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@upthetigers said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357345) said:
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357306) said:
@upthetigers said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357103) said:
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357054) said:
Yeah Brooks might have a few bad games but he will never reach the pathetic level of someone creating forum alts to moan about someone who is actually successful

I guess it depends on how you define success. Never playing finals football is largely a failure in my book.


Playing 150 games in first grade versus nuffies on a forum is largely a success in my book.

Pretty dumb to be comparing a professional footballer to fans on a forum. You should be comparing him to other halfbacks.


Read the thread, it was in context to people on this thread. Pretty dumb to not read.
 
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357371) said:
@hank37w said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357324) said:
@jd-tiger said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356359) said:
And Cini drops it in goals, but its alright, half time.

Surely we can't play any worse in second half...


Cini's confidence must be rock bottom now. Not sure if he will be able to get over this and if he doesn't, it won't be long before people on this forum start calling him Sack Cini.

Attack was very poor and too much arm grabbing in defense by this team.

After sitting through that pathetic display out at the ground, I am going to have some beers at home and give the rest of this thread a miss because my mental health just won't allow me to read any more.

Meh , second game stuff . It happens . He will be alright. It happens . You can’t drop him now , just like you couldn’t drop Simpkin last week . He needs a chance to rectify his mistake , as it could do irrevocable damage if we don’t give him the chance .

Talau will be back next week .
If Cini can play centre I’d give him Mbyes jersey.
 
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357379) said:
@tigerneddyk said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357311) said:
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357276) said:
@tigerneddyk said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357027) said:
@bula said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356928) said:
@wt2k said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356901) said:
@bagnf05 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356895) said:
@elleryhanley said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356876) said:
@bagnf05 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356867) said:
@851 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356853) said:
@wt2k said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356841) said:
Waiting for the presser. This is not what wt are about. Blah blah blah blah

I am so over Madge, we came out again and looked like we just had Christmas lunch, what the hell does he say to them to put them to sleep before each game

Wests Tigers haven’t been able to string two performances together in 10 years. It’s bigger than Madge. The rot is in the walls and starts at the top.

We have not had a smart 7 for 10 years....

Put Scott Prince in today and we win.

Put an add in the paper then. We need a half back but he has to be able to create eight tries and make no errors cos the team can’t tackle.

Add in the paper, seek, LinkedIn, indeed, local pub

Advertise on Grindr. Might someone with a bit of flair.

Elton John would go better at halfback than Brooks, at least he’d bring some passion and creativity.... boy George even!


So both Tiger8 and TigerneddyK BOTH dabble in homophobia....cant imagine how I confused the two of them, both joining the same day.

Is there a mod watching this ? Please get this poster to stop with the accusations and insults directed at me personally. I feel I am being baited to ***respond in a manner that will get me banned.*** I am not interested in feuding with an unknown random on the internet, I am just hoping to converse and socialise with Tigers supporters that have a passion for the team like I do.. it is hard enough losing and taking it to heart like I do and finding this place as a refuge and now being subjected to this incitement and provocation?

Why would you be concerned about being banned? Would have nothing to do with Tiger8 being banned?

Dont make homophobic comments and you wont be called out for homophobic comments....simples.

Hi Tiger 5150,

I am a gay male that played rugby league at reasonably high levels. I love the Tigers and your passion. I for one love Luke Brooks and think he is a champion, but I wonder where your loyalties lie based on your posts here and elsewhere? Do you care to explain? Why have you accused users of abuse or collusion or worse? Those are allegations the moderators must suspend your account for and introduce and immediate investigation. I shall be instigating an information request of the forum as they are as responsible as you and in this day and age, not hard to find or prosecute.

Sydney (Lawyer)
MR
 
@leonard-day said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357370) said:
a lot of players can play the game, but not many know how to win a game, they have to be taught by someone who knows what to do at certain times in a game, if know one teaches them, then they will never know, they will keep running around, like a chook with no head on

Let’s hope Hastings can impart his will to win.
Brooks shows all the emotions of a stuffed toy.
 
