Liverpool development

[GNR4LIFE]

Are you saying there are no supporters and members in Liverpool?

No way, there would be plenty. But at least half the supporter base aren't from there

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Last time i looked though, Livo was Wests Tigers territory. Supporters of teams are all over the shop these days. Its no longer a tribal game.

I completely disagree with your statement. Look at the Manly-Parra game tonight and their rivalry. Even our very own rivalry with Manly. East Vs West. Seems pretty tribal to me..

Why don't Manly leave the old, worn down Brookvale and move an hour across town to play out of ANZ or even SFS ?

I'm not against playing out of Livo, we have to cater for one part of our supporter base. I just don't think it's fair to completely ignore over 50% of our supporter base and pretty much relocate completely. Either 50/50 or somewhere in the middle.

Personally I have never ever been to Liverpool in my 21 years of existence. I would struggle to exert the same amount of passion for a club that completely removes itself from my local area. I grew up following the wests tigers because they were based just down the road from me and thus were my local team. I'd imagine you yourself GNR only follow the tigers because wests was your local team ?

The funny thing is GNR, you're usually one of the forumers complaining about the tigers neglecting the Campbeltown area and now you want them to do the exact same to the inner west just to suit you.

I'm all for the wests tigers moving forward and becoming their own franchise but surely there is a fairer way of going about it.

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Mate, where i have i said that that the club should neglect the Inner West? I haven't even given the thumbs to move to Livo in this thread, all i've done is defend the amount of support they have out here compared to other areas.

 

[Tony33]

I would confidently say at least 50% of the fan base are from the inner west, but in saying that it shouldn't even matter. We hear Mayer and players always talking about the interests of the members and supporters being most important. Going off that, there is no way we will ever completely move out of the inner west.

No ones ever going to be completely happy, thats the nature of a joint venture but we can't completely alienate the majority of supporters.

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[Tony33]

livo is kinda middle of balmain and campbo? 20 mins from campbo and 35 from balmain (depending traffic)… compare that to how far concord is from mcarthur?

Thats the same as saying ANZ is the middle of Balmain and Campbo though. 20 mins from Leichardt and 40 mins from Campbeltown. Except, ANZ is only 10 mins away from another heartland in Ashfield.

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[Tony33]

No way, there would be plenty. But at least half the supporter base aren't from there

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Last time i looked though, Livo was Wests Tigers territory. Supporters of teams are all over the shop these days. Its no longer a tribal game.

I completely disagree with your statement. Look at the Manly-Parra game tonight and their rivalry. Even our very own rivalry with Manly. East Vs West. Seems pretty tribal to me..

Why don't Manly leave the old, worn down Brookvale and move an hour across town to play out of ANZ or even SFS ?

I'm not against playing out of Livo, we have to cater for one part of our supporter base. I just don't think it's fair to completely ignore over 50% of our supporter base and pretty much relocate completely. Either 50/50 or somewhere in the middle.

Personally I have never ever been to Liverpool in my 21 years of existence. I would struggle to exert the same amount of passion for a club that completely removes itself from my local area. I grew up following the wests tigers because they were based just down the road from me and thus were my local team. I'd imagine you yourself GNR only follow the tigers because wests was your local team ?

The funny thing is GNR, you're usually one of the forumers complaining about the tigers neglecting the Campbeltown area and now you want them to do the exact same to the inner west just to suit you.

I'm all for the wests tigers moving forward and becoming their own franchise but surely there is a fairer way of going about it.

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Mate, where i have i said that that the club should neglect the Inner West? I haven't even given the thumbs to move to Livo in this thread, all i've done is defend the amount of support they have out here compared to other areas.

You're right, sorry mate. I jumped the gun (see what i did there :laughing: )

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[Jerry_Seinfeld]

I would confidently say at least 50% of the fan base are from the inner west, but in saying that it shouldn't even matter. We hear Mayer and players always talking about the interests of the members and supporters being most important. Going off that, there is no way we will ever completely move out of the inner west.

No ones ever going to be completely happy, thats the nature of a joint venture but we can't completely alienate the majority of supporters.

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I would confidently say at least 50% WERE from the inner west at some point in time whether they be old magpies or old Balmain but now with the suburban sprawl forever heading more and more west and up the coast our supporters are everywhere.Believe me we have just as many tigers fans west of Parramatta than east of Parramatta.Wests tigers fans are massive in areas such as Blacktown and Liverpool (which are two smallish cities in their own right) aswell as Campbelltown and also up on the Central Coast there is massive Wests tigers support.

 

[gallagher]

I would confidently say at least 50% of the fan base are from the inner west, but in saying that it shouldn't even matter. We hear Mayer and players always talking about the interests of the members and supporters being most important. Going off that, there is no way we will ever completely move out of the inner west.

No ones ever going to be completely happy, thats the nature of a joint venture but we can't completely alienate the majority of supporters.

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I would confidently say at least 50% WERE from the inner west at some point in time whether they be old magpies or old Balmain but now with the suburban sprawl forever heading more and more west and up the coast our supporters are everywhere.Believe me we have just as many tigers fans west of Parramatta than east of Parramatta.Wests tigers fans are massive in areas such as Blacktown and Liverpool (which are two smallish cities in their own right) aswell as Campbelltown and also up on the Central Coast there is massive Wests tigers support.

