Liverpool Home Ground?

Why even have one home ground? Why not just make use of existing home grounds of other Sydney clubs. Play the Sydney teams at random locations. We tend to classify ourselves as an all of Sydney Club. Play out of Sydney teams at BankWest. Play Cronulla in Penrith. Play Manly In Kogarah. Play Parramatta at the SCG. Etc, etc. Good way to improve our spread of our fan base. Couldn’t be any worse off.

But In all seriousness. Id be fine with BankWest. Just play the Slimes at Leichhardt and Bulldogs at Campbelltown when it’s our home game!
 
Here's all the 'Home Grounds" we've used since the joint venture was immaculately conceived.
I've ranked them purely based on win record vs games played at each venue.
Good to see our traditional homes have the best win percentage...



**Leichhardt Oval (2000–)**: 83 Played; 48 Wins, 34 Losses, 1 Draw **(57.8% win record)**

**Campbelltown Sports Stadium (2000–)**: 83 Played; 37 Wins, 45 Losses, 1 Draw **(44.5% win record)**

**ANZ Stadium (2005–2008, 2014–2018)**: 85 Played; 36 Wins, 49 Losses **(42.3% win record)**

**Allianz Stadium (2009–2013)**: 42 Played; 16 Wins, 26 Losses **(38% win record)**

**Sydney Cricket Ground (2008–)**: 8 Played; 3 Wins, 5 Losses **(37.5% win record)**

**Bankwest Stadium (2019–)**: 11 Played; 4 Wins, 7 Losses **(36.3% win record)**
 
@Aesopian said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1208913) said:
Here's all the 'Home Grounds" we've used since the joint venture was immaculately conceived.
I've ranked them purely based on win record vs games played at each venue.
Good to see our traditional homes have the best win percentage...



**Leichhardt Oval (2000–)**: 83 Played; 48 Wins, 34 Losses, 1 Draw **(57.8% win record)**

**Campbelltown Sports Stadium (2000–)**: 83 Played; 37 Wins, 45 Losses, 1 Draw **(44.5% win record)**

**ANZ Stadium (2005–2008, 2014–2018)**: 85 Played; 36 Wins, 49 Losses **(42.3% win record)**

**Allianz Stadium (2009–2013)**: 42 Played; 16 Wins, 26 Losses **(38% win record)**

**Sydney Cricket Ground (2008–)**: 8 Played; 3 Wins, 5 Losses **(37.5% win record)**

**Bankwest Stadium (2019–)**: 11 Played; 4 Wins, 7 Losses **(36.3% win record)**


Very surprising the amount played at LO & CSS. After Saturday, almost the most games at LO. I would have thought ANZ would be a long way ahead.
 
Watching NRL 360 they celebrated the 48 metre field goal MAGPIES PLAYER ANDREW WILLIS kick to steal the game from the MIGHTY BEARS 23 - 22 it was an almighty kick.Ben Ikin passed a comment that he had played in that game and all he could say was it was along wag to go to get beat that what need to build a fear in other teams that have to travel to our home ground to get beat CSS doesn't necessarily have to be that ground but Liverpool would be just as good
 
@Aesopian said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1208913) said:
Here's all the 'Home Grounds" we've used since the joint venture was immaculately conceived.
I've ranked them purely based on win record vs games played at each venue.
Good to see our traditional homes have the best win percentage...



**Leichhardt Oval (2000–)**: 83 Played; 48 Wins, 34 Losses, 1 Draw **(57.8% win record)**

**Campbelltown Sports Stadium (2000–)**: 83 Played; 37 Wins, 45 Losses, 1 Draw **(44.5% win record)**

**ANZ Stadium (2005–2008, 2014–2018)**: 85 Played; 36 Wins, 49 Losses **(42.3% win record)**

**Allianz Stadium (2009–2013)**: 42 Played; 16 Wins, 26 Losses **(38% win record)**

**Sydney Cricket Ground (2008–)**: 8 Played; 3 Wins, 5 Losses **(37.5% win record)**

**Bankwest Stadium (2019–)**: 11 Played; 4 Wins, 7 Losses **(36.3% win record)**

Do you know our record at Allianze as a home ground?
 
@gallagher said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1209223) said:
@Aesopian said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1208913) said:
Here's all the 'Home Grounds" we've used since the joint venture was immaculately conceived.
I've ranked them purely based on win record vs games played at each venue.
Good to see our traditional homes have the best win percentage...



**Leichhardt Oval (2000–)**: 83 Played; 48 Wins, 34 Losses, 1 Draw **(57.8% win record)**

**Campbelltown Sports Stadium (2000–)**: 83 Played; 37 Wins, 45 Losses, 1 Draw **(44.5% win record)**

**ANZ Stadium (2005–2008, 2014–2018)**: 85 Played; 36 Wins, 49 Losses **(42.3% win record)**

**Allianz Stadium (2009–2013)**: 42 Played; 16 Wins, 26 Losses **(38% win record)**

**Sydney Cricket Ground (2008–)**: 8 Played; 3 Wins, 5 Losses **(37.5% win record)**

**Bankwest Stadium (2019–)**: 11 Played; 4 Wins, 7 Losses **(36.3% win record)**

Do you know our record at Allianze as a home ground?

