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@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354445) said:
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@lauren said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354370) said:
I'm a person that has often noted the poor performance culture at the club as justification for Luke's poor development. While I haven't specifically blamed Benji or Robbie as the main cause for disruption, I do however believe that the club's previous organisational incompetence, quality of the team and frequent instability are major factors.
I can recognise that he's got some deficiencies  and poor leadership qualities including a lack of valour. Yet I believe he can turn things around given he can work on the mental, physical, tactical and technical elements of his game.

We all obviously don't see eye to eye on that and it's understandable but no offence my(or anyone else) applying this reasoning isn't to make excuses. In fact, they both mean completely different things.
When the Brooks supporters on here, myself included, stand by these reasons to why he's unable to produce certain traits/plays (being vocal, his kicks and try assists the most common) it isn't to be combative at all but we're simply applying some logic to why he's undeveloped in these areas.
In all team sports, an individual's growth is dependent on the coaching and team around him too. So at present not only would he be working on building on his own skills and other new ones, but he'd also be learning how to modify his game to serve or suit the needs of another newly formed team.

I'd say the only concern is his confidence and if he can take accountability of it he'd be in more control of everything.

Lauren, I often defend Brooksy because I think it is unfair to lay failure of a team on one player.
It’s easy to get caught up in over analysing (for me it is) the failures of the team and individual players when we only see the game day performance.
As you and others have eluded to, the frequent disruption and instability from all areas of the club is the real source of the problem. Paul Kent who played for the Eels, asked coach Arthur when he expected his spine to run into peak performance? He indicated that it was generally accepted a spine needs 25-40 games to develop the sort of cohesion necessary to peak. How many games has our Fab Four had together?( I like the idea of a 13 to be a kind of big 6 who also has a good kicking game.)
I’ll throw in another variable, how many players will take the field against the Titans with less than 20 NRL games on their resume? I applaud Madge for keeping team changes to a minimum and forcing the younger players to work for their spot. On that note, we have had a comparatively good run with injuries which should start to show on game day. My thoughts are..if we can keep this spine together, and play to it’s individual strengths, by the end of season we will play finals.

Laurie played his first game for us , where he looked like a fullback in attack . He’s been electric and elusive , but none of that was by design , until Sunday .

When madge says “build on it “ what do people think he’s talking about ? airs about building the instinctive stuff . Do people think the panthers are that much more skill full than the next guys ? Or is it , that the bulk of the squad have been playing together for 5-7 years since Harold Matt’s .

I actually don’t think brooks has played poorly at all this year . He has his moments , like when he bombed the try after the Cini line break , but then he saves the match winner , on Simms later that game . It’s all relative . Go watch DCE Play , or did you know Ben hunt was on the other team on Sunday . Then watch Taylor basically crap the bed after 25 minutes on Friday night .
I think everyone his hyper focused in him , including me , and depending on what your pre determined opinion is going in , depends on what confirmation bias outcome your looking for . In my case it’s probably leaning a little to towards overlooking the bad stuff , but in people like @bigsiro case it’s clear the kid can never do anything right .
There’s 3 sides to the story , my opinion , your opinion and the truth . And I think the truth is , he’s alright , he’s not Andrew johns 2.0 , but rather Matt Orford 2.0 . And I’m ok with that , as there’s not anything like a decent half coming through anywhere . Walker was ear marked at 16 , and in the papers . Think about that ! Is it because he’s amazing , or is it because the halves shortage is real , and having elite talent is so unique that it gets everyone on the hype train . I think it’s the latter , and we have spent 10-15 years messing up kids with block plays and low percentage footy , that we’ve driven out the very thing that made them unique in the first place .


Great post mate!!!
 
@tbones10 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354439) said:
Where the hell did they get the 600K rubbish, that's what he was paid in 2017, he has signed two contracts since then, by all reports its Mbye money plus some. I'm not a hater, I just expect 1st grade footy and footballers to play to a standard, "bang for the buck" and I don't think we are getting it.


It was getting gradually pushed up to wind up the anti Brooks mob. That game has run its course so time for some clear thinking realism. 😂
 
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354445) said:
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**There’s 3 sides to the story , my opinion , your opinion and the truth . And I think the truth is , he’s alright**

But funnily enough you find the truth to be in line with your opinion lol.
 
