Luke Brooks

[TieDye]

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

I think you should take your Brooks posters off the wall cause you’ll be disappointed again this year

Pretty sure I won’t , if it’s from a guy who said we should have played josh Reynolds. I’ll take from guys like @mike , who clearly know what their talking about , and it’s a difference of opinion, but not from a hater like you , with no idea.

I’ll stick by that comment to play josh Reynolds cause brooks form was rubbish last year don’t be so aggressive with your comments I will end up in the foetal position screaming mummy help me

Please, I think that’s a little insensitive. Strongee may indeed be a super explosive UFC fighter irl - but I strongly suspect his comments were put to you regardless of that and aren’t intended to scare...

 

[cktiger]

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

You sure do love Brooksy.

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

Y do love Brooksy.

And you guys sure do dislike him. Someone’s got to zig to the hive mind zag . Hey we all have our islands to die on . I think brooks can be a top 3 half in the game , abs I think Liddle / Simpkin will lead to more wins than we ever would with grant . I’m loyal to tigers juniors like Brooks , Nofa , seyfarth etc . I’d much rather support Tigers players than the Cleary led , mercenaries we have watched the last 4 years . Loyalty , some of you should try it some time .

It has nothing to do with anybody disliking him.
It has to do with him not performing at a consistent level.
You're loyal to him because you're loyal to Tigers juniors?
Who do you support in there aren't any in first grade?
And are you loyal to the rest of the 'mercenaries' who make up the team and run out in our colours every week?
James Tamou says hi.
I'm sure most people are loyal to the club regardless who runs out for us - INCLUDING Brooks.
However, that doesn't mean myself, and others, can't have an opinion that he's been wasting our time and we would be better off with someone else.
Every year I hope he'll fire up... if he doesn't again this year it's better for the club to replace him... loyalty or not.

What ? I didn’t criticise you! I’m defending a guy , and validated my reasons with educated reasoning, and arguments to support my point . All footballers are inconsistent , especially halves not named Cooper Cronk . Even the great Andrew Johns had years where he was pretty average .
I said he was garbage last year . And yes I don’t support a team of mercenaries , which we trodden out the last few years . Tamou is hardly a mercenary , he’s a guy brought in to drive culture and lift standards. That’s not what a mercenary is.
He played extremely well in garbage teams in 18 and 19 . And I stated what I think happens in 20. .
We have a good team this year and I think he will lead us . I’m not going to death ride a guy before a ball is kicked , especially one who has already proved he can be in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game .
Get behind the guy !! All I read is , Garner is crap , Brooks is crap , Talau is too slow , Mika is a pillow , Liddle isn’t a first grader , Plodder This , Plodder that . and so on it goes .

And guys like Brooks and Nofa who chose to stay during the ship abandonment , have my loyalty because they chose to stay loyal . Even Jacob Liddle , the dogs sniffed hard for him last contract negotiations, and he stayed . I put a premium on that. Because I think the talent will come and so will the reward .

Seriously?
Where did I say you criticised me?
You keep going around in circles with your self proclaimed ‘ educated reasoning ‘ to regurgitate the same points.
Simple fact is he has to perform THIS YEAR.
Let’s hope for all our sakes he can.

 

[rustycage]

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

You sure do love Brooksy.

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

Y do love Brooksy.

And you guys sure do dislike him. Someone’s got to zig to the hive mind zag . Hey we all have our islands to die on . I think brooks can be a top 3 half in the game , abs I think Liddle / Simpkin will lead to more wins than we ever would with grant . I’m loyal to tigers juniors like Brooks , Nofa , seyfarth etc . I’d much rather support Tigers players than the Cleary led , mercenaries we have watched the last 4 years . Loyalty , some of you should try it some time .

It has nothing to do with anybody disliking him.
It has to do with him not performing at a consistent level.
You're loyal to him because you're loyal to Tigers juniors?
Who do you support in there aren't any in first grade?
And are you loyal to the rest of the 'mercenaries' who make up the team and run out in our colours every week?
James Tamou says hi.
I'm sure most people are loyal to the club regardless who runs out for us - INCLUDING Brooks.
However, that doesn't mean myself, and others, can't have an opinion that he's been wasting our time and we would be better off with someone else.
Every year I hope he'll fire up... if he doesn't again this year it's better for the club to replace him... loyalty or not.

What ? I didn’t criticise you! I’m defending a guy , and validated my reasons with educated reasoning, and arguments to support my point . All footballers are inconsistent , especially halves not named Cooper Cronk . Even the great Andrew Johns had years where he was pretty average .
I said he was garbage last year . And yes I don’t support a team of mercenaries , which we trodden out the last few years . Tamou is hardly a mercenary , he’s a guy brought in to drive culture and lift standards. That’s not what a mercenary is.
He played extremely well in garbage teams in 18 and 19 . And I stated what I think happens in 20. .
We have a good team this year and I think he will lead us . I’m not going to death ride a guy before a ball is kicked , especially one who has already proved he can be in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game .
Get behind the guy !! All I read is , Garner is crap , Brooks is crap , Talau is too slow , Mika is a pillow , Liddle isn’t a first grader , Plodder This , Plodder that . and so on it goes .

And guys like Brooks and Nofa who chose to stay during the ship abandonment , have my loyalty because they chose to stay loyal . Even Jacob Liddle , the dogs sniffed hard for him last contract negotiations, and he stayed . I put a premium on that. Because I think the talent will come and so will the reward .

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[jirskyr]

Funny, I have no interest whatsoever in reading Luke Brooks articles. I'm not even a hater, I think he's a good footballer, but the story NEVER changes.

I'd rather read a piece than listen to him. Those journos certainly pad and fluff the articles on Luke. I think I suggested 4 or 5 years back that it might be a good idea for the club to assist Luke with his public speaking. The poor bloke is still like a deer in the headlights.

He needs to stop talking about what he is going to or needs to do. Do it on the field and then he can talk about what he did.

In fairness to Brooks he doesn't ask to be interviewed, it's compulsory for him to speak to the media. I'm sure he's as sick of it as we are. And because Tigers win < 50%, he's only really able to talk about intent and potential, not actual success.

I'm not knocking the bloke for the beige-repeat articles, I just won't read them.

I don’t understand why people always knock the bloke answering the questions , It’s in every players contract obligations to answer the media, but I’m 99% sure if it was up to them none of them would even entertain the idea of giving them even 10 seconds of air time

100% for Luke Brooks.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

You sure do love Brooksy.

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

Y do love Brooksy.

And you guys sure do dislike him. Someone’s got to zig to the hive mind zag . Hey we all have our islands to die on . I think brooks can be a top 3 half in the game , abs I think Liddle / Simpkin will lead to more wins than we ever would with grant . I’m loyal to tigers juniors like Brooks , Nofa , seyfarth etc . I’d much rather support Tigers players than the Cleary led , mercenaries we have watched the last 4 years . Loyalty , some of you should try it some time .

