Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[TigerBlood93]

I’m sick of sacking coaches every few years, but the question is if the rumours are true, this is not a good thing for us.

If Tamou a veteran of the game who’s played for his country, state and over 250games and only just come to our club has the need to chat to the coach at half time because the team and him believe the game plan isn’t working. Gets punished for it aswell... This only sounds like the rumours we heard last year about egg shells, bad communication and lost the room.. somethings up!

Why was tamou hooked after just 25ish mins.. Madge was coy about it during the post game interview.

Secondly benji hinted at similar things, Josh aloia also said stuff happened Behind the scenes, also contracts being offered but not being registered for McIntyre.

Madge is the kiwi coach and somehow can’t recruit any top stars? Watching the Shaun Johnson interview it’s clear players talk to other players about the coach. What are players saying about our coach? We haven’t signed anyone major and we have premiership winning coach.

Madge is supposed to be a defence coach but somehow our last 12ish games we have let in over 20 points.. why do we have no line speed this early in the comp? The players shouldn’t be fatigued already. We know Madge is old school do we think he can adapt to what is relevant now days? You can’t treat every player the same, the game has changed in regards to rules. Old techniques don’t work and you need to adapt? Is madges game plan outdated?
Does Madge train them too hard during the week that by game day the boys aren’t 100% up for it. (Sure seems that way)

If we get rid of Madge is there anyone better on the market?
( we put a clause in the contract funnily enough just incase there was a mutiny)

Maybe we can hire someone like Morris to work between the coach and players.. will be hard if Madge is as hard nosed as reported

Long read I know but at the end of the day, I don’t want this to stall us anymore, I don’t want to lose players because of it. Talau, Simpkin Blor, Laurie, Tuki. If it’s the players or the coac, I choose the players.

 

[TigerWest]

the rumour going round is Tamou confronted Madge in dressing room at half time about how wrong the game plan was and they had a blow up, hence why Tamou didnt play any of the 2nd half

Yeah saw that posted on Facebook. Hate these rumours.

I can't see how any sort of plan involved the players not making tackles.

Interesting, none of the main journo's have got on to it, how legit is facebook with this stuff?

Seriously asking if Facebook is legit??????

Yes I am, I have never used it.

 

[The_Patriot]

Just having a think about our problems I'd suggest the following issues:

1. Liddle and Brooks stifle attack. As our main organisers they often look a little lost. You see them change direction, stop halfway and cause errors in other players with high risk thoughtless options. They should be building our sets, but there doesn't seem to be a sense of where they want to go. It is noticeable the different in class between Farah, Grant and Marshall to these two now that they are gone. In contrast, you watch Doueihi and even though he sometimes gets stuck with the ball he's pretty smooth and simple in his play and players around him play off him well.

2. Edge defenders aren't good. Joe O, in his first game out there looked a little lost, Garner before him hasn't been good and on the other side Luciano and Joey got themselves confused. This is magnified by issue three.

3. Just tackling. We suck at it. You see the way Penrith hold a man up and get three or four in the tackle which allows for good line speed and pressure, it's just really hard to match. We get dominated in the tackle with our markers struggling to get square and this leads to quick play the balls and lots of one on one tackles, which compounds our problems. Because we can't stop momentum there's very little pressure on the opposition and a lot of strain on us. You see this particularly on our own line, where simple passes after quick play the balls lead to easy tries and players are able to offload because we're on the backfoot. This all leads to lacklustre effort in attack as well.

Above everything else we need to tackle better. We have never been good at this as a club. 20 years and we've never been a strong tackling team.

I don't think the issue is the coach, I'm just trying to identify what the issues actually are.


I think you are on the money.

For me I'd start with dropping Liddle. All attack stems from DH and he has been abysmal. See what comes from that.

Who's responsibility is it to make sure forwards aren't one out? This is a serious question. To me it's patterns at training. They shouldn't be winging it on the field, surely?


A big part of the forwards play is confidence. They have to know where they are running and that they are going to get good ball.

