Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[avocadoontoast]

Lozza on the Big Sports Breaky has just said that the Tigers would be nuts to let Madge go!

Who is the football brain in the organisation if he’s gone?

Sheens? Hartigan? Kimmorley?

 

[cochise]

Lozza on the Big Sports Breaky has just said that the Tigers would be nuts to let Madge go!

They are friends

 

[cochise]

@Tiger5150 Yeah thats how it works... but if the football department hasnt done the right job... then at what point do the people who employed them get made accountable....

I dont know of any organisation where the CEO gets to say "that is not my job, that is someone else's job".

The buck stops with the CEO.

He appoints and recommends who makes up the football department. Yes if the football department stuff up they should go but Justin has been there for 6 years and we have not made the finals since... at some point we need a CEO who is better at making recommendations and decisions around who should staff the Football Department.

Imagine Apple bringing out a Phone that performed at 45% (that's what 9th looks like on the ladder) for 6 years straight. Yeah sure the CEO can say it was the technical department who is led by the Chief Technology Officer - but if the CEO appointed him, and then continued to appoint others, and the problem was never fixed because the Technology department could'nt get it right.... then the CEO would be fired for incompetence in the job if it continued.

For Lee to say that the performance of the team is not up to the CEO is bullocks. He appoints the Football Department. He is the CEO of a FOOTBALL TEAM! He needs some competence in being able to assess the quality of candidates that he recommends.

The same as Madge saying I'm not responsible for defence because i employed a "defense coach" - its his job.

Yeah well if you sack 3 of them and still can't fix the problem - maybe your judgement on defense coaches sucks. Period.

Too many people on here are used to mediocrity and blame shifting based on the corporate spin our back office vomits.

And that is why we are perennial losers. We have people in all positions within the org that get lapped by other teams. Our back office probably is a bottom 4 team to be fair, and that's why we are there on the ladder.

Well written and well argued. I agree that Pascoe needs to be reviewed (like anyone) but that is a separate review process. He is appointed by the board and his contract is their responsibility. As CEO the football department IS his responsibility as you say and accordingly he should review them.

It’s all very straightforward business practice and it’s only hatred of the organization that seems to be deflecting.

Pascoe would be reviewed at least annually.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Lozza on the Big Sports Breaky has just said that the Tigers would be nuts to let Madge go!

Who is the football brain in the organisation if he’s gone?

Sheens? Hartigan? Kimmorley?

Are you not available?

If they seek my wisdom I’ll be happy to oblige.

 

[cochise]

Lozza on the Big Sports Breaky has just said that the Tigers would be nuts to let Madge go!

Who is the football brain in the organisation if he’s gone?

Sheens? Hartigan? Kimmorley?

Are you not available?

If they seek my wisdom I’ll be happy to oblige.

Oh no are we that desperate 😛

 

[tony soprano]

@Tiger5150 Yeah thats how it works... but if the football department hasnt done the right job... then at what point do the people who employed them get made accountable....

I dont know of any organisation where the CEO gets to say "that is not my job, that is someone else's job".

The buck stops with the CEO.

He appoints and recommends who makes up the football department. Yes if the football department stuff up they should go but Justin has been there for 6 years and we have not made the finals since... at some point we need a CEO who is better at making recommendations and decisions around who should staff the Football Department.

Imagine Apple bringing out a Phone that performed at 45% (that's what 9th looks like on the ladder) for 6 years straight. Yeah sure the CEO can say it was the technical department who is led by the Chief Technology Officer - but if the CEO appointed him, and then continued to appoint others, and the problem was never fixed because the Technology department could'nt get it right.... then the CEO would be fired for incompetence in the job if it continued.

For Lee to say that the performance of the team is not up to the CEO is bullocks. He appoints the Football Department. He is the CEO of a FOOTBALL TEAM! He needs some competence in being able to assess the quality of candidates that he recommends.

The same as Madge saying I'm not responsible for defence because i employed a "defense coach" - its his job.

Yeah well if you sack 3 of them and still can't fix the problem - maybe your judgement on defense coaches sucks. Period.

Too many people on here are used to mediocrity and blame shifting based on the corporate spin our back office vomits.

And that is why we are perennial losers. We have people in all positions within the org that get lapped by other teams. Our back office probably is a bottom 4 team to be fair, and that's why we are there on the ladder.

Well written and well argued. I agree that Pascoe needs to be reviewed (like anyone) but that is a separate review process. He is appointed by the board and his contract is their responsibility. As CEO the football department IS his responsibility as you say and accordingly he should review them.

It’s all very straightforward business practice and it’s only hatred of the organization that seems to be deflecting.

Pascoe would be reviewed at least annually.

Yeah the balance sheet.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Lozza on the Big Sports Breaky has just said that the Tigers would be nuts to let Madge go!

Who is the football brain in the organisation if he’s gone?

Sheens? Hartigan? Kimmorley?

Are you not available?

If they seek my wisdom I’ll be happy to oblige.

Oh no are we that desperate 😛

I’ve just been Skyping with Sheensy and Johnny Morris. They want me there in November for some preseason drills.