It has nothing to do with anybody disliking him.
It has to do with him not performing at a consistent level.
You're loyal to him because you're loyal to Tigers juniors?
Who do you support in there aren't any in first grade?
And are you loyal to the rest of the 'mercenaries' who make up the team and run out in our colours every week?
James Tamou says hi.
I'm sure most people are loyal to the club regardless who runs out for us - INCLUDING Brooks.
However, that doesn't mean myself, and others, can't have an opinion that he's been wasting our time and we would be better off with someone else.
Every year I hope he'll fire up... if he doesn't again this year it's better for the club to replace him... loyalty or not.

What ? I didn’t criticise you! I’m defending a guy , and validated my reasons with educated reasoning, and arguments to support my point . All footballers are inconsistent , especially halves not named Cooper Cronk . Even the great Andrew Johns had years where he was pretty average .
I said he was garbage last year . And yes I don’t support a team of mercenaries , which we trodden out the last few years . Tamou is hardly a mercenary , he’s a guy brought in to drive culture and lift standards. That’s not what a mercenary is.
He played extremely well in garbage teams in 18 and 19 . And I stated what I think happens in 20. .
We have a good team this year and I think he will lead us . I’m not going to death ride a guy before a ball is kicked , especially one who has already proved he can be in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game .
Get behind the guy !! All I read is , Garner is crap , Brooks is crap , Talau is too slow , Mika is a pillow , Liddle isn’t a first grader , Plodder This , Plodder that . and so on it goes .

And guys like Brooks and Nofa who chose to stay during the ship abandonment , have my loyalty because they chose to stay loyal . Even Jacob Liddle , the dogs sniffed hard for him last contract negotiations, and he stayed . I put a premium on that. Because I think the talent will come and so will the reward .

Seriously?
Where did I say you criticised me?
You keep going around in circles with your self proclaimed ‘ educated reasoning ‘ to regurgitate the same points.
Simple fact is he has to perform THIS YEAR.
Let’s hope for all our sakes he can.

I’m not going around in circles at all . Repeating myself maybe . But going around in circles implies I’m twisted in some knot , which hasn’t happened. I’ve stated facts. If you’re saying he was garbage last year and we can’t have that again . Well that’s a given I thought ?
If your saying he’s never played well , and he’s done nothing since he debuted . Then I call bull crap to that , and it’s a flat out lie .
They’re 2 separate issues , but apparently you can’t acknowledge one , without defending the other. He’s a gun footballer , who had a down year after 2 very good ones . That’s the truth .
But because people want him to be Johns 2.0 then he’s a failure . But he’s not . To me he’s Matt Orford 2.0 . And that’s a very very good halfback .

 

[cktiger]

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

You sure do love Brooksy.

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

Y do love Brooksy.

And you guys sure do dislike him. Someone’s got to zig to the hive mind zag . Hey we all have our islands to die on . I think brooks can be a top 3 half in the game , abs I think Liddle / Simpkin will lead to more wins than we ever would with grant . I’m loyal to tigers juniors like Brooks , Nofa , seyfarth etc . I’d much rather support Tigers players than the Cleary led , mercenaries we have watched the last 4 years . Loyalty , some of you should try it some time .

It has nothing to do with anybody disliking him.
It has to do with him not performing at a consistent level.
You're loyal to him because you're loyal to Tigers juniors?
Who do you support in there aren't any in first grade?
And are you loyal to the rest of the 'mercenaries' who make up the team and run out in our colours every week?
James Tamou says hi.
I'm sure most people are loyal to the club regardless who runs out for us - INCLUDING Brooks.
However, that doesn't mean myself, and others, can't have an opinion that he's been wasting our time and we would be better off with someone else.
Every year I hope he'll fire up... if he doesn't again this year it's better for the club to replace him... loyalty or not.

What ? I didn’t criticise you! I’m defending a guy , and validated my reasons with educated reasoning, and arguments to support my point . All footballers are inconsistent , especially halves not named Cooper Cronk . Even the great Andrew Johns had years where he was pretty average .
I said he was garbage last year . And yes I don’t support a team of mercenaries , which we trodden out the last few years . Tamou is hardly a mercenary , he’s a guy brought in to drive culture and lift standards. That’s not what a mercenary is.
He played extremely well in garbage teams in 18 and 19 . And I stated what I think happens in 20. .
We have a good team this year and I think he will lead us . I’m not going to death ride a guy before a ball is kicked , especially one who has already proved he can be in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game .
Get behind the guy !! All I read is , Garner is crap , Brooks is crap , Talau is too slow , Mika is a pillow , Liddle isn’t a first grader , Plodder This , Plodder that . and so on it goes .

And guys like Brooks and Nofa who chose to stay during the ship abandonment , have my loyalty because they chose to stay loyal . Even Jacob Liddle , the dogs sniffed hard for him last contract negotiations, and he stayed . I put a premium on that. Because I think the talent will come and so will the reward .

Seriously?
Where did I say you criticised me?
You keep going around in circles with your self proclaimed ‘ educated reasoning ‘ to regurgitate the same points.
Simple fact is he has to perform THIS YEAR.
Let’s hope for all our sakes he can.

I’m not going around in circles at all . Repeating myself maybe . But going around in circles implies I’m twisted in some knot , which hasn’t happened. I’ve stated facts. If you’re saying he was garbage last year and we can’t have that again . Well that’s a given I thought ?
If your saying he’s never played well , and he’s done nothing since he debuted . Then I call bull crap to that , and it’s a flat out lie .
They’re 2 separate issues , but apparently you can’t acknowledge one , without defending the other. He’s a gun footballer , who had a down year after 2 very good ones . That’s the truth .
But because people want him to be Johns 2.0 then he’s a failure . But he’s not . To me he’s Matt Orford 2.0 . And that’s a very very good halfback .

Ok - included in your stats is that he was our best player in 2018 and 2019.
You also said we had “garbage teams” those years so maybe he didn’t have much to beat?
Doesn’t matter anyway as your not going to change your opinion when you actually think he is “in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game. PS I have never said he hasn’t ever played well or done anything since his debut.
His problem is consistency.
You, however, don’t care if he turns out a dud or not as long as he’s a local junior.

 

[sleeve]

I'M amazed at peoples perceptions, when a comparison is made. it's always against the best, for example Thurston, Johns, etc. never against the average. These players also played in some of the best sides of all time.B Smith, Langer,Sterling,Cronk,Lockyer, Daley, Fittler,Lewis, etc. the list is extensive. The one thing these players had , was a team at their best. Did they make the team great ? NO! The team allowed them to be Great.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

You sure do love Brooksy.

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

Y do love Brooksy.

And you guys sure do dislike him. Someone’s got to zig to the hive mind zag . Hey we all have our islands to die on . I think brooks can be a top 3 half in the game , abs I think Liddle / Simpkin will lead to more wins than we ever would with grant . I’m loyal to tigers juniors like Brooks , Nofa , seyfarth etc . I’d much rather support Tigers players than the Cleary led , mercenaries we have watched the last 4 years . Loyalty , some of you should try it some time .

