Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[jirskyr]

Who is older wayne or sheens

What is this an old off?

Just intrigued lol... but if we want it to make it a competition then yes its a old off lol

3 rounds, 1st is age 2nd is coaching record and then 3rd they fight it out in ring

Believe it or not Wayne Bennett is only 10 months older than Sheens. He looks about 400, so I'm going to guess Sheens has dealt with the stress better over the decades.

 

[jirskyr]

I vote for rick ansley for next coach
Cause he will never give you up

He is never gonna let you down
He wont ever turn around or desert you

Close, but it was Rick Astley.

Not old enough to have experienced it first-hand?

 

[jirskyr]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.


God help us if Sheens has much influence in coaching.He was sacked here and had a low percentage win rate in ESL.As long as he stays where he is supposed to be in pathways he should be ok

**the two seasons prior to being sacked we finished top 4.** In UK his win record has been 58%.

So why was he sacked?
I honestly can’t remember, too long ago, I remember it wasn’t pleasant and most were pleased. I thought it was results driven?
I do think he’s been away from the NRL scene too long to offer much in the way of game day tactics, but he will still know what a good player looks like?

We were favs to win in 2012 (the year he was sacked) and when we didn't make the 8 he was ditched. He'd been here for 10 years and our expectations that year were to win it.

He's coached over 650 NRL games and has still been involved in the game since he left here. In many ways the way the game is currently played is a perfect match for his style of coaching. I think he'd be the sort of coach that could get us on the right track pretty quickly.

Are you now saying you want him as coach?

As i've previously mentioned, my preference would be to have someone like Gardiner/Ciraldo/Morris take over the head coaching role with Sheens sitting above as Coaching Director.

But surely you will agree that a coaching director will be the coach, while the poor coach will basically be the assistant but cop the blame when the directors plans go awry?

Not necessarily, depends on how it's structured. But if Sheens was made head coach i'd have no major issues with that either, provided a succession plan was in place.

We're at a place now where we make a change or just blindly hope that Madge can improve the team.

So blindly hoping Tim can is better?
You don’t think the players are letting the team down, at all?

When you're on a downward trajectory like us, sticking with the status quo and hoping for it to turn around is blind hope. Is it blind hope to think Sheens can do better? In his 3rd season with us he won a premiership, whilst in Madge's 3rd season he's trying to avoid the spoon.

As for the players, I think a lot of them are an embarrassment, but when you sign a coaching contract you have to get the best out of the players you've got. He's also signed a number of players so it's not entirely Cleary's dud roster anymore (which Madge still got to 9th). A really good coach can adapt his style to suit the playing group he's got. I haven't seen any evidence of him adapting whatsoever.

So what is your strategy for success, is it to roll over the roster until he finally gets a team that can play for him? And is that practical? You asked me earlier why we got rid of Sheens. Why did Souths get rid of Madge?

Roll over the roster until you get a team that can play for Wests Tigers and not just bludge to get their pay packet. Madge should say a few more things like his we need men comment, this would further help identify those players with a bad attitude.

Hypothetically, in your opinion, how many of the 30 would you need to be rolled over for him to finally get the team he needs to be competitive?

As many as it takes. It’s not what Madge needs to be competitive it’s what Wests Tigers need to be competitive. This player crap has been going on for over 10 years now, long before Madge, and it has to stop. The players and the player culture is the problem and the players need to held accountable.

So you're willing to give him another 3-5 years to clear out the rosterf completely??

Whatever it takes to fix the culture and have players be held to account. It’s not giving Madge another 3-5 years it’s giving the club time to get its house in order and get rid of this poisonous attitude that percolates through the successive playing groups.

And that's fair enough, I just don't think Madge is the man who can fix it.

The club as a whole needs to fix it. It’s not just the coach. Like I said this has been happening for over a decade and through successive coaches . It needs to be a team approach through all aspects of the organisation. That goes for the Board, staff (both corporate and football) and players. Anyone who allows the players to perpetuate the poor attitude needs to go along with the player(s).

I think we are making very good progress with pathways and I think Pascoe was very proactive getting Sheens on board. I think as a club we're moving in the right direction in all ways except on field. My opinion is Madge is the weak link, but happy to be proven wrong.

Sheens reporting directly to Pascoe suggests the latter wants what is broken fixed.

