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[old_man_tiger]

Instead of all the theories that he doesn't want to do this or that and is lazy, maybe he was out of form, found form for a rare rep game and will come back to isp in better touch. This is what we should hope for, so if we need him in firsts he is ready. So much hate for a stranger is bad for your blood pressure (Anasta excluded).

I do agree omt,I also suspect that the knee injury was worse than anticipated and he came back from injury to early…Iam prepared to give the guy the rest of the season to produce some of the x factor he is reputed to have before I cull him completely from my list of talented players...

Yes, and with our recent recruitment the spine is a lot healthier, with CT next in line for fullback and josh and Benji fighting it out for the 6/14\. It will be a bonus if Tui finds form, but we are no longer desperate for it.

 

[old_man_tiger]

Instead of all the theories that he doesn't want to do this or that and is lazy, maybe he was out of form, found form for a rare rep game and will come back to isp in better touch. This is what we should hope for, so if we need him in firsts he is ready. So much hate for a stranger is bad for your blood pressure (Anasta excluded).

6 and 1 are very different.

With his size coming into season and 3 months to turn into a full back was always going to be hard

Agree with you about position, talking more about perception of his attitude and hammering a bloke who plays for your club when he has already been hooked 2 or 3 times due to injury and not delivering.

 

[Harvey]

I hope not! I like Tui, besides what do we get out of swapping him for Moses? Still paying close to 700k for Moses. Doesn't make sense

Agreed. Look 700K for Clint Gutherson or someone who has a good fullback record I can agree with.
Mbye, totally don't get this at all. I suspect Reynolds is up selling him. If so I am starting to turn against Reynolds.

I get it, we needed an upgrade at Fullback, we need the speed and security of a good defender.
I don't get Mbye. This player has been crap at the dogs, just because he looks "wow" when the team is 15th does not mean he is a good player. It's like were upgrading a Mitsubishi Mirage for a Holden Barina!

Agree. IT is Tui take 2, he is going to make a great fullback. Completely unproven. The gem in the dogs attack that cannot score a point. Was not a top rate half, but because he is quick, will relish the open spaces of fullback. I hope he works out otherwise we have committed a fair chunk of our cap for the next 4 years. Him and Reynolds are about 15% of out cap gone for the next 3 years.

Add Packer and Matulino & that is about 25% of the cap. Can you build a winning team around this backbone, with no money left for marquee signings, or 8 of your squad on minimum wages?

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Somewhat tonga still have to have game management which was evident when they were kicking and giving 7 tackle set they were getting scored against as they were tired. Tui kicks were good perhaps needs to take more control of that for tonga.

He played well , I said as much in live game thread last night

But playing behind the Tonga pack and playing behind the Tigers pack is chalk and cheese

How come our halves get crap put on them all the time then..?

Benji does because he isn't following the game plan and doesn't stay calm and goes for the low percentage play , vintage Benji

Brooks has gone better than I expected this season , but has finally worked out his running game should be his 1st option

But what worries me , will Farah listen to Brooks or go to his old faithful Benji

And you know yourself what happened with Miller , Geo , they basically ignored him until Sheens dropped him

Brooks definetly in same category as benji

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Instead of all the theories that he doesn't want to do this or that and is lazy, maybe he was out of form, found form for a rare rep game and will come back to isp in better touch. This is what we should hope for, so if we need him in firsts he is ready. So much hate for a stranger is bad for your blood pressure (Anasta excluded).

6 and 1 are very different.

With his size coming into season and 3 months to turn into a full back was always going to be hard

Agree with you about position, talking more about perception of his attitude and hammering a bloke who plays for your club when he has already been hooked 2 or 3 times due to injury and not delivering.

But would he delivered at 6 is my point.

 

[happy_tiger]

He played well , I said as much in live game thread last night

But playing behind the Tonga pack and playing behind the Tigers pack is chalk and cheese

How come our halves get crap put on them all the time then..?

