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@razor7 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1434534) said:
No one doubts Luke’s efforts in defence. Unfortunately he demonstrates zero leadership ability or the the capacity to steer the team around the paddock at level of consistency required for what we currently require . He’s had years to develop both

And some one made him captain, lol
🤔😂
 
Very good no7s are usually a member of a very good spine. Our spine is inexperienced and at present ineffective. That makes it hard for any of them to shine.

In saying that Brooks probably needs to move on to see if he has another level. There are plenty of sevens who are below him but there are also plenty in front of him. We need a absolute standout to get this roster anywhere near the eight
 
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Should of cut him 3 yrs ago.. hope jock madden gets a go before year is out...

Unless Brooks is injured, Madden won't get a go, and there's quite a difference between him and Brooks and Madden does not come out in front.

Based on one game? How’s our mate Tyson gamble going over at the broncos. He wasn’t the best in the couple of games he played. Broncos gave him a chance and he’s killing it. I would happily take him over brooks without any thought.

Brooks is more talented but Tyson is more of a competitor. That's what I saw in the guy. Hopefully Hastings brings the same kind of passion because as we have seem Luke is just happy to receive a pay check and has no second gear.

Brooks sitting some of the biggest opposition forwards on their backsides tends to suggest he is a competitor and fearless. I would also consider that type of effort should inspire his team mates to do the same.

So our fearless halfback is an amazing defender? Anything else he can do as part of his job description? Organise a team? Kick us into field position? Set up tries? Take charge when the game is on the line? Lead us to finals ? As Phil Gould would say “no,no,no,no”. You see all the faults in madge but are happy to keep defending this guy who will never lead us to finals let alone win us a premiership.
 
The fact remains with Brooks at 7 the team is going nowhere … no use being a good defender if with 5 mins remaining in a game the guy that gets the ball most has no idea and tanks .. this is after 150 games.
His time is up at this club unfortunately there are to many excuses not to show hm the door.
 
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Should of cut him 3 yrs ago.. hope jock madden gets a go before year is out...

Unless Brooks is injured, Madden won't get a go, and there's quite a difference between him and Brooks and Madden does not come out in front.

Based on one game? How’s our mate Tyson gamble going over at the broncos. He wasn’t the best in the couple of games he played. Broncos gave him a chance and he’s killing it. I would happily take him over brooks without any thought.

Brooks is more talented but Tyson is more of a competitor. That's what I saw in the guy. Hopefully Hastings brings the same kind of passion because as we have seem Luke is just happy to receive a pay check and has no second gear.

Brooks sitting some of the biggest opposition forwards on their backsides tends to suggest he is a competitor and fearless. I would also consider that type of effort should inspire his team mates to do the same.


He sure is competitive. I remember the Titans game when David Fifita was knocking over 3 or more of our forwards like they were 9 pins, but Brooks managed to nail him one on one more than once. Wally Lewis had that fierce competitive attitude in a game. IMO the true leaders have that leadership quality which sends a very loud clear message to teammates. Anyone can tell someone how to do it, but real leaders show the way. That is why Brooks was captain.

I'm not sure how he showed any leadership against the Warriors. Sure, he can tackle blokes bigger than him, but so does Twal.

Where was the leadership when no one was at dummy half or when the team was on the front foot twice and they decided to try a hail mary 2 point field goal? As Cronk said after the game, he went missing or more accurately made bad decisions.


Is there a half that Cronk hasn’t been critical of at some point? That’s his current job, critiquing performance, especially of #7s.
To answer your question..where was Brooks when we needed a DH? Idk? My screen isn’t big enough. I saw only an outside back in the frame, who looked like he was expecting someone else to do the job and there in lies the core issue, we never seem to have 13 leaders on the park for 80min.
 
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@haberfield_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1433766) said:
Should of cut him 3 yrs ago.. hope jock madden gets a go before year is out...

Unless Brooks is injured, Madden won't get a go, and there's quite a difference between him and Brooks and Madden does not come out in front.

Based on one game? How’s our mate Tyson gamble going over at the broncos. He wasn’t the best in the couple of games he played. Broncos gave him a chance and he’s killing it. I would happily take him over brooks without any thought.

Brooks is more talented but Tyson is more of a competitor. That's what I saw in the guy. Hopefully Hastings brings the same kind of passion because as we have seem Luke is just happy to receive a pay check and has no second gear.

Brooks sitting some of the biggest opposition forwards on their backsides tends to suggest he is a competitor and fearless. I would also consider that type of effort should inspire his team mates to do the same.