There was one time in the second half, Liddle picks up from DH on the left, just inside our half and from memory it was Joffa running hard onto it. Liddle picked the ball up, took a few slow steps, waited and gave it to Joffa about a 1m before he got to the defence and he was BELTED. Did well to hang onto the ball. Couldnt have planned it bettter to get one of your forwards smashed. It was staggering.

I think you’re talking about Twal, unless there was one with Joffa that I missed

Twal was steaming onto the ball, liddle takes two steps and a shimmy, which causes twal to stutter & second guess his run. Liddle follows through and throws a low percentage forward pass


No it wasnt that one. It wasnt a forward pass, it was a hospital pass. Liddle passing left to right, stood up, a few slow steps for no purpose, waited, waited, gave it to (I think) Joffa immediately before he got belted.

I was thinking about this today..You know what we also miss a 9 that has some semblance of a long kicking game out of dummy half..Jacob never has not sure on Simpkin but haven't seen it in reggies yet..doesn't have to be dominate because as it is now you know a kick is only comming from the halves..

So you are saying we miss Robbie Farah lol

 

[twentyforty]

I’m sick of sacking coaches every few years, but the question is if the rumours are true, this is not a good thing for us.

If Tamou a veteran of the game who’s played for his country, state and over 250games and only just come to our club has the need to chat to the coach at half time because the team and him believe the game plan isn’t working. Gets punished for it aswell... This only sounds like the rumours we heard last year about egg shells, bad communication and lost the room.. somethings up!

Why was tamou hooked after just 25ish mins.. Madge was coy about it during the post game interview.

Secondly benji hinted at similar things, Josh aloia also said stuff happened Behind the scenes, also contracts being offered but not being registered for McIntyre.

Madge is the kiwi coach and somehow can’t recruit any top stars? Watching the Shaun Johnson interview it’s clear players talk to other players about the coach. What are players saying about our coach? We haven’t signed anyone major and we have premiership winning coach.

Madge is supposed to be a defence coach but somehow our last 12ish games we have let in over 20 points.. why do we have no line speed this early in the comp? The players shouldn’t be fatigued already. We know Madge is old school do we think he can adapt to what is relevant now days? You can’t treat every player the same, the game has changed in regards to rules. Old techniques don’t work and you need to adapt? Is madges game plan outdated?
Does Madge train them too hard during the week that by game day the boys aren’t 100% up for it. (Sure seems that way)

if we get rid of Madge is there anyone better on the market?
( we put a clause in the contract funnily enough just incase there was a mutiny)

Maybe we can hire someone like Morris to work between the coach and players.. will be hard if Madge is as hard nosed as reported

Long read I know but at the end of the day, I don’t want this to stall us anymore, I don’t want to lose players because of it. Talau, Simpkin Blor, Laurie, Tuki. If it’s the players or the coac, I choose the playe

“if we get rid of Madge is there anyone better on the market?
( we put a clause in the contract funnily enough just incase there was a mutiny) “

Are the players also aware of this?

 

[Bigscreentv]

Just had the source confirm that Madge has lost the senior players.

The senior players? BJ, Packer, Mbye? They're all playing terribly. Tamou and Brooks have been ok in my eyes, but plenty are unimpressed.

Maybe there's a reason the senior players have been lost.

It's similar to when a couple of posters were using Reynolds as a source for players being offside with the coach, of course he was.

Well, the source isn't a player.

From what I understand it's not like there's going to be a revolt or anything, it's just that it's not cohesive at the moment due to inconsistencies in communications etc. Some of the older players have questioned things and it wasn't met with open arms. Tbh, it doesn't look like much has worked so far, so questioning the approach is probably reasonable thing to do. Problem is that players weren't really heard out and told to shut it essentially.

Once again, I'm just repeating something I heard. Could be bollocks/biased, but I know the person well and trust them. I'm hoping this can be worked through, however having been involved in teams, these things are often quite difficult to resolve if parties involved are stubborn.

