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Hope that Strongee's little blow up isnt considered bad form by the mods. I hope he sticks around. Im all for differing opinions and a bit of banter.

As for the Luke Brooks discussion ill have a go at the "my opinion - your opinion and the truth" thing.

**My opinion =** Luke Brooks is cooked at the Wests Tigers. Doesnt have the mental drive and toughness to turn around his complete lack of confidence. And even if he did he was only a mid range half back to start with.

**Your Opinion =** Luke Brooks has been hard done by and has genuine excuses for his form. he will come good. In the grand scheme of things he is one of the top 6 to 8 halves on the game and deserves his spot in our team going forward.

**The Truth =** Luke Brooks is an NRL half back. He is not a reserve grader. The trouble however is that he is struggling to lift his form and adjust to a style that doesnt completely suit him. He played well last week and did his job. Some of his kicking was very good, the placement spot on.

With great halves like Thurston, Johns, young Sam Walker etc they were genuine footballers. Not athlete footballers but genuine footballers who could read a line and play heads up footy.

Alexander and Johns commented recently on a sports radio show how Luke Brooks runs into the defensive line a little too often. Kind of like he doesnt know when to pass or when to run, as in he is not reading the play in front of him but just relying on natural talent to create something.

It was a one of the best reviews of the Luke Brooks situation i have heard. It reminded me of the Milford situation at the Broncos. Talented player but doesnt make the right play at the right time often enough to take away the enormous pressure he has placed on himself.

I see Brooks and Milford as very similar. Both naturally talented but neither are just out and out footballers who can read the play and execute what is needed when it is needed.

In short good player but not a player capable of lifting his team to any great heights.

None of that is true haha . And that’s not my opinion . But thanks for clarifying a position you clearly don’t understand , just to rationalise it for yourself . Seriously man , what the actual ?


Ill give you something that is very true about me. Im a bit blunt when im know im right about a player.

No hard feelings, youre entitled to your opinion.

What ? What has that got to do with what my opinion is ? I swear I’ve said it 100 times on here , yet you still paraphrase and summarise it to something completely unlike what I’ve said . I couldn’t be any clearer .
And what are you right about ? That he’s not nrl standard ? The rest of the nrl clubs would ? disagree with you . Every club would snap him up , who didn’t have an elite half . That’s all the answer I need to that question . So all your ramblings , amount for nothing if the people who do this for a living disagree with you to the tune they’d pay him half a mil to kick a ball around .
So you don’t know anything, how can you if that’s the general consensus in the NRL. And it is because the cowboys just came knocking and were willing to pay full freight .
Like I said , I think he’s slightly above league average , which is a shame because he could have been elite . But thank the basket case of Wests tigers past for that .


You have misread my posts. I cleary state he is an NRL player.

Sorry if you are looking for me to bite on your comments mate but im all good. If you want to get yourself banned you will have to go harder. Youll also have to find someone else to go back at you. It wont be me.

As ive stated youre entitled to your opinion.

Moving on.

Cheers.

No you paraphrased everything I said , only into nothing at all like what I said . And now what you want to pretend like you’re taking the high road . Sorry all the stuff you e said over the past few months totally undermine you .
I hope Brooks moves on for the record , it will suck to see someone who should have been the Aus halfback , be a shell of what he could have been, leave , but we messed him up to a point the club should be ashamed of themselves . He was supposed to be the sure fire , can’t lose prospect and now , he’s anything but that . It’s a real indictment on this club . And that’s why I stand by him , mainly because I know how much we messed him up , and it’s shameful . Its like what the Houston Texans did to David Carr years ago . He was again this can’t miss quarterback , who got hammered his first 5 years in the league , that by the time they fixed the rest of thier team , he had been ruined by bad coaching and blokes who couldn’t protect him .

Haha we messed him up.. u got to be kidding he's a professional football player. He has control of his form and only him.. there is no more growth in him. He has peaked and unfortunately he has folded like a deck chair to **douhie a 6 game rookie**... the club did everything they could to give him the opportunity. Unfortunately he has not stepped up.....

Doueihi has played 57 NRL games

At 5/8th for us =6

Meh

Fullback and 5/8 play very similar in attack these days. Only difference is defending in the front line..he knows what he’s doing

Not a rookie
 
@merlot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354697) said:
A h/b on 1/2 Brooks's money playing twice as good as him would not keep some happy,until we find that i think where stuck with him

A good legible post mate ...
Are you drunk ? 😂
 
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354699) said:
@merlot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354697) said:
A h/b on 1/2 Brooks's money playing twice as good as him would not keep some happy,until we find that i think where stuck with him

A good legible post mate ...
Are you drunk ? ?

if ucan read that ,u need to catch up,skoll lol
 
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@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354699) said:
@merlot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354697) said:
A h/b on 1/2 Brooks's money playing twice as good as him would not keep some happy,until we find that i think where stuck with him

A good legible post mate ...
Are you drunk ? ?

if ucan read that ,u need to catch up,skoll lol

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Hope that Strongee's little blow up isnt considered bad form by the mods. I hope he sticks around. Im all for differing opinions and a bit of banter.

As for the Luke Brooks discussion ill have a go at the "my opinion - your opinion and the truth" thing.

**My opinion =** Luke Brooks is cooked at the Wests Tigers. Doesnt have the mental drive and toughness to turn around his complete lack of confidence. And even if he did he was only a mid range half back to start with.

**Your Opinion =** Luke Brooks has been hard done by and has genuine excuses for his form. he will come good. In the grand scheme of things he is one of the top 6 to 8 halves on the game and deserves his spot in our team going forward.

**The Truth =** Luke Brooks is an NRL half back. He is not a reserve grader. The trouble however is that he is struggling to lift his form and adjust to a style that doesnt completely suit him. He played well last week and did his job. Some of his kicking was very good, the placement spot on.

With great halves like Thurston, Johns, young Sam Walker etc they were genuine footballers. Not athlete footballers but genuine footballers who could read a line and play heads up footy.

Alexander and Johns commented recently on a sports radio show how Luke Brooks runs into the defensive line a little too often. Kind of like he doesnt know when to pass or when to run, as in he is not reading the play in front of him but just relying on natural talent to create something.

It was a one of the best reviews of the Luke Brooks situation i have heard. It reminded me of the Milford situation at the Broncos. Talented player but doesnt make the right play at the right time often enough to take away the enormous pressure he has placed on himself.

I see Brooks and Milford as very similar. Both naturally talented but neither are just out and out footballers who can read the play and execute what is needed when it is needed.

In short good player but not a player capable of lifting his team to any great heights.