It has nothing to do with anybody disliking him.
It has to do with him not performing at a consistent level.
You're loyal to him because you're loyal to Tigers juniors?
Who do you support in there aren't any in first grade?
And are you loyal to the rest of the 'mercenaries' who make up the team and run out in our colours every week?
James Tamou says hi.
I'm sure most people are loyal to the club regardless who runs out for us - INCLUDING Brooks.
However, that doesn't mean myself, and others, can't have an opinion that he's been wasting our time and we would be better off with someone else.
Every year I hope he'll fire up... if he doesn't again this year it's better for the club to replace him... loyalty or not.

What ? I didn’t criticise you! I’m defending a guy , and validated my reasons with educated reasoning, and arguments to support my point . All footballers are inconsistent , especially halves not named Cooper Cronk . Even the great Andrew Johns had years where he was pretty average .
I said he was garbage last year . And yes I don’t support a team of mercenaries , which we trodden out the last few years . Tamou is hardly a mercenary , he’s a guy brought in to drive culture and lift standards. That’s not what a mercenary is.
He played extremely well in garbage teams in 18 and 19 . And I stated what I think happens in 20. .
We have a good team this year and I think he will lead us . I’m not going to death ride a guy before a ball is kicked , especially one who has already proved he can be in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game .
Get behind the guy !! All I read is , Garner is crap , Brooks is crap , Talau is too slow , Mika is a pillow , Liddle isn’t a first grader , Plodder This , Plodder that . and so on it goes .

And guys like Brooks and Nofa who chose to stay during the ship abandonment , have my loyalty because they chose to stay loyal . Even Jacob Liddle , the dogs sniffed hard for him last contract negotiations, and he stayed . I put a premium on that. Because I think the talent will come and so will the reward .

Seriously?
Where did I say you criticised me?
You keep going around in circles with your self proclaimed ‘ educated reasoning ‘ to regurgitate the same points.
Simple fact is he has to perform THIS YEAR.
Let’s hope for all our sakes he can.

I’m not going around in circles at all . Repeating myself maybe . But going around in circles implies I’m twisted in some knot , which hasn’t happened. I’ve stated facts. If you’re saying he was garbage last year and we can’t have that again . Well that’s a given I thought ?
If your saying he’s never played well , and he’s done nothing since he debuted . Then I call bull crap to that , and it’s a flat out lie .
They’re 2 separate issues , but apparently you can’t acknowledge one , without defending the other. He’s a gun footballer , who had a down year after 2 very good ones . That’s the truth .
But because people want him to be Johns 2.0 then he’s a failure . But he’s not . To me he’s Matt Orford 2.0 . And that’s a very very good halfback .

Ok - included in your stats is that he was our best player in 2018 and 2019.
You also said we had “garbage teams” those years so maybe he didn’t have much to beat?
Doesn’t matter anyway as your not going to change your opinion when you actually think he is “in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game. PS I have never said he hasn’t ever played well or done anything since his debut.
His problem is consistency.
You, however, don’t care if he turns out a dud or not as long as he’s a local junior.

A lot assumptions there buddy . No grounding in fact anywhere . The backline in 18 and 19 had at one point ;
Thompson nofa , Fonua , chee kam and Watene zlezniak . That’s what we were trodding out , at times .
And he cam top 5 in try assists both years , and repeat sets . That I think speaks for itself . Your comment about me and him being a dud is just dribble . Of course I care , I just know he’s a good footballer already , with potential to be great . But whatever , you believe what you want . I’m commenting on all the hate , which is the only reason I’m replying . Once again , you should try loyalty once in awhile instead of “what about me” , might make you actually like the team you support.

 

[cktiger]

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

You sure do love Brooksy.

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

Y do love Brooksy.

And you guys sure do dislike him. Someone’s got to zig to the hive mind zag . Hey we all have our islands to die on . I think brooks can be a top 3 half in the game , abs I think Liddle / Simpkin will lead to more wins than we ever would with grant . I’m loyal to tigers juniors like Brooks , Nofa , seyfarth etc . I’d much rather support Tigers players than the Cleary led , mercenaries we have watched the last 4 years . Loyalty , some of you should try it some time .

It has nothing to do with anybody disliking him.
It has to do with him not performing at a consistent level.
You're loyal to him because you're loyal to Tigers juniors?
Who do you support in there aren't any in first grade?
And are you loyal to the rest of the 'mercenaries' who make up the team and run out in our colours every week?
James Tamou says hi.
I'm sure most people are loyal to the club regardless who runs out for us - INCLUDING Brooks.
However, that doesn't mean myself, and others, can't have an opinion that he's been wasting our time and we would be better off with someone else.
Every year I hope he'll fire up... if he doesn't again this year it's better for the club to replace him... loyalty or not.

What ? I didn’t criticise you! I’m defending a guy , and validated my reasons with educated reasoning, and arguments to support my point . All footballers are inconsistent , especially halves not named Cooper Cronk . Even the great Andrew Johns had years where he was pretty average .
I said he was garbage last year . And yes I don’t support a team of mercenaries , which we trodden out the last few years . Tamou is hardly a mercenary , he’s a guy brought in to drive culture and lift standards. That’s not what a mercenary is.
He played extremely well in garbage teams in 18 and 19 . And I stated what I think happens in 20. .
We have a good team this year and I think he will lead us . I’m not going to death ride a guy before a ball is kicked , especially one who has already proved he can be in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game .
Get behind the guy !! All I read is , Garner is crap , Brooks is crap , Talau is too slow , Mika is a pillow , Liddle isn’t a first grader , Plodder This , Plodder that . and so on it goes .

And guys like Brooks and Nofa who chose to stay during the ship abandonment , have my loyalty because they chose to stay loyal . Even Jacob Liddle , the dogs sniffed hard for him last contract negotiations, and he stayed . I put a premium on that. Because I think the talent will come and so will the reward .

Seriously?
Where did I say you criticised me?
You keep going around in circles with your self proclaimed ‘ educated reasoning ‘ to regurgitate the same points.
Simple fact is he has to perform THIS YEAR.
Let’s hope for all our sakes he can.

I’m not going around in circles at all . Repeating myself maybe . But going around in circles implies I’m twisted in some knot , which hasn’t happened. I’ve stated facts. If you’re saying he was garbage last year and we can’t have that again . Well that’s a given I thought ?
If your saying he’s never played well , and he’s done nothing since he debuted . Then I call bull crap to that , and it’s a flat out lie .
They’re 2 separate issues , but apparently you can’t acknowledge one , without defending the other. He’s a gun footballer , who had a down year after 2 very good ones . That’s the truth .
But because people want him to be Johns 2.0 then he’s a failure . But he’s not . To me he’s Matt Orford 2.0 . And that’s a very very good halfback .

Ok - included in your stats is that he was our best player in 2018 and 2019.
You also said we had “garbage teams” those years so maybe he didn’t have much to beat?
Doesn’t matter anyway as your not going to change your opinion when you actually think he is “in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game. PS I have never said he hasn’t ever played well or done anything since his debut.
His problem is consistency.
You, however, don’t care if he turns out a dud or not as long as he’s a local junior.

A lot assumptions there buddy . No grounding in fact anywhere . The backline in 18 and 19 had at one point ;
Thompson nofa , Fonua , chee kam and Watene zlezniak . That’s what we were trodding out , at times .
And he cam top 5 in try assists both years , and repeat sets . That I think speaks for itself . Your comment about me and him being a dud is just dribble . Of course I care , I just know he’s a good footballer already , with potential to be great . But whatever , you believe what you want . I’m commenting on all the hate , which is the only reason I’m replying . Once again , you should try loyalty once in awhile instead of “what about me” , might make you actually like the team you support.

