Luke Brooks

[TigerWest]

https://youtu.be/30lUJef-guU

Pretty average player when his forwards create some space

3 mins of highlights from 148 games ?

The other 12000 minutes was Eisenhuth and MCK stinking it up

Probably ?

He’s been working with duds mate, we’re slowly fixing it, give him a chance.

He’s had more than enough chances imo ..
I just think he’s a bit thick between the ears .

Agree, He doesn’t seem like the most cluey bloke or very confident but he has good rugby league instincts. Behind a pack that’s rolling he would have a lot more opportunity to use his skillset and his confidence will grow. I hope Tamou and Musgrove really fire this year and a few young forwards follow their lead, his game will elevate.

Great news ...you just got the award for a millionth quote saying that Brooks doesn't have forwards to push his barrow

No excuses in 21 then ...or is this forward pack just more plodders as well ?????

I know mate I was really shocked too when Freddy overlooked Eisenhuth, MCK, an ageing centre named Lawrence pretending to be a back rower, Packer and Oliver Clarke. Oh and how did ET and Seyfarth not feature. Robbed.

I heard he was keen on former NZL plodders for the Blues too.

What about the season he played behind Woods ,Taupau ,Blair ...and had Tedesco and Farah

Or do we just ignore them because they don't fit the storyline

Last season we had heaps saying we were Top 8 material and this was our best side in a few years ...but when Brooks fails ...again..they are crap .....stories change to suit storylines ..or closer to the point fairytales

If Brooks fails in 2021 he has to go .....101st time now or when he turns 35 we will still be raving about him ...being on the verge of success ...going to take us to the promised land

He’s not a miracle worker mate, football people much smarter than me will tell you you can’t win regularly without a dominant forward pack. That’s 6 players, not one or two. Look at what the top sides are trotting out.

But he’s got to do something other than look for excuses.

 

[twentyforty]

My golf game improved dramatically, when I stopped watching the plodders I was playing with each week and instead watched the pros in tournaments. There’s a million cliches to explain this phenomenon but imo none better than “its hard to fly like an eagle when you’re surrounded by turkeys.” And before all the anti Brooks “fan club” let fly with coat hangers, I’m not making excuses, just being realistic.

 

[earl]

I wonder if Brooks is the reverse Momo. He honestly isn't that bad. I compare him to other halves in the comp and he is pretty good.

He does take the wrong option too many times. That is the problem. I think part of this problem is that he is a physical half back and he gets fatigued and then makes some bad decisions at key moments. He can also come up with some good plays. That kick to AD when we beat Manly (I think) showed that he can do it. If you watch those highlights above he has something special as well.

I'm interested in seeing how he goes this year but I just view him as one part of the team. I think Nathan Cleary is a good player to compare Brooks too. Cleary does so many things right - his defense and kicking game are both fantastic plus he is a robust runner of the footy. Cleary is also pretty ordinary when it comes to creating opportunities. I'd have Brooks well ahead of Cleary in creativity and his running game. Defensively I think Cleary is a little better and Cleary's kicking game is miles ahead of Brooks.

I think Brooks can have a good year but we just have to wait and see what happens.

 

[Needaname]

Has there ever been a player given so many excuses for under performing as Brooks?
He's got talent but obviously not much nous.
Keep taking the wrong options this year and he'll be saying goodbye.
Looks like we might finally have a younger halfback to put some pressure on him.

The excuses just keep rolling in it seems.

It Grants service
It's Benji
It's our forwards
It's the game plan
It's the coach
It's the bus driver
It's his mum not putting enough Vegemite on his toast
It's the weather
It's the culture
It's Mabo
It's the serenity
It's Brooks life matters
It's covid
It's the price of Bananas after a cyclone
It's the colour of his boots
It's the ball
It's the refs
It's the vibe
It's the media putting big wraps on him too early
It's his carspot at training
It's single mums
It's the phase of the moon
It's Demons
It's the Devil

3 try assists,
C'mon Lukey boy you can do better mate.

Is there a halfback under more pressure in 2021?

You are not the only fan disappointed with how his career has gone. But please be more reasonable in your assessment.
Can you name one halfback who would've been competent in taking this team to the finals over the last 7 years? Or capable of making us a Top 4 quality team in the same period? A halfback good enough to elevate this whole team?
Because I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly and it sounds like you think Brooks is a big failure for not successfully doing this by now.
That would've been a complete miracle, considering the sole responsibility doesn't fall on one player but rather how the team is made up and plays as a unit. The most ever-changing one in the NRL, at that. With the coaching instability to go with it.

Fair enough you feel a certain way and think he's unable to lead the team to glory but some of your points relate to factors which are not of Luke's account and exclude the biggest reason or highest contributing factors on why teams are excelling. (They have had dominant forward packs, well established combinations with their spine players, great strike players etc., etc.).
I believe the last time we had a team that closely resembled this was in 2010 and 2011.
So, it's any wonder the trajectory of his development and career has gone so wayward given the inconsistency has always been at foundation level.
Honestly don't see how any player in his position could've thrived in this environment. I otherwise couldn't agree more you though, that last year should be the biggest wake up call for him.

Did you see the stats of the halfbacks of the teams that finished below us last year?

Not to be rude but could you please stop talking in riddles?!?
There's absolutely no benefit to it, as it only means topics will continue to go around in circles.

Luke absolutely sucked in 2020. We've covered this - time and time again.
Same goes with discussions on his development.
To answer your question though, the answer is no. Why relive something that adds nothing new to the conversation?
Fans are probably 50/50 on Brooks. So it's not like your thoughts or feelings are that ground breaking either.

The Harry and Liddle comparisons are also getting a little annoying.
Harry's a gun but stop acting like the system he's at and its culture isn't vital to shaping his talent development or trajectory of his career.
Being part of an elite breeding ground will always Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon a club treading above water and criticising players for their injury history is just plain stupid IMO.
Even more so, start having some faith in the club. Though our expectations are mostly hypothetical at this point, things are run a lot differently now and it's only a matter of time when this will reflect on the field.

The lack of objectivity drives me crazy more than anything . I don’t care which side of the fence you sit , but to downright make comments like “he hasn’t played well the last couple of years “ is absolute dog crap . He won our player of the year in 2019 . And Happy saying he hasn’t played well for 8 years . Makes me think those people are either dumb as , or subscribing to the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon way of debating . Just pretend anything that undermines your point never happens and it’s all fake news .

heard it all now ......im saying if Brook doesnt fire this season he needs to go ....and now im a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporter ......you really cant stand people taking a contrary opinion to yours

I don’t know about anyone else …but if I failed in my job for 7/8 years running and had one good year …I am looking for a new

So that wasn’t you ? . Once again your doing exactly what my point was . Just make stuff up , to deflect from the fact , and deny ever actually saying stuff , that undermines your position.
? Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon playbook. I didn’t say supporter just the tactic .

We don't make the 8 ...he is the top line playmaker ...hey has to own it ...and funnily does own it in pressers he does ...but you don't ??

What are you talking about ? I’m talking about you , not brooks .
If brooks plays like a busted , especially with madden waiting in the wings , of course he should be replaced . But I literally rewatched 4 games today . Rounds 17-20 last year , because I wanted to see what was real or not . And brooks in all 4 games was one of our best . But he didn’t get the try asisots so . He sux . If I was using advanced metrics , I would devise a stat for points scored down a side , or points initiated . Because the way our systems work , brooks set up a lot of half chances or cutout balls to Mbye or AD or a centre to put the wing away. Maybe not the games before those rounds . I didn’t go back and watch to be honest , but those 4 games , whilst he only had I think 2 try assists , the expansion of play , and his desire to put his backs in a position to do thier thing was obvious . Benji got all the try assists , yet drifted into his centres space so much , and almost literally took the try assists away form Mbye and AD , talau and Joey . Go watch . I’m not making this up .
Brooks needs to get his try assists up in one way alone . Kicks . His kicking game near the line was anus , and a big contributor to his drop in try assists .

why are you talking about me .....am I playing in the 6 jersey

Your stretching mate .....none of the games you mentioned stood out to anyone here ...2020 is history

and will say for the 100th time if Brooks fails in 2021 he has to go

Yeah briliant! Who would you buy ?

The form half in 2021 ....Ok with you champ

Too many on this Forum are happy with mediocrity

Yeah good one.
We just resigned the form Winger of 2020 and most people are blowing up about it.

 

[sleeve]

Numbers 1,6,7,9,we all know are the key positions in a side.All of these positions rely on each other to perform in their individual role.Many on here are looking for 1 particular scapegoat,and have forgotten the biggest problem.--FULLBACK. A good FB not only organises the defence but gains valuable meters on kick returns,thereby giving the forwards the the advantage of defending further upfield.The good attacking FB is also crucial joining in the backline and through the ruck.Teddy,Paps,Mitchell,Edwards,Tommy,Gutherson,and others were massive attacking weapons for their sides and made the job of the 6,7,and 9 so much easier.Our side has lacked a decent FB for a long time.

 

[cochise]

Has there ever been a player given so many excuses for under performing as Brooks?
He's got talent but obviously not much nous.
Keep taking the wrong options this year and he'll be saying goodbye.
Looks like we might finally have a younger halfback to put some pressure on him.

The excuses just keep rolling in it seems.

It Grants service
It's Benji
It's our forwards
It's the game plan
It's the coach
It's the bus driver
It's his mum not putting enough Vegemite on his toast
It's the weather
It's the culture
It's Mabo
It's the serenity
It's Brooks life matters
It's covid
It's the price of Bananas after a cyclone
It's the colour of his boots
It's the ball
It's the refs
It's the vibe
It's the media putting big wraps on him too early
It's his carspot at training
It's single mums
It's the phase of the moon
It's Demons
It's the Devil

3 try assists,
C'mon Lukey boy you can do better mate.

Is there a halfback under more pressure in 2021?

You are not the only fan disappointed with how his career has gone. But please be more reasonable in your assessment.
Can you name one halfback who would've been competent in taking this team to the finals over the last 7 years? Or capable of making us a Top 4 quality team in the same period? A halfback good enough to elevate this whole team?
Because I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly and it sounds like you think Brooks is a big failure for not successfully doing this by now.
That would've been a complete miracle, considering the sole responsibility doesn't fall on one player but rather how the team is made up and plays as a unit. The most ever-changing one in the NRL, at that. With the coaching instability to go with it.

Fair enough you feel a certain way and think he's unable to lead the team to glory but some of your points relate to factors which are not of Luke's account and exclude the biggest reason or highest contributing factors on why teams are excelling. (They have had dominant forward packs, well established combinations with their spine players, great strike players etc., etc.).
I believe the last time we had a team that closely resembled this was in 2010 and 2011.
So, it's any wonder the trajectory of his development and career has gone so wayward given the inconsistency has always been at foundation level.
Honestly don't see how any player in his position could've thrived in this environment. I otherwise couldn't agree more you though, that last year should be the biggest wake up call for him.

Did you see the stats of the halfbacks of the teams that finished below us last year?

Not to be rude but could you please stop talking in riddles?!?
There's absolutely no benefit to it, as it only means topics will continue to go around in circles.

Luke absolutely sucked in 2020. We've covered this - time and time again.
Same goes with discussions on his development.
To answer your question though, the answer is no. Why relive something that adds nothing new to the conversation?
Fans are probably 50/50 on Brooks. So it's not like your thoughts or feelings are that ground breaking either.