None of that is true haha . And that’s not my opinion . But thanks for clarifying a position you clearly don’t understand , just to rationalise it for yourself . Seriously man , what the actual ?


Ill give you something that is very true about me. Im a bit blunt when im know im right about a player.

No hard feelings, youre entitled to your opinion.

What ? What has that got to do with what my opinion is ? I swear I’ve said it 100 times on here , yet you still paraphrase and summarise it to something completely unlike what I’ve said . I couldn’t be any clearer .
And what are you right about ? That he’s not nrl standard ? The rest of the nrl clubs would ? disagree with you . Every club would snap him up , who didn’t have an elite half . That’s all the answer I need to that question . So all your ramblings , amount for nothing if the people who do this for a living disagree with you to the tune they’d pay him half a mil to kick a ball around .
So you don’t know anything, how can you if that’s the general consensus in the NRL. And it is because the cowboys just came knocking and were willing to pay full freight .
Like I said , I think he’s slightly above league average , which is a shame because he could have been elite . But thank the basket case of Wests tigers past for that .


You have misread my posts. I cleary state he is an NRL player.

Sorry if you are looking for me to bite on your comments mate but im all good. If you want to get yourself banned you will have to go harder. Youll also have to find someone else to go back at you. It wont be me.

As ive stated youre entitled to your opinion.

Moving on.

Cheers.

No you paraphrased everything I said , only into nothing at all like what I said . And now what you want to pretend like you’re taking the high road . Sorry all the stuff you e said over the past few months totally undermine you .
I hope Brooks moves on for the record , it will suck to see someone who should have been the Aus halfback , be a shell of what he could have been, leave , but we messed him up to a point the club should be ashamed of themselves . He was supposed to be the sure fire , can’t lose prospect and now , he’s anything but that . It’s a real indictment on this club . And that’s why I stand by him , mainly because I know how much we messed him up , and it’s shameful . Its like what the Houston Texans did to David Carr years ago . He was again this can’t miss quarterback , who got hammered his first 5 years in the league , that by the time they fixed the rest of thier team , he had been ruined by bad coaching and blokes who couldn’t protect him .

Haha we messed him up.. u got to be kidding he's a professional football player. He has control of his form and only him.. there is no more growth in him. He has peaked and unfortunately he has folded like a deck chair to **douhie a 6 game rookie**... the club did everything they could to give him the opportunity. Unfortunately he has not stepped up.....

Doueihi has played 57 NRL games

At 5/8th for us =6

Meh

Fullback and 5/8 play very similar in attack these days. Only difference is defending in the front line..he knows what he’s doing

Not a rookie

?‍♂️
 
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Hope that Strongee's little blow up isnt considered bad form by the mods. I hope he sticks around. Im all for differing opinions and a bit of banter.

As for the Luke Brooks discussion ill have a go at the "my opinion - your opinion and the truth" thing.

**My opinion =** Luke Brooks is cooked at the Wests Tigers. Doesnt have the mental drive and toughness to turn around his complete lack of confidence. And even if he did he was only a mid range half back to start with.

**Your Opinion =** Luke Brooks has been hard done by and has genuine excuses for his form. he will come good. In the grand scheme of things he is one of the top 6 to 8 halves on the game and deserves his spot in our team going forward.

**The Truth =** Luke Brooks is an NRL half back. He is not a reserve grader. The trouble however is that he is struggling to lift his form and adjust to a style that doesnt completely suit him. He played well last week and did his job. Some of his kicking was very good, the placement spot on.

With great halves like Thurston, Johns, young Sam Walker etc they were genuine footballers. Not athlete footballers but genuine footballers who could read a line and play heads up footy.

Alexander and Johns commented recently on a sports radio show how Luke Brooks runs into the defensive line a little too often. Kind of like he doesnt know when to pass or when to run, as in he is not reading the play in front of him but just relying on natural talent to create something.

It was a one of the best reviews of the Luke Brooks situation i have heard. It reminded me of the Milford situation at the Broncos. Talented player but doesnt make the right play at the right time often enough to take away the enormous pressure he has placed on himself.

I see Brooks and Milford as very similar. Both naturally talented but neither are just out and out footballers who can read the play and execute what is needed when it is needed.

In short good player but not a player capable of lifting his team to any great heights.

None of that is true haha . And that’s not my opinion . But thanks for clarifying a position you clearly don’t understand , just to rationalise it for yourself . Seriously man , what the actual ?


Ill give you something that is very true about me. Im a bit blunt when im know im right about a player.

No hard feelings, youre entitled to your opinion.

What ? What has that got to do with what my opinion is ? I swear I’ve said it 100 times on here , yet you still paraphrase and summarise it to something completely unlike what I’ve said . I couldn’t be any clearer .
And what are you right about ? That he’s not nrl standard ? The rest of the nrl clubs would ? disagree with you . Every club would snap him up , who didn’t have an elite half . That’s all the answer I need to that question . So all your ramblings , amount for nothing if the people who do this for a living disagree with you to the tune they’d pay him half a mil to kick a ball around .
So you don’t know anything, how can you if that’s the general consensus in the NRL. And it is because the cowboys just came knocking and were willing to pay full freight .
Like I said , I think he’s slightly above league average , which is a shame because he could have been elite . But thank the basket case of Wests tigers past for that .


You have misread my posts. I cleary state he is an NRL player.

Sorry if you are looking for me to bite on your comments mate but im all good. If you want to get yourself banned you will have to go harder. Youll also have to find someone else to go back at you. It wont be me.

As ive stated youre entitled to your opinion.

Moving on.

Cheers.

No you paraphrased everything I said , only into nothing at all like what I said . And now what you want to pretend like you’re taking the high road . Sorry all the stuff you e said over the past few months totally undermine you .
I hope Brooks moves on for the record , it will suck to see someone who should have been the Aus halfback , be a shell of what he could have been, leave , but we messed him up to a point the club should be ashamed of themselves . He was supposed to be the sure fire , can’t lose prospect and now , he’s anything but that . It’s a real indictment on this club . And that’s why I stand by him , mainly because I know how much we messed him up , and it’s shameful . Its like what the Houston Texans did to David Carr years ago . He was again this can’t miss quarterback , who got hammered his first 5 years in the league , that by the time they fixed the rest of thier team , he had been ruined by bad coaching and blokes who couldn’t protect him .

How did WT mess him up? Curious to hear the evidence behind this one...

The claim, originally from Phil Gould. Gould said something alone these lines…

Basically the problem isn’t Brooks, the Wests Tigers are the problem with Brooks. He’s had 4-5 coaches in his career, close to 10 halves partners and different spine almost every other year with no forwards. How does he succeed with that?
 