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@haberfield_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354174) said:
Just read an article that James tamou said douhie is now the dominant half. He can bark what ever he likes at the team. He's been there for 6 games and he is the dominant half. Just cracks me up that brooks has folded like a deck chair and relinquished the keys to the team to adam. Tigers need a dominant 7.... https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-captain-james-tamou-on-why-the-tigers-need-to-hand-adam-doueihi-the-keys-to-the-team/news-story/831b0d6e4498aa7ba920df6ce86bc97d

Brooks doesn't concede it in the interview though. Not sure he can get his head around it. Probably why we still see him kicking kiddies bombs when everyone else realises Adam should do the majority of kicking. Over calling him I reckon.

150 game veteran plays second Fidel to a 6 game rookie. It's a fold on epic proportions.

Wow it’s almost like .... that’s never happened before?

I can’t recall it can you ?

Did Maloney not play 2nd fiddle to Cleary when he jumped into grade?

Cleary in his first season was better than Brooks at 155 games

Delusion and hatred is a bad mix

Brooks won rookie of the year in his first year. Cleary did not, wouldn’t that indicate Brooks first year was in fact superior to Clearys first year?

In before someone twists my story into saying I think Brooks is better than Cleary now

Before going off half cocked, re read my post, I said and I repeat, Cleary in his first year, is better than 155 game Brooks, not Brooks first year, the current day version
 
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354445) said:
There’s 3 sides to the story , my opinion , your opinion and the truth . And I think the truth is , he’s alright , he’s not Andrew johns 2.0 , but rather Matt Orford 2.0

I kind of agree that Brooks is not the best and not the worst, but Brooks is nowhere near Orfords class.
Orford won the Dally M player of the year, lead his team to a premiership, and was an onfield general at both Melbourne and Manly, Brooks is not that good.
I would put Brooks along side Sam Williams as an NRL half.
 
@851 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354502) said:
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@haberfield_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354174) said:
Just read an article that James tamou said douhie is now the dominant half. He can bark what ever he likes at the team. He's been there for 6 games and he is the dominant half. Just cracks me up that brooks has folded like a deck chair and relinquished the keys to the team to adam. Tigers need a dominant 7.... https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-captain-james-tamou-on-why-the-tigers-need-to-hand-adam-doueihi-the-keys-to-the-team/news-story/831b0d6e4498aa7ba920df6ce86bc97d

Brooks doesn't concede it in the interview though. Not sure he can get his head around it. Probably why we still see him kicking kiddies bombs when everyone else realises Adam should do the majority of kicking. Over calling him I reckon.

150 game veteran plays second Fidel to a 6 game rookie. It's a fold on epic proportions.

Wow it’s almost like .... that’s never happened before?

I can’t recall it can you ?

Did Maloney not play 2nd fiddle to Cleary when he jumped into grade?

Cleary in his first season was better than Brooks at 155 games

Delusion and hatred is a bad mix

Brooks won rookie of the year in his first year. Cleary did not, wouldn’t that indicate Brooks first year was in fact superior to Clearys first year?

In before someone twists my story into saying I think Brooks is better than Cleary now

Before going off half cocked, re read my post, I said and I repeat, Cleary in his first year, is better than 155 game Brooks, not Brooks first year, the current day version

Cleary is the half back in a highly skilled team with a very dynamic pack, fast a strong back line and has a five eight that is elusive, fast and skilful. Also the halves pairing at the riff have been playing together now for some time.

Cleary IMO was a deer in the headlights last year in SOO at times and was the half back for a team that was playing the worst ever QLD side allegedly and he lost the series.

My point is comparing Brooks and Cleary is like comparing apples and oranges. I personally think that had Cleary travelled the same path as Brooks he would be struggling to have an impact in our team with the roster and management blunders since Sheens left. Had Brooks been in Cleary's shoes i believe that Brooks would be the NSW no 7 today.

Having said that Brooks IMO is playing well this year, he is definitely down on confidence not only in him self but also his outside backs (which showed in the last few minutes of the first half against the st's).
 