Who else is Sheens going to report to? If he reports to Madge, he's an assistant coach, but also I don't believe anyone in pathways reports to Madge, that's not Madge's primary job.

 

[jirskyr]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.


God help us if Sheens has much influence in coaching.He was sacked here and had a low percentage win rate in ESL.As long as he stays where he is supposed to be in pathways he should be ok

**the two seasons prior to being sacked we finished top 4.** In UK his win record has been 58%.

So why was he sacked?
I honestly can’t remember, too long ago, I remember it wasn’t pleasant and most were pleased. I thought it was results driven?
I do think he’s been away from the NRL scene too long to offer much in the way of game day tactics, but he will still know what a good player looks like?

We were favs to win in 2012 (the year he was sacked) and when we didn't make the 8 he was ditched. He'd been here for 10 years and our expectations that year were to win it.

He's coached over 650 NRL games and has still been involved in the game since he left here. In many ways the way the game is currently played is a perfect match for his style of coaching. I think he'd be the sort of coach that could get us on the right track pretty quickly.

Are you now saying you want him as coach?

As i've previously mentioned, my preference would be to have someone like Gardiner/Ciraldo/Morris take over the head coaching role with Sheens sitting above as Coaching Director.

But surely you will agree that a coaching director will be the coach, while the poor coach will basically be the assistant but cop the blame when the directors plans go awry?

Not necessarily, depends on how it's structured. But if Sheens was made head coach i'd have no major issues with that either, provided a succession plan was in place.

We're at a place now where we make a change or just blindly hope that Madge can improve the team.

So blindly hoping Tim can is better?
You don’t think the players are letting the team down, at all?

When you're on a downward trajectory like us, sticking with the status quo and hoping for it to turn around is blind hope. Is it blind hope to think Sheens can do better? In his 3rd season with us he won a premiership, whilst in Madge's 3rd season he's trying to avoid the spoon.

As for the players, I think a lot of them are an embarrassment, but when you sign a coaching contract you have to get the best out of the players you've got. He's also signed a number of players so it's not entirely Cleary's dud roster anymore (which Madge still got to 9th). A really good coach can adapt his style to suit the playing group he's got. I haven't seen any evidence of him adapting whatsoever.

So what is your strategy for success, is it to roll over the roster until he finally gets a team that can play for him? And is that practical? You asked me earlier why we got rid of Sheens. Why did Souths get rid of Madge?

Roll over the roster until you get a team that can play for Wests Tigers and not just bludge to get their pay packet. Madge should say a few more things like his we need men comment, this would further help identify those players with a bad attitude.

Hypothetically, in your opinion, how many of the 30 would you need to be rolled over for him to finally get the team he needs to be competitive?

As many as it takes. It’s not what Madge needs to be competitive it’s what Wests Tigers need to be competitive. This player crap has been going on for over 10 years now, long before Madge, and it has to stop. The players and the player culture is the problem and the players need to held accountable.

I agree and that's a key point.

How do you drive the concept of individual player accountability, work ethic, diligence and the all-around club culture if you remove the head coach every time results don't happen, on a cycle of 2-3 seasons?

I wouldn't say Tigers are a sack-happy club, but we haven't picked and sticked for a decade. Every other properly successful club in that period has kept their head coach on, even in spite of sometimes interim bad results. For example Brad Arthur, Ricky Stuart, Shane Flanagan all endured ordinary results amongst periods of success.

It's not illogical to want to remove a coach if not successful inside 2-3 years, but I don't think it sets any standard for playing group if the coach gets hooked in times of trouble.

Also to change the "bossman" of a club that often - by definition it modifies the culture. Businesses try to avoid changing CEOs, they respond better to stability at the top.

 

[Needaname]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.


God help us if Sheens has much influence in coaching.He was sacked here and had a low percentage win rate in ESL.As long as he stays where he is supposed to be in pathways he should be ok

**the two seasons prior to being sacked we finished top 4.** In UK his win record has been 58%.

So why was he sacked?
I honestly can’t remember, too long ago, I remember it wasn’t pleasant and most were pleased. I thought it was results driven?
I do think he’s been away from the NRL scene too long to offer much in the way of game day tactics, but he will still know what a good player looks like?

