**Live game thread**

[goldcoast_tiger]

Cleary needs Liddle on or I'm pushing the bottom to get off next stop

Whose bottom are you pushing? :smiley:

 

[cktiger]

We just looked like we did everything slower than they did.

Their line speed and PTB was faster than ours all night.

Stats show we completed at 77% (30/39) vs 81% (34/42) and 44% possession.

It felt like it was, penalty, penalty, our ball, our error - their ball, penalty, penalty all second half.

I guess you can't make mistakes if you don't have the ball…

Does anyone know our completion rate and total sets we have in the 2nd half?

By ‘ line speed’ do you mean being offside until the last 10 minutes?

 

[king_sirro]

Liddle and Marshall are 2 of the worst and most selfish players in the comp

What has liddle done?

Every week he kills our attack with the old Robbie style runs. Only done it once tonight but it was a crucial one. He has been horrendous the past month. Needs the year in ISP. He has been rushed into first grade, its not fair on him physically IMO. The big boys destroy him.

I have suspected this for awhile - now you have proven it - You have no idea.

Again, someone who disagrees but makes no attempt to explain why my points about Liddles current game are wrong. Actually, no one has countered any of my issues. There have been a few who have given reasons as to why he isn't going great, and that fair enough. Basically that's all i have done too. Besides criticising his choices to run, I haven't really blamed Jacob. I have said has been rushed. I'm not sure i have ever seen a young kid not yet established, put straight into first grade after 2 shoulder reconstructions. Personally, I think that's unfair on Liddle.

I'm not saying he isn't a good player (I did say that in the live game thread but that was silly emotion talking).

Your a fan boy supporter Russell, you fall in love with someone and then blindly see what no others do. First Lolohea, and since he was proven to be a dud, you jumped on Liddle and take it way too hard when one of your boys is criticised. Jacob has been unfairly treated by Cleary and he has some things he needs to work on. If that upsets you then you need help.

 

[innsaneink]

We just looked like we did everything slower than they did.

Their line speed and PTB was faster than ours all night.

Stats show we completed at 77% (30/39) vs 81% (34/42) and 44% possession.

It felt like it was, penalty, penalty, our ball, our error - their ball, penalty, penalty all second half.

I guess you can't make mistakes if you don't have the ball…

Does anyone know our completion rate and total sets we have in the 2nd half?

By ‘ line speed’ do you mean being offside until the last 10 minutes?

Give away the sin bin early when your blokes still fresh, have a massive dig for 10 then keep being offside for the rest of the game…refs only bin one or two teams twice in a game....You could see what was coming
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Post by innsaneink » Sun 13 May, 2018 1:58 pm
These bastards are worse than Melbourne in being offside at every play.
Be prepared for a very frustrating night from Penrith and whoever the ref is

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Didn't see the first half. The second you could tell they were gassed. Constantly under the pump both with the ball and without. A few pushed passes added more pressure, but we weren't going anywhere. I cant blame the boys for trying. One of those games you just cop and move on. Containing the loss to just 14 was great. A hearty performance albeit a boring and frustrating one. Our for and against is in tact and we're still in the fight. Bring on next week. Carn fellas!!

 

[weststigers]

We just looked like we did everything slower than they did.

Their line speed and PTB was faster than ours all night.

Stats show we completed at 77% (30/39) vs 81% (34/42) and 44% possession.

It felt like it was, penalty, penalty, our ball, our error - their ball, penalty, penalty all second half.

I guess you can't make mistakes if you don't have the ball…

Does anyone know our completion rate and total sets we have in the 2nd half?

By ‘ line speed’ do you mean being offside until the last 10 minutes?

I don't know mate. I couldn't really see that on TV. Do you feel Penrith were offside for 30 minutes of the 2nd half? Is that why we lost?

 

[Russell]

We just looked like we did everything slower than they did.

Their line speed and PTB was faster than ours all night.

Stats show we completed at 77% (30/39) vs 81% (34/42) and 44% possession.

It felt like it was, penalty, penalty, our ball, our error - their ball, penalty, penalty all second half.