@tigerballs said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357348) said:
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357306) said:
@upthetigers said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357103) said:
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357054) said:
Yeah Brooks might have a few bad games but he will never reach the pathetic level of someone creating forum alts to moan about someone who is actually successful

I guess it depends on how you define success. Never playing finals football is largely a failure in my book.


Playing 150 games in first grade versus nuffies on a forum is largely a success in my book.


I’m sorry 5150, I agree with a lot of what you post but I can’t go with the Brooks thing. He’s just terrible. He could most likely make a decent fullback or number 14 but he’s no halfback.


Thats fine, we can have that discussion and I could have that discussion with you ahead of some others, but go back and read the contest of that thread....it was directly relating to posters on this thread and it wasnt my comparison.
 
@boonboon said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357222) said:
Moses Mbye in 80 minutes he made 4 runs and had 2 missed tackles and 6 ineffective. For 900k a year that is horriffic. I doubt anyone else wants him but I say pay the 700k we have left in this yrs cap into next yrs contract and offer him for to anyone who will take him for 100k.

Why not just ask for a refund for defective goods
 
Hi Tiger 5150,

I am a gay male that played rugby league at reasonably high levels. I love the Tigers and your passion. I for one love Luke Brooks and think he is a champion, but I wonder where your loyalties lie based on your posts here and elsewhere? Do you care to explain? Why have you accused users of abuse or collusion or worse? Those are allegations the moderators must suspend your account for and introduce and immediate investigation. I shall be instigating an information request of the forum as they are as responsible as you and in this day and age, not hard to find or prosecute.

Sydney (Lawyer)
MR
 
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357368) said:
@tigerballs said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357300) said:
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357245) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356921) said:
@851 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356897) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356855) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356844) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356819) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356808) said:
@69-05-41 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356788) said:
We came close, at least the happy clappers and Brooks fan boys will be satisfied

I don’t know how you blame brooks for that ? We bombed 3 tries , had Cini drop every kick / let in every trycome his way (he’s a kid in his second game so he gets a pass , but it doesnt take away from the effect) .

What did the star highly paid HB do this game?

Nothing , he was invisible , but he didn’t lose us the game is my point . Our right , again is god damn hopeless defensively .

How many teams with invisible HB’s win? None. Your support is admirable but nonsensical

There are only a couple of these Brooks boys left, god knows what they see when they watch Brooks try play


We lost **36** - 28. We conceded 18 points in 3 sets in 5 minutes.

Luke Brooks made 20 tackles and missed 1.

yeah sure.....Luke Brooks lost this game for us.

Sarcasm aside, this is ridiculous. Luke Brooks hasnt been brilliant this year, but he didnt have a bad game today and didnt lose this game for us. Nofo's defence, Cini gave up the ball 5 times in our 30 on the first tackle, but you guys blame Brooks.

Brooks has had some poor games this year, but this level of obsession means that I can ttake any of your opinions seriously. you dont know Rugba Leag.


There’s a lot of duds in this team but Brooks is the half and therefore the player with most responsibility. His job isn’t to make 20 tackles, it’s to guide the team, build pressure by getting repeat sets and put on a few plays. He doesn’t do any of that. He’s crap. Stop defending him.


Did we score 28 points? with at least two tries disallowed including brooks passes? I wish people would look at the passes that Brooks gives Doueihi to put in him in space. I swear that for some here, if Brooks isnt making line breaks he is crap.


In this simple game of rugby league, one thing that is indisputable is that you can’t score without the ball. The more often you have the football, the more chances you have to score. Having the football more often than the other team also means you have to defend less. It’s mathematical. And simple. Every time we have the football in our possession, we’re not missing tackles or conceding line breaks or leaking points. Every time the opposition has the football the opposite applies. It’s the halfbacks job to maximise the opportunities we have once we have possession AND to maximise the time we are in possession. That is usually the result of wise 5th tackle options and a good kicking game. Brooks, unfortunately, is totally devoid in those two most critical parts of the game. Yes, the rest of the team has a few mistakes in their games that lead to turnovers but Brooks’ failures are a constant.
 