38%
 
@gallagher said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1209223) said:
@Aesopian said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1208913) said:
Here's all the 'Home Grounds" we've used since the joint venture was immaculately conceived.
I've ranked them purely based on win record vs games played at each venue.
Good to see our traditional homes have the best win percentage...



**Leichhardt Oval (2000–)**: 83 Played; 48 Wins, 34 Losses, 1 Draw **(57.8% win record)**

**Campbelltown Sports Stadium (2000–)**: 83 Played; 37 Wins, 45 Losses, 1 Draw **(44.5% win record)**

**ANZ Stadium (2005–2008, 2014–2018)**: 85 Played; 36 Wins, 49 Losses **(42.3% win record)**

**Allianz Stadium (2009–2013)**: 42 Played; 16 Wins, 26 Losses **(38% win record)**

**Sydney Cricket Ground (2008–)**: 8 Played; 3 Wins, 5 Losses **(37.5% win record)**

**Bankwest Stadium (2019–)**: 11 Played; 4 Wins, 7 Losses **(36.3% win record)**

Do you know our record at Allianze as a home ground?

Allianz Stadium (**Home Games Only** 2009–2013): 21 Played; 9 Wins, 12 Losses (42.8% win record)

soz @cochise hahahahahaha
 
@Aesopian said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1209243) said:
@gallagher said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1209223) said:
@Aesopian said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1208913) said:
Here's all the 'Home Grounds" we've used since the joint venture was immaculately conceived.
I've ranked them purely based on win record vs games played at each venue.
Good to see our traditional homes have the best win percentage...



**Leichhardt Oval (2000–)**: 83 Played; 48 Wins, 34 Losses, 1 Draw **(57.8% win record)**

**Campbelltown Sports Stadium (2000–)**: 83 Played; 37 Wins, 45 Losses, 1 Draw **(44.5% win record)**

**ANZ Stadium (2005–2008, 2014–2018)**: 85 Played; 36 Wins, 49 Losses **(42.3% win record)**

**Allianz Stadium (2009–2013)**: 42 Played; 16 Wins, 26 Losses **(38% win record)**

**Sydney Cricket Ground (2008–)**: 8 Played; 3 Wins, 5 Losses **(37.5% win record)**

**Bankwest Stadium (2019–)**: 11 Played; 4 Wins, 7 Losses **(36.3% win record)**

Do you know our record at Allianze as a home ground?

Allianz Stadium (**Home Games Only** 2009–2013): 21 Played; 9 Wins, 12 Losses (42.8% win record)

soz @cochise hahahahahaha

All good mate, I wasn't paying enough attention when I posted lol
 
NOW THIS IS A FOOTBALL STADIUM

https://coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/nfl/its-nicknamed-the-death-star-and-cost-a-whopping-26-billion-inside-badass-new-stadium/news-story/8fc8814faac3a547af24d0ec88e07bcf
 
@Elderslie_Tiger said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1236554) said:
NOW THIS IS A FOOTBALL STADIUM

https://coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/nfl/its-nicknamed-the-death-star-and-cost-a-whopping-26-billion-inside-badass-new-stadium/news-story/8fc8814faac3a547af24d0ec88e07bcf

Did you see the rectangular stadium proposed for Adelaide? Very innovative.
 
@Elderslie_Tiger said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1236554) said:
NOW THIS IS A FOOTBALL STADIUM

https://coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/nfl/its-nicknamed-the-death-star-and-cost-a-whopping-26-billion-inside-badass-new-stadium/news-story/8fc8814faac3a547af24d0ec88e07bcf

Man, that looks great.
 
@Elderslie_Tiger said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1236730) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1236686) said:
awesome makes Vegas an even better destination gambling ice hockey and nfl

All they need know is MLB team


I was shocked to learn today that the LA/Oakland Raiders are now in Vegas
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1236731) said:
@Elderslie_Tiger said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1236730) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1236686) said:
awesome makes Vegas an even better destination gambling ice hockey and nfl

All they need know is MLB team


I was shocked to learn today that the LA/Oakland Raiders are now in Vegas

If you wait long enough they will eventually end up in New York.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1236731) said:
@Elderslie_Tiger said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1236730) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1236686) said:
awesome makes Vegas an even better destination gambling ice hockey and nfl

All they need know is MLB team


I was shocked to learn today that the LA/Oakland Raiders are now in Vegas

And Los Angeles now has the LA Chargers and LA Rams
 
@jirskyr said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1207696) said:
@gallagher said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1207233) said:
@jirskyr said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1207145) said:
@gallagher said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1205402) said:
I’m just of the belief that playing at the one ground 12 times a years gives the players familiarity and a real home ground advantage. What’s the advantage of three home grounds?

It's an interesting question. If you have 3 home grounds, why can't they be all as "home groundy" as each other? Is there any particular reason why you cannot develop more than one "fortress"?

And on the other hand, if you end up choosing just 1 home ground that is shared by other clubs, e.g. ANZ or BankWest, can you truly make it a fortress? There will be other clubs that might play there, be just as "familiar" with it as you are.