 

[cochise]

@Tiger5150 Yeah thats how it works... but if the football department hasnt done the right job... then at what point do the people who employed them get made accountable....

I dont know of any organisation where the CEO gets to say "that is not my job, that is someone else's job".

The buck stops with the CEO.

He appoints and recommends who makes up the football department. Yes if the football department stuff up they should go but Justin has been there for 6 years and we have not made the finals since... at some point we need a CEO who is better at making recommendations and decisions around who should staff the Football Department.

Imagine Apple bringing out a Phone that performed at 45% (that's what 9th looks like on the ladder) for 6 years straight. Yeah sure the CEO can say it was the technical department who is led by the Chief Technology Officer - but if the CEO appointed him, and then continued to appoint others, and the problem was never fixed because the Technology department could'nt get it right.... then the CEO would be fired for incompetence in the job if it continued.

For Lee to say that the performance of the team is not up to the CEO is bullocks. He appoints the Football Department. He is the CEO of a FOOTBALL TEAM! He needs some competence in being able to assess the quality of candidates that he recommends.

The same as Madge saying I'm not responsible for defence because i employed a "defense coach" - its his job.

Yeah well if you sack 3 of them and still can't fix the problem - maybe your judgement on defense coaches sucks. Period.

Too many people on here are used to mediocrity and blame shifting based on the corporate spin our back office vomits.

And that is why we are perennial losers. We have people in all positions within the org that get lapped by other teams. Our back office probably is a bottom 4 team to be fair, and that's why we are there on the ladder.

Well written and well argued. I agree that Pascoe needs to be reviewed (like anyone) but that is a separate review process. He is appointed by the board and his contract is their responsibility. As CEO the football department IS his responsibility as you say and accordingly he should review them.

It’s all very straightforward business practice and it’s only hatred of the organization that seems to be deflecting.

Pascoe would be reviewed at least annually.

Yeah the balance sheet.

Possibly if that is the KPI he is measured by.

 

[cochise]

Lozza on the Big Sports Breaky has just said that the Tigers would be nuts to let Madge go!

Who is the football brain in the organisation if he’s gone?

Sheens? Hartigan? Kimmorley?

Are you not available?

If they seek my wisdom I’ll be happy to oblige.

Oh no are we that desperate 😛

I’ve just been Skyping with Sheensy and Johnny Morris. They want me there in November for some preseason drills.

You helping out at Souths?

 

[haberfield_tiger]

Poorly coached side put together by madge. Brooks being the centre piece of the team and was madge decision to pay him 950k. Just laughable. This is all on madge... I personally could not work under a guy that's so intense and every second word is a f bomb. Where are the smarts where are the stat's. Im happy for sheens to take over for a yr. Till we find the right guy and we can get our Mojo back. Brooks and pascoe out too and snoopy Collins and garner as well. Need people that are not just passionate but smart and can formulate a plan on and off the field.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Lozza on the Big Sports Breaky has just said that the Tigers would be nuts to let Madge go!

Who is the football brain in the organisation if he’s gone?

Sheens? Hartigan? Kimmorley?

Are you not available?

If they seek my wisdom I’ll be happy to oblige.

Oh no are we that desperate 😛

I’ve just been Skyping with Sheensy and Johnny Morris. They want me there in November for some preseason drills.

You helping out at Souths?

Johnny Morris isn’t going to South’s, he’s coming home. And he’s bringing Latrell and Cam Murray with him. Get excited Tigers fans.

 

[BAGNF05]

Poorly coached side put together by madge. Brooks being the centre piece of the team and was madge decision to pay him 950k. Just laughable. This is all on madge... I personally could not work under a guy that's so intense and every second word is a f bomb. Where are the smarts where are the stat's. Im happy for sheens to take over for a yr. Till we find the right guy and we can get our Mojo back. Brooks and pascoe out too and snoopy Collins and garner as well. Need people that are not just passionate but smart and can formulate a plan on and off the field.

At any level of footy, the stats and smarts happen through the week, game day is about mentally preparing to run through brick walls. Or in our case plodding through paper mache.

 

[yeahcaz]

Has he seriously not been sacked yet

 

[hank37w]

Good god the coaches fate in the hands of the leaders of the team - who are they Im still trying to figure that out. Players at other clubs must be killing themselves with laughter at the joke. We pay them for this.
And fans ask why we can't attract quality players. The next sucker better come with a mental health plan in order.

Don't you have confidence in Pascoe and Hartigan to filter the feedback? Pascoe's achievements with the Club's finances cannot be denied. He also brought Sheens back onboard. This is about WTs, not Maguire.

Not when it excuses their role in the clubs failure to get results - no. And clearly if they think that the leadership on the field this year is worth listening to - when from the outside looking in every one who knows anything about the game will tell you there wasn't any - then I have no confidence in anything they pretend to filter back.

Do you believe the Club is also receiving input from player managers? Perhaps Sheens has been in contact to remove roadblocks in players joining WTs?

I have no doubt that the reason why Sheens contacted all the player managers. But you can’t excuse Hartigan from that criticism.