@851 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354502) said:
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@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354238) said:
@speed2burn said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354237) said:
@haberfield_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354203) said:
@toowoomba_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354190) said:
@haberfield_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354174) said:
Just read an article that James tamou said douhie is now the dominant half. He can bark what ever he likes at the team. He's been there for 6 games and he is the dominant half. Just cracks me up that brooks has folded like a deck chair and relinquished the keys to the team to adam. Tigers need a dominant 7.... https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-captain-james-tamou-on-why-the-tigers-need-to-hand-adam-doueihi-the-keys-to-the-team/news-story/831b0d6e4498aa7ba920df6ce86bc97d

Brooks doesn't concede it in the interview though. Not sure he can get his head around it. Probably why we still see him kicking kiddies bombs when everyone else realises Adam should do the majority of kicking. Over calling him I reckon.

150 game veteran plays second Fidel to a 6 game rookie. It's a fold on epic proportions.

Wow it’s almost like .... that’s never happened before?

I can’t recall it can you ?

Did Maloney not play 2nd fiddle to Cleary when he jumped into grade?

Cleary in his first season was better than Brooks at 155 games

Delusion and hatred is a bad mix

Brooks won rookie of the year in his first year. Cleary did not, wouldn’t that indicate Brooks first year was in fact superior to Clearys first year?

In before someone twists my story into saying I think Brooks is better than Cleary now

Before going off half cocked, re read my post, I said and I repeat, Cleary in his first year, is better than 155 game Brooks, not Brooks first year, the current day version

OK fair enough I misread your post

Cleary walked into a red hot Penrith team mid year. Literally the smoothest transition into first grade for a young half. Very similar to what Sam Walker is going through now at the Chooks. However if we are basing it off TA’s like the anti brigade did last year

2016 Cleary: 8 in 13 games
2021 Brooks: 9 in 8 games

I’d be fairly comfortable Saying Brooks defense is better too

If you disregard the first 2 games he’s been fine. Nothing spectacular I agree, but I think with the role he’s
been given...in a newly formed spine (they hadn’t even all met each other until late pre season ((*Laurie*))
 
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354494) said:
@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354454) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354445) said:
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**There’s 3 sides to the story , my opinion , your opinion and the truth . And I think the truth is , he’s alright**

But funnily enough you find the truth to be in line with your opinion lol.

Because it’s the middle option , that he’s probably standard nrl half , not a World beater . What’s difficult to understand ? God your a dimwit . I offer an olive branch , and you still be a douche . Both of you are such bozos I swear .

I will happily accept Brooks is an average halfback with strengths and weaknesses but certainly only average. In the case of only being average then, why are so many people **against** the prospect of WT seeking to find someone better to address the key weaknesses that he has in his game and after 150+ games aint going to get any better at?

I also think WT were wrong to extend his contract when he had shown little improvement in those weakness areas. With his pace and defensive ability I'd like to see him try centre / wing or a game or two - probably in reserve grade first though.
 
@2005magic said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354518) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354494) said:
@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354454) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354445) said:
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**There’s 3 sides to the story , my opinion , your opinion and the truth . And I think the truth is , he’s alright**

But funnily enough you find the truth to be in line with your opinion lol.

Because it’s the middle option , that he’s probably standard nrl half , not a World beater . What’s difficult to understand ? God your a dimwit . I offer an olive branch , and you still be a douche . Both of you are such bozos I swear .

I will happily accept Brooks is an average halfback with strengths and weaknesses but certainly only average. In the case of only being average then, why are so many people **against** the prospect of WT seeking to find someone better to address the key weaknesses that he has in his game and after 150+ games aint going to get any better at?

I also think WT were wrong to extend his contract when he had shown little improvement in those weakness areas. With his pace and defensive ability I'd like to see him try centre / wing or a game or two - probably in reserve grade first though.

Yep agree with everything you said . My only issue is who’s out there ? Because it’s not Reynolds (he and Madge mate each other apparently , that’s the rumour ) , and the rest are more meh than brooks . Hastings is not a half and won’t play there , outside of injury . That’s my opinion, I have nothing to support it , but I think the 13 / lock role is real .
 
@851 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354508) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354445) said:
There’s 3 sides to the story , my opinion , your opinion and the truth . And I think the truth is , he’s alright , he’s not Andrew johns 2.0 , but rather Matt Orford 2.0

I kind of agree that Brooks is not the best and not the worst, but Brooks is nowhere near Orfords class.
Orford won the Dally M player of the year, lead his team to a premiership, and was an onfield general at both Melbourne and Manly, Brooks is not that good.
I would put Brooks along side Sam Williams as an NRL half.