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Hope that Strongee's little blow up isnt considered bad form by the mods. I hope he sticks around. Im all for differing opinions and a bit of banter.

As for the Luke Brooks discussion ill have a go at the "my opinion - your opinion and the truth" thing.

**My opinion =** Luke Brooks is cooked at the Wests Tigers. Doesnt have the mental drive and toughness to turn around his complete lack of confidence. And even if he did he was only a mid range half back to start with.

**Your Opinion =** Luke Brooks has been hard done by and has genuine excuses for his form. he will come good. In the grand scheme of things he is one of the top 6 to 8 halves on the game and deserves his spot in our team going forward.

**The Truth =** Luke Brooks is an NRL half back. He is not a reserve grader. The trouble however is that he is struggling to lift his form and adjust to a style that doesnt completely suit him. He played well last week and did his job. Some of his kicking was very good, the placement spot on.

With great halves like Thurston, Johns, young Sam Walker etc they were genuine footballers. Not athlete footballers but genuine footballers who could read a line and play heads up footy.

Alexander and Johns commented recently on a sports radio show how Luke Brooks runs into the defensive line a little too often. Kind of like he doesnt know when to pass or when to run, as in he is not reading the play in front of him but just relying on natural talent to create something.

It was a one of the best reviews of the Luke Brooks situation i have heard. It reminded me of the Milford situation at the Broncos. Talented player but doesnt make the right play at the right time often enough to take away the enormous pressure he has placed on himself.

I see Brooks and Milford as very similar. Both naturally talented but neither are just out and out footballers who can read the play and execute what is needed when it is needed.

In short good player but not a player capable of lifting his team to any great heights.

None of that is true haha . And that’s not my opinion . But thanks for clarifying a position you clearly don’t understand , just to rationalise it for yourself . Seriously man , what the actual ?


Ill give you something that is very true about me. Im a bit blunt when im know im right about a player.

No hard feelings, youre entitled to your opinion.

What ? What has that got to do with what my opinion is ? I swear I’ve said it 100 times on here , yet you still paraphrase and summarise it to something completely unlike what I’ve said . I couldn’t be any clearer .
And what are you right about ? That he’s not nrl standard ? The rest of the nrl clubs would ? disagree with you . Every club would snap him up , who didn’t have an elite half . That’s all the answer I need to that question . So all your ramblings , amount for nothing if the people who do this for a living disagree with you to the tune they’d pay him half a mil to kick a ball around .
So you don’t know anything, how can you if that’s the general consensus in the NRL. And it is because the cowboys just came knocking and were willing to pay full freight .
Like I said , I think he’s slightly above league average , which is a shame because he could have been elite . But thank the basket case of Wests tigers past for that .


You have misread my posts. I cleary state he is an NRL player.

Sorry if you are looking for me to bite on your comments mate but im all good. If you want to get yourself banned you will have to go harder. Youll also have to find someone else to go back at you. It wont be me.

As ive stated youre entitled to your opinion.

Moving on.

Cheers.

No you paraphrased everything I said , only into nothing at all like what I said . And now what you want to pretend like you’re taking the high road . Sorry all the stuff you e said over the past few months totally undermine you .
I hope Brooks moves on for the record , it will suck to see someone who should have been the Aus halfback , be a shell of what he could have been, leave , but we messed him up to a point the club should be ashamed of themselves . He was supposed to be the sure fire , can’t lose prospect and now , he’s anything but that . It’s a real indictment on this club . And that’s why I stand by him , mainly because I know how much we messed him up , and it’s shameful . Its like what the Houston Texans did to David Carr years ago . He was again this can’t miss quarterback , who got hammered his first 5 years in the league , that by the time they fixed the rest of thier team , he had been ruined by bad coaching and blokes who couldn’t protect him .

How did WT mess him up? Curious to hear the evidence behind this one...

So you disagree ? You think we developed him to the best of his potential , and the constant in and out of coaching philosophies, game plans , lack of good structures around him. Even simply putting a halves coach with him .

So you think the onus is ? on the player that there’s none on the club ?. I’ve got rose coloured glasses for this club , but that’s just not true . We hopefully have got the right guys in there now , but we have been a mess of a club especially around the time we went away from benji and said this kid was our future . We blooded him way too soon . Was that a good enough response for you ? Or do I need to spend days scouring articles from players who left , he bad culture around those times , the garbage around the boys club , the 180 away from the plan Tim sheens had in Place to the potter / Taylor ball. He never found his voice , and is way too in his own head , so that’s on him . But if we had 100 go’s at making him johns 2.0 , how many would we succeed at ? 10 ? 4 ? Now stick him in say the storm system . And they had 100 goes at it , how many would they stuff up ?
I love this club , but I’m not oblivious to the years of Mismanagement, especially in the development of our juniors . Brooks being the poster child of that .
 
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@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354636) said:
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@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354631) said:
Hope that Strongee's little blow up isnt considered bad form by the mods. I hope he sticks around. Im all for differing opinions and a bit of banter.

As for the Luke Brooks discussion ill have a go at the "my opinion - your opinion and the truth" thing.

**My opinion =** Luke Brooks is cooked at the Wests Tigers. Doesnt have the mental drive and toughness to turn around his complete lack of confidence. And even if he did he was only a mid range half back to start with.

**Your Opinion =** Luke Brooks has been hard done by and has genuine excuses for his form. he will come good. In the grand scheme of things he is one of the top 6 to 8 halves on the game and deserves his spot in our team going forward.

**The Truth =** Luke Brooks is an NRL half back. He is not a reserve grader. The trouble however is that he is struggling to lift his form and adjust to a style that doesnt completely suit him. He played well last week and did his job. Some of his kicking was very good, the placement spot on.

With great halves like Thurston, Johns, young Sam Walker etc they were genuine footballers. Not athlete footballers but genuine footballers who could read a line and play heads up footy.

Alexander and Johns commented recently on a sports radio show how Luke Brooks runs into the defensive line a little too often. Kind of like he doesnt know when to pass or when to run, as in he is not reading the play in front of him but just relying on natural talent to create something.

It was a one of the best reviews of the Luke Brooks situation i have heard. It reminded me of the Milford situation at the Broncos. Talented player but doesnt make the right play at the right time often enough to take away the enormous pressure he has placed on himself.

I see Brooks and Milford as very similar. Both naturally talented but neither are just out and out footballers who can read the play and execute what is needed when it is needed.

In short good player but not a player capable of lifting his team to any great heights.