Here you go putting words in my mouth again to try and help your argument.
Once again I don’t hate Brooks- and I’m sure everybody else who thinks he isn’t our answer at half don’t hate him either.
In fact by noting our backline in 18/19 you actually proved my point about him not having much opposition in the team.
As for loyalty?
I’ve been loyal to this club since I was born.
I want what’s best to make the team winners.
You just stick to your line about Brooks being Mr Wonderful.
For the sake of the team I have always remained loyal to I hope he is.
If not then it’s been long enough ....the chop.
Enough from me.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

You sure do love Brooksy.

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

Y do love Brooksy.

And you guys sure do dislike him. Someone’s got to zig to the hive mind zag . Hey we all have our islands to die on . I think brooks can be a top 3 half in the game , abs I think Liddle / Simpkin will lead to more wins than we ever would with grant . I’m loyal to tigers juniors like Brooks , Nofa , seyfarth etc . I’d much rather support Tigers players than the Cleary led , mercenaries we have watched the last 4 years . Loyalty , some of you should try it some time .

It has nothing to do with anybody disliking him.
It has to do with him not performing at a consistent level.
You're loyal to him because you're loyal to Tigers juniors?
Who do you support in there aren't any in first grade?
And are you loyal to the rest of the 'mercenaries' who make up the team and run out in our colours every week?
James Tamou says hi.
I'm sure most people are loyal to the club regardless who runs out for us - INCLUDING Brooks.
However, that doesn't mean myself, and others, can't have an opinion that he's been wasting our time and we would be better off with someone else.
Every year I hope he'll fire up... if he doesn't again this year it's better for the club to replace him... loyalty or not.

What ? I didn’t criticise you! I’m defending a guy , and validated my reasons with educated reasoning, and arguments to support my point . All footballers are inconsistent , especially halves not named Cooper Cronk . Even the great Andrew Johns had years where he was pretty average .
I said he was garbage last year . And yes I don’t support a team of mercenaries , which we trodden out the last few years . Tamou is hardly a mercenary , he’s a guy brought in to drive culture and lift standards. That’s not what a mercenary is.
He played extremely well in garbage teams in 18 and 19 . And I stated what I think happens in 20. .
We have a good team this year and I think he will lead us . I’m not going to death ride a guy before a ball is kicked , especially one who has already proved he can be in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game .
Get behind the guy !! All I read is , Garner is crap , Brooks is crap , Talau is too slow , Mika is a pillow , Liddle isn’t a first grader , Plodder This , Plodder that . and so on it goes .

And guys like Brooks and Nofa who chose to stay during the ship abandonment , have my loyalty because they chose to stay loyal . Even Jacob Liddle , the dogs sniffed hard for him last contract negotiations, and he stayed . I put a premium on that. Because I think the talent will come and so will the reward .

Seriously?
Where did I say you criticised me?
You keep going around in circles with your self proclaimed ‘ educated reasoning ‘ to regurgitate the same points.
Simple fact is he has to perform THIS YEAR.
Let’s hope for all our sakes he can.

I’m not going around in circles at all . Repeating myself maybe . But going around in circles implies I’m twisted in some knot , which hasn’t happened. I’ve stated facts. If you’re saying he was garbage last year and we can’t have that again . Well that’s a given I thought ?
If your saying he’s never played well , and he’s done nothing since he debuted . Then I call bull crap to that , and it’s a flat out lie .
They’re 2 separate issues , but apparently you can’t acknowledge one , without defending the other. He’s a gun footballer , who had a down year after 2 very good ones . That’s the truth .
But because people want him to be Johns 2.0 then he’s a failure . But he’s not . To me he’s Matt Orford 2.0 . And that’s a very very good halfback .

Ok - included in your stats is that he was our best player in 2018 and 2019.
You also said we had “garbage teams” those years so maybe he didn’t have much to beat?
Doesn’t matter anyway as your not going to change your opinion when you actually think he is “in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game. PS I have never said he hasn’t ever played well or done anything since his debut.
His problem is consistency.
You, however, don’t care if he turns out a dud or not as long as he’s a local junior.

A lot assumptions there buddy . No grounding in fact anywhere . The backline in 18 and 19 had at one point ;
Thompson nofa , Fonua , chee kam and Watene zlezniak . That’s what we were trodding out , at times .
And he cam top 5 in try assists both years , and repeat sets . That I think speaks for itself . Your comment about me and him being a dud is just dribble . Of course I care , I just know he’s a good footballer already , with potential to be great . But whatever , you believe what you want . I’m commenting on all the hate , which is the only reason I’m replying . Once again , you should try loyalty once in awhile instead of “what about me” , might make you actually like the team you support.

Here you go putting words in my mouth again to try and help your argument.
Once again I don’t hate Brooks- and I’m sure everybody else who thinks he isn’t our answer at half don’t hate him either.
In fact by noting our backline in 18/19 you actually proved my point about him not having much opposition in the team.
As for loyalty?
I’ve been loyal to this club since I was born.
I want what’s best to make the team winners.
You just stick to your line about Brooks being Mr Wonderful.
For the sake of the team I have always remained loyal to I hope he is.
If not then it’s been long enough ....the chop.
Enoughfrom me.

How did I prove your point ? It’s literally the worst backline I can remember on any team in recent memory , and he used that to produce a high volume in tries and assists . How am I putting words in your mouth ? If you don’t like / rate the players you support , and are constantly calling for thier heads how is that loyalty , to anything other than yourself ? It’s not even loyal to the club. I rarely bag our players other than guys like Matto and Moses , who clearly were in it for themselves , even benji in the end of last year . I’m loyal to guys who drive culture and the tigers spirit , as the best thing about 05 is the core of that team , were mostly tigers juniors and old heads , like O’Neil and Skando . It made it all the more special , to win that way . And it’s with this in mind that I stay loyal to the guys who stuck it out , through the last 5 years and all the crap we have put ourselves through . I want them to win , as much as I want the tigers to win . The guys like Nofa and Brooks , even the Chee Kam types who came across and developed a love for the joint . There’s a certain magic to that. If that means I’m nepotistic to our players and juniors , well whatever , I wouldn’t be the first person in rugby league to show nepotism. But I truely believe it’s not misplaced faith . And when we do win the comp , with juniors like Brooks, Nofa , AD , Liddle , in the team , it will be all the more rewarding .

 

[cktiger]

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

You sure do love Brooksy.

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

Y do love Brooksy.

And you guys sure do dislike him. Someone’s got to zig to the hive mind zag . Hey we all have our islands to die on . I think brooks can be a top 3 half in the game , abs I think Liddle / Simpkin will lead to more wins than we ever would with grant . I’m loyal to tigers juniors like Brooks , Nofa , seyfarth etc . I’d much rather support Tigers players than the Cleary led , mercenaries we have watched the last 4 years . Loyalty , some of you should try it some time .