The Harry and Liddle comparisons are also getting a little annoying.
Harry's a gun but stop acting like the system he's at and its culture isn't vital to shaping his talent development or trajectory of his career.
Being part of an elite breeding ground will always Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon a club treading above water and criticising players for their injury history is just plain stupid IMO.
Even more so, start having some faith in the club. Though our expectations are mostly hypothetical at this point, things are run a lot differently now and it's only a matter of time when this will reflect on the field.

The lack of objectivity drives me crazy more than anything . I don’t care which side of the fence you sit , but to downright make comments like “he hasn’t played well the last couple of years “ is absolute dog crap . He won our player of the year in 2019 . And Happy saying he hasn’t played well for 8 years . Makes me think those people are either dumb as , or subscribing to the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon way of debating . Just pretend anything that undermines your point never happens and it’s all fake news .

heard it all now ......im saying if Brook doesnt fire this season he needs to go ....and now im a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporter ......you really cant stand people taking a contrary opinion to yours

I don’t know about anyone else …but if I failed in my job for 7/8 years running and had one good year …I am looking for a new

So that wasn’t you ? . Once again your doing exactly what my point was . Just make stuff up , to deflect from the fact , and deny ever actually saying stuff , that undermines your position.
? Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon playbook. I didn’t say supporter just the tactic .

We don't make the 8 ...he is the top line playmaker ...hey has to own it ...and funnily does own it in pressers he does ...but you don't ??

What are you talking about ? I’m talking about you , not brooks .
If brooks plays like a busted , especially with madden waiting in the wings , of course he should be replaced . But I literally rewatched 4 games today . Rounds 17-20 last year , because I wanted to see what was real or not . And brooks in all 4 games was one of our best . But he didn’t get the try asisots so . He sux . If I was using advanced metrics , I would devise a stat for points scored down a side , or points initiated . Because the way our systems work , brooks set up a lot of half chances or cutout balls to Mbye or AD or a centre to put the wing away. Maybe not the games before those rounds . I didn’t go back and watch to be honest , but those 4 games , whilst he only had I think 2 try assists , the expansion of play , and his desire to put his backs in a position to do thier thing was obvious . Benji got all the try assists , yet drifted into his centres space so much , and almost literally took the try assists away form Mbye and AD , talau and Joey . Go watch . I’m not making this up .
Brooks needs to get his try assists up in one way alone . Kicks . His kicking game near the line was anus , and a big contributor to his drop in try assists .

why are you talking about me .....am I playing in the 6 jersey

Your stretching mate .....none of the games you mentioned stood out to anyone here ...2020 is history

and will say for the 100th time if Brooks fails in 2021 he has to go

I’m stretching ? You know who the dumbest people on earth are ?
It’s not the people who are simple and know that. It’s The ones who think they’re the smartest , and have no doubt . I have serious doubts as to what I’m right and wrong about , and as such go back to see with a more open eye whenever I can, as when I watched it the first time or read it , or listened to it, I was watching with my heart as much as my head . I’m literally telling you I watched 5 hrs and 20 mins of footy today , and you say I’m stretching , when I offer an informed opinion based on facts . Once again I say , you’re more interested in winning some make believe straw man arguement than having an educated conversation. And honestly , I’ve lost respect in you happy . I thought you were smarter than that . But you’ve totally misread my last 5 posts , or disregarded them , or not understood them . Either way , I don’t respect your opinion , and I’m not interested in reading it anymore .
Not because I disagree , but because you are unwilling to look at things objectively , which means your opinion is an uneducated one .

Funniest thing I have read.
Post after post telling everyone that Brooks is so wonderful and has continually been let down by his dud teammates and you are accusing someone else of not being objective when they don’t agree.

I’m not ! Lol I’m saying admit simple facts . That’s it . Hard all, apparently that’s the forum equivalent of asking to admit the world is round . For some reason an impossible task . Whether you agree or not is irrelevant . Just admit truths.
Truth number 1 - he was dally m halfback of the year in 2018
Truth number 2 - he was our player of the year in 2019.
Truth number 3 - whilst being extremely poor most of last year , he was very good rounds 17-20.
Truth number 4 - he has not been a passenger prior to 2018 . He was woefully and frustratingly inconsistent, but not “bad at his job for 8 years” .
Thats what I’m railing against . That none of you haters will admit those 4 truths . And it’s unbelievably frustrating to read . And makes me think if we can’t agree to truths over something so pointless as to facts about a random footy player , this world doomed with big issues .
Whether you think he’s crap is Fine ! For the 100th time . Just don’t make crap up that is true. Stop conveniently leaving out facts you know are true to prove a point .
The fact you can’t understand that , does my head in . I literally laid it out and your dumb ass comes straight back with “you don’t like when people disagree with you” lol . Proving my whole point . And you don’t even realise it ! Lol

Only 2 of those are facts.

 

[kiwitiger]

https://youtu.be/30lUJef-guU

Pretty average player when his forwards create some space

3 mins of highlights from 148 games ?

The other 12000 minutes was Eisenhuth and MCK stinking it up

Probably ?

He’s been working with duds mate, we’re slowly fixing it, give him a chance.

He’s had more than enough chances imo ..
I just think he’s a bit thick between the ears .

Agree, He doesn’t seem like the most cluey bloke or very confident but he has good rugby league instincts. Behind a pack that’s rolling he would have a lot more opportunity to use his skillset and his confidence will grow. I hope Tamou and Musgrove really fire this year and a few young forwards follow their lead, his game will elevate.

Great news ...you just got the award for a millionth quote saying that Brooks doesn't have forwards to push his barrow

No excuses in 21 then ...or is this forward pack just more plodders as well ?????

Tbh hap I worry about our pack for next year. Seems to me the size of our pack is going to be big like madge liked at Souths. I'm not sure the pack he is trying to build is going to suite the new rules as they try to speed up the game.
Hopefully I am completely wrong and he has the perfect balance. Its just the way madge likes to build his pack to date

 

[TrueTiger]

Has there ever been a player given so many excuses for under performing as Brooks?
He's got talent but obviously not much nous.
Keep taking the wrong options this year and he'll be saying goodbye.
Looks like we might finally have a younger halfback to put some pressure on him.

The excuses just keep rolling in it seems.

It Grants service
It's Benji
It's our forwards
It's the game plan
It's the coach
It's the bus driver
It's his mum not putting enough Vegemite on his toast
It's the weather
It's the culture
It's Mabo
It's the serenity
It's Brooks life matters
It's covid
It's the price of Bananas after a cyclone
It's the colour of his boots
It's the ball
It's the refs
It's the vibe
It's the media putting big wraps on him too early
It's his carspot at training
It's single mums
It's the phase of the moon
It's Demons
It's the Devil

3 try assists,
C'mon Lukey boy you can do better mate.

Is there a halfback under more pressure in 2021?

You are not the only fan disappointed with how his career has gone. But please be more reasonable in your assessment.
Can you name one halfback who would've been competent in taking this team to the finals over the last 7 years? Or capable of making us a Top 4 quality team in the same period? A halfback good enough to elevate this whole team?
Because I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly and it sounds like you think Brooks is a big failure for not successfully doing this by now.
That would've been a complete miracle, considering the sole responsibility doesn't fall on one player but rather how the team is made up and plays as a unit. The most ever-changing one in the NRL, at that. With the coaching instability to go with it.

Fair enough you feel a certain way and think he's unable to lead the team to glory but some of your points relate to factors which are not of Luke's account and exclude the biggest reason or highest contributing factors on why teams are excelling. (They have had dominant forward packs, well established combinations with their spine players, great strike players etc., etc.).
I believe the last time we had a team that closely resembled this was in 2010 and 2011.
So, it's any wonder the trajectory of his development and career has gone so wayward given the inconsistency has always been at foundation level.
Honestly don't see how any player in his position could've thrived in this environment. I otherwise couldn't agree more you though, that last year should be the biggest wake up call for him.

Did you see the stats of the halfbacks of the teams that finished below us last year?

Not to be rude but could you please stop talking in riddles?!?
There's absolutely no benefit to it, as it only means topics will continue to go around in circles.

Luke absolutely sucked in 2020. We've covered this - time and time again.
Same goes with discussions on his development.
To answer your question though, the answer is no. Why relive something that adds nothing new to the conversation?
Fans are probably 50/50 on Brooks. So it's not like your thoughts or feelings are that ground breaking either.

The Harry and Liddle comparisons are also getting a little annoying.
Harry's a gun but stop acting like the system he's at and its culture isn't vital to shaping his talent development or trajectory of his career.
Being part of an elite breeding ground will always Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon a club treading above water and criticising players for their injury history is just plain stupid IMO.
Even more so, start having some faith in the club. Though our expectations are mostly hypothetical at this point, things are run a lot differently now and it's only a matter of time when this will reflect on the field.

The lack of objectivity drives me crazy more than anything . I don’t care which side of the fence you sit , but to downright make comments like “he hasn’t played well the last couple of years “ is absolute dog crap . He won our player of the year in 2019 . And Happy saying he hasn’t played well for 8 years . Makes me think those people are either dumb as , or subscribing to the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon way of debating . Just pretend anything that undermines your point never happens and it’s all fake news .

heard it all now ......im saying if Brook doesnt fire this season he needs to go ....and now im a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporter ......you really cant stand people taking a contrary opinion to yours

I don’t know about anyone else …but if I failed in my job for 7/8 years running and had one good year …I am looking for a new

So that wasn’t you ? . Once again your doing exactly what my point was . Just make stuff up , to deflect from the fact , and deny ever actually saying stuff , that undermines your position.
? Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon playbook. I didn’t say supporter just the tactic .

We don't make the 8 ...he is the top line playmaker ...hey has to own it ...and funnily does own it in pressers he does ...but you don't ??

What are you talking about ? I’m talking about you , not brooks .
If brooks plays like a busted , especially with madden waiting in the wings , of course he should be replaced . But I literally rewatched 4 games today . Rounds 17-20 last year , because I wanted to see what was real or not . And brooks in all 4 games was one of our best . But he didn’t get the try asisots so . He sux . If I was using advanced metrics , I would devise a stat for points scored down a side , or points initiated . Because the way our systems work , brooks set up a lot of half chances or cutout balls to Mbye or AD or a centre to put the wing away. Maybe not the games before those rounds . I didn’t go back and watch to be honest , but those 4 games , whilst he only had I think 2 try assists , the expansion of play , and his desire to put his backs in a position to do thier thing was obvious . Benji got all the try assists , yet drifted into his centres space so much , and almost literally took the try assists away form Mbye and AD , talau and Joey . Go watch . I’m not making this up .
Brooks needs to get his try assists up in one way alone . Kicks . His kicking game near the line was anus , and a big contributor to his drop in try assists .

why are you talking about me .....am I playing in the 6 jersey

Your stretching mate .....none of the games you mentioned stood out to anyone here ...2020 is history

and will say for the 100th time if Brooks fails in 2021 he has to go

I’m stretching ? You know who the dumbest people on earth are ?
It’s not the people who are simple and know that. It’s The ones who think they’re the smartest , and have no doubt . I have serious doubts as to what I’m right and wrong about , and as such go back to see with a more open eye whenever I can, as when I watched it the first time or read it , or listened to it, I was watching with my heart as much as my head . I’m literally telling you I watched 5 hrs and 20 mins of footy today , and you say I’m stretching , when I offer an informed opinion based on facts . Once again I say , you’re more interested in winning some make believe straw man arguement than having an educated conversation. And honestly , I’ve lost respect in you happy . I thought you were smarter than that . But you’ve totally misread my last 5 posts , or disregarded them , or not understood them . Either way , I don’t respect your opinion , and I’m not interested in reading it anymore .
Not because I disagree , but because you are unwilling to look at things objectively , which means your opinion is an uneducated one .