None of that is true haha . And that’s not my opinion . But thanks for clarifying a position you clearly don’t understand , just to rationalise it for yourself . Seriously man , what the actual ?


Ill give you something that is very true about me. Im a bit blunt when im know im right about a player.

No hard feelings, youre entitled to your opinion.

What ? What has that got to do with what my opinion is ? I swear I’ve said it 100 times on here , yet you still paraphrase and summarise it to something completely unlike what I’ve said . I couldn’t be any clearer .
And what are you right about ? That he’s not nrl standard ? The rest of the nrl clubs would ? disagree with you . Every club would snap him up , who didn’t have an elite half . That’s all the answer I need to that question . So all your ramblings , amount for nothing if the people who do this for a living disagree with you to the tune they’d pay him half a mil to kick a ball around .
So you don’t know anything, how can you if that’s the general consensus in the NRL. And it is because the cowboys just came knocking and were willing to pay full freight .
Like I said , I think he’s slightly above league average , which is a shame because he could have been elite . But thank the basket case of Wests tigers past for that .


You have misread my posts. I cleary state he is an NRL player.

Sorry if you are looking for me to bite on your comments mate but im all good. If you want to get yourself banned you will have to go harder. Youll also have to find someone else to go back at you. It wont be me.

As ive stated youre entitled to your opinion.

Moving on.

Cheers.

No you paraphrased everything I said , only into nothing at all like what I said . And now what you want to pretend like you’re taking the high road . Sorry all the stuff you e said over the past few months totally undermine you .
I hope Brooks moves on for the record , it will suck to see someone who should have been the Aus halfback , be a shell of what he could have been, leave , but we messed him up to a point the club should be ashamed of themselves . He was supposed to be the sure fire , can’t lose prospect and now , he’s anything but that . It’s a real indictment on this club . And that’s why I stand by him , mainly because I know how much we messed him up , and it’s shameful . Its like what the Houston Texans did to David Carr years ago . He was again this can’t miss quarterback , who got hammered his first 5 years in the league , that by the time they fixed the rest of thier team , he had been ruined by bad coaching and blokes who couldn’t protect him .

Haha we messed him up.. u got to be kidding he's a professional football player. He has control of his form and only him.. there is no more growth in him. He has peaked and unfortunately he has folded like a deck chair to **douhie a 6 game rookie**... the club did everything they could to give him the opportunity. Unfortunately he has not stepped up.....

Doueihi has played 57 NRL games

At 5/8th for us =6

Meh

Fullback and 5/8 play very similar in attack these days. Only difference is defending in the front line..he knows what he’s doing

Not a rookie

?‍♂️

Lol
 
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Hope that Strongee's little blow up isnt considered bad form by the mods. I hope he sticks around. Im all for differing opinions and a bit of banter.

As for the Luke Brooks discussion ill have a go at the "my opinion - your opinion and the truth" thing.

**My opinion =** Luke Brooks is cooked at the Wests Tigers. Doesnt have the mental drive and toughness to turn around his complete lack of confidence. And even if he did he was only a mid range half back to start with.

**Your Opinion =** Luke Brooks has been hard done by and has genuine excuses for his form. he will come good. In the grand scheme of things he is one of the top 6 to 8 halves on the game and deserves his spot in our team going forward.

**The Truth =** Luke Brooks is an NRL half back. He is not a reserve grader. The trouble however is that he is struggling to lift his form and adjust to a style that doesnt completely suit him. He played well last week and did his job. Some of his kicking was very good, the placement spot on.

With great halves like Thurston, Johns, young Sam Walker etc they were genuine footballers. Not athlete footballers but genuine footballers who could read a line and play heads up footy.

Alexander and Johns commented recently on a sports radio show how Luke Brooks runs into the defensive line a little too often. Kind of like he doesnt know when to pass or when to run, as in he is not reading the play in front of him but just relying on natural talent to create something.

It was a one of the best reviews of the Luke Brooks situation i have heard. It reminded me of the Milford situation at the Broncos. Talented player but doesnt make the right play at the right time often enough to take away the enormous pressure he has placed on himself.

I see Brooks and Milford as very similar. Both naturally talented but neither are just out and out footballers who can read the play and execute what is needed when it is needed.

In short good player but not a player capable of lifting his team to any great heights.

None of that is true haha . And that’s not my opinion . But thanks for clarifying a position you clearly don’t understand , just to rationalise it for yourself . Seriously man , what the actual ?


Ill give you something that is very true about me. Im a bit blunt when im know im right about a player.

No hard feelings, youre entitled to your opinion.

What ? What has that got to do with what my opinion is ? I swear I’ve said it 100 times on here , yet you still paraphrase and summarise it to something completely unlike what I’ve said . I couldn’t be any clearer .
And what are you right about ? That he’s not nrl standard ? The rest of the nrl clubs would ? disagree with you . Every club would snap him up , who didn’t have an elite half . That’s all the answer I need to that question . So all your ramblings , amount for nothing if the people who do this for a living disagree with you to the tune they’d pay him half a mil to kick a ball around .
So you don’t know anything, how can you if that’s the general consensus in the NRL. And it is because the cowboys just came knocking and were willing to pay full freight .
Like I said , I think he’s slightly above league average , which is a shame because he could have been elite . But thank the basket case of Wests tigers past for that .


You have misread my posts. I cleary state he is an NRL player.

Sorry if you are looking for me to bite on your comments mate but im all good. If you want to get yourself banned you will have to go harder. Youll also have to find someone else to go back at you. It wont be me.

As ive stated youre entitled to your opinion.

Moving on.

Cheers.

No you paraphrased everything I said , only into nothing at all like what I said . And now what you want to pretend like you’re taking the high road . Sorry all the stuff you e said over the past few months totally undermine you .
I hope Brooks moves on for the record , it will suck to see someone who should have been the Aus halfback , be a shell of what he could have been, leave , but we messed him up to a point the club should be ashamed of themselves . He was supposed to be the sure fire , can’t lose prospect and now , he’s anything but that . It’s a real indictment on this club . And that’s why I stand by him , mainly because I know how much we messed him up , and it’s shameful . Its like what the Houston Texans did to David Carr years ago . He was again this can’t miss quarterback , who got hammered his first 5 years in the league , that by the time they fixed the rest of thier team , he had been ruined by bad coaching and blokes who couldn’t protect him .

Haha we messed him up.. u got to be kidding he's a professional football player. He has control of his form and only him.. there is no more growth in him. He has peaked and unfortunately he has folded like a deck chair to **douhie a 6 game rookie**... the club did everything they could to give him the opportunity. Unfortunately he has not stepped up.....

