Lara Pitt

[Magpieger]

not trying to toot my own horn but i mentioned this was coming. I had it mentioned that there are some disgruntled dudes at the top. Its created a division in the squad with alot of the younger players silently backing madge. Its our higher profile dudes that are causing the issues.

Toot away mate. Coz if that's the case, how many of our senior players are really worth their salt anyway. Hopefully disgruntled enough to break contracts? But more likely they realise their not gonna get chased hard by other clubs and stick around causing crap and stirring the pot.

 

[Strider]

Lara Pitt had some good points last night that got overlooked.

For mine, the fact that Madge won a premiership at Souths (which nobody has done since) but was given the boot says that he's a very good coach but has poor people skills.

It seems like things haven't changed too much. If this report is true, it's pretty bad form. I think any of us would be fuming if our boss treated is this way (source, smh):

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*There's also a perception among the playing group that the coach avoids confrontation. It was evident again during the week when Marshall walked into Maguire's office on Monday and strongly suggested he should play on in 2021 at the Tigers.

Maguire, despite playing a leading hand in the decision not to extend the club legend, left the door ajar and told Marshall to give him 24 hours to see if he could do anything else.

The club, already booked in for a meeting with his manager later that day, didn't budge on the original decision. but Marshall was left disappointed that Maguire couldn't tell it how it was.*

Nothing wrong with that at all, don't know why you think it's bad form?

It's likely that Madge was able to cast the ultimate vote on Benji, in consultation with the others in the recruitment team. However that doesn't mean he had made his mind up when he spoke to Benji and it doesn't mean he wasn't persuaded (or even over-ruled) by the others, or that nothing changed in the space of a few days.

According to the account, Benji walks into his office and says I think I should play on, can we reach a deal. Madge may not have had his final answer at that point, and perhaps Benji coming in was the final move that told Tigers a decision was required now, this week.

I'll say this again: if Benji was playing great football then he'd have his extension.

I wouldn't say he was great this year but I still think he was our best half. Kinda what bums me. Poor management means we keep 3 halves (Mbye, Reynolds, Brooks) not as good as him on what, 2 or 3 times the price each hah! I feel our club isn't managed well at the top. Ah well. I agree your points though.

 

[happy_tiger]

I guess what I find funny about all this is how many honesty sessions can you have a season

I might ask 3-4 of my most experienced and trusted campaigners their opinion ...asking the whole squad will create a kangaroo court

 

[GNR4LIFE]

It’s fine to support him in the short term, but if the players are still unhappy this time next year, he will be gone.

Actually, this time next year, around 50% of the current playing group will be gone for 2022.

That’s irrelevant. If we’re still languishing in the same position we are now, I doubt the board we will be in a rush to extend. And I love how everyone assumes the only players that are unhappy are the ones that will be gone next year.

 

[Papacito]

Lara Pitt had some good points last night that got overlooked.

For mine, the fact that Madge won a premiership at Souths (which nobody has done since) but was given the boot says that he's a very good coach but has poor people skills.

It seems like things haven't changed too much. If this report is true, it's pretty bad form. I think any of us would be fuming if our boss treated is this way (source, smh):

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*There's also a perception among the playing group that the coach avoids confrontation. It was evident again during the week when Marshall walked into Maguire's office on Monday and strongly suggested he should play on in 2021 at the Tigers.

Maguire, despite playing a leading hand in the decision not to extend the club legend, left the door ajar and told Marshall to give him 24 hours to see if he could do anything else.

The club, already booked in for a meeting with his manager later that day, didn't budge on the original decision. but Marshall was left disappointed that Maguire couldn't tell it how it was.*

Nothing wrong with that at all, don't know why you think it's bad form?

It's likely that Madge was able to cast the ultimate vote on Benji, in consultation with the others in the recruitment team. However that doesn't mean he had made his mind up when he spoke to Benji and it doesn't mean he wasn't persuaded (or even over-ruled) by the others, or that nothing changed in the space of a few days.

According to the account, Benji walks into his office and says I think I should play on, can we reach a deal. Madge may not have had his final answer at that point, and perhaps Benji coming in was the final move that told Tigers a decision was required now, this week.

I'll say this again: if Benji was playing great football then he'd have his extension. If he made his tackles he would never have been dropped. You don't go in to the boss with a weak hand and ask for a pay rise or a contract extension, and expect it will all just fall your way.

It's entirely possible that Madge genuinely wanted to keep Benji around and asked for some more time to see if they could figure something out. There may be third-party deals or maneuvering with marquee allowances or total player numbers.

