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happy_tiger
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@kingrobbie said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1467559) said:
Or they don't want to be involved with the WT's ....COE and all ......we are getting an independant review done by people working at the club ...we are the NRL version of Fawlty Towers .....
Tim Sheens’ quarantine nightmare may yet turn out to be a blessing in disguise for the Wests Tigers given two of the prime candidates to replace Michael Maguire are based in England – St Helens coach Kristian Woolf and England boss Shaun Wane.
While Penrith assistant Cameron Ciraldo is regarded as the frontrunner to replace Maguire should he be shown the door by the Tigers, Woolf and Wane are both believed to be interested in the role.
Woolf has been outstanding since joining St Helens, leading the club to a grand final win last year and the Challenge Cup earlier this year. He has also helped turn Tonga into an international force and his relationship with his players has meant the likes of Jason Taumalolo pledging their future to the island nation rather than New Zealand.
Wane, the current England coach and winner of three Super League titles when in charge of Wigan, has a longstanding interest in coaching in the NRL and would no doubt be keen to take over at the Tigers.
Sheens, who will play a significant role in the selection of a new coach, has access to both men given he is still in England and unlikely to fly to Australia until the end of next month.
While Penrith assistant Cameron Ciraldo is regarded as the frontrunner to replace Maguire should he be shown the door by the Tigers, Woolf and Wane are both believed to be interested in the role.
Woolf has been outstanding since joining St Helens, leading the club to a grand final win last year and the Challenge Cup earlier this year. He has also helped turn Tonga into an international force and his relationship with his players has meant the likes of Jason Taumalolo pledging their future to the island nation rather than New Zealand.
Wane, the current England coach and winner of three Super League titles when in charge of Wigan, has a longstanding interest in coaching in the NRL and would no doubt be keen to take over at the Tigers.
Sheens, who will play a significant role in the selection of a new coach, has access to both men given he is still in England and unlikely to fly to Australia until the end of next month.
The foot steps are getting louder....
pawsandclaws1
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@jc99 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1467648) said:
Sheens always had to be involved in the selection process. I don't believe 5 hit-ups and a bomb is Sheens' style of rugby league.
@jirskyr said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1467599) said:
But Arthur’s teams looked like they were being coached , the fact remains after 3 seasons there still is no defensive structure this is not the lack of quality players this is the lack of coaching ability by the coach and the assistants he has employed .
We really need to look at the realities of the situation after 3 seasons he graph has gone one way ⬇️.
tony soprano
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I could live with woolf.
avocadoontoast
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Woolf or Wane would be worth consideration for sure.
@jc99 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1467648) said:
Who wrote that please...article require sources..
avocadoontoast
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@geo said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1467662) said:
Brent Read.
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1467663) said:
Thank you..
pawsandclaws1
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It's good to read the club is considering all options as new coach.
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1467666) said:
As they should.
It makes sense to approach a SL coach.
You won’t find any experienced coach from the NRL willing to put their reputation on the line for this lost cause. Madge is the biggest example of what happens when you do that.
It will be a rookie or an outsider. I’d say even redemption story Flanagan will bide his time looking for a better offer.
avocadoontoast
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Here is the full article
Tim Sheens stuck in UK alongside two potential Wests Tigers coaching contenders
BRENT READ
Tim Sheens’ quarantine nightmare may yet turn out to be a blessing in disguise for the Wests Tigers given two of the prime candidates to replace Michael Maguire are based in England – St Helens coach Kristian Woolf and England boss Shaun Wane.
While Penrith assistant Cameron Ciraldo is regarded as the frontrunner to replace Maguire should he be shown the door by the Tigers, Woolf and Wane are both believed to be interested in the role.
Woolf has been outstanding since joining St Helens, leading the club to a grand final win last year and the Challenge Cup earlier this year. He has also helped turn Tonga into an international force and his relationship with his players has meant the likes of Jason Taumalolo pledging their future to the island nation rather than New Zealand.