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357371) said:
@hank37w said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357324) said:
@jd-tiger said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356359) said:
And Cini drops it in goals, but its alright, half time.

Surely we can't play any worse in second half...


Cini's confidence must be rock bottom now. Not sure if he will be able to get over this and if he doesn't, it won't be long before people on this forum start calling him Sack Cini.

Attack was very poor and too much arm grabbing in defense by this team.

After sitting through that pathetic display out at the ground, I am going to have some beers at home and give the rest of this thread a miss because my mental health just won't allow me to read any more.

Meh , second game stuff . It happens . He will be alright. It happens . You can’t drop him now , just like you couldn’t drop Simpkin last week . He needs a chance to rectify his mistake , as it could do irrevocable damage if we don’t give him the chance .


No way you can pick him next week. Like today, EVERY kick will be to him and he didnt show any indication that it will end. He gave them the ball on first or zero tackle in our 30, 5 times!
 
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357407) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357371) said:
@hank37w said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357324) said:
@jd-tiger said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356359) said:
And Cini drops it in goals, but its alright, half time.

Surely we can't play any worse in second half...


Cini's confidence must be rock bottom now. Not sure if he will be able to get over this and if he doesn't, it won't be long before people on this forum start calling him Sack Cini.

Attack was very poor and too much arm grabbing in defense by this team.

After sitting through that pathetic display out at the ground, I am going to have some beers at home and give the rest of this thread a miss because my mental health just won't allow me to read any more.

Meh , second game stuff . It happens . He will be alright. It happens . You can’t drop him now , just like you couldn’t drop Simpkin last week . He needs a chance to rectify his mistake , as it could do irrevocable damage if we don’t give him the chance .


No way you can pick him next week. Like today, EVERY kick will be to him and he didnt show any indication that it will end. He gave them the ball on first or zero tackle in our 30, 5 times!


But he’s a cult figure!
 
@cktiger said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357389) said:
@leonard-day said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357370) said:
a lot of players can play the game, but not many know how to win a game, they have to be taught by someone who knows what to do at certain times in a game, if know one teaches them, then they will never know, they will keep running around, like a chook with no head on

Let’s hope Hastings can impart his will to win.
Brooks shows all the emotions of a stuffed toy.

No way is Hastings coming to play 13 or 14 ..
I hope he’s still coming ?
 
@kevb said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357310) said:
@inmadgewetrust said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357244) said:
@kevb said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357060) said:
@inmadgewetrust said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356700) said:
@old_man_tiger said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356660) said:
Cini hasn't played in a team this bad since under 7's. We've got to him.

Umm Cini is a huge part of why we’ve been so bad. I would honestly say it’s the worst individual display I’ve ever seen. On par with the infamous Manu Vatuvei game against the Eels many years ago.

I guess you have played rugby yourself, if so I'm sure you maybe had a few shockers yourself, it happens mate. Give him a break it's only his 2nd NRL game. Hopefully he gets a chance to redeem himself

You’re kidding aren’t you? I don’t care if it was his 1st or 400th game. He had a shocker of absolutely epic proportions and made it near impossible for us.

This isn’t under 10’s where everyone gets a go. He absolutely shat the bed like nothing I’ve ever seen before and the consequence of that is that he will probably never play first grade again.

I guess you haven't played too much footy mate. Rave on if it makes you feel good.

Jesus what are you even talking about. What does my footy career have to do what we’re talking about?

Face the facts. I flat out think that Cini’s game today was the worst individual performance I’ve ever seen in first grade. It was absolutely diabolical.

Can he come back from it? Geez I hope so. I have my doubts though. That was an all time shocker. But the reality is he made it very clear he’s not ready.
 