I guess you can't make mistakes if you don't have the ball…

Does anyone know our completion rate and total sets we have in the 2nd half?

Well WT it was 18/21 at HT so 12/18 second half , I thought we may have completed 8 or 9 sets at most , but stats are stats

Did you see in the 2nd half when Zelezniak gathers the ball in goal and instead of diving into the field of play he runs 5 meters sideways , gets picked off and forced in goal .

Another set gone down the crapper !

Noffa did the same thing.

 

[Tiger_Gaz]

Why in just about most games are Tigers on the wrong side of the penalty count, are the Tigers that bad? Worst still, Tigers seem to be penalised heavily at critical times during games. Tigers virtually had no ball last night.

 

[Geo]

We just looked like we did everything slower than they did.

Their line speed and PTB was faster than ours all night.

Stats show we completed at 77% (30/39) vs 81% (34/42) and 44% possession.

It felt like it was, penalty, penalty, our ball, our error - their ball, penalty, penalty all second half.

I guess you can't make mistakes if you don't have the ball…

Does anyone know our completion rate and total sets we have in the 2nd half?

By ‘ line speed’ do you mean being offside until the last 10 minutes?

I don't know mate. I couldn't really see that on TV. Do you feel Penrith were offside for 30 minutes of the 2nd half? Is that why we lost?

It is not the reason we lost but I can tell you Penrith were in front and left early on both sides of the ruck as well as not getting back to the ref..esp Fisher-Harris Campbell-Gillard and Harawira-Naera (must be the double barrell's) for the majority of the game….Cummins chose when to penalise and when not too...

 

[Russell]

What has liddle done?

Every week he kills our attack with the old Robbie style runs. Only done it once tonight but it was a crucial one. He has been horrendous the past month. Needs the year in ISP. He has been rushed into first grade, its not fair on him physically IMO. The big boys destroy him.

I have suspected this for awhile - now you have proven it - You have no idea.

Again, someone who disagrees but makes no attempt to explain why my points about Liddles current game are wrong. Actually, no one has countered any of my issues. There have been a few who have given reasons as to why he isn't going great, and that fair enough. Basically that's all i have done too. Besides criticising his choices to run, I haven't really blamed Jacob. I have said has been rushed. I'm not sure i have ever seen a young kid not yet established, put straight into first grade after 2 shoulder reconstructions. Personally, I think that's unfair on Liddle.

I'm not saying he isn't a good player (I did say that in the live game thread but that was silly emotion talking).

Your a fan boy supporter Russell, you fall in love with someone and then blindly see what no others do. First Lolohea, and since he was proven to be a dud, you jumped on Liddle and take it way too hard when one of your boys is criticised. Jacob has been unfairly treated by Cleary and he has some things he needs to work on. If that upsets you then you need help.

More to the point - you get something in your head and then that's it.

I am not a "Fan Boy" - I think I know a good player when I see one. Criticise whomever you like along with everyone else on here as long as it is fair, couldn't care less if you do. What I absolutely hate is unfair criticism and tend to stand up for the people who receive this. If that is being a "Fan Boy" in your eyes, then so be it.

Liddle has had two shoulder reconstructions, yes. Surgery was held off last year because they thought he may not need it. It did not come good. Therefore he was late in having it and late to start the 2018 season. If it was operated on when he stopped playing last year he would have been able to start the 2018 season with everyone else. Obviously Cleary is trying to protect him a bit by not playing him in the run on side. He is a first grader and would learn nothing in ISP, and run the risk of injury just as much in ISP as in the NRL. Why play him in the ISP? You wouldn't, we desperately need him in the NRL (he will play for 80 minutes - his crisp passing, astute darts from DH and his defence (just as good as any other DH we have playing in that position). I think he is a good player - could make the State team in time, give him a go - and that is not in ISP in my opinion.

The other player I am accused of being a "Fan Boy" - have not mentioned his name on here for about two months. That is beside the point. He has been injured and has come back in ISP - fair enough. He's too fat, too out of condition, too slow, can't defend - just some of the lines used over the past few weeks. Totally unfair in my opinion, including your opinion that he is a "Dud". He has a leg injury and could not run so more difficult to get fit. Why then are half the teams picked for the game against the "Dogs" have him in them? Why are they picking a "Dud."

