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https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/05/04/brooks-winning-makes-life-easier/

Haha Brooks got asked about Benny Elias trying to buy the club. He looked mystified, had no idea what they were talking about.


Why is that funny? Is that part of his job now?

I agree.. it’s not his job to know the workings oft he club ..
Journalists are deadset douche bags these days .

They ask some really dumb questions

Even the questions they ask in regards to playing footy are so repetitive..
If I was Brooks I would’ve asked the journo’s “who’s Benny Elias” ?
 
@twentyforty said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353808) said:
The general theme of commentary pre game was dragons stronger forward pack would win it for them, but it was the Tigers pack which was relentless and moving up in numbers to stop the Dragons go forward. This is why Brooks looked so much better than the in form Hunt out there. We haven’t had this tenacity in our pack for sooo long. I hope we don’t lose **Brooks to the Broncos, because he’ll make them a top 8 side** .

In a two conference system
He is no Trbojevic
 
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354354) said:
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@kazoo-kid said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354338) said:
https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/05/04/brooks-winning-makes-life-easier/

Haha Brooks got asked about Benny Elias trying to buy the club. He looked mystified, had no idea what they were talking about.


Why is that funny? Is that part of his job now?

I agree.. it’s not his job to know the workings off the club ..
Journalists are deadset douche bags these days .

It was an embarrassing question . He treated it with the contempt it deserved .
 
I've been defending Luke right up until the early rounds of this season - I promise you I've been wanting him to succeed for the longest time, and guarantee you that I'm not hating on him because it's what the cool kids are doing.

He is not the answer for us, and we're not the answer for him.

You absolutely cannot defend the fact that no matter how much possession we have, we struggle to score. Yes he had kicks that led to tries, but how many chances did he have and how many did he convert? It is incredibly frustrating to watch him play premeditated football set after set, he's completely lost his running game and a bit of speed. And don't get me started on this nothing 'bombs'...

Never, ever seen him fire up or bark his at his teammates, yes "he's not the type" but he NEEDS to be. It was HIS team this season, and now we've back tracked trying to make it Doueihi's team because the club have realised yet again Brooks has failed us.

Lets see if that helps - I'm all for Brooks succeeding here, just don't see it happening.
 
@moh said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354364) said:
I've been defending Luke right up until the early rounds of this season - I promise you I've been wanting him to succeed for the longest time, and guarantee you that I'm not hating on him because it's what the cool kids are doing.

He is not the answer for us, and we're not the answer for him.

You absolutely cannot defend the fact that no matter how much possession we have, we struggle to score. Yes he had kicks that led to tries, but how many chances did he have and how many did he convert? It is incredibly frustrating to watch him play premeditated football set after set, he's completely lost his running game and a bit of speed. And don't get me started on this nothing 'bombs'...

Never, ever seen him fire up or bark his at his teammates, yes "he's not the type" but he NEEDS to be. It was HIS team this season, and now we've back tracked trying to make it Doueihi's team because the club have realised yet again Brooks has failed us.

Lets see if that helps - I'm all for Brooks succeeding here, just don't see it happening.

Boggles the mind that Madge wanted him to lead the team, he's no leader. Especially when Doueihi is a clear leader and vocal half
 
@moh said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354364) said:
Never, ever seen him fire up or bark his at his teammates, yes "he's not the type" but he NEEDS to be. It was HIS team this season, and now we've back tracked trying to make it Doueihi's team because the club have realised yet again Brooks has failed us.

Lets see if that helps - I'm all for Brooks succeeding here, just don't see it happening.

That’s a load of crap tbh. I was at the game on the hill and Brooks is very vocal. I’m almost certain it’s because his persona is made out to be some shy kid with no personality that people think he’s just a mute on the field
 
I'm a person that has often noted the poor performance culture at the club as justification for Luke's poor development. While I haven't specifically blamed Benji or Robbie as the main cause for disruption, I do however believe that the club's previous organisational incompetence, quality of the team and frequent instability are major factors.
I can recognise that he's got some deficiencies  and poor leadership qualities including a lack of valour. Yet I believe he can turn things around given he can work on the mental, physical, tactical and technical elements of his game.