He sure is competitive. I remember the Titans game when David Fifita was knocking over 3 or more of our forwards like they were 9 pins, but Brooks managed to nail him one on one more than once. Wally Lewis had that fierce competitive attitude in a game. IMO the true leaders have that leadership quality which sends a very loud clear message to teammates. Anyone can tell someone how to do it, but real leaders show the way. That is why Brooks was captain.

I'm not sure how he showed any leadership against the Warriors. Sure, he can tackle blokes bigger than him, but so does Twal.

Where was the leadership when no one was at dummy half or when the team was on the front foot twice and they decided to try a hail mary 2 point field goal? As Cronk said after the game, he went missing or more accurately made bad decisions.


Is there a half that Cronk hasn’t been critical of at some point? That’s his current job, critiquing performance, especially of #7s.
To answer your question..where was Brooks when we needed a DH? Idk? My screen isn’t big enough. I saw only an outside back in the frame, who looked like he was expecting someone else to do the job and there in lies the core issue, we never seem to have 13 leaders on the park for 80min.

It’s hard to say. Maybe it comes down to coaching I’m not certain but Joffa has made that run and that half break several times this season.
Where was Brooks? He was probably out of frame getting the rest of the line set up for the next play.
Fair enough. But this is probably a small example of a big problem our season and once again I’m not sure whose to blame but it is rare this year to see either of Brooks / Liddle or Daine, Mbye. Piggy backing off those runs and making it into something more.
We were in the Top eight for points scored. But you could argue a lot of those tries have been structured.
See the arguement that Madge isn’t the best Tactical coach fails at that part where you realise that when in the red zone we invariably score. So he can plan a structured set and Brooks can also carry this out.

It’s when the play is broken or not to script where we don’t know what to do with it. Maybe it’s a bit of Jason Taylor ball, trying to keep the job simple etc. but no doubt not one of our spine players expected Joffa to take the run that far across field and end up in the position he did.
Blore was the man that should of been there. And he realised that all to late.
However and my point is. Someone should of been on Joffa’s hip either expecting an offload or ready to set up the next play.
In that case probably should of been Brooks but that would of broken them out of the plan for the next set.

Teams that have succeeded so far this year are playing play by play, capitalising off the opportunity that presents. We either lack that instinct in the players or we have been coached to Follow a fairly rigid plan with not much room for instinctive opportunities.
 
@razor7 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1434534) said:
No one doubts Luke’s efforts in defence. Unfortunately he demonstrates zero leadership ability or the the capacity to steer the team around the paddock at level of consistency required for what we currently require . He’s had years to develop both

Yeah, it's great that he can tackle but not exactly the most important trait for a halfback. Would rather him be able to control, manage and win games lol.
 
@jc99 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1434591) said:
@razor7 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1434534) said:
No one doubts Luke’s efforts in defence. Unfortunately he demonstrates zero leadership ability or the the capacity to steer the team around the paddock at level of consistency required for what we currently require . He’s had years to develop both

Yeah, it's great that he can tackle but not exactly the most important trait for a halfback. Would rather him be able to control, manage and win games lol.

It’s the only thing the brooks fan base can fall back on. We are the only club in the history of NRL that has persisted with an incompetent halfback for so long. Croft doesn’t cut it, Melbourne move him on, now the broncos don’t want him. Flanagan doesn’t have it, gets dropped and they what to move him on. We have a coach who can’t coach and a halfback who can’t manage a team or win us a game. Both great blokes, but great blokes don’t win you games.
 
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Should of cut him 3 yrs ago.. hope jock madden gets a go before year is out...

Unless Brooks is injured, Madden won't get a go, and there's quite a difference between him and Brooks and Madden does not come out in front.

Based on one game? How’s our mate Tyson gamble going over at the broncos. He wasn’t the best in the couple of games he played. Broncos gave him a chance and he’s killing it. I would happily take him over brooks without any thought.

Brooks is more talented but Tyson is more of a competitor. That's what I saw in the guy. Hopefully Hastings brings the same kind of passion because as we have seem Luke is just happy to receive a pay check and has no second gear.

Brooks sitting some of the biggest opposition forwards on their backsides tends to suggest he is a competitor and fearless. I would also consider that type of effort should inspire his team mates to do the same.

So our fearless halfback is an amazing defender? Anything else he can do as part of his job description? Organise a team? Kick us into field position? Set up tries? Take charge when the game is on the line? Lead us to finals ? As Phil Gould would say “no,no,no,no”. You see all the faults in madge but are happy to keep defending this guy who will never lead us to finals let alone win us a premiership.

Organise a team? Kick us into field position? Set up tries?