Urgh!!! This type of conversation is so annoying . I meant it in regards to the level of half that was playing at the time of , Andrew johns . A step below the elite but a solid half back. If brooks leaves and wins with whoever , then that will be a pretty astute comparison. But if you want to do the “this player was better than that player “ what as waste of time . I’m saying if we use the Andrew johns comparison , which is the elephant in the room when it comes to brooks , then we need to use a more realistic one . Whether it’s Orford , or Kimmorley , or bloody Shane perry , I don’t care , the point is our perspectives are all askew .
 
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354494) said:
@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354454) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354445) said:
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**There’s 3 sides to the story , my opinion , your opinion and the truth . And I think the truth is , he’s alright**

But funnily enough you find the truth to be in line with your opinion lol.

Because it’s the middle option , that he’s probably standard nrl half , not a World beater . What’s difficult to understand ? God your a dimwit . I offer an olive branch , and you still be a douche . Both of you are such bozos I swear .


Dimwit. Wonder if its ok to down vote @wilow lol.

Sorry you cant see that thats just your version of it.

The real truth is he may be an nrl half but he is not a great one and not the one THIS CLUB needs anymore.

If you cant see the other side dont come in all hot and bothered when you get pulled up on something.
 
@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354524) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354494) said:
@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354454) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354445) said:
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**There’s 3 sides to the story , my opinion , your opinion and the truth . And I think the truth is , he’s alright**

But funnily enough you find the truth to be in line with your opinion lol.

Because it’s the middle option , that he’s probably standard nrl half , not a World beater . What’s difficult to understand ? God your a dimwit . I offer an olive branch , and you still be a douche . Both of you are such bozos I swear .


Dimwit. Wonder if its ok to down vote @wilow lol.

Sorry you cant see that thats just your version of it.

The real truth is he may be an nrl half but he is not a great one and not the one THIS CLUB needs anymore.

If you cant see the other side dont come in all hot and bothered when you get pulled up on something.

I’m not hot or bothered . I think the things you say are garbage most of the time . And I’ve never not once said there arnt better halves out there , nor ever said if someone better presents themselves we shouldn’t go for it . And my position is constantly evolving , both good and bad . So should you . But nope.

I make a post about how we all need to check ourselves on our confirmation bias , and you reply with basically “I’m right your wrong” . It’s like talking to someone with borderline personality disorder .
So yeah I stick by what I said. If might get me banned , but it doesn’t make it any less true .
 
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354526) said:
@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354524) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354494) said:
@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354454) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354445) said:
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**There’s 3 sides to the story , my opinion , your opinion and the truth . And I think the truth is , he’s alright**

But funnily enough you find the truth to be in line with your opinion lol.

Because it’s the middle option , that he’s probably standard nrl half , not a World beater . What’s difficult to understand ? God your a dimwit . I offer an olive branch , and you still be a douche . Both of you are such bozos I swear .


Dimwit. Wonder if its ok to down vote @wilow lol.

Sorry you cant see that thats just your version of it.

The real truth is he may be an nrl half but he is not a great one and not the one THIS CLUB needs anymore.

If you cant see the other side dont come in all hot and bothered when you get pulled up on something.

I’m not hot or bothered . I think the things you say are garbage most of the time . And I’ve never not once said there arnt better halves out there , nor ever said if someone better presents themselves we shouldn’t go for it . And my position is constantly evolving , both good and bad . So should you . But nope.

I make a post about how we all need to check ourselves on our confirmation bias , and you reply with basically “I’m right your wrong” . It’s like talking to someone with borderline personality disorder .
So yeah I stick by what I said. If might get me banned , but it doesn’t make it any less true .

I'm a dimwit.

I post garbage.

I'm borderline personality disorder.

All good points but at least I can stick to the discussion of Luke Brooks and not chuck a tanty if someone has a differing opinion.
 
@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354529) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354526) said:
@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354524) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354494) said:
@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354454) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354445) said:
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**There’s 3 sides to the story , my opinion , your opinion and the truth . And I think the truth is , he’s alright**

But funnily enough you find the truth to be in line with your opinion lol.

Because it’s the middle option , that he’s probably standard nrl half , not a World beater . What’s difficult to understand ? God your a dimwit . I offer an olive branch , and you still be a douche . Both of you are such bozos I swear .


Dimwit. Wonder if its ok to down vote @wilow lol.

Sorry you cant see that thats just your version of it.

The real truth is he may be an nrl half but he is not a great one and not the one THIS CLUB needs anymore.