Doueihi has played 57 NRL games

At 5/8th for us =6

Meh

Fullback and 5/8 play very similar in attack these days. Only difference is defending in the front line..he knows what he’s doing

Not a rookie

?‍♂️

Lol

I’d say he’s played more games in the centre’s in his total number of games

Still a rookie 5/8


?
 
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Hope that Strongee's little blow up isnt considered bad form by the mods. I hope he sticks around. Im all for differing opinions and a bit of banter.

As for the Luke Brooks discussion ill have a go at the "my opinion - your opinion and the truth" thing.

**My opinion =** Luke Brooks is cooked at the Wests Tigers. Doesnt have the mental drive and toughness to turn around his complete lack of confidence. And even if he did he was only a mid range half back to start with.

**Your Opinion =** Luke Brooks has been hard done by and has genuine excuses for his form. he will come good. In the grand scheme of things he is one of the top 6 to 8 halves on the game and deserves his spot in our team going forward.

**The Truth =** Luke Brooks is an NRL half back. He is not a reserve grader. The trouble however is that he is struggling to lift his form and adjust to a style that doesnt completely suit him. He played well last week and did his job. Some of his kicking was very good, the placement spot on.

With great halves like Thurston, Johns, young Sam Walker etc they were genuine footballers. Not athlete footballers but genuine footballers who could read a line and play heads up footy.

Alexander and Johns commented recently on a sports radio show how Luke Brooks runs into the defensive line a little too often. Kind of like he doesnt know when to pass or when to run, as in he is not reading the play in front of him but just relying on natural talent to create something.

It was a one of the best reviews of the Luke Brooks situation i have heard. It reminded me of the Milford situation at the Broncos. Talented player but doesnt make the right play at the right time often enough to take away the enormous pressure he has placed on himself.

I see Brooks and Milford as very similar. Both naturally talented but neither are just out and out footballers who can read the play and execute what is needed when it is needed.

In short good player but not a player capable of lifting his team to any great heights.

None of that is true haha . And that’s not my opinion . But thanks for clarifying a position you clearly don’t understand , just to rationalise it for yourself . Seriously man , what the actual ?


Ill give you something that is very true about me. Im a bit blunt when im know im right about a player.

No hard feelings, youre entitled to your opinion.

What ? What has that got to do with what my opinion is ? I swear I’ve said it 100 times on here , yet you still paraphrase and summarise it to something completely unlike what I’ve said . I couldn’t be any clearer .
And what are you right about ? That he’s not nrl standard ? The rest of the nrl clubs would ? disagree with you . Every club would snap him up , who didn’t have an elite half . That’s all the answer I need to that question . So all your ramblings , amount for nothing if the people who do this for a living disagree with you to the tune they’d pay him half a mil to kick a ball around .
So you don’t know anything, how can you if that’s the general consensus in the NRL. And it is because the cowboys just came knocking and were willing to pay full freight .
Like I said , I think he’s slightly above league average , which is a shame because he could have been elite . But thank the basket case of Wests tigers past for that .


You have misread my posts. I cleary state he is an NRL player.

Sorry if you are looking for me to bite on your comments mate but im all good. If you want to get yourself banned you will have to go harder. Youll also have to find someone else to go back at you. It wont be me.

As ive stated youre entitled to your opinion.

Moving on.

Cheers.

No you paraphrased everything I said , only into nothing at all like what I said . And now what you want to pretend like you’re taking the high road . Sorry all the stuff you e said over the past few months totally undermine you .
I hope Brooks moves on for the record , it will suck to see someone who should have been the Aus halfback , be a shell of what he could have been, leave , but we messed him up to a point the club should be ashamed of themselves . He was supposed to be the sure fire , can’t lose prospect and now , he’s anything but that . It’s a real indictment on this club . And that’s why I stand by him , mainly because I know how much we messed him up , and it’s shameful . Its like what the Houston Texans did to David Carr years ago . He was again this can’t miss quarterback , who got hammered his first 5 years in the league , that by the time they fixed the rest of thier team , he had been ruined by bad coaching and blokes who couldn’t protect him .

How did WT mess him up? Curious to hear the evidence behind this one...

So you disagree ? You think we developed him to the best of his potential , and the constant in and out of coaching philosophies, game plans , lack of good structures around him. Even simply putting a halves coach with him .

So you think the onus is ? on the player that there’s none on the club ?. I’ve got rose coloured glasses for this club , but that’s just not true . We hopefully have got the right guys in there now , but we have been a mess of a club especially around the time we went away from benji and said this kid was our future . We blooded him way too soon .

Of course the onus is on the player, why wouldn't it be??? If the club is to be believed, they have better resources in place now regarding player management, training techniques, sports science than they ever have. So if Brooks is able to take advantage of these resources, then why is he regressing in his on-field performance?

The only thing I can say for certain is that his defence has improved consistently. His kicking game has not, his running game has not. His organisational game...yeah I don't think so based on how rudderless the Tigers look at times out on the field.

I don't think you're going to change your view on Brooks, and I'm not here to argue otherwise, but I fail to see any real leadership qualities with him and given his tenure in the game now, well that's somewhat of a problem IMO.
 
Brooks leaving and going to another level club and going to another level would prove once and for all that the problem is the club and not the player. And don’t think it couldn’t happen.
 
@kevb said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354679) said:
@lauren said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354370) said:
I'm a person that has often noted the poor performance culture at the club as justification for Luke's poor development. While I haven't specifically blamed Benji or Robbie as the main cause for disruption, I do however believe that the club's previous organisational incompetence, quality of the team and frequent instability are major factors.
I can recognise that he's got some deficiencies  and poor leadership qualities including a lack of valour. Yet I believe he can turn things around given he can work on the mental, physical, tactical and technical elements of his game.

We all obviously don't see eye to eye on that and it's understandable but no offence my(or anyone else) applying this reasoning isn't to make excuses. In fact, they both mean completely different things.
When the Brooks supporters on here, myself included, stand by these reasons to why he's unable to produce certain traits/plays (being vocal, his kicks and try assists the most common) it isn't to be combative at all but we're simply applying some logic to why he's undeveloped in these areas.
In all team sports, an individual's growth is dependent on the coaching and team around him too. So at present not only would he be working on building on his own skills and other new ones, but he'd also be learning how to modify his game to serve or suit the needs of another newly formed team.

I'd say the only concern is his confidence and if he can take accountability of it he'd be in more control of everything.

Seriously Luke Brookes has played over 150 NRL games and you assert he "LACKS VALOUR" my understanding of word valour means courage. With respect Lauren if you believe anyone who has played 150 games of NRL lacks courage you havE no idea what it takes to play at this level.