We all obviously don't see eye to eye on that and it's understandable but no offence my(or anyone else) applying this reasoning isn't to make excuses. In fact, they both mean completely different things.
When the Brooks supporters on here, myself included, stand by these reasons to why he's unable to produce certain traits/plays (being vocal, his kicks and try assists the most common) it isn't to be combative at all but we're simply applying some logic to why he's undeveloped in these areas.
In all team sports, an individual's growth is dependent on the coaching and team around him too. So at present not only would he be working on building on his own skills and other new ones, but he'd also be learning how to modify his game to serve or suit the needs of another newly formed team.

I'd say the only concern is his confidence and if he can take accountability of it he'd be in more control of everything.
 
@speed2burn said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354367) said:
@moh said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354364) said:
Never, ever seen him fire up or bark his at his teammates, yes "he's not the type" but he NEEDS to be. It was HIS team this season, and now we've back tracked trying to make it Doueihi's team because the club have realised yet again Brooks has failed us.

Lets see if that helps - I'm all for Brooks succeeding here, just don't see it happening.

That’s a load of crap tbh. I was at the game on the hill and Brooks is very vocal. I’m almost certain it’s because his persona is made out to be some shy kid with no personality that people think he’s just a mute on the field

What I don’t get is ...
Brooks proved he can kick goals so why let Doueihi kick ?
I think Doueihi has enough on his plate already.
So my thinking is Brooks isn’t the most accomplished halfback but if he can ace the goal kicking surely then there’s less of a reason to want him out ?
 
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354373) said:
@speed2burn said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354367) said:
@moh said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354364) said:
Never, ever seen him fire up or bark his at his teammates, yes "he's not the type" but he NEEDS to be. It was HIS team this season, and now we've back tracked trying to make it Doueihi's team because the club have realised yet again Brooks has failed us.

Lets see if that helps - I'm all for Brooks succeeding here, just don't see it happening.

That’s a load of crap tbh. I was at the game on the hill and Brooks is very vocal. I’m almost certain it’s because his persona is made out to be some shy kid with no personality that people think he’s just a mute on the field

What I don’t get is ...
Brooks proved he can kick goals so why let Doueihi kick ?
I think Doueihi has enough on his plate already.
So my thinking is Brooks isn’t the most accomplished halfback but if he can ace the goal kicking surely then there’s less of a reason to want him out ?

Don't necessarily think it is about that, probably just that Doueihi is the better kicker - goal kicking hasnt really been our forte so lets just keep it with our best goal kicker being the first option :joy:
 
@madge said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354376) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354373) said:
@speed2burn said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354367) said:
@moh said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354364) said:
Never, ever seen him fire up or bark his at his teammates, yes "he's not the type" but he NEEDS to be. It was HIS team this season, and now we've back tracked trying to make it Doueihi's team because the club have realised yet again Brooks has failed us.

Lets see if that helps - I'm all for Brooks succeeding here, just don't see it happening.

That’s a load of crap tbh. I was at the game on the hill and Brooks is very vocal. I’m almost certain it’s because his persona is made out to be some shy kid with no personality that people think he’s just a mute on the field

What I don’t get is ...
Brooks proved he can kick goals so why let Doueihi kick ?
I think Doueihi has enough on his plate already.
So my thinking is Brooks isn’t the most accomplished halfback but if he can ace the goal kicking surely then there’s less of a reason to want him out ?

Don't necessarily think it is about that, probably just that Doueihi is the better kicker - goal kicking hasnt really been our forte so lets just keep it with our best goal kicker being the first option :joy:

From what I’ve seen I’d say Brooks looks better ..
There I said it ! ?
 
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354373) said:
@speed2burn said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354367) said:
@moh said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354364) said:
Never, ever seen him fire up or bark his at his teammates, yes "he's not the type" but he NEEDS to be. It was HIS team this season, and now we've back tracked trying to make it Doueihi's team because the club have realised yet again Brooks has failed us.

Lets see if that helps - I'm all for Brooks succeeding here, just don't see it happening.

