes down to the ability, quality and character of the players in your team. I think we all recognise that in this area we fall short of the top teams.

"Successful" cultures are rare in the NRL, i.e. Melbourne, Easts, Souths etc. and are always connected to "money is no object" owners. However, there are a number of examples where a "single town, lots of money" did not produce any result - NZ, GC, and even Brisbane in the latest period.
The "culture" is much more complicated.