I would never ever associate that word with the physical aspect of rugby league.
If you can understand that the outline of my post is relating the culture of the club and it's impact on Luke's development (especially the ongoing psychological challenges he's faced), and read that particular passage, you'd see this word has only been used only in regards to his leadership skills and ability.
( FYI I don't even think he's been bad at all and think he's made some changes in the way he responds in games)
I specifically meant, the courage to do whatever it takes to be the best and expect the same from those around him. To be relentless in pursuit of this and always strive to deliver the best results.
The only reason I even said it in the first place, is because it's obvious he has some confidence issues and his self-belief has sometimes appeared (that's obviously only my opinion though) to be shot and I'd like to see him overcome it.

I am honestly one of the last persons you'd hear say something to that degree about Luke. I actually literally tried to report a comment(just the other day) on the forum which suggested one of our other players smash or hurt him.
 
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Hope that Strongee's little blow up isnt considered bad form by the mods. I hope he sticks around. Im all for differing opinions and a bit of banter.

As for the Luke Brooks discussion ill have a go at the "my opinion - your opinion and the truth" thing.

**My opinion =** Luke Brooks is cooked at the Wests Tigers. Doesnt have the mental drive and toughness to turn around his complete lack of confidence. And even if he did he was only a mid range half back to start with.

**Your Opinion =** Luke Brooks has been hard done by and has genuine excuses for his form. he will come good. In the grand scheme of things he is one of the top 6 to 8 halves on the game and deserves his spot in our team going forward.

**The Truth =** Luke Brooks is an NRL half back. He is not a reserve grader. The trouble however is that he is struggling to lift his form and adjust to a style that doesnt completely suit him. He played well last week and did his job. Some of his kicking was very good, the placement spot on.

With great halves like Thurston, Johns, young Sam Walker etc they were genuine footballers. Not athlete footballers but genuine footballers who could read a line and play heads up footy.

Alexander and Johns commented recently on a sports radio show how Luke Brooks runs into the defensive line a little too often. Kind of like he doesnt know when to pass or when to run, as in he is not reading the play in front of him but just relying on natural talent to create something.

It was a one of the best reviews of the Luke Brooks situation i have heard. It reminded me of the Milford situation at the Broncos. Talented player but doesnt make the right play at the right time often enough to take away the enormous pressure he has placed on himself.

I see Brooks and Milford as very similar. Both naturally talented but neither are just out and out footballers who can read the play and execute what is needed when it is needed.

In short good player but not a player capable of lifting his team to any great heights.

None of that is true haha . And that’s not my opinion . But thanks for clarifying a position you clearly don’t understand , just to rationalise it for yourself . Seriously man , what the actual ?


Ill give you something that is very true about me. Im a bit blunt when im know im right about a player.

No hard feelings, youre entitled to your opinion.

What ? What has that got to do with what my opinion is ? I swear I’ve said it 100 times on here , yet you still paraphrase and summarise it to something completely unlike what I’ve said . I couldn’t be any clearer .
And what are you right about ? That he’s not nrl standard ? The rest of the nrl clubs would ? disagree with you . Every club would snap him up , who didn’t have an elite half . That’s all the answer I need to that question . So all your ramblings , amount for nothing if the people who do this for a living disagree with you to the tune they’d pay him half a mil to kick a ball around .
So you don’t know anything, how can you if that’s the general consensus in the NRL. And it is because the cowboys just came knocking and were willing to pay full freight .
Like I said , I think he’s slightly above league average , which is a shame because he could have been elite . But thank the basket case of Wests tigers past for that .


You have misread my posts. I cleary state he is an NRL player.

Sorry if you are looking for me to bite on your comments mate but im all good. If you want to get yourself banned you will have to go harder. Youll also have to find someone else to go back at you. It wont be me.

As ive stated youre entitled to your opinion.

Moving on.

Cheers.

No you paraphrased everything I said , only into nothing at all like what I said . And now what you want to pretend like you’re taking the high road . Sorry all the stuff you e said over the past few months totally undermine you .
I hope Brooks moves on for the record , it will suck to see someone who should have been the Aus halfback , be a shell of what he could have been, leave , but we messed him up to a point the club should be ashamed of themselves . He was supposed to be the sure fire , can’t lose prospect and now , he’s anything but that . It’s a real indictment on this club . And that’s why I stand by him , mainly because I know how much we messed him up , and it’s shameful . Its like what the Houston Texans did to David Carr years ago . He was again this can’t miss quarterback , who got hammered his first 5 years in the league , that by the time they fixed the rest of thier team , he had been ruined by bad coaching and blokes who couldn’t protect him .

How did WT mess him up? Curious to hear the evidence behind this one...

So you disagree ? You think we developed him to the best of his potential , and the constant in and out of coaching philosophies, game plans , lack of good structures around him. Even simply putting a halves coach with him .

So you think the onus is ? on the player that there’s none on the club ?. I’ve got rose coloured glasses for this club , but that’s just not true . We hopefully have got the right guys in there now , but we have been a mess of a club especially around the time we went away from benji and said this kid was our future . We blooded him way too soon .

Of course the onus is on the player, why wouldn't it be??? If the club is to be believed, they have better resources in place now regarding player management, training techniques, sports science than they ever have. So if Brooks is able to take advantage of these resources, then why is he regressing in his on-field performance?

The only thing I can say for certain is that his defence has improved consistently. His kicking game has not, his running game has not. His organisational game...yeah I don't think so based on how rudderless the Tigers look at times out on the field.

I don't think you're going to change your view on Brooks, and I'm not here to argue otherwise, but I fail to see any real leadership qualities with him and given his tenure in the game now, well that's somewhat of a problem IMO.

I’m not saying it’s not . I added to my above comment by the way . To clarify what I’m saying . And of course the onus is on the player . But it’s not just on him , but I’d doubt you’d find someone in these elite systems , that thinks it’s just in the player They’d do everything in thier power to maximise the potential of thier kids .
I’m not making excuses for him , he never developed into the player we all thought he would . But I blame the club as much as the player . And as I said , if you put him in the elite systems would he have had the same career as here ? It’s an unanswerable question, but seeing as players with far less ability than he has , where they end up after coming through there , it’s a fair argument to be made that he would have been close to the expectations . So that means we stuffed up . And I’m not going to stick my head in the sand about it .
 
@gnr4life said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354718) said:
Brooks leaving and going to another level club and going to another level would prove once and for all that the problem is the club and not the player. And don’t think it couldn’t happen.

Unless he has a stellar 2nd half of the season, it absolutely will happen. Doesn’t mean it’s the club though. Just means that Brooks is not what we need right now.