It has nothing to do with anybody disliking him.
It has to do with him not performing at a consistent level.
You're loyal to him because you're loyal to Tigers juniors?
Who do you support in there aren't any in first grade?
And are you loyal to the rest of the 'mercenaries' who make up the team and run out in our colours every week?
James Tamou says hi.
I'm sure most people are loyal to the club regardless who runs out for us - INCLUDING Brooks.
However, that doesn't mean myself, and others, can't have an opinion that he's been wasting our time and we would be better off with someone else.
Every year I hope he'll fire up... if he doesn't again this year it's better for the club to replace him... loyalty or not.

What ? I didn’t criticise you! I’m defending a guy , and validated my reasons with educated reasoning, and arguments to support my point . All footballers are inconsistent , especially halves not named Cooper Cronk . Even the great Andrew Johns had years where he was pretty average .
I said he was garbage last year . And yes I don’t support a team of mercenaries , which we trodden out the last few years . Tamou is hardly a mercenary , he’s a guy brought in to drive culture and lift standards. That’s not what a mercenary is.
He played extremely well in garbage teams in 18 and 19 . And I stated what I think happens in 20. .
We have a good team this year and I think he will lead us . I’m not going to death ride a guy before a ball is kicked , especially one who has already proved he can be in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game .
Get behind the guy !! All I read is , Garner is crap , Brooks is crap , Talau is too slow , Mika is a pillow , Liddle isn’t a first grader , Plodder This , Plodder that . and so on it goes .

And guys like Brooks and Nofa who chose to stay during the ship abandonment , have my loyalty because they chose to stay loyal . Even Jacob Liddle , the dogs sniffed hard for him last contract negotiations, and he stayed . I put a premium on that. Because I think the talent will come and so will the reward .

Seriously?
Where did I say you criticised me?
You keep going around in circles with your self proclaimed ‘ educated reasoning ‘ to regurgitate the same points.
Simple fact is he has to perform THIS YEAR.
Let’s hope for all our sakes he can.

I’m not going around in circles at all . Repeating myself maybe . But going around in circles implies I’m twisted in some knot , which hasn’t happened. I’ve stated facts. If you’re saying he was garbage last year and we can’t have that again . Well that’s a given I thought ?
If your saying he’s never played well , and he’s done nothing since he debuted . Then I call bull crap to that , and it’s a flat out lie .
They’re 2 separate issues , but apparently you can’t acknowledge one , without defending the other. He’s a gun footballer , who had a down year after 2 very good ones . That’s the truth .
But because people want him to be Johns 2.0 then he’s a failure . But he’s not . To me he’s Matt Orford 2.0 . And that’s a very very good halfback .

Ok - included in your stats is that he was our best player in 2018 and 2019.
You also said we had “garbage teams” those years so maybe he didn’t have much to beat?
Doesn’t matter anyway as your not going to change your opinion when you actually think he is “in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game. PS I have never said he hasn’t ever played well or done anything since his debut.
His problem is consistency.
You, however, don’t care if he turns out a dud or not as long as he’s a local junior.

A lot assumptions there buddy . No grounding in fact anywhere . The backline in 18 and 19 had at one point ;
Thompson nofa , Fonua , chee kam and Watene zlezniak . That’s what we were trodding out , at times .
And he cam top 5 in try assists both years , and repeat sets . That I think speaks for itself . Your comment about me and him being a dud is just dribble . Of course I care , I just know he’s a good footballer already , with potential to be great . But whatever , you believe what you want . I’m commenting on all the hate , which is the only reason I’m replying . Once again , you should try loyalty once in awhile instead of “what about me” , might make you actually like the team you support.

Here you go putting words in my mouth again to try and help your argument.
Once again I don’t hate Brooks- and I’m sure everybody else who thinks he isn’t our answer at half don’t hate him either.
In fact by noting our backline in 18/19 you actually proved my point about him not having much opposition in the team.
As for loyalty?
I’ve been loyal to this club since I was born.
I want what’s best to make the team winners.
You just stick to your line about Brooks being Mr Wonderful.
For the sake of the team I have always remained loyal to I hope he is.
If not then it’s been long enough ....the chop.
Enoughfrom me.

How did I prove your point ? It’s literally the worst backline I can remember on any team in recent memory , and he used that to produce a high volume in tries and assists . How am I putting words in your mouth ? If you don’t like / rate the players you support , and are constantly calling for thier heads how is that loyalty , to anything other than yourself ? It’s not even loyal to the club. I rarely bag our players other than guys like Matto and Moses , who clearly were in it for themselves , even benji in the end of last year . I’m loyal to guys who drive culture and the tigers spirit , as the best thing about 05 is the core of that team , were mostly tigers juniors and old heads , like O’Neil and Skando . It made it all the more special , to win that way . And it’s with this in mind that I stay loyal to the guys who stuck it out , through the last 5 years and all the crap we have put ourselves through . I want them to win , as much as I want the tigers to win . The guys like Nofa and Brooks , even the Chee Kam types who came across and developed a love for the joint . There’s a certain magic to that. If that means I’m nepotistic to our players and juniors , well whatever , I wouldn’t be the first person in rugby league to show nepotism. But I truely believe it’s not misplaced faith . And when we do win the comp , with juniors like Brooks, Nofa , AD , Liddle , in the team , it will be all the more rewarding .

Either you don’t get what people say or just don’t want to.
Not worth the effort.
For the last time I hope he goes ok for everyone’s sake.

 

[TrueTiger]

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

You sure do love Brooksy.

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

Y do love Brooksy.

And you guys sure do dislike him. Someone’s got to zig to the hive mind zag . Hey we all have our islands to die on . I think brooks can be a top 3 half in the game , abs I think Liddle / Simpkin will lead to more wins than we ever would with grant . I’m loyal to tigers juniors like Brooks , Nofa , seyfarth etc . I’d much rather support Tigers players than the Cleary led , mercenaries we have watched the last 4 years . Loyalty , some of you should try it some time .

It has nothing to do with anybody disliking him.
It has to do with him not performing at a consistent level.
You're loyal to him because you're loyal to Tigers juniors?
Who do you support in there aren't any in first grade?
And are you loyal to the rest of the 'mercenaries' who make up the team and run out in our colours every week?
James Tamou says hi.
I'm sure most people are loyal to the club regardless who runs out for us - INCLUDING Brooks.
However, that doesn't mean myself, and others, can't have an opinion that he's been wasting our time and we would be better off with someone else.
Every year I hope he'll fire up... if he doesn't again this year it's better for the club to replace him... loyalty or not.

What ? I didn’t criticise you! I’m defending a guy , and validated my reasons with educated reasoning, and arguments to support my point . All footballers are inconsistent , especially halves not named Cooper Cronk . Even the great Andrew Johns had years where he was pretty average .
I said he was garbage last year . And yes I don’t support a team of mercenaries , which we trodden out the last few years . Tamou is hardly a mercenary , he’s a guy brought in to drive culture and lift standards. That’s not what a mercenary is.
He played extremely well in garbage teams in 18 and 19 . And I stated what I think happens in 20. .
We have a good team this year and I think he will lead us . I’m not going to death ride a guy before a ball is kicked , especially one who has already proved he can be in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game .
Get behind the guy !! All I read is , Garner is crap , Brooks is crap , Talau is too slow , Mika is a pillow , Liddle isn’t a first grader , Plodder This , Plodder that . and so on it goes .