We were favs to win in 2012 (the year he was sacked) and when we didn't make the 8 he was ditched. He'd been here for 10 years and our expectations that year were to win it.

He's coached over 650 NRL games and has still been involved in the game since he left here. In many ways the way the game is currently played is a perfect match for his style of coaching. I think he'd be the sort of coach that could get us on the right track pretty quickly.

Are you now saying you want him as coach?

As i've previously mentioned, my preference would be to have someone like Gardiner/Ciraldo/Morris take over the head coaching role with Sheens sitting above as Coaching Director.

But surely you will agree that a coaching director will be the coach, while the poor coach will basically be the assistant but cop the blame when the directors plans go awry?

Not necessarily, depends on how it's structured. But if Sheens was made head coach i'd have no major issues with that either, provided a succession plan was in place.

We're at a place now where we make a change or just blindly hope that Madge can improve the team.

So blindly hoping Tim can is better?
You don’t think the players are letting the team down, at all?

When you're on a downward trajectory like us, sticking with the status quo and hoping for it to turn around is blind hope. Is it blind hope to think Sheens can do better? In his 3rd season with us he won a premiership, whilst in Madge's 3rd season he's trying to avoid the spoon.

As for the players, I think a lot of them are an embarrassment, but when you sign a coaching contract you have to get the best out of the players you've got. He's also signed a number of players so it's not entirely Cleary's dud roster anymore (which Madge still got to 9th). A really good coach can adapt his style to suit the playing group he's got. I haven't seen any evidence of him adapting whatsoever.

So what is your strategy for success, is it to roll over the roster until he finally gets a team that can play for him? And is that practical? You asked me earlier why we got rid of Sheens. Why did Souths get rid of Madge?

Roll over the roster until you get a team that can play for Wests Tigers and not just bludge to get their pay packet. Madge should say a few more things like his we need men comment, this would further help identify those players with a bad attitude.

Hypothetically, in your opinion, how many of the 30 would you need to be rolled over for him to finally get the team he needs to be competitive?

As many as it takes. It’s not what Madge needs to be competitive it’s what Wests Tigers need to be competitive. This player crap has been going on for over 10 years now, long before Madge, and it has to stop. The players and the player culture is the problem and the players need to held accountable.

So you're willing to give him another 3-5 years to clear out the rosterf completely??

Whatever it takes to fix the culture and have players be held to account. It’s not giving Madge another 3-5 years it’s giving the club time to get its house in order and get rid of this poisonous attitude that percolates through the successive playing groups.

And that's fair enough, I just don't think Madge is the man who can fix it.

The club as a whole needs to fix it. It’s not just the coach. Like I said this has been happening for over a decade and through successive coaches . It needs to be a team approach through all aspects of the organisation. That goes for the Board, staff (both corporate and football) and players. Anyone who allows the players to perpetuate the poor attitude needs to go along with the player(s).

I think we are making very good progress with pathways and I think Pascoe was very proactive getting Sheens on board. I think as a club we're moving in the right direction in all ways except on field. My opinion is Madge is the weak link, but happy to be proven wrong.

Sheens reporting directly to Pascoe suggests the latter wants what is broken fixed.

Who else is Sheens going to report to? If he reports to Madge, he's an assistant coach, but also I don't believe anyone in pathways reports to Madge, that's not Madge's primary job.

I guess you could answer it this way.
Who does Madge report to.
Pascoe or Hartigan?

 

[jirskyr]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.


God help us if Sheens has much influence in coaching.He was sacked here and had a low percentage win rate in ESL.As long as he stays where he is supposed to be in pathways he should be ok

**the two seasons prior to being sacked we finished top 4.** In UK his win record has been 58%.

So why was he sacked?
I honestly can’t remember, too long ago, I remember it wasn’t pleasant and most were pleased. I thought it was results driven?
I do think he’s been away from the NRL scene too long to offer much in the way of game day tactics, but he will still know what a good player looks like?

We were favs to win in 2012 (the year he was sacked) and when we didn't make the 8 he was ditched. He'd been here for 10 years and our expectations that year were to win it.

He's coached over 650 NRL games and has still been involved in the game since he left here. In many ways the way the game is currently played is a perfect match for his style of coaching. I think he'd be the sort of coach that could get us on the right track pretty quickly.