I agree, I dont think theres one particular area of sydeny that 50% of our fans live. I think were more like souths and saints rather than manly or cronulla.

 

[Tony33]

I would confidently say at least 50% of the fan base are from the inner west, but in saying that it shouldn't even matter. We hear Mayer and players always talking about the interests of the members and supporters being most important. Going off that, there is no way we will ever completely move out of the inner west.

No ones ever going to be completely happy, thats the nature of a joint venture but we can't completely alienate the majority of supporters.

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I would confidently say at least 50% WERE from the inner west at some point in time whether they be old magpies or old Balmain but now with the suburban sprawl forever heading more and more west and up the coast our supporters are everywhere.Believe me we have just as many tigers fans west of Parramatta than east of Parramatta.Wests tigers fans are massive in areas such as Blacktown and Liverpool (which are two smallish cities in their own right) aswell as Campbelltown and also up on the Central Coast there is massive Wests tigers support.

I agree, I dont think theres one particular area of sydeny that 50% of our fans live. I think were more like souths and saints rather than manly or cronulla.

Fair enough, I'm not going to disagree with either of you because in all honesty i was just asuming and making a somewhat educated guess. Regardless though, 2/3 of our heartlands are in the inner-west, there is no way the Wests Tigers can just pack up and move out completely.

Maybe 6 games at the proposed stadium out west and 6 games out of ANZ is the way forward then. At least then we wouldn't have any excuses for poor crowds and memberships in either area. Grounds will be closer to each other (30-40 minutes apart), facilities drastically better and hopefully a clear identity will be forged by the West Tigers in both areas.

I know Mayer has his critics, but from what I've seen from him more recently, he is a pretty smart operator. If the decision is put in he and the current board's hands I'll back them to make the correct decision in the best interest of this great club.

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[innsaneink]

haha ashfield is a heartland???

Its 2015…not '78

 

[tig_prmz]

livo is kinda middle of balmain and campbo? 20 mins from campbo and 35 from balmain (depending traffic)… compare that to how far concord is from mcarthur?

Thats the same as saying ANZ is the middle of Balmain and Campbo though. 20 mins from Leichardt and 40 mins from Campbeltown. Except, ANZ is only 10 mins away from another heartland in Ashfield.

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i thought we were talking about a training base?

the liverpool stadium is 10 years down the track. we need a new training facility NEXT YEAR and from what i can see, liverpool is the best area to expand WT to.

livo isnt exactly wests/balmain territory yet.. dogs/eels/penrith are almost as much supported as tigers.

 

[Tony33]

livo is kinda middle of balmain and campbo? 20 mins from campbo and 35 from balmain (depending traffic)… compare that to how far concord is from mcarthur?

Thats the same as saying ANZ is the middle of Balmain and Campbo though. 20 mins from Leichardt and 40 mins from Campbeltown. Except, ANZ is only 10 mins away from another heartland in Ashfield.

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i thought we were talking about a training base?

the liverpool stadium is 10 years down the track. we need a new training facility NEXT YEAR and from what i can see, liverpool is the best area to expand WT to.

livo isnt exactly wests/balmain territory yet.. dogs/eels/penrith are almost as much supported as tigers.

A new and improved training base out of Liverpool would be ideal. Give the people of south-west Sydney a reason to call the tigers their very own. It could only benefit the tigers in the long run as well. Where we play our 'home' games though is another can of worms completely..

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[Snake]

The Weststigers supporter base is wide and varied , Wests /Balmain 100yrs each then merge and you get a hybrid of a supporter base .There is a strong inner city base but reality is the supporter base of the Tigers would be spread far and wide ,I do not think there would be one particular area that the supporter base is larger than the other .
If you are a sydney team these days trying to be as central in the sydney basin would be the ideal, it is like the debate over ANZ/ ALLIANZ why on earth would you want your main stadium in the city area as we all know getting there is a nightmare ,ANZ demergraphic heart of the city train to the door and central to the population of your city.
I feel that Liverpool would be an ideal site for a home for our club as it would be pretty central to the supporter base of Sydney even though it is only talk of a training facility at this stage ,the sooner this is sorted the better as the club has to move forward with modern facilities and maybe a future stadium for our team…at the moment the Tigers are in no mans land and time to put the STACKS down.

 

[magpiecol]

We have also to consider the FUTURE fans for our club. There is massive development going on in Liverpool, Campbelltown and surrounds and between Liverpool and Camden is mindblowing.

Somewhere out Liverpool/Campbelltown way should set the club up for the future.

 

[cqtiger]

I would confidently say at least 50% of the fan base are from the inner west, but in saying that it shouldn't even matter. We hear Mayer and players always talking about the interests of the members and supporters being most important. Going off that, there is no way we will ever completely move out of the inner west.

No ones ever going to be completely happy, thats the nature of a joint venture but we can't completely alienate the majority of supporters.