And guys like Brooks and Nofa who chose to stay during the ship abandonment , have my loyalty because they chose to stay loyal . Even Jacob Liddle , the dogs sniffed hard for him last contract negotiations, and he stayed . I put a premium on that. Because I think the talent will come and so will the reward .

Seriously?
Where did I say you criticised me?
You keep going around in circles with your self proclaimed ‘ educated reasoning ‘ to regurgitate the same points.
Simple fact is he has to perform THIS YEAR.
Let’s hope for all our sakes he can.

I’m not going around in circles at all . Repeating myself maybe . But going around in circles implies I’m twisted in some knot , which hasn’t happened. I’ve stated facts. If you’re saying he was garbage last year and we can’t have that again . Well that’s a given I thought ?
If your saying he’s never played well , and he’s done nothing since he debuted . Then I call bull crap to that , and it’s a flat out lie .
They’re 2 separate issues , but apparently you can’t acknowledge one , without defending the other. He’s a gun footballer , who had a down year after 2 very good ones . That’s the truth .
But because people want him to be Johns 2.0 then he’s a failure . But he’s not . To me he’s Matt Orford 2.0 . And that’s a very very good halfback .

Ok - included in your stats is that he was our best player in 2018 and 2019.
You also said we had “garbage teams” those years so maybe he didn’t have much to beat?
Doesn’t matter anyway as your not going to change your opinion when you actually think he is “in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game. PS I have never said he hasn’t ever played well or done anything since his debut.
His problem is consistency.
You, however, don’t care if he turns out a dud or not as long as he’s a local junior.

A lot assumptions there buddy . No grounding in fact anywhere . The backline in 18 and 19 had at one point ;
Thompson nofa , Fonua , chee kam and Watene zlezniak . That’s what we were trodding out , at times .
And he cam top 5 in try assists both years , and repeat sets . That I think speaks for itself . Your comment about me and him being a dud is just dribble . Of course I care , I just know he’s a good footballer already , with potential to be great . But whatever , you believe what you want . I’m commenting on all the hate , which is the only reason I’m replying . Once again , you should try loyalty once in awhile instead of “what about me” , might make you actually like the team you support.

Here you go putting words in my mouth again to try and help your argument.
Once again I don’t hate Brooks- and I’m sure everybody else who thinks he isn’t our answer at half don’t hate him either.
In fact by noting our backline in 18/19 you actually proved my point about him not having much opposition in the team.
As for loyalty?
I’ve been loyal to this club since I was born.
I want what’s best to make the team winners.
You just stick to your line about Brooks being Mr Wonderful.
For the sake of the team I have always remained loyal to I hope he is.
If not then it’s been long enough ....the chop.
Enoughfrom me.

How did I prove your point ? It’s literally the worst backline I can remember on any team in recent memory , and he used that to produce a high volume in tries and assists . How am I putting words in your mouth ? If you don’t like / rate the players you support , and are constantly calling for thier heads how is that loyalty , to anything other than yourself ? It’s not even loyal to the club. I rarely bag our players other than guys like Matto and Moses , who clearly were in it for themselves , even benji in the end of last year . I’m loyal to guys who drive culture and the tigers spirit , as the best thing about 05 is the core of that team , were mostly tigers juniors and old heads , like O’Neil and Skando . It made it all the more special , to win that way . And it’s with this in mind that I stay loyal to the guys who stuck it out , through the last 5 years and all the crap we have put ourselves through . I want them to win , as much as I want the tigers to win . The guys like Nofa and Brooks , even the Chee Kam types who came across and developed a love for the joint . There’s a certain magic to that. If that means I’m nepotistic to our players and juniors , well whatever , I wouldn’t be the first person in rugby league to show nepotism. But I truely believe it’s not misplaced faith . And when we do win the comp , with juniors like Brooks, Nofa , AD , Liddle , in the team , it will be all the more rewarding .

Either you don’t get what people say or just don’t want to.
Not worth the effort.
For the last time I hope he goes ok for everyone’s sake.

Ive said it before ck,now the club icon has gone Brooks will come to his own and have a very,very good year...and I have knocked him many times before,until I seen the damage Benji had done to Lukes confidence...

 

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The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

You sure do love Brooksy.

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

Y do love Brooksy.

And you guys sure do dislike him. Someone’s got to zig to the hive mind zag . Hey we all have our islands to die on . I think brooks can be a top 3 half in the game , abs I think Liddle / Simpkin will lead to more wins than we ever would with grant . I’m loyal to tigers juniors like Brooks , Nofa , seyfarth etc . I’d much rather support Tigers players than the Cleary led , mercenaries we have watched the last 4 years . Loyalty , some of you should try it some time .

It has nothing to do with anybody disliking him.
It has to do with him not performing at a consistent level.
You're loyal to him because you're loyal to Tigers juniors?
Who do you support in there aren't any in first grade?
And are you loyal to the rest of the 'mercenaries' who make up the team and run out in our colours every week?
James Tamou says hi.
I'm sure most people are loyal to the club regardless who runs out for us - INCLUDING Brooks.
However, that doesn't mean myself, and others, can't have an opinion that he's been wasting our time and we would be better off with someone else.
Every year I hope he'll fire up... if he doesn't again this year it's better for the club to replace him... loyalty or not.

What ? I didn’t criticise you! I’m defending a guy , and validated my reasons with educated reasoning, and arguments to support my point . All footballers are inconsistent , especially halves not named Cooper Cronk . Even the great Andrew Johns had years where he was pretty average .
I said he was garbage last year . And yes I don’t support a team of mercenaries , which we trodden out the last few years . Tamou is hardly a mercenary , he’s a guy brought in to drive culture and lift standards. That’s not what a mercenary is.
He played extremely well in garbage teams in 18 and 19 . And I stated what I think happens in 20. .
We have a good team this year and I think he will lead us . I’m not going to death ride a guy before a ball is kicked , especially one who has already proved he can be in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game .
Get behind the guy !! All I read is , Garner is crap , Brooks is crap , Talau is too slow , Mika is a pillow , Liddle isn’t a first grader , Plodder This , Plodder that . and so on it goes .

And guys like Brooks and Nofa who chose to stay during the ship abandonment , have my loyalty because they chose to stay loyal . Even Jacob Liddle , the dogs sniffed hard for him last contract negotiations, and he stayed . I put a premium on that. Because I think the talent will come and so will the reward .

Seriously?
Where did I say you criticised me?
You keep going around in circles with your self proclaimed ‘ educated reasoning ‘ to regurgitate the same points.
Simple fact is he has to perform THIS YEAR.
Let’s hope for all our sakes he can.