Benji does because he isn't following the game plan and doesn't stay calm and goes for the low percentage play , vintage Benji

Brooks has gone better than I expected this season , but has finally worked out his running game should be his 1st option

But what worries me , will Farah listen to Brooks or go to his old faithful Benji

And you know yourself what happened with Miller , Geo , they basically ignored him until Sheens dropped him

Brooks definetly in same category as benji

You have to be joking Marshall may have had 3 acceptable games this season

Brooks for me had probably had 3 below par games this season , mainly due to the forward pack getting squashed like bugs

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

How come our halves get crap put on them all the time then..?

Benji does because he isn't following the game plan and doesn't stay calm and goes for the low percentage play , vintage Benji

Brooks has gone better than I expected this season , but has finally worked out his running game should be his 1st option

But what worries me , will Farah listen to Brooks or go to his old faithful Benji

And you know yourself what happened with Miller , Geo , they basically ignored him until Sheens dropped him

Brooks definetly in same category as benji

You have to be joking Marshall may have had 3 acceptable games this season

Brooks for me had probably had 3 below par games this season , mainly due to the forward pack getting squashed like bugs

His not playing the 80 we getting smashed second half.

His not game managing second half.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

I think last night's game showed Tui is a better 5/8 than FB.

 

[Balmainian]

Tui didn't have a bad game for Tonga against Samoa. I definitely think five eighth is his best position.

That's the problem I guess , hard not to look great I guess when your playing with all the space that Taumalolo ,Fifita ,Taukehau etc create

Somewhat tonga still have to have game management which was evident when they were kicking and giving 7 tackle set they were getting scored against as they were tired. Tui kicks were good perhaps needs to take more control of that for tonga.

He was poor in defence.

 

[happy_tiger]

Benji does because he isn't following the game plan and doesn't stay calm and goes for the low percentage play , vintage Benji

Brooks has gone better than I expected this season , but has finally worked out his running game should be his 1st option

But what worries me , will Farah listen to Brooks or go to his old faithful Benji

And you know yourself what happened with Miller , Geo , they basically ignored him until Sheens dropped him

Brooks definetly in same category as benji

You have to be joking Marshall may have had 3 acceptable games this season

Brooks for me had probably had 3 below par games this season , mainly due to the forward pack getting squashed like bugs

His not playing the 80 we getting smashed second half.

His not game managing second half.

I think our missed tackles are controlling the 2nd halves , Brooks apart from last week hasn't been an issue in that

8 misses wasn't good agreed

 

[jadtiger]

Brooks definetly in same category as benji

You have to be joking Marshall may have had 3 acceptable games this season

Brooks for me had probably had 3 below par games this season , mainly due to the forward pack getting squashed like bugs

His not playing the 80 we getting smashed second half.

His not game managing second half.

I think our missed tackles are controlling the 2nd halves , Brooks apart from last week hasn't been an issue in that

8 misses wasn't good agreed

Missing 8 tackles wasnt good but at least he was trying to make them,some of our more experienced and bigger players didnt even go through the motions of trying to tackle.I am not defending Brooks but he was far from the problem

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

Somewhat tonga still have to have game management which was evident when they were kicking and giving 7 tackle set they were getting scored against as they were tired. Tui kicks were good perhaps needs to take more control of that for tonga.

He played well , I said as much in live game thread last night

But playing behind the Tonga pack and playing behind the Tigers pack is chalk and cheese

How come our halves get crap put on them all the time then..?

**Benji does because he isn't following the game plan and doesn't stay calm and goes for the low percentage play** , vintage Benji

Brooks has gone better than I expected this season , but has finally worked out his running game should be his 1st option

But what worries me , **will Farah listen to Brooks or go to his old faithful Benji**

And you know yourself what happened with Miller , Geo , they basically ignored him until Sheens dropped him

You are Kidding me!!

Seriously, Benji has been well composed since coming back
He has rarely made mistakes compared to his impromptu days when he was younger

And you are already making assumptions about Farah

You sound like a typical bitter ex.. Everyone is guilty by your summary

 

[Russell]

I took particular notice of Tui last night - and it became obvious amongst all the good things that he did - he had a problem (same problem he has had for the Tigers the last few games at least).

That problem is tackling low, something that he can do very well, especially in cover defence. Tackling low is just not in his game at the moment, why?

Is it something to do with the knee or some other injury he is carrying?