But the one point your missing with the recruiting players is if they are professionals they want to strive to achieve something either on an individual level or on a group level. If regardless of a coach and the satisfaction of playing under one that individual can’t see a likelihood of a) being recognised as a rep player or b) being a part of club likely to win a premiership they aren’t going to want to sign with the club.
Even a 5 year contract wouldn’t entice the best player in the game to come here because those 5 years look dim.

Whomever is the coach, having Sheens in and around the Club imo will assist in removing the roadblock to recruiting NRL quality players.

Let’s hope it’s taken a long time to rekindle the Sheens relationship. Still don’t see any light for at least 5 years

We're used to waiting for success. Our younger players will have one more year of experience. I am optimistic Sheens will be on top of this like Ikin was for the Broncos.

I doubt it. How about they define the role first.
Ikins role is a lot clearer, he is essentially doing Hartigans role. If Sheens is going to do the Ikin / Hartigan role what is Hartigan going to do?

Pascoe described his role as a floater.

Needs more fibre in his diet I'd suggest.

Hopefully his return to the Tigers will be flushed with success.

 

[hank37w]

In a alternate universe where the club is well resourced with capable, media savvy staff:

Media: Hagipantelis, can you tell us about what's happening with the review. Is Madge under pressure.

Hagipantelis: We need to let the process take its course. Otherwise, no comment.


Instead, this guy gives interviews on SEN mid review.


This bloke needs to learn to shut his mouth.He puts himself and the club in a poor light with his continual statements.If anyone should be condemned for not getting players to the club it is him he turns it all into a media circus with his ill advised comments.

Give the guy a bit of credit, he did manage to lock up Noffo for 4 years.

 

[tony soprano]

Good god the coaches fate in the hands of the leaders of the team - who are they Im still trying to figure that out. Players at other clubs must be killing themselves with laughter at the joke. We pay them for this.
And fans ask why we can't attract quality players. The next sucker better come with a mental health plan in order.

Don't you have confidence in Pascoe and Hartigan to filter the feedback? Pascoe's achievements with the Club's finances cannot be denied. He also brought Sheens back onboard. This is about WTs, not Maguire.

Not when it excuses their role in the clubs failure to get results - no. And clearly if they think that the leadership on the field this year is worth listening to - when from the outside looking in every one who knows anything about the game will tell you there wasn't any - then I have no confidence in anything they pretend to filter back.

Do you believe the Club is also receiving input from player managers? Perhaps Sheens has been in contact to remove roadblocks in players joining WTs?

I have no doubt that the reason why Sheens contacted all the player managers. But you can’t excuse Hartigan from that criticism.

But the one point your missing with the recruiting players is if they are professionals they want to strive to achieve something either on an individual level or on a group level. If regardless of a coach and the satisfaction of playing under one that individual can’t see a likelihood of a) being recognised as a rep player or b) being a part of club likely to win a premiership they aren’t going to want to sign with the club.
Even a 5 year contract wouldn’t entice the best player in the game to come here because those 5 years look dim.

Whomever is the coach, having Sheens in and around the Club imo will assist in removing the roadblock to recruiting NRL quality players.

Let’s hope it’s taken a long time to rekindle the Sheens relationship. Still don’t see any light for at least 5 years

We're used to waiting for success. Our younger players will have one more year of experience. I am optimistic Sheens will be on top of this like Ikin was for the Broncos.

I doubt it. How about they define the role first.
Ikins role is a lot clearer, he is essentially doing Hartigans role. If Sheens is going to do the Ikin / Hartigan role what is Hartigan going to do?

Pascoe described his role as a floater.

Needs more fibre in his diet I'd suggest.

Hopefully his return to the Tigers will be flushed with success.

Sounds like they might keep him due to the economic pressures of covid. Thanks again covid.

 

[jadtiger]

Lozza on the Big Sports Breaky has just said that the Tigers would be nuts to let Madge go!

Who is the football brain in the organisation if he’s gone?

Sheens? Hartigan? Kimmorley?

Are you not available?

If they seek my wisdom I’ll be happy to oblige.

Oh no are we that desperate 😛

I’ve just been Skyping with Sheensy and Johnny Morris. They want me there in November for some preseason drills.

You helping out at Souths?

Johnny Morris isn’t going to South’s, he’s coming home. And he’s bringing Latrell and Cam Murray with him. Get excited Tigers fans.

It must have been BJs Oporto sponsorship deal going to Fatrell that was the clincher in getting him here

 

[Demps]


 

[jirskyr]

In a alternate universe where the club is well resourced with capable, media savvy staff:

Media: Hagipantelis, can you tell us about what's happening with the review. Is Madge under pressure.

Hagipantelis: We need to let the process take its course. Otherwise, no comment.


Instead, this guy gives interviews on SEN mid review.


This bloke needs to learn to shut his mouth.He puts himself and the club in a poor light with his continual statements.If anyone should be condemned for not getting players to the club it is him he turns it all into a media circus with his ill advised comments.

Give the guy a bit of credit, he did manage to lock up Noffo for 4 years.

I wish he locked up Noffo for 4 years.