Are you now saying you want him as coach?

As i've previously mentioned, my preference would be to have someone like Gardiner/Ciraldo/Morris take over the head coaching role with Sheens sitting above as Coaching Director.

But surely you will agree that a coaching director will be the coach, while the poor coach will basically be the assistant but cop the blame when the directors plans go awry?

Not necessarily, depends on how it's structured. But if Sheens was made head coach i'd have no major issues with that either, provided a succession plan was in place.

We're at a place now where we make a change or just blindly hope that Madge can improve the team.

So blindly hoping Tim can is better?
You don’t think the players are letting the team down, at all?

When you're on a downward trajectory like us, sticking with the status quo and hoping for it to turn around is blind hope. Is it blind hope to think Sheens can do better? In his 3rd season with us he won a premiership, whilst in Madge's 3rd season he's trying to avoid the spoon.

As for the players, I think a lot of them are an embarrassment, but when you sign a coaching contract you have to get the best out of the players you've got. He's also signed a number of players so it's not entirely Cleary's dud roster anymore (which Madge still got to 9th). A really good coach can adapt his style to suit the playing group he's got. I haven't seen any evidence of him adapting whatsoever.

So what is your strategy for success, is it to roll over the roster until he finally gets a team that can play for him? And is that practical? You asked me earlier why we got rid of Sheens. Why did Souths get rid of Madge?

Roll over the roster until you get a team that can play for Wests Tigers and not just bludge to get their pay packet. Madge should say a few more things like his we need men comment, this would further help identify those players with a bad attitude.

Hypothetically, in your opinion, how many of the 30 would you need to be rolled over for him to finally get the team he needs to be competitive?

As many as it takes. It’s not what Madge needs to be competitive it’s what Wests Tigers need to be competitive. This player crap has been going on for over 10 years now, long before Madge, and it has to stop. The players and the player culture is the problem and the players need to held accountable.

So you're willing to give him another 3-5 years to clear out the rosterf completely??

Whatever it takes to fix the culture and have players be held to account. It’s not giving Madge another 3-5 years it’s giving the club time to get its house in order and get rid of this poisonous attitude that percolates through the successive playing groups.

And that's fair enough, I just don't think Madge is the man who can fix it.

The club as a whole needs to fix it. It’s not just the coach. Like I said this has been happening for over a decade and through successive coaches . It needs to be a team approach through all aspects of the organisation. That goes for the Board, staff (both corporate and football) and players. Anyone who allows the players to perpetuate the poor attitude needs to go along with the player(s).

I think we are making very good progress with pathways and I think Pascoe was very proactive getting Sheens on board. I think as a club we're moving in the right direction in all ways except on field. My opinion is Madge is the weak link, but happy to be proven wrong.

Sheens reporting directly to Pascoe suggests the latter wants what is broken fixed.

Who else is Sheens going to report to? If he reports to Madge, he's an assistant coach, but also I don't believe anyone in pathways reports to Madge, that's not Madge's primary job.

I guess you could answer it this way.
Who does Madge report to.
Pascoe or Hartigan?

I don't know for sure, I think it's Pascoe. All department heads answer to Pascoe and I don't think Hartigan has authority over the first grade side and coaches.

 

[Blocktiger]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

**Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.**

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.

That was my fear when we signed Madge, yes he won the comp at Souths in 2014, but things turned sour pretty quickly afterwards, finishing 7th in 2015, 12th in 2016 and 12th in 2017.
**Talk of player unrest surfaced early in 2016**, the noise was deafening by 2017, and he was sacked, history is repeating it self, only we didn't get any success out of his stay.

Yet Tim was dumped by us, but you are happy to accept him back?

There it is again, "talk of player unrest", we need to be rid of that sort of thing, players get paid to play not play politics.

I didn't say I want Tim back, I said I want Madge gone, I don't want Tim anywhere near coaching, the same with Madge, I would like a new coach now so he can spend some of this money that Madge can't give away

All a new coach does is give these weak players that are making the team so bad another 2 years just to play shit and get a pay check. Madge is becoming familiar with who needs to go or stay. So persist with him and he will get the team going again.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.


