happy_tiger
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@tigersrule4life said:
He will not be going anywhere if you believe Humphreys . I'm not sure if i believe a word that comes out of his mouth anymore Sorry
Looks like heino will be going too
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He will not be going anywhere if you believe Humphreys . I'm not sure if i believe a word that comes out of his mouth anymore Sorry
hybrid_tiger
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@travis_bickle said:
Again, a good honest player but I can understand the rationale behind this one. I think both Ellis and Galloway have been better and more consistent this year. They have impact, Heighington does not. He does a truckload of work but he does not dominate in defense or attack.
Coach Tim Sheens has told the 168-game Tigers forward he will more than likely be playing from the bench next season.
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Tim Sheens: "He's in the mix - but we're looking to be bigger and stronger. Recruitment and some of the kids coming through, we're looking at those things. We've been bullied by bigger, stronger sides at times."
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Tigers chief executive Steve Humphreys last night denied Heighington had permission to negotiate with other clubs, and also rejected the notion that the backrower would be allowed to join a UK Super League club.
Hmmmmm.
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Tim Sheens: "He's in the mix - but we're looking to be bigger and stronger. Recruitment and some of the kids coming through, we're looking at those things. We've been bullied by bigger, stronger sides at times."
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Tigers chief executive Steve Humphreys last night denied Heighington had permission to negotiate with other clubs, and also rejected the notion that the backrower would be allowed to join a UK Super League club.
Hmmmmm.
@innsaneink said:
Yeah at the start of the season we were second favourites. Then we did this: lost to Bulldogs, scraped home over the Warriors, beat Raiders, lost to the Roosters, beat Souths, lost to the Titans, lost to the Broncos. That's nearly a third of the way through the season and we've played well for, what, one and a half games? Against Souths and the putrid Raiders? Forgive me for saying that if it was at this point that club management started thinking "maybe we haven't got a premiership team here" then I'd rather they started planning for 2012 than just ignoring it.
Face it, these people do know something about the game. It's not good enough to hope to hit a run at the back end of the season, scrape in 6th-8th position and get lucky in the finals. We've got a few years of the best player in the world as our playmaker and some good young forwards coming through - the ambition for the club ought to be becoming a dominant force, minor premiership contender type of outfit.
The fact is that we haven't been there; ok we came third last season but that was with the Storm out of the running and Manly injury-ravaged in the run in. We didn't even get best of the rest and our for and against was testament to how we failed to dominate games throughout the season - take out the last 15 minutes against Penrith and the Warriors home game and we'd be in negative for and against territory.
This season we have been poor. Even if we accept the line that the on-field performances have been related to the nebulous 'uncertainty' I would make two points: (1) we were going poorly before any of this Blair stuff happened, and (2) if 'uncertainty' is enough to turn you into a bad player I don't want you at the club anyway. The Dragons somehow seem to be going ok despite knowing their coach is gone: why are our blokes so (supposedly) mentally weak that they can't aim up because they don't know if their mates will be there next year? Boo hoo. Get on with the job.
One final point to those saying "we ought to be getting rid of Fulton rather than Heighington". Have you considered that no offers have come in for Fulton that are better than what he's on for next year? I've said this before, but we don't get to just ring up some crappy club or Superleague and say "we want rid of these blokes, please send a cab".
hammertime
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Sheensy is doing exactly the right thing and giving him the kick he needed. How good has heino played the last 3 games? He is fired up.
I know the team is in disharmony at the moment. But it was needed and our future will be much better. I'm deadset sick of seeing the Tigers making only 20mtrs on each set of 5\. Plus this attitude of entitlement from the squad has to go. They need to earn their spots and they have been given a good crack by Sheensy over the past 5 years and failed.
For my mind, if Heino is on the bench. Fulton to state cup?
Also does it mean that Sheensy is certainly going to play Blair in the 2nd row rather than prop? Unless he sees BMM straight into the run on side next year? Could be a possibility. Dywer/BMM on the edges and Ellis at lock could be a good combo with Blair,Galloway,Woods & Groat/Bregovich up front.
I know the team is in disharmony at the moment. But it was needed and our future will be much better. I'm deadset sick of seeing the Tigers making only 20mtrs on each set of 5\. Plus this attitude of entitlement from the squad has to go. They need to earn their spots and they have been given a good crack by Sheensy over the past 5 years and failed.
For my mind, if Heino is on the bench. Fulton to state cup?