Honestly you keep qualifying your comments, I'm confused. First you couldn't verify your source, then they contacted you and it's 100%, now you are back to saying it could be complete rubbish.

Well, what I'm trying to say is that I wasn't there so I can't be 100% sure. There's just no reason to make it up and there's no agenda from the person.

Keep in mind I'm not trying to create drama, just asked to try and work out what the problem is, as there clearly is one.

I'm also aware that losing dressing rooms can be a tough place to be in, so heated things are said and done.

Point is, there's lots to consider.

Anyways, I won't say anymore. As you say, I can't verify the source so it's useless. I dont want to get anyone in trouble.

Let's see how the next couple of weeks play out. Hopefully they turn it around with a couple of wind and all will be forgotten.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I’m sick of sacking coaches every few years, but the question is if the rumours are true, this is not a good thing for us.

If Tamou a veteran of the game who’s played for his country, state and over 250games and only just come to our club has the need to chat to the coach at half time because the team and him believe the game plan isn’t working. Gets punished for it aswell... This only sounds like the rumours we heard last year about egg shells, bad communication and lost the room.. somethings up!

Why was tamou hooked after just 25ish mins.. Madge was coy about it during the post game interview.

Secondly benji hinted at similar things, Josh aloia also said stuff happened Behind the scenes, also contracts being offered but not being registered for McIntyre.

Madge is the kiwi coach and somehow can’t recruit any top stars? Watching the Shaun Johnson interview it’s clear players talk to other players about the coach. What are players saying about our coach? We haven’t signed anyone major and we have premiership winning coach.

Madge is supposed to be a defence coach but somehow our last 12ish games we have let in over 20 points.. why do we have no line speed this early in the comp? The players shouldn’t be fatigued already. We know Madge is old school do we think he can adapt to what is relevant now days? You can’t treat every player the same, the game has changed in regards to rules. Old techniques don’t work and you need to adapt? Is madges game plan outdated?
Does Madge train them too hard during the week that by game day the boys aren’t 100% up for it. (Sure seems that way)

if we get rid of Madge is there anyone better on the market?
( we put a clause in the contract funnily enough just incase there was a mutiny)

Maybe we can hire someone like Morris to work between the coach and players.. will be hard if Madge is as hard nosed as reported

Long read I know but at the end of the day, I don’t want this to stall us anymore, I don’t want to lose players because of it. Talau, Simpkin Blor, Laurie, Tuki. If it’s the players or the coac, I choose the playe

“if we get rid of Madge is there anyone better on the market?
( we put a clause in the contract funnily enough just incase there was a mutiny) “

Are the players also aware of this?

Seems prudent to have the clause inserted. Just in case or prior knowledge of issue?

 

[twentyforty]

I’m sick of sacking coaches every few years, but the question is if the rumours are true, this is not a good thing for us.

If Tamou a veteran of the game who’s played for his country, state and over 250games and only just come to our club has the need to chat to the coach at half time because the team and him believe the game plan isn’t working. Gets punished for it aswell... This only sounds like the rumours we heard last year about egg shells, bad communication and lost the room.. somethings up!

Why was tamou hooked after just 25ish mins.. Madge was coy about it during the post game interview.

Secondly benji hinted at similar things, Josh aloia also said stuff happened Behind the scenes, also contracts being offered but not being registered for McIntyre.

Madge is the kiwi coach and somehow can’t recruit any top stars? Watching the Shaun Johnson interview it’s clear players talk to other players about the coach. What are players saying about our coach? We haven’t signed anyone major and we have premiership winning coach.