It may be that something else moved wrt future signings and retention. We've seen enough from people like The_POM to know that signings decisions can change by the day, even just with Latrell, 50 comments that he was a done deal, then all of a sudden he isn't.

Madge may simply have changed his mind, which he is allowed to do.

I have no problem with any of this at all. If Benji feels hard done-by, he's been precious about it, I'm sorry. 100 people a week walk into their bosses office and ask for more money or an extension and lots of them walk away disappointed, whether their boss is their best mate or a complete moron.

The rumours were already out there that he wouldn't be around.

Sit the guy down, give it to him straight. Simple. Don't pussy out.

 

[851]

@twentyforty said in [Lara Pitt](/post/1220962)
Never thought I could or ever would say this, but the sooner Benji is out of the place the better for the team.

I have thought this for 2 years, but was accused of hating him, which I don’t, but he is part of the problem, not part of the solution

 

[TillLindemann]

Why should fans support the club when the players think they’re above the club and try to get coaches booted all the time because THEY aren’t playing good enough. It seriously pisses me off big time!

I’m supporting blokes like Nofa, AD, Luciano and Aloiai, not many others currently think ??‍♂️

Chuck in Twal and Liddle as well and that's a pretty strong core to build a team around.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Lara Pitt had some good points last night that got overlooked.

For mine, the fact that Madge won a premiership at Souths (which nobody has done since) but was given the boot says that he's a very good coach but has poor people skills.

It seems like things haven't changed too much. If this report is true, it's pretty bad form. I think any of us would be fuming if our boss treated is this way (source, smh):

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*There's also a perception among the playing group that the coach avoids confrontation. It was evident again during the week when Marshall walked into Maguire's office on Monday and strongly suggested he should play on in 2021 at the Tigers.

Maguire, despite playing a leading hand in the decision not to extend the club legend, left the door ajar and told Marshall to give him 24 hours to see if he could do anything else.

The club, already booked in for a meeting with his manager later that day, didn't budge on the original decision. but Marshall was left disappointed that Maguire couldn't tell it how it was.*

Nothing wrong with that at all, don't know why you think it's bad form?

It's likely that Madge was able to cast the ultimate vote on Benji, in consultation with the others in the recruitment team. However that doesn't mean he had made his mind up when he spoke to Benji and it doesn't mean he wasn't persuaded (or even over-ruled) by the others, or that nothing changed in the space of a few days.

According to the account, Benji walks into his office and says I think I should play on, can we reach a deal. Madge may not have had his final answer at that point, and perhaps Benji coming in was the final move that told Tigers a decision was required now, this week.

I'll say this again: if Benji was playing great football then he'd have his extension. If he made his tackles he would never have been dropped. You don't go in to the boss with a weak hand and ask for a pay rise or a contract extension, and expect it will all just fall your way.

It's entirely possible that Madge genuinely wanted to keep Benji around and asked for some more time to see if they could figure something out. There may be third-party deals or maneuvering with marquee allowances or total player numbers.

It may be that something else moved wrt future signings and retention. We've seen enough from people like The_POM to know that signings decisions can change by the day, even just with Latrell, 50 comments that he was a done deal, then all of a sudden he isn't.

Madge may simply have changed his mind, which he is allowed to do.

I have no problem with any of this at all. If Benji feels hard done-by, he's been precious about it, I'm sorry. 100 people a week walk into their bosses office and ask for more money or an extension and lots of them walk away disappointed, whether their boss is their best mate or a complete moron.

^^^this^^ . Chammas got his mail from someone in the management team . And if you read his initial wording it said , the tigers had all but made thier mind up. Meaning they hadn’t made thier mind up , but it was looking likely .
So benji goes bananas , goes to Madge . Madge is probably like well , nothing was official , give me a day , went and had the convo , with the management team , the recruitment team ( Super important because they would know where things were at with each recruitment negotiation., Madge would have an idea , but not the exact spot each negotiating is at , as it’s not his job) , and the coaching staff . And then came back and told benji what is obvious to everyone who is t his best mate “ you’re done mate “.
Every single expert from Freddy to Gus Gould to Kenty , has said he can still run the team , but he’s gone in defence. Which means he’s gone in 2020 as it’s ? about defence . It’s not 2005 beating teams 36-28. If 36 points are scored against you , it’s probably 36-4.