Also does it mean that Sheensy is certainly going to play Blair in the 2nd row rather than prop? Unless he sees BMM straight into the run on side next year? Could be a possibility. Dywer/BMM on the edges and Ellis at lock could be a good combo with Blair,Galloway,Woods & Groat/Bregovich up front.
bonstonker
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i can't get myself to take this seriously.
we want to get rid of a player who makes us 100 yards a game,and won't stop going.
last i checked i didn't know we had such a surplus in yardage makers.
yet we want to bring in someone who makes less yards a game,less yards per run,less offloads per game double the errors makes less tackles per game and still misses more.
oohh and plays behind a better pack.
and will cost more.
absolute joke that i can't believe is true.
i still shake my head when i see this thread.
we want to get rid of a player who makes us 100 yards a game,and won't stop going.
last i checked i didn't know we had such a surplus in yardage makers.
yet we want to bring in someone who makes less yards a game,less yards per run,less offloads per game double the errors makes less tackles per game and still misses more.
oohh and plays behind a better pack.
and will cost more.
absolute joke that i can't believe is true.
i still shake my head when i see this thread.
Tigerdave
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@Tiger Watto said:
that's beside the point, the pack is not something I felt needed a hell of a lot of work, the current lot managed to take the side to 3rd spot and many would consider we were robbed not getting into the grand final anyway.
This year it's been the backline. If anything, we needed to be looking at a replacement fullback for McKinnon and another winger.
Why would we need to let Chris H go :exclamation: There is a possibility he may want to go, as he always gets overlooked for SOO. I wouldn't be suprised if he leaves our club, that he will be picked for SOO in the future.
I still ask the question though, what is the point of players/clubs having contracts. It seems to me they are not worth the paper they've written on :bash
I still ask the question though, what is the point of players/clubs having contracts. It seems to me they are not worth the paper they've written on :bash
@bonstonker said:
I'm not sold on Blair yet and I'm not convinced our forwards are the problem. I think it comes down to mismangement of the cap and we are selling it as something else.
I think our problems come down to the following:
1\. Robbie not firing.
2\. Not having a quality fullback.
3\. Lui and/or Moltzen not stepping up to fill in at 7 and or 1.
4\. Injuries. This could even be problem no 1.
Heighno has been going extremely well for a number of years. He isn't a great backrower like Ellis however how many of those players can you have within the salary cap.
hybrid_tiger
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Again, Heighington is all about quantity, not quality. You can't measure impact. Yes he makes metres but work out his metres per run, or more importantly, the amount of metres he makes once he hits the line. Yes, he makes plenty of tackles, but they don't measure how many of them sting or hurt.
I think it is perfectly acceptable and actually spot on that he would be a bench player next season. Hope he stays in this role but I don't consider him an 80 minute player, nor is he an elite player. Again, people need to look at our side without the Tiger glasses on: I feel alot of our players are very overrated by our fans.
We only have two quality forwards who consistently perform and have IMPACT in everything they do and they are Ellis and Galloway. Blair will make it three if he is signed. The rest of our forwards are either average first graders (Gibbs, Heighington, Fulton) or promising youngsters (Dwyer, Fifita, BMM, Woods, Groat etc.) who the club is obviously hoping will continually improve and take their game to the next level over the next few years.
I think it is perfectly acceptable and actually spot on that he would be a bench player next season. Hope he stays in this role but I don't consider him an 80 minute player, nor is he an elite player. Again, people need to look at our side without the Tiger glasses on: I feel alot of our players are very overrated by our fans.
We only have two quality forwards who consistently perform and have IMPACT in everything they do and they are Ellis and Galloway. Blair will make it three if he is signed. The rest of our forwards are either average first graders (Gibbs, Heighington, Fulton) or promising youngsters (Dwyer, Fifita, BMM, Woods, Groat etc.) who the club is obviously hoping will continually improve and take their game to the next level over the next few years.
Tigersmurf
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Great post 2041\. It is easy to forget that we were travelling ordinarily well before the Blair rumor was raised. In fact, we go ordinary at the start of every year. Face it, the only time we are successful is toward the latter half of the season.
I disagree with Tiger05 as I believe our forwards are the entire problem. I don't blame the likes of Dwyer and Woods as they aren't even meant to be regular first grade players yet - they are predominantly there due to injury.
The likes of Fulton, Gibbs, Rhino, Payne, Galea, Halatau, Harrison, even Payten are not forwards large enough to make an impact. The Broncos game is what did it for me. We would make 30 metres and kick, they would make 65\. There kicks were better than ours so they won field position. There players were still at school when we won the comp in 05.
I think if our forwards went forward, then the backs would have more room to shine. It is as simple as that. Shame it has taken 7 years to realise it. Hard decisions need to be made and are being made. Lets hope…
I disagree with Tiger05 as I believe our forwards are the entire problem. I don't blame the likes of Dwyer and Woods as they aren't even meant to be regular first grade players yet - they are predominantly there due to injury.