That’s a load of crap tbh. I was at the game on the hill and Brooks is very vocal. I’m almost certain it’s because his persona is made out to be some shy kid with no personality that people think he’s just a mute on the field

What I don’t get is ...
Brooks proved he can kick goals so why let Doueihi kick ?
I think Doueihi has enough on his plate already.
So my thinking is Brooks isn’t the most accomplished halfback but if he can ace the goal kicking surely then there’s less of a reason to want him out ?

Yeah I noticed Brooks was good at nailing them from the left side

Probably Doueihi is just the overall better kicker I’d say ... but it’s nice to have back up
 
Righto then,now I have read a heap of posts from people that can give an opinion on football without having the pressure of getting a team at NRL level to win games let alone have the credentials to do so...
So here it is from a bloke that has had some type of experience in the field of getting a team to win games by being part of that team and having a coach to bring the best out of his individual players to play as a TEAM...
Brooks has a heap of talent that was manipulated by several coaches in a quick period of time without letting the guy play his own game,play to the structure,play 5 hit ups and a bomb,play on the left,dont run but use the second phase and on it goes..
Madge has been absolutely lamblasted and called to be sacked when in truth he is trying to get Luke to play a more running freestyle of game thats why AD is starting to take control of the team so that the pressure is off Brooks...if only some of the fans and critics could get their head out of the sand and see what Madge is trying to develop within this squad..
They are young and learning,you cant bag Madge for giving the younger guys a go,he is building for the future...Cini is a fine example of getting them to learn the game,excelling in lower grades and then introducing them to the NRL..
Luke has been ""used and abused "as far as a halfback goes and Madge is just starting to figure out his best virtues..
Madge has my full support and if he remains with us for his entire contract most on here and other knockers will see just how important and special his coaching prowess really is...
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354214) said:
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@toowoomba_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354120) said:
Watch his interview on the website. Sums him up pretty well imo. Can't think on his feet, robotic answers, nervous, no presence, no personal accountability,no character, offers little.
I know you don't have to be a good talker to be a good footy player or vise versa, but man that was a cringeworthy as his clutch plays.

It shows me the coach doesn’t know how to use Brooks & is trying to put a round pet into a square hole. Brooks can play, he hasn’t played his natural style under Madge for 18mths. **He has never been a leader.** Even when he played juniors with Mitch, Mitch would bark the team around. He is being asked to be something he isn’t. He did get switched off and he is absolutely trying to play Madge ball but it isn’t his style of footy. He looks unco and without confidence to execute. Maybe that will change if we get some wins. Maybe Madge ball needs to evolve and let these guys play their natural game as well. Maybe Brooks needs to find a home where he fits in, under the right coach he would very good. With Hastings coming guess we will find out soon enough.

Isn't that the half's job on the field, to lead the team's direction in attack? The bloke is reportedly on $600k a year or $11,500 per week, it's him who needs to learn, not Madge.

Look if he can't do it, then maybe they need to find him another position or release him, I actually think he would be a good 9, but the 2 blokes playing there are going OK.

At the end of the day, we need to start winning, not all Brook's fault, but he doesn't help, when Hastings comes, he will get his chance at 7 at some stage, if he shines, then Brooks will have no where to go.

Doesn't a good coach adjust game plans and style to match the strengths of his players? Cleary said as much in the article in the SMH about Brooks and the scarcity of halfbacks.. Now where is Cleary's team sitting?

Hard to do with Brooks when he hasn’t really got any strengths.
 
@geo said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354074) said:
@twentyforty said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354059) said:
I realise there’s some anti Brooks sentiment but I must say he played very well vs Dragons. His service was great, passes were well directed and sharp giving the backline plenty of room which wasn’t taken advantage of. If we had a quality backline with the amount of clean ball he gave them the score line would have been through the roof. **it’s a team game.**

The expectation is for Brooks to be the team..he is not..

Brooks is part of the team he contributed to the Win ...

The article about Doueihi sums this up. Brooks is our second play maker. He can do his job.
 