Calling me a "Fan Boy" is just as stupid and unfair as me calling you a "Hater" - although in one of those cases it maybe true.

 

[king_sirro]

Every week he kills our attack with the old Robbie style runs. Only done it once tonight but it was a crucial one. He has been horrendous the past month. Needs the year in ISP. He has been rushed into first grade, its not fair on him physically IMO. The big boys destroy him.

I have suspected this for awhile - now you have proven it - You have no idea.

Again, someone who disagrees but makes no attempt to explain why my points about Liddles current game are wrong. Actually, no one has countered any of my issues. There have been a few who have given reasons as to why he isn't going great, and that fair enough. Basically that's all i have done too. Besides criticising his choices to run, I haven't really blamed Jacob. I have said has been rushed. I'm not sure i have ever seen a young kid not yet established, put straight into first grade after 2 shoulder reconstructions. Personally, I think that's unfair on Liddle.

I'm not saying he isn't a good player (I did say that in the live game thread but that was silly emotion talking).

Your a fan boy supporter Russell, you fall in love with someone and then blindly see what no others do. First Lolohea, and since he was proven to be a dud, you jumped on Liddle and take it way too hard when one of your boys is criticised. Jacob has been unfairly treated by Cleary and he has some things he needs to work on. If that upsets you then you need help.

More to the point - you get something in your head and then that's it.

I am not a "Fan Boy" - I think I know a good player when I see one. Criticise whomever you like along with everyone else on here as long as it is fair, couldn't care less if you do. What I absolutely hate is unfair criticism and tend to stand up for the people who receive this. If that is being a "Fan Boy" in your eyes, then so be it.

Liddle has had two shoulder reconstructions, yes. Surgery was held off last year because they thought he may not need it. It did not come good. Therefore he was late in having it and late to start the 2018 season. If it was operated on when he stopped playing last year he would have been able to start the 2018 season with everyone else. Obviously Cleary is trying to protect him a bit by not playing him in the run on side. He is a first grader and would learn nothing in ISP, and run the risk of injury just as much in ISP as in the NRL. Why play him in the ISP? You wouldn't, we desperately need him in the NRL (he will play for 80 minutes - his crisp passing, astute darts from DH and his defence (just as good as any other DH we have playing in that position). I think he is a good player - could make the State team in time, give him a go - and that is not in ISP in my opinion.

The other player I am accused of being a "Fan Boy" - have not mentioned his name on here for about two months. That is beside the point. He has been injured and has come back in ISP - fair enough. He's too fat, too out of condition, too slow, can't defend - just some of the lines used over the past few weeks. Totally unfair in my opinion, including your opinion that he is a "Dud". He has a leg injury and could not run so more difficult to get fit. Why then are half the teams picked for the game against the "Dogs" have him in them? Why are they picking a "Dud."

Calling me a "Fan Boy" is just as stupid and unfair as me calling you a "Hater" - although in one of those cases it maybe true.

I'm being unfair in your opinion, in my opinion I'm being more then fair in evaluating certain contributions from him. If you believe his choices on when to run and how to run have been good the past month then that's ok, your happy with our roll ins being taken away. I have clearly stated I think he is a good player, just needs time to work on things.

 

[Tigerdave]

Why in just about most games are Tigers on the wrong side of the penalty count, are the Tigers that bad? Worst still, Tigers seem to be penalised heavily at critical times during games. Tigers virtually had no ball last night.

Don't think we are that bad felt like a lot of the 2nd half was more of a square up. A number of the 1st half penalties against he Panthers though we a bit ordinary too, it felt like they were going back to the start of the year, but then didn't worry about it in the 2nd half.

 

[happy_tiger]

What has liddle done?

Every week he kills our attack with the old Robbie style runs. Only done it once tonight but it was a crucial one. He has been horrendous the past month. Needs the year in ISP. He has been rushed into first grade, its not fair on him physically IMO. The big boys destroy him.