Wane, the current England coach and winner of three Super League titles when in charge of Wigan, has a longstanding interest in coaching in the NRL and would no doubt be keen to take over at the Tigers.
Sheens, who will play a significant role in the selection of a new coach, has access to both men given he is still in England and unlikely to fly to Australia until the end of next month.
The premiership winner and former Tigers coach shapes as one of the more enticing reasons for any coach to join the Tigers given his knowledge and standing in the game.
The Tigers are viewed as an undesirable destination but they actually have plenty of selling points for a new coach. It starts with Sheens, who shapes as the ideal mentor for the likes of Ciraldo and Woolf, both of whom would be NRL head coaches for the first time.
The Tigers also have plenty of room under their salary cap for next season, giving an incoming coach the chance to shape his roster. The club has frozen activity in the transfer market while they await some clarity on Maguire’s future, but are expected to monitor the movements of the likes of Tariq Sims and Curtis Scott from afar.
Sims is already on the radar of Tigers officials while Scott has been mentioned as a potential recruit after being sacked by Canberra. Bulldogs forward Adam Elliott is also likely to feature in discussions as he waits to hear his fate at Canterbury, having fronted the board on Monday night.
A new coach, if there is to be one, will want to play a role in filling the remaining four spots on the roster. Hence, the relative sense of urgency around a decision over Maguire.
The Tigers are in the process of completing a review into their turgid end to the season, which is expected to be presented to the club’s board of directors as early as next week.
Maguire’s position is hanging by the barest of threads after another disappointing season culminated in the club finishing in 13th place with one of the worst defensive records of any side in the competition.
The club’s senior leaders are expected to play a major role in determining Maguire’s fate as part of the review into the football department, which is being carried out by general manager of football Adam Hartigan and chief executive Justin Pascoe.
The Tigers have been criticised for conducting an internal review using two of the key figures who many believe should be under scrutiny themselves. However, it is understood both men will have their roles in the season analysed as the Tigers look for answers to their current malaise.
TIGERS PLAYERS COULD DECIDE MAGUIRE’S FATE
The senior players at the Wests Tigers are set to play a significant role in the future of Michael Maguire after it emerged that their views would form a major chunk of a review into the club’s football operations.
Tigers officials confirmed that rather consult the entire playing group, the review focused on the thoughts of the club’s leaders. Their views could ultimately decide whether Maguire is given the opportunity to see out the final two years of his contract.
While Tigers officials insist the review will not be fast-tracked in the wake of their disappointing end to the season, they acknowledge there is a sense of urgency around the coaching position.
Maguire appears to be fighting a lost cause and the uncertainty over his future has prompted some to suggest that Penrith assistant Cameron Ciraldo is the preferred choice to take over.
Ciraldo has been the brains behind Penrith’s defensive structures in recent seasons, an area of the game where the Tigers have been found wanting. This year alone they conceded 714 points – only North Queensland was worse.
Ciraldo has another year on his deal with Penrith but Panthers officials insist they will not stand in his way if he is offered the opportunity to take over from Maguire.
“Our preference would be for him to stay at Penrith,” Panthers chair Dave O’Neill said.
“It’s up to Cirro. He knows that at any time he can pick up the phone to me or Fletch (chief executive Brian Fletcher) and say I need to have a discussion. We have a pretty good understanding.”
Sources close to Ciraldo suggest he would be unlikely to consider the Tigers job while Penrith’s season is still underway. However, he is widely considered the next coach-in-waiting and looks ready-made to take on a head coaching job.
Of the other candidates, the most prominent are premiership winners Shane Flanagan and Paul Green, and St Helens coach Kristian Woolf. South Sydney coach Wayne Bennett would be the No. 1 contender but is intent on returning to Queensland, where he is expected to link with one of the expansion teams should the NRL decide to add a 17th team.