Hopefully with Doueihi taking the lead it will free up Brooks to play to his advantage. It may be enough then again may not. I would guess he has until the end of the season to play his part, otherwise he’ll be shopped around which would be for the benefit of both parties.
 
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@the_patriot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354631) said:
Hope that Strongee's little blow up isnt considered bad form by the mods. I hope he sticks around. Im all for differing opinions and a bit of banter.

As for the Luke Brooks discussion ill have a go at the "my opinion - your opinion and the truth" thing.

**My opinion =** Luke Brooks is cooked at the Wests Tigers. Doesnt have the mental drive and toughness to turn around his complete lack of confidence. And even if he did he was only a mid range half back to start with.

**Your Opinion =** Luke Brooks has been hard done by and has genuine excuses for his form. he will come good. In the grand scheme of things he is one of the top 6 to 8 halves on the game and deserves his spot in our team going forward.

**The Truth =** Luke Brooks is an NRL half back. He is not a reserve grader. The trouble however is that he is struggling to lift his form and adjust to a style that doesnt completely suit him. He played well last week and did his job. Some of his kicking was very good, the placement spot on.

With great halves like Thurston, Johns, young Sam Walker etc they were genuine footballers. Not athlete footballers but genuine footballers who could read a line and play heads up footy.

Alexander and Johns commented recently on a sports radio show how Luke Brooks runs into the defensive line a little too often. Kind of like he doesnt know when to pass or when to run, as in he is not reading the play in front of him but just relying on natural talent to create something.

It was a one of the best reviews of the Luke Brooks situation i have heard. It reminded me of the Milford situation at the Broncos. Talented player but doesnt make the right play at the right time often enough to take away the enormous pressure he has placed on himself.

I see Brooks and Milford as very similar. Both naturally talented but neither are just out and out footballers who can read the play and execute what is needed when it is needed.

In short good player but not a player capable of lifting his team to any great heights.

None of that is true haha . And that’s not my opinion . But thanks for clarifying a position you clearly don’t understand , just to rationalise it for yourself . Seriously man , what the actual ?


Ill give you something that is very true about me. Im a bit blunt when im know im right about a player.

No hard feelings, youre entitled to your opinion.

What ? What has that got to do with what my opinion is ? I swear I’ve said it 100 times on here , yet you still paraphrase and summarise it to something completely unlike what I’ve said . I couldn’t be any clearer .
And what are you right about ? That he’s not nrl standard ? The rest of the nrl clubs would ? disagree with you . Every club would snap him up , who didn’t have an elite half . That’s all the answer I need to that question . So all your ramblings , amount for nothing if the people who do this for a living disagree with you to the tune they’d pay him half a mil to kick a ball around .
So you don’t know anything, how can you if that’s the general consensus in the NRL. And it is because the cowboys just came knocking and were willing to pay full freight .
Like I said , I think he’s slightly above league average , which is a shame because he could have been elite . But thank the basket case of Wests tigers past for that .


You have misread my posts. I cleary state he is an NRL player.

Sorry if you are looking for me to bite on your comments mate but im all good. If you want to get yourself banned you will have to go harder. Youll also have to find someone else to go back at you. It wont be me.

As ive stated youre entitled to your opinion.

Moving on.

Cheers.

No you paraphrased everything I said , only into nothing at all like what I said . And now what you want to pretend like you’re taking the high road . Sorry all the stuff you e said over the past few months totally undermine you .
I hope Brooks moves on for the record , it will suck to see someone who should have been the Aus halfback , be a shell of what he could have been, leave , but we messed him up to a point the club should be ashamed of themselves . He was supposed to be the sure fire , can’t lose prospect and now , he’s anything but that . It’s a real indictment on this club . And that’s why I stand by him , mainly because I know how much we messed him up , and it’s shameful . Its like what the Houston Texans did to David Carr years ago . He was again this can’t miss quarterback , who got hammered his first 5 years in the league , that by the time they fixed the rest of thier team , he had been ruined by bad coaching and blokes who couldn’t protect him .

Haha we messed him up.. u got to be kidding he's a professional football player. He has control of his form and only him.. there is no more growth in him. He has peaked and unfortunately he has folded like a deck chair to **douhie a 6 game rookie**... the club did everything they could to give him the opportunity. Unfortunately he has not stepped up.....

Doueihi has played 57 NRL games

At 5/8th for us =6

Meh

Fullback and 5/8 play very similar in attack these days. Only difference is defending in the front line..he knows what he’s doing

Not a rookie

?‍♂️

Lol

I’d say he’s played more games in the centre’s in his total number of games

Still a rookie 5/8


?

Adam Doueihi NRL career Fullback 30 Wing 1 Centre 6 Halves 12 Bench 8 games...

remember he's not a fullback..

Can't believe people getting angty that Doueihi is showing signs to be a good leader as his not Brooks...I hope he slays it every week..great game against the Dragons ..week before not so much...more games he plays the better..
 
thought Brooks was exceptional 2nd half last week,liked how Garner BJ muscled duffty over d deadball line also
 
@lauren said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354720) said:
@kevb said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354679) said:
@lauren said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1354370) said:
I'm a person that has often noted the poor performance culture at the club as justification for Luke's poor development. While I haven't specifically blamed Benji or Robbie as the main cause for disruption, I do however believe that the club's previous organisational incompetence, quality of the team and frequent instability are major factors.
I can recognise that he's got some deficiencies  and poor leadership qualities including a lack of valour. Yet I believe he can turn things around given he can work on the mental, physical, tactical and technical elements of his game.

We all obviously don't see eye to eye on that and it's understandable but no offence my(or anyone else) applying this reasoning isn't to make excuses. In fact, they both mean completely different things.
When the Brooks supporters on here, myself included, stand by these reasons to why he's unable to produce certain traits/plays (being vocal, his kicks and try assists the most common) it isn't to be combative at all but we're simply applying some logic to why he's undeveloped in these areas.
In all team sports, an individual's growth is dependent on the coaching and team around him too. So at present not only would he be working on building on his own skills and other new ones, but he'd also be learning how to modify his game to serve or suit the needs of another newly formed team.

I'd say the only concern is his confidence and if he can take accountability of it he'd be in more control of everything.

Seriously Luke Brookes has played over 150 NRL games and you assert he "LACKS VALOUR" my understanding of word valour means courage. With respect Lauren if you believe anyone who has played 150 games of NRL lacks courage you havE no idea what it takes to play at this level.