I have suspected this for awhile - now you have proven it - You have no idea.

Again, someone who disagrees but makes no attempt to explain why my points about Liddles current game are wrong. Actually, no one has countered any of my issues. There have been a few who have given reasons as to why he isn't going great, and that fair enough. Basically that's all i have done too. Besides criticising his choices to run, I haven't really blamed Jacob. I have said has been rushed. I'm not sure i have ever seen a young kid not yet established, put straight into first grade after 2 shoulder reconstructions. Personally, I think that's unfair on Liddle.

I'm not saying he isn't a good player (I did say that in the live game thread but that was silly emotion talking).

Your a fan boy supporter Russell, you fall in love with someone and then blindly see what no others do. First Lolohea, and since he was proven to be a dud, you jumped on Liddle and take it way too hard when one of your boys is criticised. Jacob has been unfairly treated by Cleary and he has some things he needs to work on. If that upsets you then you need help.

I tried to discuss it last night bud , you seem to have put me on foe :smiley:

 

[happy_tiger]

KS Liddle (well any hooker ) can't just take off if without the right hit up before hand , absolute waste if he does

How often did our back 5 land on the stomach's in the 2nd half and get a quick play the ball

Too many we trying to wrestle and get away an offload , yes it helps our 2nd phase , doesn't help Liddle unless the 2nd phase creates a quick play the ball

The last 10 minutes he got a few chances and looked dangerous with two of his darts

Our completion rate was around 60-65% in the 2nd half at best

The way our back 5 plays isn't the best for any running hooker

Be interesting though once Liddle and Fonua play a few games together though , he is a different beast (excuse the pun ) altogether and I can see Liddle playing off the back of Fonua's charges far more successfully

My other issue is when is someone following Liddle when he does make a charge , Thompson /Brooks and Reynolds when fit should be attached to his bum every time he takes off

Happy with that analysis KS ??

 

[weststigers]

We just looked like we did everything slower than they did.

Their line speed and PTB was faster than ours all night.

Stats show we completed at 77% (30/39) vs 81% (34/42) and 44% possession.

It felt like it was, penalty, penalty, our ball, our error - their ball, penalty, penalty all second half.

I guess you can't make mistakes if you don't have the ball…

Does anyone know our completion rate and total sets we have in the 2nd half?

By ‘ line speed’ do you mean being offside until the last 10 minutes?

I don't know mate. I couldn't really see that on TV. Do you feel Penrith were offside for 30 minutes of the 2nd half? Is that why we lost?

It is not the reason we lost but I can tell you Penrith were in front and left early on both sides of the ruck as well as not getting back to the ref..esp Fisher-Harris Campbell-Gillard and Harawira-Naera (must be the double barrell's) for the majority of the game….Cummins chose when to penalise and when not too...

Yeah we were up against it on a number of fronts last night

 

[hobbo]

We lost the yardage battle and our plodders have hit the wall .

Though lawrence , Twal , eisenhuth , Taylor and sue to a lesser extent are pretty good defenders , they offer nothing with the ball in hand .
We need more grunt !

Our only real attacking options are Marsters and Fonua .

You know your forward pack is bog average is when a hack like James Tamou carves you up ..

 

[king_sirro]

Every week he kills our attack with the old Robbie style runs. Only done it once tonight but it was a crucial one. He has been horrendous the past month. Needs the year in ISP. He has been rushed into first grade, its not fair on him physically IMO. The big boys destroy him.

I have suspected this for awhile - now you have proven it - You have no idea.

Again, someone who disagrees but makes no attempt to explain why my points about Liddles current game are wrong. Actually, no one has countered any of my issues. There have been a few who have given reasons as to why he isn't going great, and that fair enough. Basically that's all i have done too. Besides criticising his choices to run, I haven't really blamed Jacob. I have said has been rushed. I'm not sure i have ever seen a young kid not yet established, put straight into first grade after 2 shoulder reconstructions. Personally, I think that's unfair on Liddle.

I'm not saying he isn't a good player (I did say that in the live game thread but that was silly emotion talking).

