Lawrence/Tuiaki/Dwyer

GNR4LIFE

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What do these 3 guys have in common? All suffered debilitating injuries.

Whose the odd one out? Lawrence, cos he's still playing.

But there's a second reason why he's the odd one out. He's the only one that no one has any sympathy for, the only one out of the 3 whose name has become a punchline and that people love to use as a punching bag.

I have a question. If Dwyer or Tuiaki ever made comebacks, i'm sure there wouldn't have been one supporter who wouldn't have peed themselves with excitement. What if those 2 did comeback and they struggled as Lawrence has? Would people be equally as brutal on a guy who almost was resigned to a wheelchair and another who had his foot shattered?

This is where the lack of empathy for Rowdy really becomes frustrating, cos the injury he suffered was no ordinary run of the mill injury. He was almost crippled. His hip dislocated, he was unfortunate enough not to have it pop back in, it had to be manipulated and he had to be sedated. His screams were heard from the stands, and he was still screaming as they put him into the ambulance. His injury was one of the more horrific injuries of the last few yrs. Yet no one seems to accept the similarities between he and Tuiaki and Dwyer.

All i ask is the next time you take a cheap shot at the guy, ask yourself if you'd do the same to Dwyer or Tuiaki if they made comebacks and weren't the same players.
 
Admiral post.

However I feel if either Tuiaki and or Dwyer did come back and performed below standard yet kept getting picked they would cop the same as Lawrence.

It's hard being on a forum, but maybe we should make a gentlemens agreement amongst all of us to lay off him for at least 5 weeks of the comp. No one can make that happen but personally I'll sign up now to giving him a genuine chance.

One thing I would like to say in regards to Lawrence is…...a few trot out the line "a hip injury doesn't make u drop the ball"....well this emplies he has bad hands when in actual fact he has had lovely hands in the past with a very nice catch n pass motion at speed. So what's the reason for his poor handling? It's not skill, it CONFIDENCE. Once your confidence is gone so does your hands. So ill give him 5 weeks to build that confidence. Hope others are with me.
 
Absolutely Sirro, his confidence has been shot the last couple yrs. Probably stemming from him knowing his body can't do what it use to do. I'm not saying no one should be critical of his selection, but the guy almost suffered permanent damage while wearing our jersey. If that isn't enough, the fact everyone loved him before the injury shows just how fickle they are now that those same people want to disown him and get just down right nasty in the process.

That last sentence isn't suppose to come across as a true supporter statement of ''don't bag our players''. Bag them all you like, but think before you lay the boot into some and ask yourself if they really deserve it.
 
If we are talking about admirable things to do..

Maybe Lawrence should have retired knowing how much the injury has affected him and given the club some salary cap relief.

Sorry, but just because you get a bad injury, don't expect a free pass of sympathy for life if your out on the field most week missing tackles and dropping the ball.

No one has said he is not a nice bloke, or a good trainer, or great player pre injury. Its nothing personal.
 
jirskyr wrote:
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I am continually surprised by the condescending tone of some forummers, it goes something like this:
"Let's just hope Player X learns from this and does a better job of representing the club", or "Player X needs to pull his head in and concentrate on his performances".

Yes, its everywhere
 
@Eddie said:
If we are talking about admirable things to do..

Maybe Lawrence should have retired knowing how much the injury has affected him and given the club some salary cap relief.

Sorry, but just because you get a bad injury, don't expect a free pass of sympathy for life if your out on the field most week missing tackles and dropping the ball.

No one has said he is not a nice bloke, or a good trainer, or great player pre injury. Its nothing personal.

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jirskyr wrote:
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I am continually surprised by the condescending tone of some forummers, it goes something like this:
"Let's just hope Player X learns from this and does a better job of representing the club", or "Player X needs to pull his head in and concentrate on his performances".

Yes…its everywhere
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
What do these 3 guys have in common? All suffered debilitating injuries.

Whose the odd one out? Lawrence, cos he's still playing.

But there's a second reason why he's the odd one out. He's the only one that no one has any sympathy for, the only one out of the 3 whose name has become a punchline and that people love to use as a punching bag.

I have a question. If Dwyer or Tuiaki ever made comebacks, i'm sure there wouldn't have been one supporter who wouldn't have peed themselves with excitement. What if those 2 did comeback and they struggled as Lawrence has? Would people be equally as brutal on a guy who almost was resigned to a wheelchair and another who had his foot shattered?

This is where the lack of empathy for Rowdy really becomes frustrating, cos the injury he suffered was no ordinary run of the mill injury. He was almost crippled. His hip dislocated, he was unfortunate enough not to have it pop back in, it had to be manipulated and he had to be sedated. His screams were heard from the stands, and he was still screaming as they put him into the ambulance. His injury was one of the more horrific injuries of the last few yrs. Yet no one seems to accept the similarities between he and Tuiaki and Dwyer.

All i ask is the next time you take a cheap shot at the guy, ask yourself if you'd do the same to Dwyer or Tuiaki if they made comebacks and weren't the same players.

I could not agree more!
 
GNR,all I will say is I feel sympathy for Dwyer and Tuiaki because their injuries make it impossible for them to come back….

Lawrence has the opportunity to bring his former form back to some degree,because he has had rehab and now his injuries are being better managed,although the horrendous injury of the hip restricted heaps of his movement,he was still able to be picked in FG and play to some degree albeit restricted...

This year however he says he is the best he has been and can play in his favourite position it seems,I will give him my utmost support and hope he can regain the recognition he deserves as a rep centre..