I’m not going around in circles at all . Repeating myself maybe . But going around in circles implies I’m twisted in some knot , which hasn’t happened. I’ve stated facts. If you’re saying he was garbage last year and we can’t have that again . Well that’s a given I thought ?
If your saying he’s never played well , and he’s done nothing since he debuted . Then I call bull crap to that , and it’s a flat out lie .
They’re 2 separate issues , but apparently you can’t acknowledge one , without defending the other. He’s a gun footballer , who had a down year after 2 very good ones . That’s the truth .
But because people want him to be Johns 2.0 then he’s a failure . But he’s not . To me he’s Matt Orford 2.0 . And that’s a very very good halfback .

Ok - included in your stats is that he was our best player in 2018 and 2019.
You also said we had “garbage teams” those years so maybe he didn’t have much to beat?
Doesn’t matter anyway as your not going to change your opinion when you actually think he is “in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game. PS I have never said he hasn’t ever played well or done anything since his debut.
His problem is consistency.
You, however, don’t care if he turns out a dud or not as long as he’s a local junior.

A lot assumptions there buddy . No grounding in fact anywhere . The backline in 18 and 19 had at one point ;
Thompson nofa , Fonua , chee kam and Watene zlezniak . That’s what we were trodding out , at times .
And he cam top 5 in try assists both years , and repeat sets . That I think speaks for itself . Your comment about me and him being a dud is just dribble . Of course I care , I just know he’s a good footballer already , with potential to be great . But whatever , you believe what you want . I’m commenting on all the hate , which is the only reason I’m replying . Once again , you should try loyalty once in awhile instead of “what about me” , might make you actually like the team you support.

Here you go putting words in my mouth again to try and help your argument.
Once again I don’t hate Brooks- and I’m sure everybody else who thinks he isn’t our answer at half don’t hate him either.
In fact by noting our backline in 18/19 you actually proved my point about him not having much opposition in the team.
As for loyalty?
I’ve been loyal to this club since I was born.
I want what’s best to make the team winners.
You just stick to your line about Brooks being Mr Wonderful.
For the sake of the team I have always remained loyal to I hope he is.
If not then it’s been long enough ....the chop.
Enoughfrom me.

How did I prove your point ? It’s literally the worst backline I can remember on any team in recent memory , and he used that to produce a high volume in tries and assists . How am I putting words in your mouth ? If you don’t like / rate the players you support , and are constantly calling for thier heads how is that loyalty , to anything other than yourself ? It’s not even loyal to the club. I rarely bag our players other than guys like Matto and Moses , who clearly were in it for themselves , even benji in the end of last year . I’m loyal to guys who drive culture and the tigers spirit , as the best thing about 05 is the core of that team , were mostly tigers juniors and old heads , like O’Neil and Skando . It made it all the more special , to win that way . And it’s with this in mind that I stay loyal to the guys who stuck it out , through the last 5 years and all the crap we have put ourselves through . I want them to win , as much as I want the tigers to win . The guys like Nofa and Brooks , even the Chee Kam types who came across and developed a love for the joint . There’s a certain magic to that. If that means I’m nepotistic to our players and juniors , well whatever , I wouldn’t be the first person in rugby league to show nepotism. But I truely believe it’s not misplaced faith . And when we do win the comp , with juniors like Brooks, Nofa , AD , Liddle , in the team , it will be all the more rewarding .

Either you don’t get what people say or just don’t want to.
Not worth the effort.
For the last time I hope he goes ok for everyone’s sake.

Ive said it before ck,now the club icon has gone Brooks will come to his own and have a very,very good year...and I have knocked him many times before,until I seen the damage Benji had done to Lukes confidence...

Hope you’re right TT.
If he doesn’t play well consistently it will make it a lot harder us.
Just hope nothing, or no one else, rears their head to affect his ‘confidence’.

 

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The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

You sure do love Brooksy.

The problem with brooks is there is no one at the club coming through to put pressure on him so doesn’t matter how he plays he won’t be dropped

Madge dropped him to the bench last year,,,sort of counters your aguement....

There wasn’t a suitable halfback replacement as backup. Argument stands.

Who are you expecting as a backup halfback? Joey Johns?

We had both and Reynolds, probably the most experienced backup halves in the comp.

That’s why brooks never gets dropped completely out of the side not on the bench out of the side because there is no halfback coming through to put pressure on him so it doesn’t matter how he plays


We didnt have a $900K ex SOO half in reggies?


He was never gunna play madge didn’t like him I would of played him I may get abused but brooks is a myth don’t rate him

Then you sir know nothing about football , if you think Josh Reynolds in 2020 was at any point better than Brooks , even with his dismal play.

Well seriously how good do u think brooks was in 2020 Rubbish and he’s been the halfback what for probably 7/8 years he played second fiddle to benji and he played second fiddle to Moses he hasn’t got it in him to lead us round the field

Except the two years where he was player of the year right ? And won dally m halfback of the year. His issue isn’t that he can’t control the team , it’s how much he defers when others try to take over the team .
Your straw man argument is just garbage . I’m sick of reading it . It’s always the same crap . Where you conveniently leave out details which contradict and undermine everything your saying .
By the way , I said Luke was garbage last year . Because for the first 3/4 of the season he was . The moment it was obvious it was the Benji Marshall retirement tour , and not about winning , we saw him return to something resembling the player he is . His issue last year was deferring to a guy , who was all about himself , and honestly I don’t rate Grant anywhere near as high as everyone else . He undermines his halfbacks . It’s the same stuff everyone was saying around the time we got rid of Robbie first time around .
I don’t get baffled with “try assists” , and glory stats . I notice the time he goes for the big play , when the half is screaming for the ball on the other side , because the fullback is caught in the play the ball , and is clearly trying to put a grubber in behind the line . That’s the stuff I notice. Or the time the half , and the backline is set up for a raid , and the ball goes short side to his majesty for a nothing play , that kills all momentum .
In 2021 you don’t win football games by the times you do score, you win them by what you do with the ball 99% of the time you don’t . Of which both Brooks and Marshall didn’t do last year .

Think about it . If we score 4 try’s a game for 20-24 points per game . That’s 4 tackles out of say 40 sets of six . That’s 240 tackles with 4 scoring plays , that’s around 99% of the time you don’t score a try . So if scoring points is that hard , it’s stands to reason , that playing selfishly , and going for low percentage play has a huge effect on the game .

Y do love Brooksy.

And you guys sure do dislike him. Someone’s got to zig to the hive mind zag . Hey we all have our islands to die on . I think brooks can be a top 3 half in the game , abs I think Liddle / Simpkin will lead to more wins than we ever would with grant . I’m loyal to tigers juniors like Brooks , Nofa , seyfarth etc . I’d much rather support Tigers players than the Cleary led , mercenaries we have watched the last 4 years . Loyalty , some of you should try it some time .

It has nothing to do with anybody disliking him.
It has to do with him not performing at a consistent level.
You're loyal to him because you're loyal to Tigers juniors?
Who do you support in there aren't any in first grade?
And are you loyal to the rest of the 'mercenaries' who make up the team and run out in our colours every week?
James Tamou says hi.
I'm sure most people are loyal to the club regardless who runs out for us - INCLUDING Brooks.
However, that doesn't mean myself, and others, can't have an opinion that he's been wasting our time and we would be better off with someone else.
Every year I hope he'll fire up... if he doesn't again this year it's better for the club to replace him... loyalty or not.