I know there are plenty ready to rubbish him (forget that for the moment and be serious) It is totally out of character for him.

As for nor having a heart, being afraid to run to the line - load of rubbish.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Brooks definetly in same category as benji

You have to be joking Marshall may have had 3 acceptable games this season

Brooks for me had probably had 3 below par games this season , mainly due to the forward pack getting squashed like bugs

His not playing the 80 we getting smashed second half.

His not game managing second half.

I think our missed tackles are controlling the 2nd halves , Brooks apart from last week hasn't been an issue in that

8 misses wasn't good agreed

Against sharks it was books kicking game. His nowhere near the 80 minute player u view him as imo. He cant control the 80 and benji been helping with tha5 when his playing well.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

I took particular notice of Tui last night - and it became obvious amongst all the good things that he did - he had a problem (same problem he has had for the Tigers the last few games at least).

That problem is tackling low, something that he can do very well, especially in cover defence. Tackling low is just not in his game at the moment, why?

Is it something to do with the knee or some other injury he is carrying?

I know there are plenty ready to rubbish him (forget that for the moment and be serious) It is totally out of character for him.

As for nor having a heart, being afraid to run to the line - load of rubbish.

Great post.

 

[old_man_tiger]

Instead of all the theories that he doesn't want to do this or that and is lazy, maybe he was out of form, found form for a rare rep game and will come back to isp in better touch. This is what we should hope for, so if we need him in firsts he is ready. So much hate for a stranger is bad for your blood pressure (Anasta excluded).

6 and 1 are very different.

With his size coming into season and 3 months to turn into a full back was always going to be hard

Agree with you about position, talking more about perception of his attitude and hammering a bloke who plays for your club when he has already been hooked 2 or 3 times due to injury and not delivering.

But would he delivered at 6 is my point.

I'm with you now. I guess with Reynolds and Marshall Ivan saw a different need?

 

[851]

I took particular notice of Tui last night - and it became obvious amongst all the good things that he did - he had a problem (same problem he has had for the Tigers the last few games at least).

That problem is tackling low, something that he can do very well, especially in cover defence. Tackling low is just not in his game at the moment, why?

Is it something to do with the knee or some other injury he is carrying?

I know there are plenty ready to rubbish him (forget that for the moment and be serious) It is totally out of character for him.

As for nor having a heart, being afraid to run to the line - load of rubbish.

Well that is what I have seen from him in a Weststigers jumper the last month, not interested on top of what you mentioned

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

You have to be joking Marshall may have had 3 acceptable games this season

Brooks for me had probably had 3 below par games this season , mainly due to the forward pack getting squashed like bugs

His not playing the 80 we getting smashed second half.

His not game managing second half.

I think our missed tackles are controlling the 2nd halves , Brooks apart from last week hasn't been an issue in that

8 misses wasn't good agreed

Missing 8 tackles wasnt good but at least he was trying to make them,some of our more experienced and bigger players didnt even go through the motions of trying to tackle.I am not defending Brooks but he was far from the problem

His running game and defence have improved a lot.
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7 is a tough job one silly kick can change the momentum of the game. His still pushing silly passes and will forget to just kick the corners and do an in field kick which noone is expecting. Thats where nathan has it over him his a more consistant smarter footballer which helps the overall team.

 

[innsaneink]

I took particular notice of Tui last night - and it became obvious amongst all the good things that he did - he had a problem (same problem he has had for the Tigers the last few games at least).

That problem is tackling low, something that he can do very well, especially in cover defence. Tackling low is just not in his game at the moment, why?

Is it something to do with the knee or some other injury he is carrying?

I know there are plenty ready to rubbish him (forget that for the moment and be serious) It is totally out of character for him.

As for nor having a heart, being afraid to run to the line - load of rubbish.

Well that is what I have seen from him in a Weststigers jumper the last month, not interested on top of what you mentioned

Yeah, he had a crack last night, had a real go…same cant be said his last recent games for us, anything else is a load of rubbush

 

[The-moP]

Someone mentioned it in here a little earlier .. how about trying Tui in the "centres" .. ?? He's pretty creative in his running .. centres are supposed to run .. would it be worth a shot or not .. ??