Funniest thing I have read.
Post after post telling everyone that Brooks is so wonderful and has continually been let down by his dud teammates and you are accusing someone else of not being objective when they don’t agree.

I’m not ! Lol I’m saying admit simple facts . That’s it . Hard all, apparently that’s the forum equivalent of asking to admit the world is round . For some reason an impossible task . Whether you agree or not is irrelevant . Just admit truths.
Truth number 1 - he was dally m halfback of the year in 2018
Truth number 2 - he was our player of the year in 2019.
Truth number 3 - whilst being extremely poor most of last year , he was very good rounds 17-20.
Truth number 4 - he has not been a passenger prior to 2018 . He was woefully and frustratingly inconsistent, but not “bad at his job for 8 years” .
Thats what I’m railing against . That none of you haters will admit those 4 truths . And it’s unbelievably frustrating to read . And makes me think if we can’t agree to truths over something so pointless as to facts about a random footy player , this world doomed with big issues .
Whether you think he’s crap is Fine ! For the 100th time . Just don’t make crap up that is true. Stop conveniently leaving out facts you know are true to prove a point .
The fact you can’t understand that , does my head in . I literally laid it out and your dumb ass comes straight back with “you don’t like when people disagree with you” lol . Proving my whole point . And you don’t even realise it ! Lol

Only 2 of those are facts.

A true fact of this conversation is that it doesnt matter how much talent or ability you have individually, an NRL team must have players within it with the same percieved ability and talent so it works as a unit when coach puts gameplans and structures in place...to often have we seen our team with individual brilliance in half the team,only to be let down by the remaining players not being on the same page or not being gifted enough to either follow the plans or not good enough to be in the team,thats been the WTs for the last 8/9 years with chopping and changing the roster and coaches to frequently ....now hopefully we have the professional people in coaching,recruitment etc to finally give us stability and a shot at the finals and title in not to distant future...
I have said many times its to easy to blame players coaches etc if we havent walked a mile in their shoes,we however should really be really excited for this year as it appears we will be able to see nearly all the team supporting and playing for each other while the young guns develop and forge a career with us...

 

[JC99]

https://youtu.be/30lUJef-guU

Pretty average player when his forwards create some space

3 mins of highlights from 148 games ?

The other 12000 minutes was Eisenhuth and MCK stinking it up

Probably ?

He’s been working with duds mate, we’re slowly fixing it, give him a chance.

He’s had more than enough chances imo ..
I just think he’s a bit thick between the ears .

Agree, He doesn’t seem like the most cluey bloke or very confident but he has good rugby league instincts. Behind a pack that’s rolling he would have a lot more opportunity to use his skillset and his confidence will grow. I hope Tamou and Musgrove really fire this year and a few young forwards follow their lead, his game will elevate.

Great news ...you just got the award for a millionth quote saying that Brooks doesn't have forwards to push his barrow

No excuses in 21 then ...or is this forward pack just more plodders as well ?????

Tbh hap I worry about our pack for next year. Seems to me the size of our pack is going to be big like madge liked at Souths. I'm not sure the pack he is trying to build is going to suite the new rules as they try to speed up the game.
Hopefully I am completely wrong and he has the perfect balance. Its just the way madge likes to build his pack to date

I don't think size is an issue, they're all pretty mobile and look to be trimming down. Packs looking better but we're still not at the quality of the top teams

 

[BAGNF05]

https://youtu.be/30lUJef-guU

Pretty average player when his forwards create some space

3 mins of highlights from 148 games ?

The other 12000 minutes was Eisenhuth and MCK stinking it up

Probably ?

He’s been working with duds mate, we’re slowly fixing it, give him a chance.

He’s had more than enough chances imo ..
I just think he’s a bit thick between the ears .

Agree, He doesn’t seem like the most cluey bloke or very confident but he has good rugby league instincts. Behind a pack that’s rolling he would have a lot more opportunity to use his skillset and his confidence will grow. I hope Tamou and Musgrove really fire this year and a few young forwards follow their lead, his game will elevate.

Great news ...you just got the award for a millionth quote saying that Brooks doesn't have forwards to push his barrow

No excuses in 21 then ...or is this forward pack just more plodders as well ?????

Tbh hap I worry about our pack for next year. Seems to me the size of our pack is going to be big like madge liked at Souths. I'm not sure the pack he is trying to build is going to suite the new rules as they try to speed up the game.
Hopefully I am completely wrong and he has the perfect balance. Its just the way madge likes to build his pack to date

George Burgess
Api Koroisau/Isaac Luke
Roy Asotasi
Ben Teo
John Sutton
Sam Burgess

I’d say Madge still has some building to do here

 

[mike]

https://youtu.be/30lUJef-guU

Pretty average player when his forwards create some space

3 mins of highlights from 148 games ?

The other 12000 minutes was Eisenhuth and MCK stinking it up

Probably ?

He’s been working with duds mate, we’re slowly fixing it, give him a chance.

He’s had more than enough chances imo ..
I just think he’s a bit thick between the ears .

Agree, He doesn’t seem like the most cluey bloke or very confident but he has good rugby league instincts. Behind a pack that’s rolling he would have a lot more opportunity to use his skillset and his confidence will grow. I hope Tamou and Musgrove really fire this year and a few young forwards follow their lead, his game will elevate.

Great news ...you just got the award for a millionth quote saying that Brooks doesn't have forwards to push his barrow

No excuses in 21 then ...or is this forward pack just more plodders as well ?????

Tbh hap I worry about our pack for next year. Seems to me the size of our pack is going to be big like madge liked at Souths. I'm not sure the pack he is trying to build is going to suite the new rules as they try to speed up the game.
Hopefully I am completely wrong and he has the perfect balance. Its just the way madge likes to build his pack to date

I don't think size is an issue, they're all pretty mobile and look to be trimming down. Packs looking better but we're still not at the quality of the top teams

I agree. I think Madge is well aware of the effect the rule changes will have on players and is making the necessary adjustments.

 

[happy_tiger]

Has there ever been a player given so many excuses for under performing as Brooks?
He's got talent but obviously not much nous.
Keep taking the wrong options this year and he'll be saying goodbye.
Looks like we might finally have a younger halfback to put some pressure on him.

The excuses just keep rolling in it seems.

It Grants service
It's Benji
It's our forwards
It's the game plan
It's the coach
It's the bus driver
It's his mum not putting enough Vegemite on his toast
It's the weather
It's the culture
It's Mabo
It's the serenity
It's Brooks life matters
It's covid
It's the price of Bananas after a cyclone
It's the colour of his boots
It's the ball
It's the refs
It's the vibe
It's the media putting big wraps on him too early
It's his carspot at training
It's single mums
It's the phase of the moon
It's Demons
It's the Devil

3 try assists,
C'mon Lukey boy you can do better mate.

Is there a halfback under more pressure in 2021?

You are not the only fan disappointed with how his career has gone. But please be more reasonable in your assessment.
Can you name one halfback who would've been competent in taking this team to the finals over the last 7 years? Or capable of making us a Top 4 quality team in the same period? A halfback good enough to elevate this whole team?
Because I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly and it sounds like you think Brooks is a big failure for not successfully doing this by now.
That would've been a complete miracle, considering the sole responsibility doesn't fall on one player but rather how the team is made up and plays as a unit. The most ever-changing one in the NRL, at that. With the coaching instability to go with it.

Fair enough you feel a certain way and think he's unable to lead the team to glory but some of your points relate to factors which are not of Luke's account and exclude the biggest reason or highest contributing factors on why teams are excelling. (They have had dominant forward packs, well established combinations with their spine players, great strike players etc., etc.).
I believe the last time we had a team that closely resembled this was in 2010 and 2011.
So, it's any wonder the trajectory of his development and career has gone so wayward given the inconsistency has always been at foundation level.
Honestly don't see how any player in his position could've thrived in this environment. I otherwise couldn't agree more you though, that last year should be the biggest wake up call for him.

Did you see the stats of the halfbacks of the teams that finished below us last year?

Not to be rude but could you please stop talking in riddles?!?
There's absolutely no benefit to it, as it only means topics will continue to go around in circles.

Luke absolutely sucked in 2020. We've covered this - time and time again.
Same goes with discussions on his development.
To answer your question though, the answer is no. Why relive something that adds nothing new to the conversation?
Fans are probably 50/50 on Brooks. So it's not like your thoughts or feelings are that ground breaking either.

The Harry and Liddle comparisons are also getting a little annoying.
Harry's a gun but stop acting like the system he's at and its culture isn't vital to shaping his talent development or trajectory of his career.
Being part of an elite breeding ground will always Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon a club treading above water and criticising players for their injury history is just plain stupid IMO.
Even more so, start having some faith in the club. Though our expectations are mostly hypothetical at this point, things are run a lot differently now and it's only a matter of time when this will reflect on the field.

The lack of objectivity drives me crazy more than anything . I don’t care which side of the fence you sit , but to downright make comments like “he hasn’t played well the last couple of years “ is absolute dog crap . He won our player of the year in 2019 . And Happy saying he hasn’t played well for 8 years . Makes me think those people are either dumb as , or subscribing to the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon way of debating . Just pretend anything that undermines your point never happens and it’s all fake news .

heard it all now ......im saying if Brook doesnt fire this season he needs to go ....and now im a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporter ......you really cant stand people taking a contrary opinion to yours

I don’t know about anyone else …but if I failed in my job for 7/8 years running and had one good year …I am looking for a new

So that wasn’t you ? . Once again your doing exactly what my point was . Just make stuff up , to deflect from the fact , and deny ever actually saying stuff , that undermines your position.
? Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon playbook. I didn’t say supporter just the tactic .

We don't make the 8 ...he is the top line playmaker ...hey has to own it ...and funnily does own it in pressers he does ...but you don't ??

What are you talking about ? I’m talking about you , not brooks .
If brooks plays like a busted , especially with madden waiting in the wings , of course he should be replaced . But I literally rewatched 4 games today . Rounds 17-20 last year , because I wanted to see what was real or not . And brooks in all 4 games was one of our best . But he didn’t get the try asisots so . He sux . If I was using advanced metrics , I would devise a stat for points scored down a side , or points initiated . Because the way our systems work , brooks set up a lot of half chances or cutout balls to Mbye or AD or a centre to put the wing away. Maybe not the games before those rounds . I didn’t go back and watch to be honest , but those 4 games , whilst he only had I think 2 try assists , the expansion of play , and his desire to put his backs in a position to do thier thing was obvious . Benji got all the try assists , yet drifted into his centres space so much , and almost literally took the try assists away form Mbye and AD , talau and Joey . Go watch . I’m not making this up .
Brooks needs to get his try assists up in one way alone . Kicks . His kicking game near the line was anus , and a big contributor to his drop in try assists .

why are you talking about me .....am I playing in the 6 jersey

Your stretching mate .....none of the games you mentioned stood out to anyone here ...2020 is history

and will say for the 100th time if Brooks fails in 2021 he has to go

Yeah briliant! Who would you buy ?