Your a fan boy supporter Russell, you fall in love with someone and then blindly see what no others do. First Lolohea, and since he was proven to be a dud, you jumped on Liddle and take it way too hard when one of your boys is criticised. Jacob has been unfairly treated by Cleary and he has some things he needs to work on. If that upsets you then you need help.

I tried to discuss it last night bud , you seem to have put me on foe :smiley:

Russell and the Patriot mate, not you. Both didnt want to offer up actual points. Yourself and Ink made your points which is what should happen, I read them and think "ok, not how I feel but i see why they think it" and move on. But I dont like when posters reply to members with the old "that rubbish, you have no idea" etc etc, at least they should offer why they think your opinion is rubbish if they want act out. You and i disagree on some footy things, likewise Geo and myself, but we say why we disagree, we dont just throw out weak reply's.

 

[king_sirro]

KS Liddle (well any hooker ) can't just take off if without the right hit up before hand , absolute waste if he does

How often did our back 5 land on the stomach's in the 2nd half and get a quick play the ball

Too many we trying to wrestle and get away an offload , yes it helps our 2nd phase , doesn't help Liddle unless the 2nd phase creates a quick play the ball

The last 10 minutes he got a few chances and looked dangerous with two of his darts

Our completion rate was around 60-65% in the 2nd half at best

The way our back 5 plays isn't the best for any running hooker

Be interesting though once Liddle and Fonua play a few games together though , he is a different beast (excuse the pun ) altogether and I can see Liddle playing off the back of Fonua's charges far more successfully

My other issue is when is someone following Liddle when he does make a charge , Thompson /Brooks and Reynolds when fit should be attached to his bum every time he takes off

Happy with that analysis KS ??

He ran last night after we had an incredible set with a huge roll on and still didnt "take off", so what the excuse for that? He is cantering out of dummy half just like Robbie Farah used. His best asset is his speed. All I'm asking if it he's going to run then bloody run fast. No idea why that has caused such an issue. Dont dawdle.

 

[TCL]

We just looked like we did everything slower than they did.

Their line speed and PTB was faster than ours all night.

Stats show we completed at 77% (30/39) vs 81% (34/42) and 44% possession.

It felt like it was, penalty, penalty, our ball, our error - their ball, penalty, penalty all second half.

I guess you can't make mistakes if you don't have the ball…

Does anyone know our completion rate and total sets we have in the 2nd half?

By ‘ line speed’ do you mean being offside until the last 10 minutes?

I don't know mate. I couldn't really see that on TV. Do you feel Penrith were offside for 30 minutes of the 2nd half? Is that why we lost?

The offside is hard to tell on the TV but i think they were given latitude in the second half and the refs were looking to even the penalty count. Penrith were slowing the play down, laying on the tackled player, hands in the ruck and none were pulled up.

 

[Geo]

KS Liddle (well any hooker ) can't just take off if without the right hit up before hand , absolute waste if he does

How often did our back 5 land on the stomach's in the 2nd half and get a quick play the ball

Too many we trying to wrestle and get away an offload , yes it helps our 2nd phase , doesn't help Liddle unless the 2nd phase creates a quick play the ball

The last 10 minutes he got a few chances and looked dangerous with two of his darts

Our completion rate was around 60-65% in the 2nd half at best

The way our back 5 plays isn't the best for any running hooker

Be interesting though once Liddle and Fonua play a few games together though , he is a different beast (excuse the pun ) altogether and I can see Liddle playing off the back of Fonua's charges far more successfully

My other issue is when is someone following Liddle when he does make a charge , Thompson /Brooks and Reynolds when fit should be attached to his bum every time he takes off

Happy with that analysis KS ??

He ran last night after we had an incredible set with a huge roll on and still didnt "take off", so what the excuse for that? He is cantering out of dummy half just like Robbie Farah used. His best asset is his speed. All I'm asking if it he's going to run then bloody run fast. No idea why that has caused such an issue. Dont dawdle.

We commented at the time as it was right in front of us..He tried to pull a Farah…the markers were not square but who cares...play on....Brooks was not happy...