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354373) said:
@speed2burn said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354367) said:
@moh said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354364) said:
Never, ever seen him fire up or bark his at his teammates, yes "he's not the type" but he NEEDS to be. It was HIS team this season, and now we've back tracked trying to make it Doueihi's team because the club have realised yet again Brooks has failed us.

Lets see if that helps - I'm all for Brooks succeeding here, just don't see it happening.

That’s a load of crap tbh. I was at the game on the hill and Brooks is very vocal. I’m almost certain it’s because his persona is made out to be some shy kid with no personality that people think he’s just a mute on the field

What I don’t get is ...
Brooks proved he can kick goals so why let Doueihi kick ?
I think Doueihi has enough on his plate already.
So my thinking is Brooks isn’t the most accomplished halfback but if he can ace the goal kicking surely then there’s less of a reason to want him out ?

Luke might have a reason to have a big game this week .....
 
@lauren

When Brooks was in his 2nd season I agreed with everything you said; he needed to develop his game, build skills, learn to modify to his team etc.

But by his 8th season, those excuses have worn very thin and I do not believe he has the ability to turn things around anymore. It is nearly a decade with him at the most crucial position on the field and he simply never developed his game.

Brooks supporters promised pre-season that he was going to take the bull by the horns and this would be the year of no more excuses. So much for that. Every excuse under the sun is being recycled.

And I'm sorry, but our team should not be used as a nursery for Brooks to work on his mental, physical, tactical and technical elements of the game. This should be done in lower grades. We are not his support group - nor should supporters like you have to be.

We all thought he was going to be the next big thing. Perhaps you are right that poor culture and instability stifled his development somewhat. But unlike you, I am by now convinced that he was and is never going to develop into the player we all thought he could be and need him to be. He has definitely had his chances, more than 150. In this cut-throat world of performance driven evaluations he has had many more chances than he has earned and certainly more than he would have had anywhere else. He should have been let go years ago. But I don't blame him. He keeps getting picked. It is undoubtedly management's fault for not seeing this and allowing this to go on for so long.

You, or Brooks fans, might say that for years the Tigers game him lemons to work with and how is he supposed to make lemonade with that?
I think it's time to consider that he is one of the lemons too.
And no team can afford their halfback to be a lemon; it's going to leave a much more sour taste than the others. Especially after 8 years.
 
@lauren said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354370) said:
I'm a person that has often noted the poor performance culture at the club as justification for Luke's poor development. While I haven't specifically blamed Benji or Robbie as the main cause for disruption, I do however believe that the club's previous organisational incompetence, quality of the team and frequent instability are major factors.
I can recognise that he's got some deficiencies  and poor leadership qualities including a lack of valour. Yet I believe he can turn things around given he can work on the mental, physical, tactical and technical elements of his game.

We all obviously don't see eye to eye on that and it's understandable but no offence my(or anyone else) applying this reasoning isn't to make excuses. In fact, they both mean completely different things.
When the Brooks supporters on here, myself included, stand by these reasons to why he's unable to produce certain traits/plays (being vocal, his kicks and try assists the most common) it isn't to be combative at all but we're simply applying some logic to why he's undeveloped in these areas.
In all team sports, an individual's growth is dependent on the coaching and team around him too. So at present not only would he be working on building on his own skills and other new ones, but he'd also be learning how to modify his game to serve or suit the needs of another newly formed team.

I'd say the only concern is his confidence and if he can take accountability of it he'd be in more control of everything.

Lauren, I often defend Brooksy because I think it is unfair to lay failure of a team on one player.
It’s easy to get caught up in over analysing (for me it is) the failures of the team and individual players when we only see the game day performance.
As you and others have eluded to, the frequent disruption and instability from all areas of the club is the real source of the problem. Paul Kent who played for the Eels, asked coach Arthur when he expected his spine to run into peak performance? He indicated that it was generally accepted a spine needs 25-40 games to develop the sort of cohesion necessary to peak. How many games has our Fab Four had together?( I like the idea of a 13 to be a kind of big 6 who also has a good kicking game.)
I’ll throw in another variable, how many players will take the field against the Titans with less than 20 NRL games on their resume? I applaud Madge for keeping team changes to a minimum and forcing the younger players to work for their spot. On that note, we have had a comparatively good run with injuries which should start to show on game day. My thoughts are..if we can keep this spine together, and play to it’s individual strengths, by the end of season we will play finals.
 