God help us if Sheens has much influence in coaching.He was sacked here and had a low percentage win rate in ESL.As long as he stays where he is supposed to be in pathways he should be ok

**the two seasons prior to being sacked we finished top 4.** In UK his win record has been 58%.

So why was he sacked?
I honestly can’t remember, too long ago, I remember it wasn’t pleasant and most were pleased. I thought it was results driven?
I do think he’s been away from the NRL scene too long to offer much in the way of game day tactics, but he will still know what a good player looks like?

We were favs to win in 2012 (the year he was sacked) and when we didn't make the 8 he was ditched. He'd been here for 10 years and our expectations that year were to win it.

He's coached over 650 NRL games and has still been involved in the game since he left here. In many ways the way the game is currently played is a perfect match for his style of coaching. I think he'd be the sort of coach that could get us on the right track pretty quickly.

Are you now saying you want him as coach?

As i've previously mentioned, my preference would be to have someone like Gardiner/Ciraldo/Morris take over the head coaching role with Sheens sitting above as Coaching Director.

But surely you will agree that a coaching director will be the coach, while the poor coach will basically be the assistant but cop the blame when the directors plans go awry?

Not necessarily, depends on how it's structured. But if Sheens was made head coach i'd have no major issues with that either, provided a succession plan was in place.

We're at a place now where we make a change or just blindly hope that Madge can improve the team.

So blindly hoping Tim can is better?
You don’t think the players are letting the team down, at all?

When you're on a downward trajectory like us, sticking with the status quo and hoping for it to turn around is blind hope. Is it blind hope to think Sheens can do better? In his 3rd season with us he won a premiership, whilst in Madge's 3rd season he's trying to avoid the spoon.

As for the players, I think a lot of them are an embarrassment, but when you sign a coaching contract you have to get the best out of the players you've got. He's also signed a number of players so it's not entirely Cleary's dud roster anymore (which Madge still got to 9th). A really good coach can adapt his style to suit the playing group he's got. I haven't seen any evidence of him adapting whatsoever.

So what is your strategy for success, is it to roll over the roster until he finally gets a team that can play for him? And is that practical? You asked me earlier why we got rid of Sheens. Why did Souths get rid of Madge?

Roll over the roster until you get a team that can play for Wests Tigers and not just bludge to get their pay packet. Madge should say a few more things like his we need men comment, this would further help identify those players with a bad attitude.

Hypothetically, in your opinion, how many of the 30 would you need to be rolled over for him to finally get the team he needs to be competitive?

As many as it takes. It’s not what Madge needs to be competitive it’s what Wests Tigers need to be competitive. This player crap has been going on for over 10 years now, long before Madge, and it has to stop. The players and the player culture is the problem and the players need to held accountable.

So you're willing to give him another 3-5 years to clear out the rosterf completely??

Whatever it takes to fix the culture and have players be held to account. It’s not giving Madge another 3-5 years it’s giving the club time to get its house in order and get rid of this poisonous attitude that percolates through the successive playing groups.

And that's fair enough, I just don't think Madge is the man who can fix it.

The club as a whole needs to fix it. It’s not just the coach. Like I said this has been happening for over a decade and through successive coaches . It needs to be a team approach through all aspects of the organisation. That goes for the Board, staff (both corporate and football) and players. Anyone who allows the players to perpetuate the poor attitude needs to go along with the player(s).

I think we are making very good progress with pathways and I think Pascoe was very proactive getting Sheens on board. I think as a club we're moving in the right direction in all ways except on field. My opinion is Madge is the weak link, but happy to be proven wrong.

Sheens reporting directly to Pascoe suggests the latter wants what is broken fixed.

Who else is Sheens going to report to? If he reports to Madge, he's an assistant coach, but also I don't believe anyone in pathways reports to Madge, that's not Madge's primary job.

He could report to Hartigan. The link to the WTs' release certainly suggests Maguire reports to Hartigan.

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2020/11/09/wests-tigers-confirm-2021-football-department

 

[jirskyr]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.


God help us if Sheens has much influence in coaching.He was sacked here and had a low percentage win rate in ESL.As long as he stays where he is supposed to be in pathways he should be ok

**the two seasons prior to being sacked we finished top 4.** In UK his win record has been 58%.

So why was he sacked?
I honestly can’t remember, too long ago, I remember it wasn’t pleasant and most were pleased. I thought it was results driven?
I do think he’s been away from the NRL scene too long to offer much in the way of game day tactics, but he will still know what a good player looks like?