The likes of Fulton, Gibbs, Rhino, Payne, Galea, Halatau, Harrison, even Payten are not forwards large enough to make an impact. The Broncos game is what did it for me. We would make 30 metres and kick, they would make 65\. There kicks were better than ours so they won field position. There players were still at school when we won the comp in 05.
I think if our forwards went forward, then the backs would have more room to shine. It is as simple as that. Shame it has taken 7 years to realise it. Hard decisions need to be made and are being made. Lets hope…
bonstonker
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@hybrid_tiger said:
he makes more than blair in every hit up category.
the only thing i rate blair higher is wrestling.
rhino has made a heap of yards after contact this year,and provided momentum purely from his own back.not from waiting for the perfect time to hit up after someone else work.
does more ealry hit ups and inside our 30.
what you fail to notice is the amount of hit ups he does against a compressed defense instead of bludging on the edges.
maybe you should be looking at the culture shock blair is going to get when he sees a pack that is not as consistent as the storm pack he is used to.
the crap kicking game that does not allow him rest from repeat sets and the extra work in defense from this and our lack of ball control.
rhino has had to work through this his whole career and continues to do a fine job.
he is far from just average
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pat-attack88
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Has anyone got info on the loss of moltzen next year also? I heard it was a rumour but then they mentioned it again on "one week at a time" on Thursday. I will miss rhino and Gibbs, I have followed the tigers all my life and only now when I see players I grown to love leave does it really make me assess the situation our forwards are in. Change is needed but my tiger blood wants them to stay. I just want our trademark brilliance that can score us 3 tries in 10 minutes back.. E.g the last minutes against the warriors.
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Also, I heard on one week at a time that beau Ryan is possibly leaving the tigers for panthers with rhino???
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hybrid_tiger
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@bonstonker said:
You are comparing the two on stats. Stats do not interest me, impact does. I maintain Heighington is a good, solid player but not a world beater. Again, I repeat that I am perfectly happy for him to stay but IMO he is not an 80 minute player and I think its perfectly acceptable that he would be deemed a bench player next season. To say it is a joke, well I don't get that. For years and years and years people have whinged that our forwards get dominated, then we we look to be moving on some players or changing their roles (i.e Rhino from starting back rower to bench replacement) people are up in arms. You can't have it both ways.
I have no doubt Heighington works hard and has always given us 110 per cent but he does not have the impact a starting second rower should have in 2011 and there is a reason he has not played rep football. He has little variety in his game, is pretty one dimensional, has no offload, and is not a very good hole runner. He has decent leg drive when he hits the line but he is easily dominated in the wrestle and he does not make anywhere near as many metres after contact as someone like Ellis does.
Interesting you mention Blair being better at wrestling - this is something we really struggle with, we are probably the worst in the comp at it and as much as people do not like it, that is a massive part of the game at the moment. This factor alone makes him an interesting and thoughtful inclusion.
GNR4LIFE
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@tigersrule4life said:
how reassuring.I alwayz feel 10 times better when i see these comments from you coz you alwayz seem to make a lot of sense
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system
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Slightly off topic but it will be interesting to see if we get Blair how his tackling technique is viewed by refs.
The players who get penalised are usually players after they leave the Storm and not while there
The players who get penalised are usually players after they leave the Storm and not while there
Tigersmurf
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I think our pack has looked unbalanced. Maybe I am old fashioned but I thought your second rowers were tall ballplaying type players, whilst your props were big and solid and with no neck. Example would be Blocker at prop and Sirro in the second row. Then you would have a ballplaying lock that has some pace and supports/cleans up and another workhorse second rower.
Payten in my view has the physique of a prop, but he is not big enough. Galloway looks like a second rower too me. Gibbs a prop, Dwyer a second rower. Then guys like Rhino and Fulton can fight it out for lock.
Has the game gone away from this formula or am I just old fashioned? Did Penrith ever put Geyer and Cartright in at prop? Shane Walker was a traditional prop. I think this balance works but we haven't had a forward pack like this in years - second rowers and lock made up of Heignington, Fulton and Halatau and props of Harrison and Payne….....
Blair and Ellis in my view are second rowers. Lets get a couple of real bricks up front and at least one on the bench to balance it out.
Payten in my view has the physique of a prop, but he is not big enough. Galloway looks like a second rower too me. Gibbs a prop, Dwyer a second rower. Then guys like Rhino and Fulton can fight it out for lock.
Has the game gone away from this formula or am I just old fashioned? Did Penrith ever put Geyer and Cartright in at prop? Shane Walker was a traditional prop. I think this balance works but we haven't had a forward pack like this in years - second rowers and lock made up of Heignington, Fulton and Halatau and props of Harrison and Payne….....
Blair and Ellis in my view are second rowers. Lets get a couple of real bricks up front and at least one on the bench to balance it out.