@hobbo1 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357419) said:
@cktiger said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357389) said:
@leonard-day said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357370) said:
a lot of players can play the game, but not many know how to win a game, they have to be taught by someone who knows what to do at certain times in a game, if know one teaches them, then they will never know, they will keep running around, like a chook with no head on

Let’s hope Hastings can impart his will to win.
Brooks shows all the emotions of a stuffed toy.

No way is Hastings coming to play 13 or 14 ..
I hope he’s still coming ?

Id be opening up that cheque book and getting a release ASAP.
Lucky were rich thanks to Pascoe
 
@izotope said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357433) said:
@hobbo1 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357419) said:
@cktiger said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357389) said:
@leonard-day said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357370) said:
a lot of players can play the game, but not many know how to win a game, they have to be taught by someone who knows what to do at certain times in a game, if know one teaches them, then they will never know, they will keep running around, like a chook with no head on

Let’s hope Hastings can impart his will to win.
Brooks shows all the emotions of a stuffed toy.

No way is Hastings coming to play 13 or 14 ..
I hope he’s still coming ?

Id be opening up that cheque book and getting a release ASAP.
Lucky were rich thanks to Pascoe

Pascoe blew 100k on show your scars scarves ?
 
@sydtigerfb said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357330) said:
@tigertragic83 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357322) said:
Think everyone needs to go watch the tries they scored. Mbye needs to go. I know everyone likes to bash brooks, but he wasn't dropping off tackles or shirt grabbing. We have Tommy talau back next week thank God

Mbye was awful. Fingers crossed he is in QLD next year.

Try 2 - mbye is standing 3 kilometres away from his inside man for some inexplicable reason aj runs through a gaping hole titans score

Try 3 mybe comes rushing up and shirt grabs while someone brushes him off. After brushing him off, just stands there doesn't even make an attempt to run back.

He has to go. If he plays another first grade game I'll be shellshocked.

I'd love to see the stats. He has to have had the most missed tackles. He makes benji look
Like a good defender. Yuck
 
@hobbo1 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357436) said:
@izotope said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357433) said:
@hobbo1 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357419) said:
@cktiger said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357389) said:
@leonard-day said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357370) said:
a lot of players can play the game, but not many know how to win a game, they have to be taught by someone who knows what to do at certain times in a game, if know one teaches them, then they will never know, they will keep running around, like a chook with no head on

Let’s hope Hastings can impart his will to win.
Brooks shows all the emotions of a stuffed toy.

No way is Hastings coming to play 13 or 14 ..
I hope he’s still coming ?

Id be opening up that cheque book and getting a release ASAP.
Lucky were rich thanks to Pascoe

Pascoe blew 100k on show your scars scarves ?

Maybe our centres and second rowers could hold up scarves when defending, might help?
 
@bagnf05 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357453) said:
@hobbo1 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357436) said:
@izotope said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357433) said:
@hobbo1 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357419) said:
@cktiger said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357389) said:
@leonard-day said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357370) said:
a lot of players can play the game, but not many know how to win a game, they have to be taught by someone who knows what to do at certain times in a game, if know one teaches them, then they will never know, they will keep running around, like a chook with no head on

Let’s hope Hastings can impart his will to win.
Brooks shows all the emotions of a stuffed toy.

No way is Hastings coming to play 13 or 14 ..
I hope he’s still coming ?

Id be opening up that cheque book and getting a release ASAP.
Lucky were rich thanks to Pascoe

Pascoe blew 100k on show your scars scarves ?

Maybe our centres and second rowers could hold up scarves when defending, might help?

All we want as fans is consistent good footy ..
Show your stripes is a load of bollocks imo
 
@tigerballs said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357403) said:
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357368) said:
@tigerballs said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357300) said:
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357245) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356921) said:
@851 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356897) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356855) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356844) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356819) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356808) said:
@69-05-41 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356788) said:
We came close, at least the happy clappers and Brooks fan boys will be satisfied

I don’t know how you blame brooks for that ? We bombed 3 tries , had Cini drop every kick / let in every trycome his way (he’s a kid in his second game so he gets a pass , but it doesnt take away from the effect) .