We were favs to win in 2012 (the year he was sacked) and when we didn't make the 8 he was ditched. He'd been here for 10 years and our expectations that year were to win it.

He's coached over 650 NRL games and has still been involved in the game since he left here. In many ways the way the game is currently played is a perfect match for his style of coaching. I think he'd be the sort of coach that could get us on the right track pretty quickly.

Are you now saying you want him as coach?

As i've previously mentioned, my preference would be to have someone like Gardiner/Ciraldo/Morris take over the head coaching role with Sheens sitting above as Coaching Director.

But surely you will agree that a coaching director will be the coach, while the poor coach will basically be the assistant but cop the blame when the directors plans go awry?

Not necessarily, depends on how it's structured. But if Sheens was made head coach i'd have no major issues with that either, provided a succession plan was in place.

We're at a place now where we make a change or just blindly hope that Madge can improve the team.

So blindly hoping Tim can is better?
You don’t think the players are letting the team down, at all?

When you're on a downward trajectory like us, sticking with the status quo and hoping for it to turn around is blind hope. Is it blind hope to think Sheens can do better? In his 3rd season with us he won a premiership, whilst in Madge's 3rd season he's trying to avoid the spoon.

As for the players, I think a lot of them are an embarrassment, but when you sign a coaching contract you have to get the best out of the players you've got. He's also signed a number of players so it's not entirely Cleary's dud roster anymore (which Madge still got to 9th). A really good coach can adapt his style to suit the playing group he's got. I haven't seen any evidence of him adapting whatsoever.

So what is your strategy for success, is it to roll over the roster until he finally gets a team that can play for him? And is that practical? You asked me earlier why we got rid of Sheens. Why did Souths get rid of Madge?

Roll over the roster until you get a team that can play for Wests Tigers and not just bludge to get their pay packet. Madge should say a few more things like his we need men comment, this would further help identify those players with a bad attitude.

Hypothetically, in your opinion, how many of the 30 would you need to be rolled over for him to finally get the team he needs to be competitive?

As many as it takes. It’s not what Madge needs to be competitive it’s what Wests Tigers need to be competitive. This player crap has been going on for over 10 years now, long before Madge, and it has to stop. The players and the player culture is the problem and the players need to held accountable.

So you're willing to give him another 3-5 years to clear out the rosterf completely??

Whatever it takes to fix the culture and have players be held to account. It’s not giving Madge another 3-5 years it’s giving the club time to get its house in order and get rid of this poisonous attitude that percolates through the successive playing groups.

And that's fair enough, I just don't think Madge is the man who can fix it.

The club as a whole needs to fix it. It’s not just the coach. Like I said this has been happening for over a decade and through successive coaches . It needs to be a team approach through all aspects of the organisation. That goes for the Board, staff (both corporate and football) and players. Anyone who allows the players to perpetuate the poor attitude needs to go along with the player(s).

I think we are making very good progress with pathways and I think Pascoe was very proactive getting Sheens on board. I think as a club we're moving in the right direction in all ways except on field. My opinion is Madge is the weak link, but happy to be proven wrong.

Sheens reporting directly to Pascoe suggests the latter wants what is broken fixed.

Who else is Sheens going to report to? If he reports to Madge, he's an assistant coach, but also I don't believe anyone in pathways reports to Madge, that's not Madge's primary job.

He could report to Hartigan. The link to the WTs' release certainly suggests Maguire reports to Hartigan.

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2020/11/09/wests-tigers-confirm-2021-football-department

The press release doesn't say anything about Hartigan at all. He's just in the list.

 

[Dene1983]

Douiehi back to five eighth, Pauga to make debut at centre. Tuki Simpkins debut off bench.

 

[happy_tiger]

I love Madge and will be disappointed if we part ways...really wanted him to bring us out of the hole but maybe we are just to too weak atm for his style...I reallly think we need to go for a coach with a great reputation and who players love...my two ideal options would be Wayne or filter...both would help us with attracting the right players

NOOOOOO to both


ciraldo or Flanagan?