What ? I didn’t criticise you! I’m defending a guy , and validated my reasons with educated reasoning, and arguments to support my point . All footballers are inconsistent , especially halves not named Cooper Cronk . Even the great Andrew Johns had years where he was pretty average .
I said he was garbage last year . And yes I don’t support a team of mercenaries , which we trodden out the last few years . Tamou is hardly a mercenary , he’s a guy brought in to drive culture and lift standards. That’s not what a mercenary is.
He played extremely well in garbage teams in 18 and 19 . And I stated what I think happens in 20. .
We have a good team this year and I think he will lead us . I’m not going to death ride a guy before a ball is kicked , especially one who has already proved he can be in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game .
Get behind the guy !! All I read is , Garner is crap , Brooks is crap , Talau is too slow , Mika is a pillow , Liddle isn’t a first grader , Plodder This , Plodder that . and so on it goes .

And guys like Brooks and Nofa who chose to stay during the ship abandonment , have my loyalty because they chose to stay loyal . Even Jacob Liddle , the dogs sniffed hard for him last contract negotiations, and he stayed . I put a premium on that. Because I think the talent will come and so will the reward .

Seriously?
Where did I say you criticised me?
You keep going around in circles with your self proclaimed ‘ educated reasoning ‘ to regurgitate the same points.
Simple fact is he has to perform THIS YEAR.
Let’s hope for all our sakes he can.

I’m not going around in circles at all . Repeating myself maybe . But going around in circles implies I’m twisted in some knot , which hasn’t happened. I’ve stated facts. If you’re saying he was garbage last year and we can’t have that again . Well that’s a given I thought ?
If your saying he’s never played well , and he’s done nothing since he debuted . Then I call bull crap to that , and it’s a flat out lie .
They’re 2 separate issues , but apparently you can’t acknowledge one , without defending the other. He’s a gun footballer , who had a down year after 2 very good ones . That’s the truth .
But because people want him to be Johns 2.0 then he’s a failure . But he’s not . To me he’s Matt Orford 2.0 . And that’s a very very good halfback .

Ok - included in your stats is that he was our best player in 2018 and 2019.
You also said we had “garbage teams” those years so maybe he didn’t have much to beat?
Doesn’t matter anyway as your not going to change your opinion when you actually think he is “in the conversation for one of the best halves in the game. PS I have never said he hasn’t ever played well or done anything since his debut.
His problem is consistency.
You, however, don’t care if he turns out a dud or not as long as he’s a local junior.

A lot assumptions there buddy . No grounding in fact anywhere . The backline in 18 and 19 had at one point ;
Thompson nofa , Fonua , chee kam and Watene zlezniak . That’s what we were trodding out , at times .
And he cam top 5 in try assists both years , and repeat sets . That I think speaks for itself . Your comment about me and him being a dud is just dribble . Of course I care , I just know he’s a good footballer already , with potential to be great . But whatever , you believe what you want . I’m commenting on all the hate , which is the only reason I’m replying . Once again , you should try loyalty once in awhile instead of “what about me” , might make you actually like the team you support.

Here you go putting words in my mouth again to try and help your argument.
Once again I don’t hate Brooks- and I’m sure everybody else who thinks he isn’t our answer at half don’t hate him either.
In fact by noting our backline in 18/19 you actually proved my point about him not having much opposition in the team.
As for loyalty?
I’ve been loyal to this club since I was born.
I want what’s best to make the team winners.
You just stick to your line about Brooks being Mr Wonderful.
For the sake of the team I have always remained loyal to I hope he is.
If not then it’s been long enough ....the chop.
Enoughfrom me.

How did I prove your point ? It’s literally the worst backline I can remember on any team in recent memory , and he used that to produce a high volume in tries and assists . How am I putting words in your mouth ? If you don’t like / rate the players you support , and are constantly calling for thier heads how is that loyalty , to anything other than yourself ? It’s not even loyal to the club. I rarely bag our players other than guys like Matto and Moses , who clearly were in it for themselves , even benji in the end of last year . I’m loyal to guys who drive culture and the tigers spirit , as the best thing about 05 is the core of that team , were mostly tigers juniors and old heads , like O’Neil and Skando . It made it all the more special , to win that way . And it’s with this in mind that I stay loyal to the guys who stuck it out , through the last 5 years and all the crap we have put ourselves through . I want them to win , as much as I want the tigers to win . The guys like Nofa and Brooks , even the Chee Kam types who came across and developed a love for the joint . There’s a certain magic to that. If that means I’m nepotistic to our players and juniors , well whatever , I wouldn’t be the first person in rugby league to show nepotism. But I truely believe it’s not misplaced faith . And when we do win the comp , with juniors like Brooks, Nofa , AD , Liddle , in the team , it will be all the more rewarding .

Either you don’t get what people say or just don’t want to.
Not worth the effort.
For the last time I hope he goes ok for everyone’s sake.no

No mate you don’t get it . I ? get the point about brooks needing to lift . And I agree .
I’m not railing against that. I’m railing against the Brooks is crap , our players suck , woe is me garbage I read on here . I never reply to proper , constructive criticism, other than to add to that’s conversation.I’d have replied in the Garner thread , but I honestly couldn’t be bothered , and others are fighting that fight . There’s an intrinsic disloyalty , and “what have you done for me lately” , kind of narcissism , where many view the players as lambs to be thrown to the slaughter . Or chess pieces on a board. For me Loyalty begets loyalty . These guys who struggle through the worst of times , and played their best with inferior players around them , and put us in 9th when we had no business not coming last ,get a long leash , when the inevitable comes that their form drops . It’s not that I’m blindly showing loyalty as we fall off a cliff . But rather , I’m trusting that guys like brooks will steer us away from that cliff , and to a promised land .

I guess it’s what virtues you value . And I put a premium on guys who truely buy into a culture , and want to dig in with the boys around them . I don’t want guys , in it for themselves , who worry about their brand etc . Even someone like Lattrell I’ve got a lot of respect for , as he realised that the culture he wanted to buy into was the Souths one , and he took less money to do so . And I know many other guys haven’t forgotten on here , the guys who stuck it out and didn’t abandon ship . I don’t have a short memory .
That’s all I’m going to say about it . If you don’t understand the difference between what your saying and what I’m saying , and that they are 2 separate issues , and that I actually agree with your point , than I don’t know how else to explain myself in written text .

 

[bigsiro]

I’m going to say it.

If you think Brooks belongs in this team anymore you don’t want the best for Tigers.

 

[supercoach]

He was below his last years poor form

 

[hugh1954]

He was below his last years poor form

Read page one of this thread , has anything changed?

 

[turkeytiger03]

I’m going to say it.

If you think Brooks belongs in this team anymore you don’t want the best for Tigers.

Platform was set for him today and still puts up that rubbish. Will be glad AD is back for rd2 but he is still our general field kicker. And that doesn’t impress me much at all. He stands to flat all the time and gets in front of the dummy .... I could go on and on and on!!!!

 

[Rugba]

Bloody benji and Farah stifling brooks , they didn’t let him run the team today ....

 

[Bula]

Brooks is clothes drier lint.