If you cant see the other side dont come in all hot and bothered when you get pulled up on something.

I’m not hot or bothered . I think the things you say are garbage most of the time . And I’ve never not once said there arnt better halves out there , nor ever said if someone better presents themselves we shouldn’t go for it . And my position is constantly evolving , both good and bad . So should you . But nope.

I make a post about how we all need to check ourselves on our confirmation bias , and you reply with basically “I’m right your wrong” . It’s like talking to someone with borderline personality disorder .
So yeah I stick by what I said. If might get me banned , but it doesn’t make it any less true .

I'm a dimwit.

I post garbage.

I'm borderline personality disorder.

All good points but at least I can stick to the discussion of Luke Brooks and not chuck a tanty if someone has a differing opinion.

That’s not what’s happening champ . I’m not even upset. I think the things you say are garbage , and nasty a lot of the time , and lacking any real thought or purpose other than “ Luke Brooks is crap”. It’s no different to looking through , Facebook page .
And when asked to explain yourself , there’s no real evidence .
Same for @bigsiro.
And yea , your lack rational reasoning that you may be wrong , but rather everyone with an altering point of view is wrong , it’s like someone with borderline personality disorder . It’s irrational.
 
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354532) said:
@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354529) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354526) said:
@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354524) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354494) said:
@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354454) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354445) said:
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**There’s 3 sides to the story , my opinion , your opinion and the truth . And I think the truth is , he’s alright**

But funnily enough you find the truth to be in line with your opinion lol.

Because it’s the middle option , that he’s probably standard nrl half , not a World beater . What’s difficult to understand ? God your a dimwit . I offer an olive branch , and you still be a douche . Both of you are such bozos I swear .


Dimwit. Wonder if its ok to down vote @wilow lol.

Sorry you cant see that thats just your version of it.

The real truth is he may be an nrl half but he is not a great one and not the one THIS CLUB needs anymore.

If you cant see the other side dont come in all hot and bothered when you get pulled up on something.

I’m not hot or bothered . I think the things you say are garbage most of the time . And I’ve never not once said there arnt better halves out there , nor ever said if someone better presents themselves we shouldn’t go for it . And my position is constantly evolving , both good and bad . So should you . But nope.

I make a post about how we all need to check ourselves on our confirmation bias , and you reply with basically “I’m right your wrong” . It’s like talking to someone with borderline personality disorder .
So yeah I stick by what I said. If might get me banned , but it doesn’t make it any less true .

I'm a dimwit.

I post garbage.

I'm borderline personality disorder.

All good points but at least I can stick to the discussion of Luke Brooks and not chuck a tanty if someone has a differing opinion.

That’s not what’s happening champ . I’m not even upset. I think the things you say are garbage , and nasty a lot of the time , and lacking any real thought or purpose other than “ Luke Brooks is crap”. It’s no different to looking through , Facebook page .
And when asked to explain yourself , there’s no real evidence .
Same for @bigsiro.
And yea , your lack rational reasoning that you may be wrong , but rather everyone with an altering point of view is wrong , it’s like someone with borderline personality disorder . It’s irrational.

I'm nasty now too lol
 
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@haberfield_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354174) said:
Just read an article that James tamou said douhie is now the dominant half. He can bark what ever he likes at the team. He's been there for 6 games and he is the dominant half. Just cracks me up that brooks has folded like a deck chair and relinquished the keys to the team to adam. Tigers need a dominant 7.... https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-captain-james-tamou-on-why-the-tigers-need-to-hand-adam-doueihi-the-keys-to-the-team/news-story/831b0d6e4498aa7ba920df6ce86bc97d

Brooks doesn't concede it in the interview though. Not sure he can get his head around it. Probably why we still see him kicking kiddies bombs when everyone else realises Adam should do the majority of kicking. Over calling him I reckon.

150 game veteran plays second Fidel to a 6 game rookie. It's a fold on epic proportions.

Wow it’s almost like .... that’s never happened before?

I can’t recall it can you ?

Did Maloney not play 2nd fiddle to Cleary when he jumped into grade?

Cleary in his first season was better than Brooks at 155 games

Delusion and hatred is a bad mix

Brooks won rookie of the year in his first year. Cleary did not, wouldn’t that indicate Brooks first year was in fact superior to Clearys first year?

