Loss of balmain....it's only fair ..... Right ??

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Most WT fans between 25yo-85yo followed Balmain or Wests… Thats a few generations of fans still alive today... I am 31yo and grew up following the pies and my memory goes back to late 80's... I don't expect to forget all that in 10 years or my lifetime... I follow WT because its a legacy of Wests and i want to ensure that legacy continues fairly and consistent as long as i am on earth.
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@domster said:
Seriously - what is the point of this thread. Self destruction amongst supporters??

Anyone who has pot shots about the team, past, future or present starting with the creator of this thread should be barred from the forum as they are not supporters of the team Wests Tigers. Tongue in cheek or not. Instigating in fighting amongst supporters should not be tolerated.

Mods stand up and be counted and set a positive example.

Even though i started this thread messing around I think this is fair enough, I actually had no idea there was such a divide until I joined this forum . Do you guys think this is widespread ?
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@wtfl1981 said:
Anyone notice that channel 9 used the WT logo when For the BRET team playing line up on GF day? So much for brand separation!

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I'm guessing they didn't have the BRET logo available. You'll read into any event what you want to though. I'm not going to get caught up in one of these long-running debates. You're very dismissive of genuine comments raised by ex-Balmain fans who have lost the name Balmain, see an orange which is different from the Balmain orange, and a logo which is not the Balmain Tiger. Updated? Spare me… It was changed when WT was formed - completely different logo.
 
I think we are all a bit conflicted.

One thing I often wonder is if we had taken the stance of the Rabbitohs. They refused to merge and accepted being in isolation. As we all know they were later re-instated.

I regret that we didn't have the balls to do that.

If we had a time machine would we go back and take that stance and risk extinction? I don't know. Maybe.
Hindsight says that we would rather have a few years in the wilderness and remain a Wests Magpie or Balmain Tiger. But then again, the league may not have re-instated so many clubs (Souths, Wests, Balmain, Norths etc..) and there would have been an increased likelihood of remaining in the wilderness for a long time, or forever. Who knows….

But that's all history now.
Most of us have fully embraced the JV and would rather have Wests Tigers than not. It is not ideal, but we are never going to be Balmain or Magpies again, so let's just face reality and deal with the loss of the Magpie and Balmain as significant parts of our modern day identity. We are not "Balmain Magpies", we are "Wests Tigers" and personally, I think that the way it worked out in that respect was pretty darn good - the Tiger is a better animal and Wests is a bigger area. I don't want a thousand identities, a thousand home grounds, a thousand sets of supporters. We are one team with one identity. We are all a bit conflicted, but enough crying over spilt milk.
 
@bigsiro said:
One thing I often wonder is if we had taken the stance of the Rabbitohs. They refused to merge and accepted being in isolation. As we all know they were later re-instated.

I regret that we didn't have the balls to do that.

For both clubs, it was not a lack of balls, but a lack of money. Neither club had the financial reserve nor high net worth individuals to mount what ended up being a high court case. Western Suburbs had effectively been fighting the game's administration from 1908 and with Ashfield's decision in the early 80's to cut funding to player salaries and the lack of big sponsors in the late 1990's, the club was effectively financially exhausted after the Super League war. You probably know more about the Balmain experience than me, but given what has occurred recently, Balmain was probably 10 years behind Wests when it came to the financial position.

Interestingly and someone can correct me if wrong, but the High Court decision for Souths meant all clubs excluded by the NRL at the end of 1999, could have demanded reinstatement. Wests and Balmain decided against as they obviously felt the merger was the best way forward. All other teams (eg: Gold Coast) did not have the means to reapply.

The decision by Ashfield to cut contributions in the 1980's and to make the merger put them, as a Leagues club, ahead of many other leagues clubs in realising that pumping money into a football club does not make for a profitable business. Many other clubs continued to make large contributions to football clubs and many are now on their knees (eg: Manly, Souths, Cronulla). Those hard decisions are now paying dividends for both Wests Ashfield and the merger. Wests Ashfield and Campbelltown are now very profitable and despite Balmain Leagues struggling, the strength of Ashfield and Campbelltown buys Balmain Leagues time to get their business running profitably again whilst retaining their connection to the NRL. This only helps further secure Wests Tigers future and gives the game's administration absolutely no excuse to move our team from our traditional areas.