Madge is supposed to be a defence coach but somehow our last 12ish games we have let in over 20 points.. why do we have no line speed this early in the comp? The players shouldn’t be fatigued already. We know Madge is old school do we think he can adapt to what is relevant now days? You can’t treat every player the same, the game has changed in regards to rules. Old techniques don’t work and you need to adapt? Is madges game plan outdated?
Does Madge train them too hard during the week that by game day the boys aren’t 100% up for it. (Sure seems that way)

if we get rid of Madge is there anyone better on the market?
( we put a clause in the contract funnily enough just incase there was a mutiny)

Maybe we can hire someone like Morris to work between the coach and players.. will be hard if Madge is as hard nosed as reported

Long read I know but at the end of the day, I don’t want this to stall us anymore, I don’t want to lose players because of it. Talau, Simpkin Blor, Laurie, Tuki. If it’s the players or the coac, I choose the playe

“if we get rid of Madge is there anyone better on the market?
( we put a clause in the contract funnily enough just incase there was a mutiny) “

Are the players also aware of this?

Seems prudent to have the clause inserted. Just in case or prior knowledge of issue?

It may be prudent to include such a clause, but it is absolute insanity to make it known to the players, or anyone else for that matter. These boofheads haven’t learnt anything from past mistakes.

 

[twentyforty]

I’m sick of sacking coaches every few years, but the question is if the rumours are true, this is not a good thing for us.

If Tamou a veteran of the game who’s played for his country, state and over 250games and only just come to our club has the need to chat to the coach at half time because the team and him believe the game plan isn’t working. Gets punished for it aswell... This only sounds like the rumours we heard last year about egg shells, bad communication and lost the room.. somethings up!

Why was tamou hooked after just 25ish mins.. Madge was coy about it during the post game interview.

Secondly benji hinted at similar things, Josh aloia also said stuff happened Behind the scenes, also contracts being offered but not being registered for McIntyre.

Madge is the kiwi coach and somehow can’t recruit any top stars? Watching the Shaun Johnson interview it’s clear players talk to other players about the coach. What are players saying about our coach? We haven’t signed anyone major and we have premiership winning coach.

Madge is supposed to be a defence coach but somehow our last 12ish games we have let in over 20 points.. why do we have no line speed this early in the comp? The players shouldn’t be fatigued already. We know Madge is old school do we think he can adapt to what is relevant now days? You can’t treat every player the same, the game has changed in regards to rules. Old techniques don’t work and you need to adapt? Is madges game plan outdated?
Does Madge train them too hard during the week that by game day the boys aren’t 100% up for it. (Sure seems that way)

if we get rid of Madge is there anyone better on the market?
( we put a clause in the contract funnily enough just incase there was a mutiny)

Maybe we can hire someone like Morris to work between the coach and players.. will be hard if Madge is as hard nosed as reported

Long read I know but at the end of the day, I don’t want this to stall us anymore, I don’t want to lose players because of it. Talau, Simpkin Blor, Laurie, Tuki. If it’s the players or the coac, I choose the playe

“if we get rid of Madge is there anyone better on the market?
( we put a clause in the contract funnily enough just incase there was a mutiny) “

Are the players also aware of this?

Seems prudent to have the clause inserted. Just in case or prior knowledge of issue?

It may be prudent to include such a clause, but it is absolute insanity to make it known to the players, or anyone else for that matter. These boofheads haven’t learnt anything from past mistakes.

Is it possible there is a white ant or two on the board?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

the rumour going round is Tamou confronted Madge in dressing room at half time about how wrong the game plan was and they had a blow up, hence why Tamou didnt play any of the 2nd half

Ironic we brought in a leader and allegedly that leader stood up for his players.

Contrast that to what was been reported in the SMH article.

Well, I don't think he's the type to take criticism well. Once again, an old school coach that doesn't work collaboratively. His way or the highway.

Sheens could be tough, remember Simona and that flick pass. But, Sheens was a communicator and could get his message across in a positive manner. I wish he was back.

Ah the day when 30% finals appearances becomes acceptable.

What’s the percentage now?

 

[mikey]

John Morris has gone well at the Sharks under difficult circumstances. He also had a lot of involvement in the very successful pathways at the Sharks. Listen to him at his press conferences and he communicates well and has some history at WTs under Sheens.

Are you thinking a Morris/Sheens combo?

Yes I am.

I don't think Sheens is the answer.