Whoever takes over, should the Tigers go down that path, will be armed with a $1.6 million war chest heading into next season. The Tigers have four spots remaining on their roster and nearly 20 per cent of their cap still to spend, leaving an incoming coach with the capacity to strengthen the squad with some high-profile targets.
Tigers chair Lee Hagipantelis will play a central role in the coaching decision and on Monday he hit out at suggestions his friendship with Justin Pascoe impaired his judgment when it came to the club’s chief executive.
Hagipantelis insisted he would have no qualms recommending Pascoe be sacked if he was convinced that it would turn around their fortunes on the field.
Pascoe’s role in the organisation has come under fire from unhappy Tigers supporters, who believe the chief executive should be held to account for the way the side has performed during his tenure.
Pascoe has been at helm of the Tigers for six years this month. In that time, the club has failed to qualify for the finals. At the same time, their balance sheet has improved significantly and Pascoe played a role in securing funding for a Centre of Excellence, which is scheduled to be completed later this year.
Hagipantelis insisted the responsibility for on-field performance rested largely with the football department and he would stand down himself if he was provided with any evidence that suggested the people in the club’s senior administrative positions were hampering their progress.
“The administration of the organisation itself is always under review,” Hagipantelis said.
“You have a continual review process each and every month when we have a board meeting. I understand winning starts in the front office — I understand that sentiment — but if I felt that my resignation as chair would assist on-field performance in some way, I would resign today.
“If I believed Pascoe’s termination would assist on-field performance, I would recommend his termination to the board.
“The issue we have to address and the issue I identify — with my limited expertise in football matters, I acknowledge that — is that the issue concerns on-field performance.
“We are a club that has provided almost unlimited resources and investment in the football department and the results don’t reflect that.
“I understand people are looking at the front office and I get that. They are perfectly entitled to do that.
“But I would need to be convinced by someone how the front office, how decisions in the front office, have resulted in a lack of on-field performance when at the end of the day you have a vigorous process of recruitment and retention involving the coach, the coaching staff, the general manager of football, which is all supported by the board and the club.
“There is a disconnect that exists at the moment and that is what has to be addressed. Off-field, the club is in a very healthy position and has made a very significant investment in that football department, but we haven’t got the results.
“That is the challenge.”
Hagipantelis insisted his judgment was not impacted by his friendship with Pascoe.
“I don’t think so,” he said.
“I see Justin as primarily responsible for the administration of the club – finances, investment, the centre of excellence, all of these things.
“Then you have a separate football department, which of course he oversees as part of his role. But again, Justin doesn’t have that level of expertise in football matters in terms of identifying talent or devising coaching manuals.
“That is why you employ experts in that field. That is the point. People have to be responsible for their divisions. The CEO oversees the entire organisation, I get that.
“But I would need to be convinced how his role impacts on on-field performance. That is a football department issue. That is where the focus of our attention is at the moment.”
Tim Sheens stuck in UK alongside two potential Wests Tigers coaching contenders
BRENT READ
Tim Sheens’ quarantine nightmare may yet turn out to be a blessing in disguise for the Wests Tigers given two of the prime candidates to replace Michael Maguire are based in England – St Helens coach Kristian Woolf and England boss Shaun Wane.
While Penrith assistant Cameron Ciraldo is regarded as the frontrunner to replace Maguire should he be shown the door by the Tigers, Woolf and Wane are both believed to be interested in the role.
Woolf has been outstanding since joining St Helens, leading the club to a grand final win last year and the Challenge Cup earlier this year. He has also helped turn Tonga into an international force and his relationship with his players has meant the likes of Jason Taumalolo pledging their future to the island nation rather than New Zealand.
Wane, the current England coach and winner of three Super League titles when in charge of Wigan, has a longstanding interest in coaching in the NRL and would no doubt be keen to take over at the Tigers.
Sheens, who will play a significant role in the selection of a new coach, has access to both men given he is still in England and unlikely to fly to Australia until the end of next month.