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I would confidently say at least 50% WERE from the inner west at some point in time whether they be old magpies or old Balmain but now with the suburban sprawl forever heading more and more west and up the coast our supporters are everywhere.Believe me we have just as many tigers fans west of Parramatta than east of Parramatta.Wests tigers fans are massive in areas such as Blacktown and Liverpool (which are two smallish cities in their own right) aswell as Campbelltown and also up on the Central Coast there is massive Wests tigers support.

Jerry, that is my point. WTs have fans and supporters all over the country not just outer Sydney. The sad fact is the majority of "members" won't travel too far.

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[balmain boy]

As a training base, fine. As long as the facilities are good i couldn't care less where they train. Playing games there would be a huge risk though. Leaving both our 'heartlands' wouldn't be a wise move.

Smiths back flip on stadiums sure makes things interesting though. He's gone from wanting the SFS to be upgraded to a 60k stadium and all Sydney clubs to be based in either the SFS or ANZ, to wanting lots of little 20k stadiums to promote a better atmosphere and fan engagement.

With football also putting in dibs for better stadiums, and Parra somewhat guaranteed to be upgraded significantly it will be interesting where the money goes.

he never said he wants lots of little 20k stadiums?

he said he doesnt want empty caverns. which means a stadium about 1.5-2x its average crowd. so probably around 35-40k since he should be aiming for 25k at a new stadium. ANZ is 22-23k atm

Well he said he wants sold out smaller venues. Which implies suburban grounds not ANZ/Allianz which never sell out.

Average crowds are about 13-14k, playing in 44/84k stadiums will always make fans feel a bit un-enthused due to a lack of atmosphere.

His original plan was to increase Allianz to 60-65k, which opposes his "sold out smaller grounds" quote.

 

[pHyR3]

As a training base, fine. As long as the facilities are good i couldn't care less where they train. Playing games there would be a huge risk though. Leaving both our 'heartlands' wouldn't be a wise move.

Smiths back flip on stadiums sure makes things interesting though. He's gone from wanting the SFS to be upgraded to a 60k stadium and all Sydney clubs to be based in either the SFS or ANZ, to wanting lots of little 20k stadiums to promote a better atmosphere and fan engagement.

With football also putting in dibs for better stadiums, and Parra somewhat guaranteed to be upgraded significantly it will be interesting where the money goes.

he never said he wants lots of little 20k stadiums?

he said he doesnt want empty caverns. which means a stadium about 1.5-2x its average crowd. so probably around 35-40k since he should be aiming for 25k at a new stadium. ANZ is 22-23k atm

Well he said he wants sold out smaller venues. Which implies suburban grounds not ANZ/Allianz which never sell out.

Average crowds are about 13-14k, playing in 44/84k stadiums will always make fans feel a bit un-enthused due to a lack of atmosphere.

His original plan was to increase Allianz to 60-65k, which opposes his "sold out smaller grounds" quote.

just cause he doesnt want to play in an 83,000 white elephant does not mean he wants to return to suburban grounds.

the average crowd is 16k, 17.5k including finals. he wants that to get to 20k, so played in a 30k stadium.

but you still need a bigger stadium (Allianz) for GFs, SOO and big local derbys that pull 40-60k.

the government already said subruban grounds will not be receiving further funding (at least from a state level). trust me, he will be roofing anz/allianz and/or building a new roofed stadium of around 30-40k

 

[Blackpearl]

really reckon this is " pie in the sky " stuff generated by the local mayor as a stepping stone to furthering his own personal political ambition. this is not the only thougfht bubble being thrown out there by the local mayor.
it wont happen

 

[Abraham]

We need a new training and admin base within the next 12 months if the news reports are true.

This whole Liverpool development, if it ever gets off the ground, wont be built this decade.

And if the club admin are doing their jobs, they should already have a shortlist of potential locations that the club can move into next year, and Liverpool will not be on that Shortlist.

 

[Basil_Tiger]

Press release from Balmain today saying that may have to go into voluntary liquidation,recent Council decision re the development of the old Leagues club site makes a return almost impossible so a major clustermess ahead.

http://tigers.org.au/index.php/press-release-2/#.VP0D4NKUdNF

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Press release from Balmain today saying that may have to go into voluntary liquidation,recent Council decision re the development of the old Leagues club site makes a return almost impossible so a major clustermess ahead.

http://tigers.org.au/index.php/press-release-2/#.VP0D4NKUdNF

Marina Go said last week there were a few areas pushing to have the club come there and use as a training base. Livo was one of them and was one of the ones pushing the hardest along with Cambo. If the state of the Leagues club fiasco makes it difficult to set up a base in the inner west, maybe Cambo could be a short term solution till if and when Livo gets up and running

 

[Spartan117]

I tell you guys if there was a stadium with Shelter, good rail access and good parking my family of 7 would attend a truck load more games.

We are not looking for mega cheap prices, just value and a day that is conducive to taking the 5 kids.

Cambo to exposed, Liechardt is to difficult

I would stongly support this development in a massive growth area of the Sydney Metro

Imagine Liverpool through to Cambo as well os parts of he inner west all Tigers obsessed, we could have a fanbase that would rival Newcastle and brisbane