No need to buy anyone..
His name is Jock Madden

Even if he is the bees knees mate he’s likely to know his trade well in about 2025

As i have said many times,Brooks 1/2 and Madden 5/8 will turn this side around .

Madden is a 7 ...anyway ...you've got such great ideas ..Madge hAS to get you on the selection committee

I'M well aware Madden is a 6.I'm also well aware that Doeihie is not a 6 or 7 MATE.Both halves today play almost identical roles today,on different sides.Both have speed and kicking games. I also like Doeihie but he is not a 5/8.(i know he played some junior games there ,so what ?he was not signed as a half and would not be signed by any club as a half.)We need variety and speed around the ruck,Madden and Brooks will give us that.

Saw more in Douehi at 6 than I saw from him at 1

 

[cochise]

Has there ever been a player given so many excuses for under performing as Brooks?
He's got talent but obviously not much nous.
Keep taking the wrong options this year and he'll be saying goodbye.
Looks like we might finally have a younger halfback to put some pressure on him.

The excuses just keep rolling in it seems.

It Grants service
It's Benji
It's our forwards
It's the game plan
It's the coach
It's the bus driver
It's his mum not putting enough Vegemite on his toast
It's the weather
It's the culture
It's Mabo
It's the serenity
It's Brooks life matters
It's covid
It's the price of Bananas after a cyclone
It's the colour of his boots
It's the ball
It's the refs
It's the vibe
It's the media putting big wraps on him too early
It's his carspot at training
It's single mums
It's the phase of the moon
It's Demons
It's the Devil

3 try assists,
C'mon Lukey boy you can do better mate.

Is there a halfback under more pressure in 2021?

You are not the only fan disappointed with how his career has gone. But please be more reasonable in your assessment.
Can you name one halfback who would've been competent in taking this team to the finals over the last 7 years? Or capable of making us a Top 4 quality team in the same period? A halfback good enough to elevate this whole team?
Because I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly and it sounds like you think Brooks is a big failure for not successfully doing this by now.
That would've been a complete miracle, considering the sole responsibility doesn't fall on one player but rather how the team is made up and plays as a unit. The most ever-changing one in the NRL, at that. With the coaching instability to go with it.

Fair enough you feel a certain way and think he's unable to lead the team to glory but some of your points relate to factors which are not of Luke's account and exclude the biggest reason or highest contributing factors on why teams are excelling. (They have had dominant forward packs, well established combinations with their spine players, great strike players etc., etc.).
I believe the last time we had a team that closely resembled this was in 2010 and 2011.
So, it's any wonder the trajectory of his development and career has gone so wayward given the inconsistency has always been at foundation level.
Honestly don't see how any player in his position could've thrived in this environment. I otherwise couldn't agree more you though, that last year should be the biggest wake up call for him.

Did you see the stats of the halfbacks of the teams that finished below us last year?

Not to be rude but could you please stop talking in riddles?!?
There's absolutely no benefit to it, as it only means topics will continue to go around in circles.

Luke absolutely sucked in 2020. We've covered this - time and time again.
Same goes with discussions on his development.
To answer your question though, the answer is no. Why relive something that adds nothing new to the conversation?
Fans are probably 50/50 on Brooks. So it's not like your thoughts or feelings are that ground breaking either.

The Harry and Liddle comparisons are also getting a little annoying.
Harry's a gun but stop acting like the system he's at and its culture isn't vital to shaping his talent development or trajectory of his career.
Being part of an elite breeding ground will always Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon a club treading above water and criticising players for their injury history is just plain stupid IMO.
Even more so, start having some faith in the club. Though our expectations are mostly hypothetical at this point, things are run a lot differently now and it's only a matter of time when this will reflect on the field.

The lack of objectivity drives me crazy more than anything . I don’t care which side of the fence you sit , but to downright make comments like “he hasn’t played well the last couple of years “ is absolute dog crap . He won our player of the year in 2019 . And Happy saying he hasn’t played well for 8 years . Makes me think those people are either dumb as , or subscribing to the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon way of debating . Just pretend anything that undermines your point never happens and it’s all fake news .

heard it all now ......im saying if Brook doesnt fire this season he needs to go ....and now im a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporter ......you really cant stand people taking a contrary opinion to yours

I don’t know about anyone else …but if I failed in my job for 7/8 years running and had one good year …I am looking for a new

So that wasn’t you ? . Once again your doing exactly what my point was . Just make stuff up , to deflect from the fact , and deny ever actually saying stuff , that undermines your position.
? Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon playbook. I didn’t say supporter just the tactic .

We don't make the 8 ...he is the top line playmaker ...hey has to own it ...and funnily does own it in pressers he does ...but you don't ??

What are you talking about ? I’m talking about you , not brooks .
If brooks plays like a busted , especially with madden waiting in the wings , of course he should be replaced . But I literally rewatched 4 games today . Rounds 17-20 last year , because I wanted to see what was real or not . And brooks in all 4 games was one of our best . But he didn’t get the try asisots so . He sux . If I was using advanced metrics , I would devise a stat for points scored down a side , or points initiated . Because the way our systems work , brooks set up a lot of half chances or cutout balls to Mbye or AD or a centre to put the wing away. Maybe not the games before those rounds . I didn’t go back and watch to be honest , but those 4 games , whilst he only had I think 2 try assists , the expansion of play , and his desire to put his backs in a position to do thier thing was obvious . Benji got all the try assists , yet drifted into his centres space so much , and almost literally took the try assists away form Mbye and AD , talau and Joey . Go watch . I’m not making this up .
Brooks needs to get his try assists up in one way alone . Kicks . His kicking game near the line was anus , and a big contributor to his drop in try assists .

why are you talking about me .....am I playing in the 6 jersey

Your stretching mate .....none of the games you mentioned stood out to anyone here ...2020 is history

and will say for the 100th time if Brooks fails in 2021 he has to go

I’m stretching ? You know who the dumbest people on earth are ?
It’s not the people who are simple and know that. It’s The ones who think they’re the smartest , and have no doubt . I have serious doubts as to what I’m right and wrong about , and as such go back to see with a more open eye whenever I can, as when I watched it the first time or read it , or listened to it, I was watching with my heart as much as my head . I’m literally telling you I watched 5 hrs and 20 mins of footy today , and you say I’m stretching , when I offer an informed opinion based on facts . Once again I say , you’re more interested in winning some make believe straw man arguement than having an educated conversation. And honestly , I’ve lost respect in you happy . I thought you were smarter than that . But you’ve totally misread my last 5 posts , or disregarded them , or not understood them . Either way , I don’t respect your opinion , and I’m not interested in reading it anymore .
Not because I disagree , but because you are unwilling to look at things objectively , which means your opinion is an uneducated one .

Funniest thing I have read.
Post after post telling everyone that Brooks is so wonderful and has continually been let down by his dud teammates and you are accusing someone else of not being objective when they don’t agree.

I’m not ! Lol I’m saying admit simple facts . That’s it . Hard all, apparently that’s the forum equivalent of asking to admit the world is round . For some reason an impossible task . Whether you agree or not is irrelevant . Just admit truths.
Truth number 1 - he was dally m halfback of the year in 2018
Truth number 2 - he was our player of the year in 2019.
Truth number 3 - whilst being extremely poor most of last year , he was very good rounds 17-20.
Truth number 4 - he has not been a passenger prior to 2018 . He was woefully and frustratingly inconsistent, but not “bad at his job for 8 years” .
Thats what I’m railing against . That none of you haters will admit those 4 truths . And it’s unbelievably frustrating to read . And makes me think if we can’t agree to truths over something so pointless as to facts about a random footy player , this world doomed with big issues .
Whether you think he’s crap is Fine ! For the 100th time . Just don’t make crap up that is true. Stop conveniently leaving out facts you know are true to prove a point .
The fact you can’t understand that , does my head in . I literally laid it out and your dumb ass comes straight back with “you don’t like when people disagree with you” lol . Proving my whole point . And you don’t even realise it ! Lol

Only 2 of those are facts.

A true fact of this conversation is that it doesnt matter how much talent or ability you have individually, an NRL team must have players within it with the same percieved ability and talent so it works as a unit when coach puts gameplans and structures in place...to often have we seen our team with individual brilliance in half the team,only to be let down by the remaining players not being on the same page or not being gifted enough to either follow the plans or not good enough to be in the team,thats been the WTs for the last 8/9 years with chopping and changing the roster and coaches to frequently ....now hopefully we have the professional people in coaching,recruitment etc to finally give us stability and a shot at the finals and title in not to distant future...
I have said many times its to easy to blame players coaches etc if we havent walked a mile in their shoes,we however should really be really excited for this year as it appears we will be able to see nearly all the team supporting and playing for each other while the young guns develop and forge a career with us...

Couldn't disagree more.

 

[happy_tiger]

Has there ever been a player given so many excuses for under performing as Brooks?
He's got talent but obviously not much nous.
Keep taking the wrong options this year and he'll be saying goodbye.
Looks like we might finally have a younger halfback to put some pressure on him.

The excuses just keep rolling in it seems.

It Grants service
It's Benji
It's our forwards
It's the game plan
It's the coach
It's the bus driver
It's his mum not putting enough Vegemite on his toast
It's the weather
It's the culture
It's Mabo
It's the serenity
It's Brooks life matters
It's covid
It's the price of Bananas after a cyclone
It's the colour of his boots
It's the ball
It's the refs
It's the vibe
It's the media putting big wraps on him too early
It's his carspot at training
It's single mums
It's the phase of the moon
It's Demons
It's the Devil

3 try assists,
C'mon Lukey boy you can do better mate.

Is there a halfback under more pressure in 2021?

You are not the only fan disappointed with how his career has gone. But please be more reasonable in your assessment.
Can you name one halfback who would've been competent in taking this team to the finals over the last 7 years? Or capable of making us a Top 4 quality team in the same period? A halfback good enough to elevate this whole team?
Because I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly and it sounds like you think Brooks is a big failure for not successfully doing this by now.
That would've been a complete miracle, considering the sole responsibility doesn't fall on one player but rather how the team is made up and plays as a unit. The most ever-changing one in the NRL, at that. With the coaching instability to go with it.

Fair enough you feel a certain way and think he's unable to lead the team to glory but some of your points relate to factors which are not of Luke's account and exclude the biggest reason or highest contributing factors on why teams are excelling. (They have had dominant forward packs, well established combinations with their spine players, great strike players etc., etc.).
I believe the last time we had a team that closely resembled this was in 2010 and 2011.
So, it's any wonder the trajectory of his development and career has gone so wayward given the inconsistency has always been at foundation level.
Honestly don't see how any player in his position could've thrived in this environment. I otherwise couldn't agree more you though, that last year should be the biggest wake up call for him.

Did you see the stats of the halfbacks of the teams that finished below us last year?

Not to be rude but could you please stop talking in riddles?!?
There's absolutely no benefit to it, as it only means topics will continue to go around in circles.

Luke absolutely sucked in 2020. We've covered this - time and time again.
Same goes with discussions on his development.
To answer your question though, the answer is no. Why relive something that adds nothing new to the conversation?
Fans are probably 50/50 on Brooks. So it's not like your thoughts or feelings are that ground breaking either.