We can try, and if that's not the answer maybe we can give Mick Potter a go?

Jason Taylor perhaps after Mick if that doesn't work

Then Pearcie, and when that doesn't work - let's get Baa Baa. Going back to the past - there is no such thing as Camelot and a Round Table.

 

[mikey]

the rumour going round is Tamou confronted Madge in dressing room at half time about how wrong the game plan was and they had a blow up, hence why Tamou didnt play any of the 2nd half

Ironic we brought in a leader and allegedly that leader stood up for his players.

Contrast that to what was been reported in the SMH article.

Well, I don't think he's the type to take criticism well. Once again, an old school coach that doesn't work collaboratively. His way or the highway.

Sheens could be tough, remember Simona and that flick pass. But, Sheens was a communicator and could get his message across in a positive manner. I wish he was back.

Ah the day when 30% finals appearances becomes acceptable.


What’s the percentage now?

Just over 14 percent - happy days.

 

[twentyforty]

14. Wests Tigers (12)
Tough watch against the Cowboys. Following a great comeback last week in a game they should have won, the Tigers had everything to play for at home as they paid tribute to Tommy Raudonikis. But they just didn't come out of the sheds against a team that has struggled. Unfortunately, there seem to be some deeper issues.- Soward

Soward is just saying what we all know.
Can’t wait for the 5 part documentary. Naturally it won’t drill into the “deeper issues” but just the same, we could all do with a good laugh.

 

[tony soprano]

Definitely out coached by Payten.

Payten two from 2

 

[Furious1]

Interesting to read about the training intensity. I'm all for it, but apart from Round 1 against the Raiders i have made comment to my family every week that we look gassed early in the games. It stands out like dogs balls. We always hear about the the ruthless off-season stuff and expect to see a really fit side turned out in the premiership, so why do they always look so tired so early in games? It is certainly reflected in line speed and attack.

 

[Tigrrs]

Interesting to read about the training intensity. I'm all for it, but apart from Round 1 against the Raiders i have made comment to my family every week that we look gassed early in the games. It stands out like dogs balls. We always hear about the the ruthless off-season stuff and expect to see a really fit side turned out in the premiership, so why do they always look so tired so early in games? It is certainly reflected in line speed and attack.

I think it is an attitude thing missing

 

[Bigscreentv]

Interesting to read about the training intensity. I'm all for it, but apart from Round 1 against the Raiders i have made comment to my family every week that we look gassed early in the games. It stands out like dogs balls. We always hear about the the ruthless off-season stuff and expect to see a really fit side turned out in the premiership, so why do they always look so tired so early in games? It is certainly reflected in line speed and attack.

I think it is an attitude thing missing

By all accounts, Madge is an intense character - my guess is that can be exhausting after a while.

 

[Tigrrs]

There is a lot to unpack from Sunday’s defeat. Unfortunately Madge good guy that he is, is not the right coach. Tigers need a Wayne Bennett or Bellamy at any price

 

[Tigrrs]

Interesting to read about the training intensity. I'm all for it, but apart from Round 1 against the Raiders i have made comment to my family every week that we look gassed early in the games. It stands out like dogs balls. We always hear about the the ruthless off-season stuff and expect to see a really fit side turned out in the premiership, so why do they always look so tired so early in games? It is certainly reflected in line speed and attack.

I think it is an attitude thing missing

By all accounts, Madge is an intense character - my guess is that can be exhausting after a while.

100% and they don’t look like a team enjoying their footy

 

[Telltails]

Does anyone really know that our club trains harder than anyone else or is that just an urban myth that follows Maguire now where ever he goes?

 

[hobbo1]

Interesting to read about the training intensity. I'm all for it, but apart from Round 1 against the Raiders i have made comment to my family every week that we look gassed early in the games. It stands out like dogs balls. We always hear about the the ruthless off-season stuff and expect to see a really fit side turned out in the premiership, so why do they always look so tired so early in games? It is certainly reflected in line speed and attack.

Overworked and underpaid
Happens to us also 😂