 

[Krammy]

NRL360 - Lara is spruiking that she has the inside word on player dissent over Madges’s communication style. Thinks he isn’t giving players respect or a reason when they’re dropped. Even dug up his Souths dramas as evidence he rubs players the wrong way. Any ideas who she’s matesy with? She really seems to have it in for him. 🤔

I honestly believe there is 'some' merit in what she has said. Madge has had difficulties in the past - notably at Souths, with his management of players. This was at a club that had a much better playing roster than ours currently is, According to her 'sources', this is showing itself again at the Tigers. However, I also agree with Paul Kent's reply to her that some players need to toughen up. So if looking for a pathway forward, I feel the players need to have a good hard look at themselves and think about the amount of coin they are getting, and how professional they are acting to earn that coin. I also think that anyone, in any profession, needs to be constantly trying to improve. It appears Madge still need to work on his player management / communication.

 

[Tiger5150]

NRL360 - Lara is spruiking that she has the inside word on player dissent over Madges’s communication style. Thinks he isn’t giving players respect or a reason when they’re dropped. Even dug up his Souths dramas as evidence he rubs players the wrong way. Any ideas who she’s matesy with? She really seems to have it in for him. ?

I honestly believe there is 'some' merit in what she has said. Madge has had difficulties in the past - notably at Souths, with his management of players. This was at a club that had a much better playing roster than ours currently is, According to her 'sources', this is showing itself again at the Tigers. However, I also agree with Paul Kent's reply to her that some players need to toughen up. So if looking for a pathway forward, I feel the players need to have a good hard look at themselves and think about the amount of coin they are getting, and how professional they are acting to earn that coin. I also think that anyone, in any profession, needs to be constantly trying to improve. It appears Madge still need to work on his player management / communication.

Its a trope.

The whole Madge was too tough was debunked by S burgess and others after he left. He was white anted by Seibold but the trope survives and then lazy or clueless "journalists" simply fall back onto these tropes when nothing else to go on.

 

[Russell]

NRL360 - Lara is spruiking that she has the inside word on player dissent over Madges’s communication style. Thinks he isn’t giving players respect or a reason when they’re dropped. Even dug up his Souths dramas as evidence he rubs players the wrong way. Any ideas who she’s matesy with? She really seems to have it in for him. ?

I honestly believe there is 'some' merit in what she has said. Madge has had difficulties in the past - notably at Souths, with his management of players. This was at a club that had a much better playing roster than ours currently is, According to her 'sources', this is showing itself again at the Tigers. However, I also agree with Paul Kent's reply to her that some players need to toughen up. So if looking for a pathway forward, I feel the players need to have a good hard look at themselves and think about the amount of coin they are getting, and how professional they are acting to earn that coin. I also think that anyone, in any profession, needs to be constantly trying to improve. It appears Madge still need to work on his player management / communication.

From what was going around at the time - Madge was white anted out of Souffs by Siebold.
Probably Sam the Sham was in there eating away as well.

Madge is a tough coach - it's a tough game, if you don't like it - GET OUT!

Trouble is these pussys want Madge to tuck them in each night.

Didn't see your pot Tiger 5150 - Basically repeating what you said.

 

[tigerbalm]

Why should fans support the club when the players think they’re above the club and try to get coaches booted all the time because THEY aren’t playing good enough. It seriously pisses me off big time!

I’m supporting blokes like Nofa, AD, Luciano and Aloiai, not many others currently think ??‍♂️

Chuck in Twal and Liddle as well and that's a pretty strong core to build a team around.

Pretty much.

In saying that, Pitt is right up there with Buzz for incompetent reporters so who knows what's true.

 

[TigerWest]

Lara Pitt had some good points last night that got overlooked.

For mine, the fact that Madge won a premiership at Souths (which nobody has done since) but was given the boot says that he's a very good coach but has poor people skills.

It seems like things haven't changed too much. If this report is true, it's pretty bad form. I think any of us would be fuming if our boss treated is this way (source, smh):

---------------------------------------------------------------------

*There's also a perception among the playing group that the coach avoids confrontation. It was evident again during the week when Marshall walked into Maguire's office on Monday and strongly suggested he should play on in 2021 at the Tigers.

Maguire, despite playing a leading hand in the decision not to extend the club legend, left the door ajar and told Marshall to give him 24 hours to see if he could do anything else.

The club, already booked in for a meeting with his manager later that day, didn't budge on the original decision. but Marshall was left disappointed that Maguire couldn't tell it how it was.*

Nothing wrong with that at all, don't know why you think it's bad form?

It's likely that Madge was able to cast the ultimate vote on Benji, in consultation with the others in the recruitment team. However that doesn't mean he had made his mind up when he spoke to Benji and it doesn't mean he wasn't persuaded (or even over-ruled) by the others, or that nothing changed in the space of a few days.