Back to Souths, we still have a community based ownership model with the Football Clubs and Leagues Clubs being the major shareholders. You can walk into Wests Ashfield, Campbelltown & Balmain Leagues, buy a beer and know you are contributing to your NRL club and local area. Souths required private ownership to continue along and they are run by individuals who could walk away tomorrow. Much prefer our model.
 
I am happy the way things worked out, I am happy with our direction but it could always be tweaked and improved just like anything else.

Some of my closest friends today I would not have known were it not for the merger
 
You do go way over the top WTFL. Nothing wrong with referring to them as just the ''Tigers'', that is our name afterall. Just like theres nothing wrong with referring to ourselves as just ''Wests''. We shouldn't have to constantly have to be referred to our full name, thats pretty stupid tbh. Next time you watch a game, watch it for the important stuff
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
Nothing wrong with referring to them as just the ''Tigers'', that is our name afterall. Just like theres nothing wrong with referring to ourselves as just ''Wests''. We shouldn't have to constantly have to be referred to our full name, thats pretty stupid tbh.

Bingo! Give the man a T-shirt!!
 
I am just being upfront and detailed in my point of view.. I love Wests Tigers they are my team. I am not anti balmain.. I played in the balmain junior league, played junior grand finals at LO but i bleed black & white.

I am not against the name Wests Tigers nor did i or do i ever think Balmain Magpies is a better name. I just want to ensure that WT is a successful modern club that embraces its 200 years of combined history and ensures that the legacy of wests magpies LIVES ON not DIES OFF via WT like generations of black victa & orange philips jersey wearing fans do also.

I have an opinion and view and this topic is def more emotional more than others. I ask all to keep that in perspective.

Like my user name indicates - Wests Tigers for Life.
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Guess what guys,

We are not the magpies or Balmain!

If all we talk about is the same crap we will end up being a forum of three people…
 
@Spartan117 said:
Guess what guys,

We are not the magpies or Balmain!

If all we talk about is the same crap we will end up being a forum of three people…

WT are not Balmain or Magpies but we pull from the Balmain & Magpies Juniors, honour Balmain & Magpies history, rely and gladly accept Balmain & Magpies Money.. So there is relevance… It goes beyond just the first grade team. Its embedded within WT from a fan and business perspective. Don't get upset when the words balmain & magpies are mentioned!
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@BenjiMagic96 said:
I am pretty sure there is a magpies forum go b*tch about it there

Like you said before, Balmain and Magpies was before your time. Do your homework first before you dribble and offend others.
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@tigermaniac said:
@BenjiMagic96 said:
I am pretty sure there is a magpies forum go b*tch about it there

Like you said before, Balmain and Magpies was before your time. Do your homework first before you dribble and offend others.
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How sad ADULTS can't agree over something that happened 12 years ago and soon to be 13\. I thought kids were the childish ones.
 
i am a really old magpie a pratten park veteran then lidcombe oval i played magpie juniors but we must accept those days are gone and so is balmain so lets stick together . together we stand divided we fall.
 
BenjiMagic96 - i assume you were 3yo in 1999 when the WT were announced to be formed. Please Re think your blunt attitude towards anything Balmain or Magpies related and ask how you would feel if WT had to fold or form a JV with bulldogs or panthers or parra….
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@smeghead said:
I am happy the way things worked out, I am happy with our direction but it could always be tweaked and improved just like anything else.

Some of my closest friends today I would not have known were it not for the merger

Well said Smeg .
12 years in whats done is done .follow the Weststigers or move on . its pretty simple imho
 
@wtfl1981 said:
BenjiMagic96 - i assume you were 3yo in 1999 when the WT were announced to be formed. Please Re think your blunt attitude towards anything Balmain or Magpies related and ask how you would feel if WT had to fold or form a JV with bulldogs or panthers or parra….
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That would be scooo cool imagine

1\. Tedesco
2\. Koroibete
3\. Lawrence
4\. Tonga
5\. Hayne
6\. Marshall
7.Sandow
 

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