Where the hell did they get the 600K rubbish, that's what he was paid in 2017, he has signed two contracts since then, by all reports its Mbye money plus some. I'm not a hater, I just expect 1st grade footy and footballers to play to a standard, "bang for the buck" and I don't think we are getting it.
 
@twentyforty said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354437) said:
@lauren said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354370) said:
I'm a person that has often noted the poor performance culture at the club as justification for Luke's poor development. While I haven't specifically blamed Benji or Robbie as the main cause for disruption, I do however believe that the club's previous organisational incompetence, quality of the team and frequent instability are major factors.
I can recognise that he's got some deficiencies  and poor leadership qualities including a lack of valour. Yet I believe he can turn things around given he can work on the mental, physical, tactical and technical elements of his game.

We all obviously don't see eye to eye on that and it's understandable but no offence my(or anyone else) applying this reasoning isn't to make excuses. In fact, they both mean completely different things.
When the Brooks supporters on here, myself included, stand by these reasons to why he's unable to produce certain traits/plays (being vocal, his kicks and try assists the most common) it isn't to be combative at all but we're simply applying some logic to why he's undeveloped in these areas.
In all team sports, an individual's growth is dependent on the coaching and team around him too. So at present not only would he be working on building on his own skills and other new ones, but he'd also be learning how to modify his game to serve or suit the needs of another newly formed team.

I'd say the only concern is his confidence and if he can take accountability of it he'd be in more control of everything.

Lauren, I often defend Brooksy because I think it is unfair to lay failure of a team on one player.
It’s easy to get caught up in over analysing (for me it is) the failures of the team and individual players when we only see the game day performance.
As you and others have eluded to, the frequent disruption and instability from all areas of the club is the real source of the problem. Paul Kent who played for the Eels, asked coach Arthur when he expected his spine to run into peak performance? He indicated that it was generally accepted a spine needs 25-40 games to develop the sort of cohesion necessary to peak. How many games has our Fab Four had together?( I like the idea of a 13 to be a kind of big 6 who also has a good kicking game.)
I’ll throw in another variable, how many players will take the field against the Titans with less than 20 NRL games on their resume? I applaud Madge for keeping team changes to a minimum and forcing the younger players to work for their spot. On that note, we have had a comparatively good run with injuries which should start to show on game day. My thoughts are..if we can keep this spine together, and play to it’s individual strengths, by the end of season we will play finals.

Laurie played his first game for us , where he looked like a fullback in attack . He’s been electric and elusive , but none of that was by design , until Sunday .

When madge says “build on it “ what do people think he’s talking about ? airs about building the instinctive stuff . Do people think the panthers are that much more skill full than the next guys ? Or is it , that the bulk of the squad have been playing together for 5-7 years since Harold Matt’s .

I actually don’t think brooks has played poorly at all this year . He has his moments , like when he bombed the try after the Cini line break , but then he saves the match winner , on Simms later that game . It’s all relative . Go watch DCE Play , or did you know Ben hunt was on the other team on Sunday . Then watch Taylor basically crap the bed after 25 minutes on Friday night .
I think everyone his hyper focused in him , including me , and depending on what your pre determined opinion is going in , depends on what confirmation bias outcome your looking for . In my case it’s probably leaning a little to towards overlooking the bad stuff , but in people like @bigsiro case it’s clear the kid can never do anything right .
There’s 3 sides to the story , my opinion , your opinion and the truth . And I think the truth is , he’s alright , he’s not Andrew johns 2.0 , but rather Matt Orford 2.0 . And I’m ok with that , as there’s not anything like a decent half coming through anywhere . Walker was ear marked at 16 , and in the papers . Think about that ! Is it because he’s amazing , or is it because the halves shortage is real , and having elite talent is so unique that it gets everyone on the hype train . I think it’s the latter , and we have spent 10-15 years messing up kids with block plays and high percentage footy , that we’ve driven out the very thing that made them unique in the first place .
 
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