The Harry and Liddle comparisons are also getting a little annoying.
Harry's a gun but stop acting like the system he's at and its culture isn't vital to shaping his talent development or trajectory of his career.
Being part of an elite breeding ground will always Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon a club treading above water and criticising players for their injury history is just plain stupid IMO.
Even more so, start having some faith in the club. Though our expectations are mostly hypothetical at this point, things are run a lot differently now and it's only a matter of time when this will reflect on the field.

The lack of objectivity drives me crazy more than anything . I don’t care which side of the fence you sit , but to downright make comments like “he hasn’t played well the last couple of years “ is absolute dog crap . He won our player of the year in 2019 . And Happy saying he hasn’t played well for 8 years . Makes me think those people are either dumb as , or subscribing to the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon way of debating . Just pretend anything that undermines your point never happens and it’s all fake news .

heard it all now ......im saying if Brook doesnt fire this season he needs to go ....and now im a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporter ......you really cant stand people taking a contrary opinion to yours

I don’t know about anyone else …but if I failed in my job for 7/8 years running and had one good year …I am looking for a new

So that wasn’t you ? . Once again your doing exactly what my point was . Just make stuff up , to deflect from the fact , and deny ever actually saying stuff , that undermines your position.
? Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon playbook. I didn’t say supporter just the tactic .

We don't make the 8 ...he is the top line playmaker ...hey has to own it ...and funnily does own it in pressers he does ...but you don't ??

What are you talking about ? I’m talking about you , not brooks .
If brooks plays like a busted , especially with madden waiting in the wings , of course he should be replaced . But I literally rewatched 4 games today . Rounds 17-20 last year , because I wanted to see what was real or not . And brooks in all 4 games was one of our best . But he didn’t get the try asisots so . He sux . If I was using advanced metrics , I would devise a stat for points scored down a side , or points initiated . Because the way our systems work , brooks set up a lot of half chances or cutout balls to Mbye or AD or a centre to put the wing away. Maybe not the games before those rounds . I didn’t go back and watch to be honest , but those 4 games , whilst he only had I think 2 try assists , the expansion of play , and his desire to put his backs in a position to do thier thing was obvious . Benji got all the try assists , yet drifted into his centres space so much , and almost literally took the try assists away form Mbye and AD , talau and Joey . Go watch . I’m not making this up .
Brooks needs to get his try assists up in one way alone . Kicks . His kicking game near the line was anus , and a big contributor to his drop in try assists .

why are you talking about me .....am I playing in the 6 jersey

Your stretching mate .....none of the games you mentioned stood out to anyone here ...2020 is history

and will say for the 100th time if Brooks fails in 2021 he has to go

Yeah briliant! Who would you buy ?

The form half in 2021 ....Ok with you champ

Too many on this Forum are happy with mediocrity

Yeah good one.
We just resigned the form Winger of 2020 and most people are blowing up about it.

Well if we signed the form half from 2020 we'd have Munster ...you want to compare Munster and Nofa ??

Bring on Rd 1 ...too many people speaking too much poo

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Has there ever been a player given so many excuses for under performing as Brooks?
He's got talent but obviously not much nous.
Keep taking the wrong options this year and he'll be saying goodbye.
Looks like we might finally have a younger halfback to put some pressure on him.

The excuses just keep rolling in it seems.

It Grants service
It's Benji
It's our forwards
It's the game plan
It's the coach
It's the bus driver
It's his mum not putting enough Vegemite on his toast
It's the weather
It's the culture
It's Mabo
It's the serenity
It's Brooks life matters
It's covid
It's the price of Bananas after a cyclone
It's the colour of his boots
It's the ball
It's the refs
It's the vibe
It's the media putting big wraps on him too early
It's his carspot at training
It's single mums
It's the phase of the moon
It's Demons
It's the Devil

3 try assists,
C'mon Lukey boy you can do better mate.

Is there a halfback under more pressure in 2021?

You are not the only fan disappointed with how his career has gone. But please be more reasonable in your assessment.
Can you name one halfback who would've been competent in taking this team to the finals over the last 7 years? Or capable of making us a Top 4 quality team in the same period? A halfback good enough to elevate this whole team?
Because I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly and it sounds like you think Brooks is a big failure for not successfully doing this by now.
That would've been a complete miracle, considering the sole responsibility doesn't fall on one player but rather how the team is made up and plays as a unit. The most ever-changing one in the NRL, at that. With the coaching instability to go with it.

Fair enough you feel a certain way and think he's unable to lead the team to glory but some of your points relate to factors which are not of Luke's account and exclude the biggest reason or highest contributing factors on why teams are excelling. (They have had dominant forward packs, well established combinations with their spine players, great strike players etc., etc.).
I believe the last time we had a team that closely resembled this was in 2010 and 2011.
So, it's any wonder the trajectory of his development and career has gone so wayward given the inconsistency has always been at foundation level.
Honestly don't see how any player in his position could've thrived in this environment. I otherwise couldn't agree more you though, that last year should be the biggest wake up call for him.

Did you see the stats of the halfbacks of the teams that finished below us last year?

Not to be rude but could you please stop talking in riddles?!?
There's absolutely no benefit to it, as it only means topics will continue to go around in circles.

Luke absolutely sucked in 2020. We've covered this - time and time again.
Same goes with discussions on his development.
To answer your question though, the answer is no. Why relive something that adds nothing new to the conversation?
Fans are probably 50/50 on Brooks. So it's not like your thoughts or feelings are that ground breaking either.

The Harry and Liddle comparisons are also getting a little annoying.
Harry's a gun but stop acting like the system he's at and its culture isn't vital to shaping his talent development or trajectory of his career.
Being part of an elite breeding ground will always Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon a club treading above water and criticising players for their injury history is just plain stupid IMO.
Even more so, start having some faith in the club. Though our expectations are mostly hypothetical at this point, things are run a lot differently now and it's only a matter of time when this will reflect on the field.

The lack of objectivity drives me crazy more than anything . I don’t care which side of the fence you sit , but to downright make comments like “he hasn’t played well the last couple of years “ is absolute dog crap . He won our player of the year in 2019 . And Happy saying he hasn’t played well for 8 years . Makes me think those people are either dumb as , or subscribing to the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon way of debating . Just pretend anything that undermines your point never happens and it’s all fake news .

heard it all now ......im saying if Brook doesnt fire this season he needs to go ....and now im a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporter ......you really cant stand people taking a contrary opinion to yours

I don’t know about anyone else …but if I failed in my job for 7/8 years running and had one good year …I am looking for a new

So that wasn’t you ? . Once again your doing exactly what my point was . Just make stuff up , to deflect from the fact , and deny ever actually saying stuff , that undermines your position.
? Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon playbook. I didn’t say supporter just the tactic .

We don't make the 8 ...he is the top line playmaker ...hey has to own it ...and funnily does own it in pressers he does ...but you don't ??

What are you talking about ? I’m talking about you , not brooks .
If brooks plays like a busted , especially with madden waiting in the wings , of course he should be replaced . But I literally rewatched 4 games today . Rounds 17-20 last year , because I wanted to see what was real or not . And brooks in all 4 games was one of our best . But he didn’t get the try asisots so . He sux . If I was using advanced metrics , I would devise a stat for points scored down a side , or points initiated . Because the way our systems work , brooks set up a lot of half chances or cutout balls to Mbye or AD or a centre to put the wing away. Maybe not the games before those rounds . I didn’t go back and watch to be honest , but those 4 games , whilst he only had I think 2 try assists , the expansion of play , and his desire to put his backs in a position to do thier thing was obvious . Benji got all the try assists , yet drifted into his centres space so much , and almost literally took the try assists away form Mbye and AD , talau and Joey . Go watch . I’m not making this up .
Brooks needs to get his try assists up in one way alone . Kicks . His kicking game near the line was anus , and a big contributor to his drop in try assists .

why are you talking about me .....am I playing in the 6 jersey

Your stretching mate .....none of the games you mentioned stood out to anyone here ...2020 is history

and will say for the 100th time if Brooks fails in 2021 he has to go

I’m stretching ? You know who the dumbest people on earth are ?
It’s not the people who are simple and know that. It’s The ones who think they’re the smartest , and have no doubt . I have serious doubts as to what I’m right and wrong about , and as such go back to see with a more open eye whenever I can, as when I watched it the first time or read it , or listened to it, I was watching with my heart as much as my head . I’m literally telling you I watched 5 hrs and 20 mins of footy today , and you say I’m stretching , when I offer an informed opinion based on facts . Once again I say , you’re more interested in winning some make believe straw man arguement than having an educated conversation. And honestly , I’ve lost respect in you happy . I thought you were smarter than that . But you’ve totally misread my last 5 posts , or disregarded them , or not understood them . Either way , I don’t respect your opinion , and I’m not interested in reading it anymore .
Not because I disagree , but because you are unwilling to look at things objectively , which means your opinion is an uneducated one .

Funniest thing I have read.
Post after post telling everyone that Brooks is so wonderful and has continually been let down by his dud teammates and you are accusing someone else of not being objective when they don’t agree.

I’m not ! Lol I’m saying admit simple facts . That’s it . Hard all, apparently that’s the forum equivalent of asking to admit the world is round . For some reason an impossible task . Whether you agree or not is irrelevant . Just admit truths.
Truth number 1 - he was dally m halfback of the year in 2018
Truth number 2 - he was our player of the year in 2019.
Truth number 3 - whilst being extremely poor most of last year , he was very good rounds 17-20.
Truth number 4 - he has not been a passenger prior to 2018 . He was woefully and frustratingly inconsistent, but not “bad at his job for 8 years” .
Thats what I’m railing against . That none of you haters will admit those 4 truths . And it’s unbelievably frustrating to read . And makes me think if we can’t agree to truths over something so pointless as to facts about a random footy player , this world doomed with big issues .
Whether you think he’s crap is Fine ! For the 100th time . Just don’t make crap up that is true. Stop conveniently leaving out facts you know are true to prove a point .
The fact you can’t understand that , does my head in . I literally laid it out and your dumb ass comes straight back with “you don’t like when people disagree with you” lol . Proving my whole point . And you don’t even realise it ! Lol

Only 2 of those are facts.

Cool , but even if that were true , which I don’t think it is , but whatever , even those 2 are debated . You get guys saying , the awards were token and better players should have to it . Actually brooks was crap those years etc . It’s intellectually dishonest . And IMO, means you have no interest in debating a topic , you just want say “I’m right , your wrong” . How’s that any different from someone saying the earth is flat ? Or that we didn’t go to the moon ? Your denying truths , to what , be more secure in your argument? That doesn’t make sense to me . You are one of the people that have changed my opinions on topics , just by pointing out the flaws in my Arguments. Even Gallagher who I’ve argued with a lot , has made me think about a few things . And I’m not even saying Happy and the rest are wrong . It sux he’s not Johns 2.0 and he can’t win games by himself . And he looks lost at times , when his confidence is down .
And that we wasted 4 of his development years , with crap coaches , and even worse in fighting and bad culture . And that he hasn’t developed into the nsw half , we all thought he was going to be.
But that does t make HIM crap . It makes our expectations wrong. And we need to adjust . It’s not about accepting mediocrity , it’s about accepting , that our half can’t win games by himself , so we have to surround him with good players . And if that still doesn’t work , then we move on .
But even all of that gets rejected . And that’s what I don’t understand . It’s entering the conversation in bad faith. No interest in debate , just to here yourself talk . And no , I’m happy for you to prove me wrong .