The premiership winner and former Tigers coach shapes as one of the more enticing reasons for any coach to join the Tigers given his knowledge and standing in the game.
The Tigers are viewed as an undesirable destination but they actually have plenty of selling points for a new coach. It starts with Sheens, who shapes as the ideal mentor for the likes of Ciraldo and Woolf, both of whom would be NRL head coaches for the first time.
The Tigers also have plenty of room under their salary cap for next season, giving an incoming coach the chance to shape his roster. The club has frozen activity in the transfer market while they await some clarity on Maguire’s future, but are expected to monitor the movements of the likes of Tariq Sims and Curtis Scott from afar.
Sims is already on the radar of Tigers officials while Scott has been mentioned as a potential recruit after being sacked by Canberra. Bulldogs forward Adam Elliott is also likely to feature in discussions as he waits to hear his fate at Canterbury, having fronted the board on Monday night.
A new coach, if there is to be one, will want to play a role in filling the remaining four spots on the roster. Hence, the relative sense of urgency around a decision over Maguire.
The Tigers are in the process of completing a review into their turgid end to the season, which is expected to be presented to the club’s board of directors as early as next week.
Maguire’s position is hanging by the barest of threads after another disappointing season culminated in the club finishing in 13th place with one of the worst defensive records of any side in the competition.
The club’s senior leaders are expected to play a major role in determining Maguire’s fate as part of the review into the football department, which is being carried out by general manager of football Adam Hartigan and chief executive Justin Pascoe.
The Tigers have been criticised for conducting an internal review using two of the key figures who many believe should be under scrutiny themselves. However, it is understood both men will have their roles in the season analysed as the Tigers look for answers to their current malaise.
TIGERS PLAYERS COULD DECIDE MAGUIRE’S FATE
The senior players at the Wests Tigers are set to play a significant role in the future of Michael Maguire after it emerged that their views would form a major chunk of a review into the club’s football operations.
Tigers officials confirmed that rather consult the entire playing group, the review focused on the thoughts of the club’s leaders. Their views could ultimately decide whether Maguire is given the opportunity to see out the final two years of his contract.
While Tigers officials insist the review will not be fast-tracked in the wake of their disappointing end to the season, they acknowledge there is a sense of urgency around the coaching position.
Maguire appears to be fighting a lost cause and the uncertainty over his future has prompted some to suggest that Penrith assistant Cameron Ciraldo is the preferred choice to take over.
Ciraldo has been the brains behind Penrith’s defensive structures in recent seasons, an area of the game where the Tigers have been found wanting. This year alone they conceded 714 points – only North Queensland was worse.
Ciraldo has another year on his deal with Penrith but Panthers officials insist they will not stand in his way if he is offered the opportunity to take over from Maguire.
“Our preference would be for him to stay at Penrith,” Panthers chair Dave O’Neill said.
“It’s up to Cirro. He knows that at any time he can pick up the phone to me or Fletch (chief executive Brian Fletcher) and say I need to have a discussion. We have a pretty good understanding.”
Sources close to Ciraldo suggest he would be unlikely to consider the Tigers job while Penrith’s season is still underway. However, he is widely considered the next coach-in-waiting and looks ready-made to take on a head coaching job.
Of the other candidates, the most prominent are premiership winners Shane Flanagan and Paul Green, and St Helens coach Kristian Woolf. South Sydney coach Wayne Bennett would be the No. 1 contender but is intent on returning to Queensland, where he is expected to link with one of the expansion teams should the NRL decide to add a 17th team.
Whoever takes over, should the Tigers go down that path, will be armed with a $1.6 million war chest heading into next season. The Tigers have four spots remaining on their roster and nearly 20 per cent of their cap still to spend, leaving an incoming coach with the capacity to strengthen the squad with some high-profile targets.