I won't bag him...I will give him his chance at redemption...many others it seems won't....
 
@simonthetiger said:
And yes 5 weeks,lets give Chris a go!

Couldn't agree more …. If he gets his confidence back, Lawrence of Leumeah will be back in business ! Can't wait to dust off the banner !
 
Lawrence represented Australia post hip Injury….

We have seen it on this forum for years...Fitzhenry Morris Moltzen Marshall Sheens the list goes on... sheep will be sheep,,,even if Rowdy performs well which he did at times last year it's overlooked in search of a scapegoat ...

2015....Fresh start for everyone
 
Most people were delighted that Skandalis, Roach, Sironen and Payten were given the flick. They were delighted because it ended the boys club, and it signalled the start of a new culture based on getting the best people qualified in the pursuit of winning.

Well I have the same attitude towards the players representing the club on the field. It's nearly 4 years since he had that injury, the same injury someone like Gareth Widdop seemed to recover from in 6 months. Yes it was a shocking injury and has had a huge affect. However we are the least successful club of the last 15 years so i don't extend sympathies for good blokes who have played poorly for 3 years running.

Sure the training and conditioning staff have been from a backward era and no doubt have contributed to some of his problems. However i also like players to take some individual responsibility and accountability. Lawrence seems to buck pass all the time to the injuries excuse.

I suppose he has put pressure on himself this year to say he is fully fit and firing so i'm prepared to give him the first 5-6 rounds to see if anything has changed. I just hope that if he has the same problems the coach either puts him in reserves or he decides to retire.

The club has been stooped in mediocrity for so long. I'm just interested in them winning and if I bag Lawrence in a game its not because it personal. A player like Tuiaki never made it back to the field thats why people feel great sympathy for him. When he is reading things poorly in defense , throwing a bad pass or dropping the ball I think blaming the injury is a stretch.
 
Lawrence at his best was basically a very good hole runner,he did not create the holes,but when Benji gave him some clear air he knew what lines to run.

Iam hopefull Moses might give Lawrence the same service that Benji dished up…at his peak of course!!!!Anyway I will give Lawrence at least a month before I start bagging him
 
You can't compare the three. Tuiaki and Dwyer had career ending injuries. And boy did they have big careers in front of them. They can't even play park footy for fun with their mates. Tuiaki is struggling to make a living for himself and his family and is in constant pain. As for Dwyer, well that's another very sad story. Glad the club is looking after him by employing him. Chris on the other hand was lucky enough to recover from his injuries and continue to be in first grade and get paid top dollar.
2015 should be a make or brake for Chris.
 
@Eddie said:
so i'm prepared to give him the first 5-6 rounds to see if anything has changed. I just hope that if he has the same problems the coach either puts him in reserves or he decides to retire.

The club has been stooped in mediocrity for so long. I'm just interested in them winning and if I bag Lawrence in a game its not because it personal.

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@Eddie said:
Maybe Lawrence should have retired knowing how much the injury has affected him and given the club some salary cap relief.

You are kind of contradicting yourself - should he have retired already, or do you give him a few months of play in 2015?
 
@Eddie said:
Most people were delighted that Skandalis, Roach, Sironen and Payten were given the flick. They were delighted because it ended the boys club, and it signalled the start of a new culture based on getting the best people qualified in the pursuit of winning.

Well I have the same attitude towards the players representing the club on the field. It's nearly 4 years since he had that injury, the same injury someone like Gareth Widdop seemed to recover from in 6 months. Yes it was a shocking injury and has had a huge affect. However we are the least successful club of the last 15 years so i don't extend sympathies for good blokes who have played poorly for 3 years running.

Sure the training and conditioning staff have been from a backward era and no doubt have contributed to some of his problems. However i also like players to take some individual responsibility and accountability. Lawrence seems to buck pass all the time to the injuries excuse.

I suppose he has put pressure on himself this year to say he is fully fit and firing so i'm prepared to give him the first 5-6 rounds to see if anything has changed. I just hope that if he has the same problems the coach either puts him in reserves or he decides to retire.

The club has been stooped in mediocrity for so long. I'm just interested in them winning and if I bag Lawrence in a game its not because it personal. A player like Tuiaki never made it back to the field thats why people feel great sympathy for him. When he is reading things poorly in defense , throwing a bad pass or dropping the ball I think blaming the injury is a stretch.

You do realise there was a difference between Widdops and Rowdy's injuries. Just because two players suffered the same injury does not mean the severity of the injury is the same. Widdops injury went back in place quicker and more easily than Rowdy's. Now this is important because of the risk with a dislocated hip is the lack of blood flow to the head of the femur. This lack of blood flow can cause osteonecrosis of the hip. This basically means that part of the bone in the head of the femur dies. This is on the severe end of cases, the dislocation may have caused him to adjust his running style that could be putting more stress through his hamstring resulting in the hamstring tears we have seen. This in turn may have resulted in him not extending in his running style thus leading to the reduction of speed we have seen.

Now I know that is a lot of information and I do not know what has occurred in Chris' circumstance but I just wanted to use that to point out how naive it is to say that because Widdop returned in 6 months than Chris should have as well.

Also on your other point about him dropping the ball and bad defensive reads, I'd like to point out that these were not existent pre injury. So I would surmise that these issues are confidence related.

I know that is a lot of information
 
If Keith Lulia plays like crap this year can we call him out?
After all he's coming back from a broken neck.

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He has been a shadow of his former self. He can still run good lines and tackle head-on but his speed is gone. His best hope of reinventing himself would be to move into the back row. He has the build for it.
 

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