 

[happy_tiger]

https://youtu.be/30lUJef-guU

Pretty average player when his forwards create some space

3 mins of highlights from 148 games ?

The other 12000 minutes was Eisenhuth and MCK stinking it up

Probably ?

He’s been working with duds mate, we’re slowly fixing it, give him a chance.

He’s had more than enough chances imo ..
I just think he’s a bit thick between the ears .

Agree, He doesn’t seem like the most cluey bloke or very confident but he has good rugby league instincts. Behind a pack that’s rolling he would have a lot more opportunity to use his skillset and his confidence will grow. I hope Tamou and Musgrove really fire this year and a few young forwards follow their lead, his game will elevate.

Great news ...you just got the award for a millionth quote saying that Brooks doesn't have forwards to push his barrow

No excuses in 21 then ...or is this forward pack just more plodders as well ?????

Tbh hap I worry about our pack for next year. Seems to me the size of our pack is going to be big like madge liked at Souths. I'm not sure the pack he is trying to build is going to suite the new rules as they try to speed up the game.
Hopefully I am completely wrong and he has the perfect balance. Its just the way madge likes to build his pack to date

Hard to tell until Rd 1 and what the refs focus on ....we still need a quality backrower ...the prop rotation is an improvement .....13 could be a worry ...not sure if that will be Jo O ??

 

[TrueTiger]

Has there ever been a player given so many excuses for under performing as Brooks?
He's got talent but obviously not much nous.
Keep taking the wrong options this year and he'll be saying goodbye.
Looks like we might finally have a younger halfback to put some pressure on him.

The excuses just keep rolling in it seems.

It Grants service
It's Benji
It's our forwards
It's the game plan
It's the coach
It's the bus driver
It's his mum not putting enough Vegemite on his toast
It's the weather
It's the culture
It's Mabo
It's the serenity
It's Brooks life matters
It's covid
It's the price of Bananas after a cyclone
It's the colour of his boots
It's the ball
It's the refs
It's the vibe
It's the media putting big wraps on him too early
It's his carspot at training
It's single mums
It's the phase of the moon
It's Demons
It's the Devil

3 try assists,
C'mon Lukey boy you can do better mate.

Is there a halfback under more pressure in 2021?

You are not the only fan disappointed with how his career has gone. But please be more reasonable in your assessment.
Can you name one halfback who would've been competent in taking this team to the finals over the last 7 years? Or capable of making us a Top 4 quality team in the same period? A halfback good enough to elevate this whole team?
Because I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly and it sounds like you think Brooks is a big failure for not successfully doing this by now.
That would've been a complete miracle, considering the sole responsibility doesn't fall on one player but rather how the team is made up and plays as a unit. The most ever-changing one in the NRL, at that. With the coaching instability to go with it.

Fair enough you feel a certain way and think he's unable to lead the team to glory but some of your points relate to factors which are not of Luke's account and exclude the biggest reason or highest contributing factors on why teams are excelling. (They have had dominant forward packs, well established combinations with their spine players, great strike players etc., etc.).
I believe the last time we had a team that closely resembled this was in 2010 and 2011.
So, it's any wonder the trajectory of his development and career has gone so wayward given the inconsistency has always been at foundation level.
Honestly don't see how any player in his position could've thrived in this environment. I otherwise couldn't agree more you though, that last year should be the biggest wake up call for him.

Did you see the stats of the halfbacks of the teams that finished below us last year?

Not to be rude but could you please stop talking in riddles?!?
There's absolutely no benefit to it, as it only means topics will continue to go around in circles.

Luke absolutely sucked in 2020. We've covered this - time and time again.
Same goes with discussions on his development.
To answer your question though, the answer is no. Why relive something that adds nothing new to the conversation?
Fans are probably 50/50 on Brooks. So it's not like your thoughts or feelings are that ground breaking either.

The Harry and Liddle comparisons are also getting a little annoying.
Harry's a gun but stop acting like the system he's at and its culture isn't vital to shaping his talent development or trajectory of his career.
Being part of an elite breeding ground will always Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon a club treading above water and criticising players for their injury history is just plain stupid IMO.
Even more so, start having some faith in the club. Though our expectations are mostly hypothetical at this point, things are run a lot differently now and it's only a matter of time when this will reflect on the field.

The lack of objectivity drives me crazy more than anything . I don’t care which side of the fence you sit , but to downright make comments like “he hasn’t played well the last couple of years “ is absolute dog crap . He won our player of the year in 2019 . And Happy saying he hasn’t played well for 8 years . Makes me think those people are either dumb as , or subscribing to the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon way of debating . Just pretend anything that undermines your point never happens and it’s all fake news .

heard it all now ......im saying if Brook doesnt fire this season he needs to go ....and now im a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporter ......you really cant stand people taking a contrary opinion to yours

I don’t know about anyone else …but if I failed in my job for 7/8 years running and had one good year …I am looking for a new

So that wasn’t you ? . Once again your doing exactly what my point was . Just make stuff up , to deflect from the fact , and deny ever actually saying stuff , that undermines your position.
? Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon playbook. I didn’t say supporter just the tactic .

We don't make the 8 ...he is the top line playmaker ...hey has to own it ...and funnily does own it in pressers he does ...but you don't ??

What are you talking about ? I’m talking about you , not brooks .
If brooks plays like a busted , especially with madden waiting in the wings , of course he should be replaced . But I literally rewatched 4 games today . Rounds 17-20 last year , because I wanted to see what was real or not . And brooks in all 4 games was one of our best . But he didn’t get the try asisots so . He sux . If I was using advanced metrics , I would devise a stat for points scored down a side , or points initiated . Because the way our systems work , brooks set up a lot of half chances or cutout balls to Mbye or AD or a centre to put the wing away. Maybe not the games before those rounds . I didn’t go back and watch to be honest , but those 4 games , whilst he only had I think 2 try assists , the expansion of play , and his desire to put his backs in a position to do thier thing was obvious . Benji got all the try assists , yet drifted into his centres space so much , and almost literally took the try assists away form Mbye and AD , talau and Joey . Go watch . I’m not making this up .
Brooks needs to get his try assists up in one way alone . Kicks . His kicking game near the line was anus , and a big contributor to his drop in try assists .

why are you talking about me .....am I playing in the 6 jersey

Your stretching mate .....none of the games you mentioned stood out to anyone here ...2020 is history

and will say for the 100th time if Brooks fails in 2021 he has to go

I’m stretching ? You know who the dumbest people on earth are ?
It’s not the people who are simple and know that. It’s The ones who think they’re the smartest , and have no doubt . I have serious doubts as to what I’m right and wrong about , and as such go back to see with a more open eye whenever I can, as when I watched it the first time or read it , or listened to it, I was watching with my heart as much as my head . I’m literally telling you I watched 5 hrs and 20 mins of footy today , and you say I’m stretching , when I offer an informed opinion based on facts . Once again I say , you’re more interested in winning some make believe straw man arguement than having an educated conversation. And honestly , I’ve lost respect in you happy . I thought you were smarter than that . But you’ve totally misread my last 5 posts , or disregarded them , or not understood them . Either way , I don’t respect your opinion , and I’m not interested in reading it anymore .
Not because I disagree , but because you are unwilling to look at things objectively , which means your opinion is an uneducated one .

Funniest thing I have read.
Post after post telling everyone that Brooks is so wonderful and has continually been let down by his dud teammates and you are accusing someone else of not being objective when they don’t agree.

I’m not ! Lol I’m saying admit simple facts . That’s it . Hard all, apparently that’s the forum equivalent of asking to admit the world is round . For some reason an impossible task . Whether you agree or not is irrelevant . Just admit truths.
Truth number 1 - he was dally m halfback of the year in 2018
Truth number 2 - he was our player of the year in 2019.
Truth number 3 - whilst being extremely poor most of last year , he was very good rounds 17-20.
Truth number 4 - he has not been a passenger prior to 2018 . He was woefully and frustratingly inconsistent, but not “bad at his job for 8 years” .
Thats what I’m railing against . That none of you haters will admit those 4 truths . And it’s unbelievably frustrating to read . And makes me think if we can’t agree to truths over something so pointless as to facts about a random footy player , this world doomed with big issues .
Whether you think he’s crap is Fine ! For the 100th time . Just don’t make crap up that is true. Stop conveniently leaving out facts you know are true to prove a point .
The fact you can’t understand that , does my head in . I literally laid it out and your dumb ass comes straight back with “you don’t like when people disagree with you” lol . Proving my whole point . And you don’t even realise it ! Lol

Only 2 of those are facts.

A true fact of this conversation is that it doesnt matter how much talent or ability you have individually, an NRL team must have players within it with the same percieved ability and talent so it works as a unit when coach puts gameplans and structures in place...to often have we seen our team with individual brilliance in half the team,only to be let down by the remaining players not being on the same page or not being gifted enough to either follow the plans or not good enough to be in the team,thats been the WTs for the last 8/9 years with chopping and changing the roster and coaches to frequently ....now hopefully we have the professional people in coaching,recruitment etc to finally give us stability and a shot at the finals and title in not to distant future...
I have said many times its to easy to blame players coaches etc if we havent walked a mile in their shoes,we however should really be really excited for this year as it appears we will be able to see nearly all the team supporting and playing for each other while the young guns develop and forge a career with us...

Couldn't disagree more.

No worries cochise,we cant all have the same opinion..this just happens to be mine...

 

[cochise]

Has there ever been a player given so many excuses for under performing as Brooks?
He's got talent but obviously not much nous.
Keep taking the wrong options this year and he'll be saying goodbye.
Looks like we might finally have a younger halfback to put some pressure on him.

The excuses just keep rolling in it seems.

It Grants service
It's Benji
It's our forwards
It's the game plan
It's the coach
It's the bus driver
It's his mum not putting enough Vegemite on his toast
It's the weather
It's the culture
It's Mabo
It's the serenity
It's Brooks life matters
It's covid
It's the price of Bananas after a cyclone
It's the colour of his boots
It's the ball
It's the refs
It's the vibe
It's the media putting big wraps on him too early
It's his carspot at training
It's single mums
It's the phase of the moon
It's Demons
It's the Devil

3 try assists,
C'mon Lukey boy you can do better mate.

Is there a halfback under more pressure in 2021?

You are not the only fan disappointed with how his career has gone. But please be more reasonable in your assessment.
Can you name one halfback who would've been competent in taking this team to the finals over the last 7 years? Or capable of making us a Top 4 quality team in the same period? A halfback good enough to elevate this whole team?
Because I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly and it sounds like you think Brooks is a big failure for not successfully doing this by now.
That would've been a complete miracle, considering the sole responsibility doesn't fall on one player but rather how the team is made up and plays as a unit. The most ever-changing one in the NRL, at that. With the coaching instability to go with it.

Fair enough you feel a certain way and think he's unable to lead the team to glory but some of your points relate to factors which are not of Luke's account and exclude the biggest reason or highest contributing factors on why teams are excelling. (They have had dominant forward packs, well established combinations with their spine players, great strike players etc., etc.).
I believe the last time we had a team that closely resembled this was in 2010 and 2011.
So, it's any wonder the trajectory of his development and career has gone so wayward given the inconsistency has always been at foundation level.
Honestly don't see how any player in his position could've thrived in this environment. I otherwise couldn't agree more you though, that last year should be the biggest wake up call for him.