Fittler and Bennett

Tbh I can’t really see any other coach changing this team besides tho two, due to their ability to get stars in the squad. Truth is we are a weak team...Madge is a good coach with an underperforming roster...imo no coach can get this team into the the top...so either stick with Madge and co and try and rebuild culture from the bottom down or get a high profile coach like Freddy or Wayne to attract top tier talent

Fittler is a dunce who does well at origin level due to the quality of players and it being more about motivation.

Wayne is not a rebuild coach and doesn't care about how he leaves a side when he finishes up. In fact I believe he likes them to crash and burn after he leaves.

They are the worst type of coaches for this club.

You can't be serious about Wayne Bennett @cochise?
What would a coach's motivation be to leave the club in a mess after they leave?
Wouldn't that be a sure fire way of not getting another coaching position?
As far as I can see Bennett is still respected.

Ask Ivan why ......

 

[happy_tiger]

Who is older wayne or sheens

What is this an old off?

Just intrigued lol... but if we want it to make it a competition then yes its a old off lol

3 rounds, 1st is age 2nd is coaching record and then 3rd they fight it out in ring

Believe it or not Wayne Bennett is only 10 months older than Sheens. He looks about 400, so I'm going to guess Sheens has dealt with the stress better over the decades.

I can't imagine it would be easy for Wayne to coach an NRL team (or Ricky Stuart in his situation either ) and then have to be a parent with a child with special needs .....

 

[avocadoontoast]

Douiehi back to five eighth, Pauga to make debut at centre. Tuki Simpkins debut off bench.

That’s it? He couldn’t find any other men?

 

[Needaname]

Douiehi back to five eighth, Pauga to make debut at centre. Tuki Simpkins debut off bench.

That’s it? He couldn’t find any other men?

Well Tuki Simpkins is hardly a man. So I guess his found a boy to do a mans job instead.

 

[earl]

Douiehi back to five eighth, Pauga to make debut at centre. Tuki Simpkins debut off bench.

That’s it? He couldn’t find any other men?

That was such a dumb comment wasn't it. I'm fine with keeping Madge but mainly because I don't think the coach is a problem but a couple more dumb comments like that and they can sack him.

I don't expect the coach to turn it around. I expect him to try which is what he is doing. I think he has made some bad decisions but those decisions would be fine if we had a better squad.

 

[The_Patriot]

I knew he wouldnt have the balls to drop any of the senior players.

After it being Liddles fault and Stefanos fault after poor losses earlier in the season it appears it is now Seyfarths fault, Blores fault and Tom Amones fault for the last two weeks.

Just sack the guy already he doesnt have what it takes to turn this club around. He is ALL TALK and way too soft!

 

[TigerNeddyK]

I knew he wouldnt have the balls to drop any of the senior players.

After it being Liddles fault and Stefanos fault after poor losses earlier in the season it appears it is now Seyfarths fault, Blores fault and Tom Amones fault for the last two weeks.

Just sack the guy already he doesnt have what it takes to turn this club around. He is ALL TALK and way too soft!

I wish I could upvote this comment 50 times! 😎

 

[BAGNF05]

Anybody see the part of the doco today where Madge wanted the game stopped when Stefano was hurt. Raiders move up field and score against 12. That summed up Wests Tigers for me, cam smith would have stopped the game, unpacked a picnic and waited for Stef to recover all before the 3rd tackle.

 

[sheer64]

I knew he wouldnt have the balls to drop any of the senior players.

After it being Liddles fault and Stefanos fault after poor losses earlier in the season it appears it is now Seyfarths fault, Blores fault and Tom Amones fault for the last two weeks.

Just sack the guy already he doesnt have what it takes to turn this club around. He is ALL TALK and way too soft!

Yep have to agree to have Mbye and Mikaele anywhere near this team is an insult to all supporters.

 

[BAGNF05]

I knew he wouldnt have the balls to drop any of the senior players.

After it being Liddles fault and Stefanos fault after poor losses earlier in the season it appears it is now Seyfarths fault, Blores fault and Tom Amones fault for the last two weeks.

Just sack the guy already he doesnt have what it takes to turn this club around. He is ALL TALK and way too soft!

Yep have to agree to have Mbye and Mikaele anywhere near this team is an insult to all supporters.

They won’t drop Mbye because we’re paying him around 70 grand each month. It’s an ego thing now I’m sure of it.