How could anything feel familiar if you only play there 3 times a year?

I only visit my in-laws once every 2 or 3 years, because they live overseas, but very familiar when I do, because they haven't moved.

But I'm not saying it's definitive, I just asked the question, is there such a difference between 3 matches or 4 matches or 12 matches? Why can't you feel advantaged at more than 1 location? The Origin teams only play at home twice max per year, and for many of those players it's not their club home ground, yet there's a real advantage when you can max out the crowd and get as one-sided as possible, with real passionate fan noise.

I would probably argue that a fortress is a location you don't share with any other clubs and which has special characteristics that make it difficult or uncomfortable for visiting teams. Not just the fact you can win games, but a very definite advantage of the location where you are.

For example Leichhardt, at one point we had quite a good win rate there (which I think, without checking the stats, has been evaporated in recent years). And theoretically you could make Leichhardt a "fortress" because it does have some characteristics that could un-nerve visiting teams, e.g. antiquated facilities, very close parochial crowd etc. But Balmain played at LO every 2nd week during the 90s and it meant diddly-squat when our roster was so below average. Manly had Brookie as a fortress when they were a good side, but the past couple of years, not so much.

The alternative for WT specifically is a shared centralised ground, which I argue would probably never be able to be made a fortress, simply because it's shared.

The likely common denominator on home-ground advantage for Sydney teams is probably the crowd. Especially as we've already seen home-ground advantages disappear during COVID, with minimal crowds. So as long as you can get your crowd large and local, that might be the major consideration, not which suburb you are in.

Or to put it another way - are Tigers unsuccessful because of multiple home grounds? It's a fair argument to say a single home ground wouldn't hurt, yet in 2005, 2010, 2011 the multiple home grounds didn't matter at all. Why is that? Broncos have had a poor past decade of results, by their own standards, and they have one of the few clear "fortresses" in the league.

So it makes me think we probably need to focus more on the roster itself and our weekly on-field output, stability in the coaching and management, before we worry so much about the grounds.

Not that I'm against a single home ground, I'll still sign up if that's the decision we make in 2 years. Probable main issue there is the unknown landscape post-COVID of the stadia plan, with only the SFS guaranteed now.

Another well written and thoughtful post @jirskyr.
No spelling errors that I noticed and commas etc. in the right places all make it so much easier and enjoyable to read.
Thank You.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1236731) said:
@Elderslie_Tiger said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1236730) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Liverpool Home Ground?](/post/1236686) said:
awesome makes Vegas an even better destination gambling ice hockey and nfl

All they need know is MLB team


I was shocked to learn today that the LA/Oakland Raiders are now in Vegas

If you build it they will come.
A similar ‘opal’ stadium awaits our relocation.
 
Funding for new local football stadiums including at Kogarah, and the intention to push ahead with already announced grounds, will be a key part of the state budget.

A suburban football grounds plan to build boutique stadiums in the suburbs is shaping as a key plank of the NSW budget.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal the government will announce funding for planning a local stadium at Kogarah, and will foreshadow intention to push ahead with stadiums at Brookvale, Liverpool and Penrith, in this month’s state budget as part of its plan to drive jobs and growth in the economy through fast construction opportunities.

The November 17 state budget is expected to include planning funding for the Kogarah stadium, with an expectation funding will be increased in the following financial year, alongside a vision for the full suite of suburban stadiums.

The stadiums, expected to be in the 18,000 to 20,000 seat capacity range, would not only drive suburban-based sport and be used by major clubs, but they would also be made available for use for community projects such as fairs, markets, concerts or Christmas carols.

One plan under consideration is to build one boutique stadium per year, although it is understood the NRL is keen for any program to be accelerated to capitalise on the need to kickstart the state’s economy.

The government is planning the budget commitments with the knowledge that there will be three budgets in quick succession - this year’s budget on November 17, a half-year update in February and then the 21/22 budget in June.

Local councils have presented a plan to the government that costs the boutique stadium for Kogarah at approximately $200m.

The decision comes months after the government’s razor gang decided to walk away from the planned ANZ stadium rebuild on the back of the economic crisis of COVID 19.

It is understood that following this, the NRL continued to sell the suburban grounds proposal to the government.

Senior government figures also supported the suburban grounds concept, arguing that smaller projects which were screwdriver-ready and could be delivered more quickly also met the criteria of boosting the COVID-riddled economy.

They described the proposals as akin to “mini Bankwest stadiums”, referencing the highly popular 30,000 seat stadium opened in Parramatta in 2019.

In July, when announcing the ANZ rebuild was scrapped, Treasurer Dominic Perrottet said: “smaller could Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon bigger in a COVID world”.

Under the plan, Kogarah Oval would be shared by the Dragons, the Sharks and possibly Sydney FC.

Brookvale could be shared by the Manly Sea Eagles, and rugby union clubs the Manly Marlins and Warringah Rats.

Liverpool would be used by the Tigers and the Bulldogs.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nsw-budget-new-suburban-football-grounds-to-be-built/news-story/b57b64aec3c5d32f3e756f9ce3887917
 
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