Tigers chair Lee Hagipantelis will play a central role in the coaching decision and on Monday he hit out at suggestions his friendship with Justin Pascoe impaired his judgment when it came to the club’s chief executive.
Hagipantelis insisted he would have no qualms recommending Pascoe be sacked if he was convinced that it would turn around their fortunes on the field.
Pascoe’s role in the organisation has come under fire from unhappy Tigers supporters, who believe the chief executive should be held to account for the way the side has performed during his tenure.
Pascoe has been at helm of the Tigers for six years this month. In that time, the club has failed to qualify for the finals. At the same time, their balance sheet has improved significantly and Pascoe played a role in securing funding for a Centre of Excellence, which is scheduled to be completed later this year.
Hagipantelis insisted the responsibility for on-field performance rested largely with the football department and he would stand down himself if he was provided with any evidence that suggested the people in the club’s senior administrative positions were hampering their progress.
“The administration of the organisation itself is always under review,” Hagipantelis said.
“You have a continual review process each and every month when we have a board meeting. I understand winning starts in the front office — I understand that sentiment — but if I felt that my resignation as chair would assist on-field performance in some way, I would resign today.
“If I believed Pascoe’s termination would assist on-field performance, I would recommend his termination to the board.
“The issue we have to address and the issue I identify — with my limited expertise in football matters, I acknowledge that — is that the issue concerns on-field performance.
“We are a club that has provided almost unlimited resources and investment in the football department and the results don’t reflect that.
“I understand people are looking at the front office and I get that. They are perfectly entitled to do that.
“But I would need to be convinced by someone how the front office, how decisions in the front office, have resulted in a lack of on-field performance when at the end of the day you have a vigorous process of recruitment and retention involving the coach, the coaching staff, the general manager of football, which is all supported by the board and the club.
“There is a disconnect that exists at the moment and that is what has to be addressed. Off-field, the club is in a very healthy position and has made a very significant investment in that football department, but we haven’t got the results.
“That is the challenge.”
Hagipantelis insisted his judgment was not impacted by his friendship with Pascoe.
“I don’t think so,” he said.
“I see Justin as primarily responsible for the administration of the club – finances, investment, the centre of excellence, all of these things.
“Then you have a separate football department, which of course he oversees as part of his role. But again, Justin doesn’t have that level of expertise in football matters in terms of identifying talent or devising coaching manuals.
“That is why you employ experts in that field. That is the point. People have to be responsible for their divisions. The CEO oversees the entire organisation, I get that.
“But I would need to be convinced how his role impacts on on-field performance. That is a football department issue. That is where the focus of our attention is at the moment.”
"Tigers officials confirmed that rather consult the entire playing group, the review focused on the thoughts of the club’s leaders. Their views could ultimately decide whether Maguire is given the opportunity to see out the final two years of his contract."
This team has no leaders in the playing group - are they serious? Why do they deserve a place at the table?
This team has no leaders in the playing group - are they serious? Why do they deserve a place at the table?
pawsandclaws1
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@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1467667) said:
We've had EOIs for the position already. I believe WTs is a great club and is a powerhouse in waiting with the right coach onboard.
Good god the coaches fate in the hands of the leaders of the team - who are they Im still trying to figure that out. Players at other clubs must be killing themselves with laughter at the joke. We pay them for this.
And fans ask why we can't attract quality players. The next sucker better come with a mental health plan in order.
And fans ask why we can't attract quality players. The next sucker better come with a mental health plan in order.
pawsandclaws1
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@telltails said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1467672) said:
Don't you have confidence in Pascoe and Hartigan to filter the feedback? Pascoe's achievements with the Club's finances cannot be denied. He also brought Sheens back onboard. This is about WTs, not Maguire.
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1467674) said:
Not when it excuses their role in the clubs failure to get results - no. And clearly if they think that the leadership on the field this year is worth listening to - when from the outside looking in every one who knows anything about the game will tell you there wasn't any - then I have no confidence in anything they pretend to filter back.
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