Did you see the stats of the halfbacks of the teams that finished below us last year?

Not to be rude but could you please stop talking in riddles?!?
There's absolutely no benefit to it, as it only means topics will continue to go around in circles.

Luke absolutely sucked in 2020. We've covered this - time and time again.
Same goes with discussions on his development.
To answer your question though, the answer is no. Why relive something that adds nothing new to the conversation?
Fans are probably 50/50 on Brooks. So it's not like your thoughts or feelings are that ground breaking either.

The Harry and Liddle comparisons are also getting a little annoying.
Harry's a gun but stop acting like the system he's at and its culture isn't vital to shaping his talent development or trajectory of his career.
Being part of an elite breeding ground will always Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon a club treading above water and criticising players for their injury history is just plain stupid IMO.
Even more so, start having some faith in the club. Though our expectations are mostly hypothetical at this point, things are run a lot differently now and it's only a matter of time when this will reflect on the field.

The lack of objectivity drives me crazy more than anything . I don’t care which side of the fence you sit , but to downright make comments like “he hasn’t played well the last couple of years “ is absolute dog crap . He won our player of the year in 2019 . And Happy saying he hasn’t played well for 8 years . Makes me think those people are either dumb as , or subscribing to the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon way of debating . Just pretend anything that undermines your point never happens and it’s all fake news .

heard it all now ......im saying if Brook doesnt fire this season he needs to go ....and now im a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporter ......you really cant stand people taking a contrary opinion to yours

I don’t know about anyone else …but if I failed in my job for 7/8 years running and had one good year …I am looking for a new

So that wasn’t you ? . Once again your doing exactly what my point was . Just make stuff up , to deflect from the fact , and deny ever actually saying stuff , that undermines your position.
? Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon playbook. I didn’t say supporter just the tactic .

We don't make the 8 ...he is the top line playmaker ...hey has to own it ...and funnily does own it in pressers he does ...but you don't ??

What are you talking about ? I’m talking about you , not brooks .
If brooks plays like a busted , especially with madden waiting in the wings , of course he should be replaced . But I literally rewatched 4 games today . Rounds 17-20 last year , because I wanted to see what was real or not . And brooks in all 4 games was one of our best . But he didn’t get the try asisots so . He sux . If I was using advanced metrics , I would devise a stat for points scored down a side , or points initiated . Because the way our systems work , brooks set up a lot of half chances or cutout balls to Mbye or AD or a centre to put the wing away. Maybe not the games before those rounds . I didn’t go back and watch to be honest , but those 4 games , whilst he only had I think 2 try assists , the expansion of play , and his desire to put his backs in a position to do thier thing was obvious . Benji got all the try assists , yet drifted into his centres space so much , and almost literally took the try assists away form Mbye and AD , talau and Joey . Go watch . I’m not making this up .
Brooks needs to get his try assists up in one way alone . Kicks . His kicking game near the line was anus , and a big contributor to his drop in try assists .

why are you talking about me .....am I playing in the 6 jersey

Your stretching mate .....none of the games you mentioned stood out to anyone here ...2020 is history

and will say for the 100th time if Brooks fails in 2021 he has to go

I’m stretching ? You know who the dumbest people on earth are ?
It’s not the people who are simple and know that. It’s The ones who think they’re the smartest , and have no doubt . I have serious doubts as to what I’m right and wrong about , and as such go back to see with a more open eye whenever I can, as when I watched it the first time or read it , or listened to it, I was watching with my heart as much as my head . I’m literally telling you I watched 5 hrs and 20 mins of footy today , and you say I’m stretching , when I offer an informed opinion based on facts . Once again I say , you’re more interested in winning some make believe straw man arguement than having an educated conversation. And honestly , I’ve lost respect in you happy . I thought you were smarter than that . But you’ve totally misread my last 5 posts , or disregarded them , or not understood them . Either way , I don’t respect your opinion , and I’m not interested in reading it anymore .
Not because I disagree , but because you are unwilling to look at things objectively , which means your opinion is an uneducated one .

Funniest thing I have read.
Post after post telling everyone that Brooks is so wonderful and has continually been let down by his dud teammates and you are accusing someone else of not being objective when they don’t agree.

I’m not ! Lol I’m saying admit simple facts . That’s it . Hard all, apparently that’s the forum equivalent of asking to admit the world is round . For some reason an impossible task . Whether you agree or not is irrelevant . Just admit truths.
Truth number 1 - he was dally m halfback of the year in 2018
Truth number 2 - he was our player of the year in 2019.
Truth number 3 - whilst being extremely poor most of last year , he was very good rounds 17-20.
Truth number 4 - he has not been a passenger prior to 2018 . He was woefully and frustratingly inconsistent, but not “bad at his job for 8 years” .
Thats what I’m railing against . That none of you haters will admit those 4 truths . And it’s unbelievably frustrating to read . And makes me think if we can’t agree to truths over something so pointless as to facts about a random footy player , this world doomed with big issues .
Whether you think he’s crap is Fine ! For the 100th time . Just don’t make crap up that is true. Stop conveniently leaving out facts you know are true to prove a point .
The fact you can’t understand that , does my head in . I literally laid it out and your dumb ass comes straight back with “you don’t like when people disagree with you” lol . Proving my whole point . And you don’t even realise it ! Lol

Only 2 of those are facts.

Cool , but even if that were true , which I don’t think it is , but whatever , even those 2 are debated . You get guys saying , the awards were token and better players should have to it . Actually brooks was crap those years etc . It’s intellectually dishonest . And IMO, means you have no interest in debating a topic , you just want say “I’m right , your wrong” . How’s that any different from someone saying the earth is flat ? Or that we didn’t go to the moon ? Your denying truths , to what , be more secure in your argument? That doesn’t make sense to me . You are one of the people that have changed my opinions on topics , just by pointing out the flaws in my Arguments. Even Gallagher who I’ve argued with a lot , has made me think about a few things . And I’m not even saying Happy and the rest are wrong . It sux he’s not Johns 2.0 and he can’t win games by himself . And he looks lost at times , when his confidence is down .
And that we wasted 4 of his development years , with crap coaches , and even worse in fighting and bad culture . And that he hasn’t developed into the nsw half , we all thought he was going to be.
But that does t make HIM crap . It makes our expectations wrong. And we need to adjust . It’s not about accepting mediocrity , it’s about accepting , that our half can’t win games by himself , so we have to surround him with good players . And if that still doesn’t work , then we move on .
But even all of that gets rejected . And that’s what I don’t understand . It’s entering the conversation in bad faith. No interest in debate , just to here yourself talk . And no , I’m happy for you to prove me wrong .

I have never said anything like that, he was good in 18 and 19 and terrible for the majority of last year. He needs to find the 18 and 19 form and build on that or we need to look in a different direction in 22.

 

[happy_tiger]

Has there ever been a player given so many excuses for under performing as Brooks?
He's got talent but obviously not much nous.
Keep taking the wrong options this year and he'll be saying goodbye.
Looks like we might finally have a younger halfback to put some pressure on him.

The excuses just keep rolling in it seems.

It Grants service
It's Benji
It's our forwards
It's the game plan
It's the coach
It's the bus driver
It's his mum not putting enough Vegemite on his toast
It's the weather
It's the culture
It's Mabo
It's the serenity
It's Brooks life matters
It's covid
It's the price of Bananas after a cyclone
It's the colour of his boots
It's the ball
It's the refs
It's the vibe
It's the media putting big wraps on him too early
It's his carspot at training
It's single mums
It's the phase of the moon
It's Demons
It's the Devil

3 try assists,
C'mon Lukey boy you can do better mate.

Is there a halfback under more pressure in 2021?

You are not the only fan disappointed with how his career has gone. But please be more reasonable in your assessment.
Can you name one halfback who would've been competent in taking this team to the finals over the last 7 years? Or capable of making us a Top 4 quality team in the same period? A halfback good enough to elevate this whole team?
Because I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly and it sounds like you think Brooks is a big failure for not successfully doing this by now.
That would've been a complete miracle, considering the sole responsibility doesn't fall on one player but rather how the team is made up and plays as a unit. The most ever-changing one in the NRL, at that. With the coaching instability to go with it.

Fair enough you feel a certain way and think he's unable to lead the team to glory but some of your points relate to factors which are not of Luke's account and exclude the biggest reason or highest contributing factors on why teams are excelling. (They have had dominant forward packs, well established combinations with their spine players, great strike players etc., etc.).
I believe the last time we had a team that closely resembled this was in 2010 and 2011.
So, it's any wonder the trajectory of his development and career has gone so wayward given the inconsistency has always been at foundation level.
Honestly don't see how any player in his position could've thrived in this environment. I otherwise couldn't agree more you though, that last year should be the biggest wake up call for him.

Did you see the stats of the halfbacks of the teams that finished below us last year?

Not to be rude but could you please stop talking in riddles?!?
There's absolutely no benefit to it, as it only means topics will continue to go around in circles.

Luke absolutely sucked in 2020. We've covered this - time and time again.
Same goes with discussions on his development.
To answer your question though, the answer is no. Why relive something that adds nothing new to the conversation?
Fans are probably 50/50 on Brooks. So it's not like your thoughts or feelings are that ground breaking either.

The Harry and Liddle comparisons are also getting a little annoying.
Harry's a gun but stop acting like the system he's at and its culture isn't vital to shaping his talent development or trajectory of his career.
Being part of an elite breeding ground will always Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon a club treading above water and criticising players for their injury history is just plain stupid IMO.
Even more so, start having some faith in the club. Though our expectations are mostly hypothetical at this point, things are run a lot differently now and it's only a matter of time when this will reflect on the field.

The lack of objectivity drives me crazy more than anything . I don’t care which side of the fence you sit , but to downright make comments like “he hasn’t played well the last couple of years “ is absolute dog crap . He won our player of the year in 2019 . And Happy saying he hasn’t played well for 8 years . Makes me think those people are either dumb as , or subscribing to the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon way of debating . Just pretend anything that undermines your point never happens and it’s all fake news .

heard it all now ......im saying if Brook doesnt fire this season he needs to go ....and now im a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporter ......you really cant stand people taking a contrary opinion to yours

I don’t know about anyone else …but if I failed in my job for 7/8 years running and had one good year …I am looking for a new

So that wasn’t you ? . Once again your doing exactly what my point was . Just make stuff up , to deflect from the fact , and deny ever actually saying stuff , that undermines your position.
? Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon playbook. I didn’t say supporter just the tactic .

We don't make the 8 ...he is the top line playmaker ...hey has to own it ...and funnily does own it in pressers he does ...but you don't ??