I would never ever associate that word with the physical aspect of rugby league.
If you can understand that the outline of my post is relating the culture of the club and it's impact on Luke's development (especially the ongoing psychological challenges he's faced), and read that particular passage, you'd see this word has only been used only in regards to his leadership skills and ability.
I specifically meant, the courage to do whatever it takes to be the best and expect the same from those around him. To be relentless in pursuit of this and always strive to deliver the best results.
The only reason I even said it in the first place, is because it's obvious he has some confidence issues and his self-belief has sometimes appeared (that's obviously only my opinion though) to be shot and I'd like to see him overcome it.

I am honestly one of the last persons you'd hear say something to that degree about Luke. I actually literally tried to report a comment(just the other day) on the forum which suggested one of our other players smash or hurt him.

Yep , it’s clearly in his head . I don’t think anyone will disagree there . He runs when he should pass he passes when he should run , he thinks way too much . I don’t think it’s because he can’t control the team , or is overwhelmed by the responsibility, but that he lacks confidence in his own abilities . So he’s kind of like the coach in the water boy , who had his book stolen . He’s still a great coach , he just thinks way too much and can’t get out of his own way . The person who can get him to free his mind , will unlock the star he can be . Most have given up on the kid. I still have hope , even though I understand I’m probably on a sinking ship.
 
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Brooks leaving and going to another level club and going to another level would prove once and for all that the problem is the club and not the player. And don’t think it couldn’t happen.

Unless he has a stellar 2nd half of the season, it absolutely will happen. Doesn’t mean it’s the club though. Just means that Brooks is not what we need right now.

Hopefully with Doueihi taking the lead it will free up Brooks to play to his advantage. It may be enough then again may not. I would guess he has until the end of the season to play his part, otherwise he’ll be shopped around which would be for the benefit of both parties.

If he does go , I hope madden not Hastings is the halves choice . He’s a tough little bugger with a big voice and some mongrel .
 
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Hope that Strongee's little blow up isnt considered bad form by the mods. I hope he sticks around. Im all for differing opinions and a bit of banter.

As for the Luke Brooks discussion ill have a go at the "my opinion - your opinion and the truth" thing.

**My opinion =** Luke Brooks is cooked at the Wests Tigers. Doesnt have the mental drive and toughness to turn around his complete lack of confidence. And even if he did he was only a mid range half back to start with.

**Your Opinion =** Luke Brooks has been hard done by and has genuine excuses for his form. he will come good. In the grand scheme of things he is one of the top 6 to 8 halves on the game and deserves his spot in our team going forward.

**The Truth =** Luke Brooks is an NRL half back. He is not a reserve grader. The trouble however is that he is struggling to lift his form and adjust to a style that doesnt completely suit him. He played well last week and did his job. Some of his kicking was very good, the placement spot on.

With great halves like Thurston, Johns, young Sam Walker etc they were genuine footballers. Not athlete footballers but genuine footballers who could read a line and play heads up footy.

Alexander and Johns commented recently on a sports radio show how Luke Brooks runs into the defensive line a little too often. Kind of like he doesnt know when to pass or when to run, as in he is not reading the play in front of him but just relying on natural talent to create something.

It was a one of the best reviews of the Luke Brooks situation i have heard. It reminded me of the Milford situation at the Broncos. Talented player but doesnt make the right play at the right time often enough to take away the enormous pressure he has placed on himself.

I see Brooks and Milford as very similar. Both naturally talented but neither are just out and out footballers who can read the play and execute what is needed when it is needed.

In short good player but not a player capable of lifting his team to any great heights.

None of that is true haha . And that’s not my opinion . But thanks for clarifying a position you clearly don’t understand , just to rationalise it for yourself . Seriously man , what the actual ?


Ill give you something that is very true about me. Im a bit blunt when im know im right about a player.

No hard feelings, youre entitled to your opinion.

What ? What has that got to do with what my opinion is ? I swear I’ve said it 100 times on here , yet you still paraphrase and summarise it to something completely unlike what I’ve said . I couldn’t be any clearer .
And what are you right about ? That he’s not nrl standard ? The rest of the nrl clubs would ? disagree with you . Every club would snap him up , who didn’t have an elite half . That’s all the answer I need to that question . So all your ramblings , amount for nothing if the people who do this for a living disagree with you to the tune they’d pay him half a mil to kick a ball around .
So you don’t know anything, how can you if that’s the general consensus in the NRL. And it is because the cowboys just came knocking and were willing to pay full freight .
Like I said , I think he’s slightly above league average , which is a shame because he could have been elite . But thank the basket case of Wests tigers past for that .


You have misread my posts. I cleary state he is an NRL player.

Sorry if you are looking for me to bite on your comments mate but im all good. If you want to get yourself banned you will have to go harder. Youll also have to find someone else to go back at you. It wont be me.

As ive stated youre entitled to your opinion.

Moving on.

Cheers.

No you paraphrased everything I said , only into nothing at all like what I said . And now what you want to pretend like you’re taking the high road . Sorry all the stuff you e said over the past few months totally undermine you .
I hope Brooks moves on for the record , it will suck to see someone who should have been the Aus halfback , be a shell of what he could have been, leave , but we messed him up to a point the club should be ashamed of themselves . He was supposed to be the sure fire , can’t lose prospect and now , he’s anything but that . It’s a real indictment on this club . And that’s why I stand by him , mainly because I know how much we messed him up , and it’s shameful . Its like what the Houston Texans did to David Carr years ago . He was again this can’t miss quarterback , who got hammered his first 5 years in the league , that by the time they fixed the rest of thier team , he had been ruined by bad coaching and blokes who couldn’t protect him .

Haha we messed him up.. u got to be kidding he's a professional football player. He has control of his form and only him.. there is no more growth in him. He has peaked and unfortunately he has folded like a deck chair to **douhie a 6 game rookie**... the club did everything they could to give him the opportunity. Unfortunately he has not stepped up.....

Doueihi has played 57 NRL games

At 5/8th for us =6

Meh

Fullback and 5/8 play very similar in attack these days. Only difference is defending in the front line..he knows what he’s doing

Not a rookie

?‍♂️

Lol

I’d say he’s played more games in the centre’s in his total number of games

Still a rookie 5/8


?

Adam Doueihi NRL career Fullback 30 Wing 1 Centre 6 Halves 12 Bench 8 games...

remember he's not a fullback..

Can't believe people getting angty that Doueihi is showing signs to be a good leader as his not Brooks...I hope he slays it every week..great game against the Dragons ..week before not so much...more games he plays the better..

I’m stoked Doueihi is our main playmaker ..
The discussion is how Brooks is the weakest link even after having half a dozen half’s partners and having played so many games .
 
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