Our attacking stats would suggest yes, yes, yes.
Tigers rank 8th for points scored. Brooks ranks 13th in the league for try assists (Doueihi 9th).

This is despite being 13th for defense. That poor defense ranking suggests we concede territory and possession, so to score points despite this means he must be doing something right.

Take charge when the game is on the line? Lead us to finals ?
This remains doubtful but i don't think there is a half in the game that could take us to the finals with the squad we've got, or had the past 5 years.

I have no issues with moving on from Brooks. I think it could be the best thing for both him and the club. But, I don't see the point of getting rid of him when we don't have a better option.
 
Where were all you Brooks critics for the last few weeks?!
Left me to fend for myself against the LBA!!

Don't do that again! :laughing:
 
@gregjm87 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1434635) said:
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@haberfield_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1433766) said:
Should of cut him 3 yrs ago.. hope jock madden gets a go before year is out...

Unless Brooks is injured, Madden won't get a go, and there's quite a difference between him and Brooks and Madden does not come out in front.

Based on one game? How’s our mate Tyson gamble going over at the broncos. He wasn’t the best in the couple of games he played. Broncos gave him a chance and he’s killing it. I would happily take him over brooks without any thought.

Brooks is more talented but Tyson is more of a competitor. That's what I saw in the guy. Hopefully Hastings brings the same kind of passion because as we have seem Luke is just happy to receive a pay check and has no second gear.

Brooks sitting some of the biggest opposition forwards on their backsides tends to suggest he is a competitor and fearless. I would also consider that type of effort should inspire his team mates to do the same.

So our fearless halfback is an amazing defender? Anything else he can do as part of his job description? Organise a team? Kick us into field position? Set up tries? Take charge when the game is on the line? Lead us to finals ? As Phil Gould would say “no,no,no,no”. You see all the faults in madge but are happy to keep defending this guy who will never lead us to finals let alone win us a premiership.

Organise a team? Kick us into field position? Set up tries?

Our attacking stats would suggest yes, yes, yes.
Tigers rank 8th for points scored. Brooks ranks 13th in the league for try assists (Doueihi 9th).

This is despite being 13th for defense. That poor defense ranking suggests we concede territory and possession, so to score points despite this means he must be doing something right.

Take charge when the game is on the line? Lead us to finals ?
This remains doubtful but i don't think there is a half in the game that could take us to the finals with the squad we've got, or had the past 5 years.

I have no issues with moving on from Brooks. I think it could be the best thing for both him and the club. But, I don't see the point of getting rid of him when we don't have a better option.

Fox Sports Lab has Brooks 19 TA (8th) Doueihi 14 (15th) as a halves combo they are providing points..

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/stats/players?wpa=BB44D82C3D7223D393F2AE47579FB5EA6791ABE4&editiondata=none&fromakamai=true&pt=none&device=DESKTOP&sortBy=tryAssists
 
Went off nrl.com stats but either way yes they are providing points. I dont understand why we continue to point the finger at the halves when our attack is fine.
Especially the half that is also more than holding his own in defence as well.
 
@demps said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1434535) said:
@razor7 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1434534) said:
No one doubts Luke’s efforts in defence. Unfortunately he demonstrates zero leadership ability or the the capacity to steer the team around the paddock at level of consistency required for what we currently require . He’s had years to develop both

And some one made him captain, lol
??

It really was a dumb choice, and it played out exactly as I thought it would, Brooks caved with the added pressure
 
@851 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1434692) said:
@demps said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1434535) said:
@razor7 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1434534) said:
No one doubts Luke’s efforts in defence. Unfortunately he demonstrates zero leadership ability or the the capacity to steer the team around the paddock at level of consistency required for what we currently require . He’s had years to develop both

And some one made him captain, lol
??

It really was a dumb choice, and it played out exactly as I thought it would, Brooks caved with the added pressure

Yep.

AD a better choice.
Even if he had an off night.
 
@gregjm87 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1434687) said:
Went off nrl.com stats but either way yes they are providing points. I dont understand why we continue to point the finger at the halves when our attack is fine.
Especially the half that is also more than holding his own in defence as well.

What’s also being forgotten about is this is the first season where Brooks has taken the reigns as the sole organiser of the field. And that is the whole width of the field.
He might not be doing the best job on the final touches of play mind you 19 TA say otherwise but he was also coached this season to focus on organising the forwards, the backline have been organised by Doueihi and Laurie.
Losing Laurie definitely reduced the talk in that space last week.
Cheek was out of position on too many occasions. I heard people talk about consistency leading to a side performing well. Well think about the number of changes to the left and right of his attacking shape and the halves he has had to endure this season.
 
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