What are you talking about ? I’m talking about you , not brooks .
If brooks plays like a busted , especially with madden waiting in the wings , of course he should be replaced . But I literally rewatched 4 games today . Rounds 17-20 last year , because I wanted to see what was real or not . And brooks in all 4 games was one of our best . But he didn’t get the try asisots so . He sux . If I was using advanced metrics , I would devise a stat for points scored down a side , or points initiated . Because the way our systems work , brooks set up a lot of half chances or cutout balls to Mbye or AD or a centre to put the wing away. Maybe not the games before those rounds . I didn’t go back and watch to be honest , but those 4 games , whilst he only had I think 2 try assists , the expansion of play , and his desire to put his backs in a position to do thier thing was obvious . Benji got all the try assists , yet drifted into his centres space so much , and almost literally took the try assists away form Mbye and AD , talau and Joey . Go watch . I’m not making this up .
Brooks needs to get his try assists up in one way alone . Kicks . His kicking game near the line was anus , and a big contributor to his drop in try assists .

why are you talking about me .....am I playing in the 6 jersey

Your stretching mate .....none of the games you mentioned stood out to anyone here ...2020 is history

and will say for the 100th time if Brooks fails in 2021 he has to go

I’m stretching ? You know who the dumbest people on earth are ?
It’s not the people who are simple and know that. It’s The ones who think they’re the smartest , and have no doubt . I have serious doubts as to what I’m right and wrong about , and as such go back to see with a more open eye whenever I can, as when I watched it the first time or read it , or listened to it, I was watching with my heart as much as my head . I’m literally telling you I watched 5 hrs and 20 mins of footy today , and you say I’m stretching , when I offer an informed opinion based on facts . Once again I say , you’re more interested in winning some make believe straw man arguement than having an educated conversation. And honestly , I’ve lost respect in you happy . I thought you were smarter than that . But you’ve totally misread my last 5 posts , or disregarded them , or not understood them . Either way , I don’t respect your opinion , and I’m not interested in reading it anymore .
Not because I disagree , but because you are unwilling to look at things objectively , which means your opinion is an uneducated one .

Funniest thing I have read.
Post after post telling everyone that Brooks is so wonderful and has continually been let down by his dud teammates and you are accusing someone else of not being objective when they don’t agree.

I’m not ! Lol I’m saying admit simple facts . That’s it . Hard all, apparently that’s the forum equivalent of asking to admit the world is round . For some reason an impossible task . Whether you agree or not is irrelevant . Just admit truths.
Truth number 1 - he was dally m halfback of the year in 2018
Truth number 2 - he was our player of the year in 2019.
Truth number 3 - whilst being extremely poor most of last year , he was very good rounds 17-20.
Truth number 4 - he has not been a passenger prior to 2018 . He was woefully and frustratingly inconsistent, but not “bad at his job for 8 years” .
Thats what I’m railing against . That none of you haters will admit those 4 truths . And it’s unbelievably frustrating to read . And makes me think if we can’t agree to truths over something so pointless as to facts about a random footy player , this world doomed with big issues .
Whether you think he’s crap is Fine ! For the 100th time . Just don’t make crap up that is true. Stop conveniently leaving out facts you know are true to prove a point .
The fact you can’t understand that , does my head in . I literally laid it out and your dumb ass comes straight back with “you don’t like when people disagree with you” lol . Proving my whole point . And you don’t even realise it ! Lol

Only 2 of those are facts.

Strongee ...I dont' hate Brooks ..he has improved and worked hard ...but he can't get sides over the line and if he fails in 2021 he has to go ...how is that hating him ??

You need to get the ideas you have in people's opinion's out of your head and actually read the comments

I stir Geo up because he doesn't like it when I bag Brooks ..defensively Brooks is in the Top 3 ...his kicking game is oK , but his short kicking can be horrible at times and he doesn't have a spiral bomb ...and his attack (which this season is going to have to become his strength with Benji gone ) was pretty bad and even the coach dropped him

If Brooks has a bad season and we don't make the 8 he needs to go and if Liddle can't get 18-20 games this season he should get the chop as well

 

[cochise]

Has there ever been a player given so many excuses for under performing as Brooks?
He's got talent but obviously not much nous.
Keep taking the wrong options this year and he'll be saying goodbye.
Looks like we might finally have a younger halfback to put some pressure on him.

The excuses just keep rolling in it seems.

It Grants service
It's Benji
It's our forwards
It's the game plan
It's the coach
It's the bus driver
It's his mum not putting enough Vegemite on his toast
It's the weather
It's the culture
It's Mabo
It's the serenity
It's Brooks life matters
It's covid
It's the price of Bananas after a cyclone
It's the colour of his boots
It's the ball
It's the refs
It's the vibe
It's the media putting big wraps on him too early
It's his carspot at training
It's single mums
It's the phase of the moon
It's Demons
It's the Devil

3 try assists,
C'mon Lukey boy you can do better mate.

Is there a halfback under more pressure in 2021?

You are not the only fan disappointed with how his career has gone. But please be more reasonable in your assessment.
Can you name one halfback who would've been competent in taking this team to the finals over the last 7 years? Or capable of making us a Top 4 quality team in the same period? A halfback good enough to elevate this whole team?
Because I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly and it sounds like you think Brooks is a big failure for not successfully doing this by now.
That would've been a complete miracle, considering the sole responsibility doesn't fall on one player but rather how the team is made up and plays as a unit. The most ever-changing one in the NRL, at that. With the coaching instability to go with it.

Fair enough you feel a certain way and think he's unable to lead the team to glory but some of your points relate to factors which are not of Luke's account and exclude the biggest reason or highest contributing factors on why teams are excelling. (They have had dominant forward packs, well established combinations with their spine players, great strike players etc., etc.).
I believe the last time we had a team that closely resembled this was in 2010 and 2011.
So, it's any wonder the trajectory of his development and career has gone so wayward given the inconsistency has always been at foundation level.
Honestly don't see how any player in his position could've thrived in this environment. I otherwise couldn't agree more you though, that last year should be the biggest wake up call for him.

Did you see the stats of the halfbacks of the teams that finished below us last year?

Not to be rude but could you please stop talking in riddles?!?
There's absolutely no benefit to it, as it only means topics will continue to go around in circles.

Luke absolutely sucked in 2020. We've covered this - time and time again.
Same goes with discussions on his development.
To answer your question though, the answer is no. Why relive something that adds nothing new to the conversation?
Fans are probably 50/50 on Brooks. So it's not like your thoughts or feelings are that ground breaking either.

The Harry and Liddle comparisons are also getting a little annoying.
Harry's a gun but stop acting like the system he's at and its culture isn't vital to shaping his talent development or trajectory of his career.
Being part of an elite breeding ground will always Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon a club treading above water and criticising players for their injury history is just plain stupid IMO.
Even more so, start having some faith in the club. Though our expectations are mostly hypothetical at this point, things are run a lot differently now and it's only a matter of time when this will reflect on the field.

The lack of objectivity drives me crazy more than anything . I don’t care which side of the fence you sit , but to downright make comments like “he hasn’t played well the last couple of years “ is absolute dog crap . He won our player of the year in 2019 . And Happy saying he hasn’t played well for 8 years . Makes me think those people are either dumb as , or subscribing to the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon way of debating . Just pretend anything that undermines your point never happens and it’s all fake news .

heard it all now ......im saying if Brook doesnt fire this season he needs to go ....and now im a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporter ......you really cant stand people taking a contrary opinion to yours

I don’t know about anyone else …but if I failed in my job for 7/8 years running and had one good year …I am looking for a new

So that wasn’t you ? . Once again your doing exactly what my point was . Just make stuff up , to deflect from the fact , and deny ever actually saying stuff , that undermines your position.
? Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon playbook. I didn’t say supporter just the tactic .

We don't make the 8 ...he is the top line playmaker ...hey has to own it ...and funnily does own it in pressers he does ...but you don't ??

What are you talking about ? I’m talking about you , not brooks .
If brooks plays like a busted , especially with madden waiting in the wings , of course he should be replaced . But I literally rewatched 4 games today . Rounds 17-20 last year , because I wanted to see what was real or not . And brooks in all 4 games was one of our best . But he didn’t get the try asisots so . He sux . If I was using advanced metrics , I would devise a stat for points scored down a side , or points initiated . Because the way our systems work , brooks set up a lot of half chances or cutout balls to Mbye or AD or a centre to put the wing away. Maybe not the games before those rounds . I didn’t go back and watch to be honest , but those 4 games , whilst he only had I think 2 try assists , the expansion of play , and his desire to put his backs in a position to do thier thing was obvious . Benji got all the try assists , yet drifted into his centres space so much , and almost literally took the try assists away form Mbye and AD , talau and Joey . Go watch . I’m not making this up .
Brooks needs to get his try assists up in one way alone . Kicks . His kicking game near the line was anus , and a big contributor to his drop in try assists .

why are you talking about me .....am I playing in the 6 jersey

Your stretching mate .....none of the games you mentioned stood out to anyone here ...2020 is history

and will say for the 100th time if Brooks fails in 2021 he has to go

I’m stretching ? You know who the dumbest people on earth are ?
It’s not the people who are simple and know that. It’s The ones who think they’re the smartest , and have no doubt . I have serious doubts as to what I’m right and wrong about , and as such go back to see with a more open eye whenever I can, as when I watched it the first time or read it , or listened to it, I was watching with my heart as much as my head . I’m literally telling you I watched 5 hrs and 20 mins of footy today , and you say I’m stretching , when I offer an informed opinion based on facts . Once again I say , you’re more interested in winning some make believe straw man arguement than having an educated conversation. And honestly , I’ve lost respect in you happy . I thought you were smarter than that . But you’ve totally misread my last 5 posts , or disregarded them , or not understood them . Either way , I don’t respect your opinion , and I’m not interested in reading it anymore .
Not because I disagree , but because you are unwilling to look at things objectively , which means your opinion is an uneducated one .

Funniest thing I have read.
Post after post telling everyone that Brooks is so wonderful and has continually been let down by his dud teammates and you are accusing someone else of not being objective when they don’t agree.

I’m not ! Lol I’m saying admit simple facts . That’s it . Hard all, apparently that’s the forum equivalent of asking to admit the world is round . For some reason an impossible task . Whether you agree or not is irrelevant . Just admit truths.
Truth number 1 - he was dally m halfback of the year in 2018
Truth number 2 - he was our player of the year in 2019.
Truth number 3 - whilst being extremely poor most of last year , he was very good rounds 17-20.
Truth number 4 - he has not been a passenger prior to 2018 . He was woefully and frustratingly inconsistent, but not “bad at his job for 8 years” .
Thats what I’m railing against . That none of you haters will admit those 4 truths . And it’s unbelievably frustrating to read . And makes me think if we can’t agree to truths over something so pointless as to facts about a random footy player , this world doomed with big issues .
Whether you think he’s crap is Fine ! For the 100th time . Just don’t make crap up that is true. Stop conveniently leaving out facts you know are true to prove a point .
The fact you can’t understand that , does my head in . I literally laid it out and your dumb ass comes straight back with “you don’t like when people disagree with you” lol . Proving my whole point . And you don’t even realise it ! Lol

Only 2 of those are facts.

A true fact of this conversation is that it doesnt matter how much talent or ability you have individually, an NRL team must have players within it with the same percieved ability and talent so it works as a unit when coach puts gameplans and structures in place...to often have we seen our team with individual brilliance in half the team,only to be let down by the remaining players not being on the same page or not being gifted enough to either follow the plans or not good enough to be in the team,thats been the WTs for the last 8/9 years with chopping and changing the roster and coaches to frequently ....now hopefully we have the professional people in coaching,recruitment etc to finally give us stability and a shot at the finals and title in not to distant future...
I have said many times its to easy to blame players coaches etc if we havent walked a mile in their shoes,we however should really be really excited for this year as it appears we will be able to see nearly all the team supporting and playing for each other while the young guns develop and forge a career with us...

Couldn't disagree more.

No worries cochise,we cant all have the same opinion..this just happens to be mine...

Mate, no side has ever won anything in the salary cap era with a side all the same ability. You need the superstar players to make a difference. Munster for example would transform our team.