In before someone twists my story into saying I think Brooks is better than Cleary now

Before going off half cocked, re read my post, I said and I repeat, Cleary in his first year, is better than 155 game Brooks, not Brooks first year, the current day version

OK fair enough I misread your post

Cleary walked into a red hot Penrith team mid year. Literally the smoothest transition into first grade for a young half. Very similar to what Sam Walker is going through now at the Chooks. However if we are basing it off TA’s like the anti brigade did last year

2016 Cleary: 8 in 13 games
2021 Brooks: 9 in 8 games

I’d be fairly comfortable Saying Brooks defense is better too

If you disregard the first 2 games he’s been fine. Nothing spectacular I agree, but I think with the role he’s
been given...in a newly formed spine (they hadn’t even all met each other until late pre season ((*Laurie*))

I think Brooks is ok, his defence is first class for a half, his attack in the opposition 20 is really not good enough, he seems lost when we are in the red zone.
His bombs are for the most part very predictable and easy to defuse, he has no spiral bomb at all.
His long kicking game is really poor for a 155 game half, and his once good running game has regressed at a great rate of knots.
His whole game in every aspect has either stagnated or regressed, we don't have the team for a half that is not improving.
I don't hate Brooks, if you check my posts before the first game of the year, I was pumping his tyres, but he has another flat, and this time I am not manning the pump.
 
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Just read an article that James tamou said douhie is now the dominant half. He can bark what ever he likes at the team. He's been there for 6 games and he is the dominant half. Just cracks me up that brooks has folded like a deck chair and relinquished the keys to the team to adam. Tigers need a dominant 7.... https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-captain-james-tamou-on-why-the-tigers-need-to-hand-adam-doueihi-the-keys-to-the-team/news-story/831b0d6e4498aa7ba920df6ce86bc97d

Brooks doesn't concede it in the interview though. Not sure he can get his head around it. Probably why we still see him kicking kiddies bombs when everyone else realises Adam should do the majority of kicking. Over calling him I reckon.

150 game veteran plays second Fidel to a 6 game rookie. It's a fold on epic proportions.

Wow it’s almost like .... that’s never happened before?

I can’t recall it can you ?

Did Maloney not play 2nd fiddle to Cleary when he jumped into grade?

Cleary in his first season was better than Brooks at 155 games

Delusion and hatred is a bad mix

Brooks won rookie of the year in his first year. Cleary did not, wouldn’t that indicate Brooks first year was in fact superior to Clearys first year?

In before someone twists my story into saying I think Brooks is better than Cleary now

Before going off half cocked, re read my post, I said and I repeat, Cleary in his first year, is better than 155 game Brooks, not Brooks first year, the current day version

OK fair enough I misread your post

Cleary walked into a red hot Penrith team mid year. Literally the smoothest transition into first grade for a young half. Very similar to what Sam Walker is going through now at the Chooks. However if we are basing it off TA’s like the anti brigade did last year

2016 Cleary: 8 in 13 games
2021 Brooks: 9 in 8 games

I’d be fairly comfortable Saying Brooks defense is better too

If you disregard the first 2 games he’s been fine. Nothing spectacular I agree, but I think with the role he’s
been given...in a newly formed spine (they hadn’t even all met each other until late pre season ((*Laurie*))

I think Brooks is ok, his defence is first class for a half, his attack in the opposition 20 is really not good enough, he seems lost when we are in the red zone.
His bombs are for the most part very predictable and easy to defuse, he has no spiral bomb at all.
His long kicking game is really poor for a 155 game half, and his once good running game has regressed at a great rate of knots.
His whole game in every aspect has either stagnated or regressed, we don't have the team for a half that is not improving.
I don't hate Brooks, if you check my posts before the first game of the year, I was pumping his tyres, but he has another flat, and this time I am not manning the pump.

Yeah that’s fair enough, I’m not gonna argue with any of that. I just think with the way we got embarrassed against manly and to turn up with a defensive attitude like we did on Sunday was big in the context of the season

Ok Brooks fluffed a couple of opportunities but honestly I felt like we had full control of that game, and never looked like losing if you start from the Talau try. Largely due to Brooks kicking game and defensive attitude

Like I said the spine is brand new and has shown a couple glimpses of what they’re capable of but admittedly still a bit off. Even Doueihi has had his absolute lows, Laurie has shown glimpses of being good and also poor but I thought Sunday was easily his most complete performance
 
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