What did the star highly paid HB do this game?

Nothing , he was invisible , but he didn’t lose us the game is my point . Our right , again is god damn hopeless defensively .

How many teams with invisible HB’s win? None. Your support is admirable but nonsensical

There are only a couple of these Brooks boys left, god knows what they see when they watch Brooks try play


We lost **36** - 28. We conceded 18 points in 3 sets in 5 minutes.

Luke Brooks made 20 tackles and missed 1.

yeah sure.....Luke Brooks lost this game for us.

Sarcasm aside, this is ridiculous. Luke Brooks hasnt been brilliant this year, but he didnt have a bad game today and didnt lose this game for us. Nofo's defence, Cini gave up the ball 5 times in our 30 on the first tackle, but you guys blame Brooks.

Brooks has had some poor games this year, but this level of obsession means that I can ttake any of your opinions seriously. you dont know Rugba Leag.


There’s a lot of duds in this team but Brooks is the half and therefore the player with most responsibility. His job isn’t to make 20 tackles, it’s to guide the team, build pressure by getting repeat sets and put on a few plays. He doesn’t do any of that. He’s crap. Stop defending him.


Did we score 28 points? with at least two tries disallowed including brooks passes? I wish people would look at the passes that Brooks gives Doueihi to put in him in space. I swear that for some here, if Brooks isnt making line breaks he is crap.


In this simple game of rugby league, one thing that is indisputable is that you can’t score without the ball. The more often you have the football, the more chances you have to score. Having the football more often than the other team also means you have to defend less. It’s mathematical. And simple. Every time we have the football in our possession, we’re not missing tackles or conceding line breaks or leaking points. Every time the opposition has the football the opposite applies. It’s the halfbacks job to maximise the opportunities we have once we have possession AND to maximise the time we are in possession. That is usually the result of wise 5th tackle options and a good kicking game. Brooks, unfortunately, is totally devoid in those two most critical parts of the game. Yes, the rest of the team has a few mistakes in their games that lead to turnovers but Brooks’ failures are a constant.


Re-read your explanation. Then re-read it. Then consider this......

We lost by 8 points.

**Zac Cini gve them the ball on the zero or first tackle, within our 30m, 5 times!!**

I dont think there is anything particularly wrong with your analysis, but Zac Cini's errors far outweigh Brooks supposed shortfalls with regards to giving them the ball ( I can only remember one occasion and it was on the last tackle).

I would add to your analysis that winning games is predominately based on stopping your opposition from scoring. Titans scored 36 points. They scored 18 points in 3 sets in 5 minutes. Brooks missed 1 tackle out of 20 (95% effectiveness).

Based on YOUR analysis. Luke Brooks didnt lose us this game. We win this game and no one is talking about LB.
 
@hobbo1 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357455) said:
@bagnf05 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357453) said:
@hobbo1 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357436) said:
@izotope said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357433) said:
@hobbo1 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357419) said:
@cktiger said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357389) said:
@leonard-day said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357370) said:
a lot of players can play the game, but not many know how to win a game, they have to be taught by someone who knows what to do at certain times in a game, if know one teaches them, then they will never know, they will keep running around, like a chook with no head on

Let’s hope Hastings can impart his will to win.
Brooks shows all the emotions of a stuffed toy.

No way is Hastings coming to play 13 or 14 ..
I hope he’s still coming ?

Id be opening up that cheque book and getting a release ASAP.
Lucky were rich thanks to Pascoe

Pascoe blew 100k on show your scars scarves ?

Maybe our centres and second rowers could hold up scarves when defending, might help?

All we want as fans is consistent good footy ..
Show your stripes is a load of bollocks imo

I want to see the effort we put into the first set after half time, again and again and again. It ended with a forward pass but it was good hard football. I’ve seen it maybe twice all year. These guys are collecting too much money to clock on twice in 2 months.
 
Thread closed. Some people are just incapable of engaging with each other politely it would seem.
 
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