According to the account, Benji walks into his office and says I think I should play on, can we reach a deal. Madge may not have had his final answer at that point, and perhaps Benji coming in was the final move that told Tigers a decision was required now, this week.

I'll say this again: if Benji was playing great football then he'd have his extension.

I wouldn't say he was great this year but I still think he was our best half. Kinda what bums me. Poor management means we keep 3 halves (Mbye, Reynolds, Brooks) not as good as him on what, 2 or 3 times the price each hah! I feel our club isn't managed well at the top. Ah well. I agree your points though.

But he is the one off contract.

 

[tony soprano]

She annoyed me.

Who’s the rat in playing group.

You're assuming there is one. Like Kent and Hooper and Rothfield and others, she's just making crap up as a form of "journalism". I refuse to watch it, which means I'm infintely smarter and better informed.

The rat is yet to reveal themselves

 

[earl]

Don’t care.

Exactly. I don't care at all. We need to develop a team with better talent and then we can judge the coach. I think Madge is the right person to develop that team.

 

[fibrodreaming]

It’s fine to support him in the short term, but if the players are still unhappy this time next year, he will be gone.

Actually, this time next year, around 50% of the current playing group will be gone for 2022.

That’s irrelevant. If we’re still languishing in the same position we are now, I doubt the board we will be in a rush to extend. And I love how everyone assumes the only players that are unhappy are the ones that will be gone next year.

It is not irrelevant, it is very much to the point. You said that if the playing group are still unhappy this time next year "he (Madge) will be gone". A statement of fact.

That was the only issue I sought to address. I made the point that this time next year half the playing group will be either gone or on their way out. I think that it's quite possible that a sizable proportion of the playing group will not be happy this time next year, possibly as much as 30% of next year's squad.

I imagine that decisions to extend a coach, especially one that is engaged in a roster clean-out, are based on many more considerations than whether an element of the playing group are unhappy.

When you say " I love how everyone assumes the only players that are unhappy are the ones that will be gone next year", I don't assume that. I was assuming that the 50% of the current squad who will be gone by 2022 would constitute a significant pool of unhappiness.

If, on the other hand, Madge has actually alienated the nucleus of the good players we wish to retain, such as Aloiai, Twal, Nofo, etc, then I reckon you are right and Madge will be gone next year. But do you have any inside info on that ?

 

[earl]

She annoyed me.

Who’s the rat in playing group.

You're assuming there is one. Like Kent and Hooper and Rothfield and others, she's just making crap up as a form of "journalism". I refuse to watch it, which means I'm infintely smarter and better informed.

The rat is yet to reveal themselves

There are two options:-

1. It's made up. This is highly likely. Rugby league journalism is a joke.
2. A player is spruiking some nonsense to the media. If that is the case I bet it's a player who isn't performing and hopefully they won't get another contract.

 

[rex2ce]

not trying to toot my own horn but i mentioned this was coming. I had it mentioned that there are some disgruntled dudes at the top. Its created a division in the squad with alot of the younger players silently backing madge. Its our higher profile dudes that are causing the issues.

Fair enough. Who are the guys with the issues and what are they?

Garlic Mayo publicly supported her over the pronunciation of Pacific Islander names

 

[fibrodreaming]

NRL360 - Lara is spruiking that she has the inside word on player dissent over Madges’s communication style. Thinks he isn’t giving players respect or a reason when they’re dropped. Even dug up his Souths dramas as evidence he rubs players the wrong way. Any ideas who she’s matesy with? She really seems to have it in for him. ?

I honestly believe there is 'some' merit in what she has said. Madge has had difficulties in the past - notably at Souths, with his management of players. This was at a club that had a much better playing roster than ours currently is, According to her 'sources', this is showing itself again at the Tigers. However, I also agree with Paul Kent's reply to her that some players need to toughen up. So if looking for a pathway forward, I feel the players need to have a good hard look at themselves and think about the amount of coin they are getting, and how professional they are acting to earn that coin. I also think that anyone, in any profession, needs to be constantly trying to improve. It appears Madge still need to work on his player management / communication.


Its a trope.

The whole Madge was too tough was debunked by S burgess and others after he left. He was white anted by Seibold but the trope survives and then lazy or clueless "journalists" simply fall back onto these tropes when nothing else to go on.

 

[Tiger5150]

not trying to toot my own horn but i mentioned this was coming. I had it mentioned that there are some disgruntled dudes at the top. Its created a division in the squad with alot of the younger players silently backing madge. Its our higher profile dudes that are causing the issues.

Fair enough. Who are the guys with the issues and what are they?


Garlic Mayo publicly supported her over the pronunciation of Pacific Islander names

Wasnt that Erin Molan?