upthetigers
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Not because of lack of talent that 2023 final would have stung
Madge
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tigersfan
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Well done Madge
TigerJunior4
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He had the best squad on paper this year but same argument could be said for all of Bennetts GF wins, and Trent Robinson’s as well.
upthetigers
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Do you watch Super League? How strong was his wigan squad?
TigerJunior4
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I was watching it a lot more back then. It was a strong squad but at the time Wigan, St Helens and Leeds were dominating.
IMO St Helens and Leeds had stronger squads in 2010.
Maybe south’s offered Reynolds two years but only wanted to pay him for the time was going to be in it 🤷🏻♂️
Winston Churchill
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Been said a million times, ill say it again, Madge wasnt the problem, the 2 dipshits at the club above him were the problem.
He had arguably a worse squad under him then the 1999 Western Suburbs team.
If he was at the Tigers this season with the 7 first grade players we have in our current squad we would have given the 8 a real shake up.
Such a shame he was chased out before the other 2 were given the arse.
He had arguably a worse squad under him then the 1999 Western Suburbs team.
If he was at the Tigers this season with the 7 first grade players we have in our current squad we would have given the 8 a real shake up.
Such a shame he was chased out before the other 2 were given the arse.
Red88_Tiger
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I wonder if Madge was consulted during the review process
jirskyr
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I was thinking about it a lot yesterday: it just seems that Madge's key strength is he can get top performances out of top players, but with a more struggling side he ends up flogging a dead horse.
For example you could see the Broncos were coming hard over the top yesterday, same really as the whole Finals series, and it could be reasonably said that the Broncos of the past few years have had plenty of talent but perhaps not enough discipline and commitment. This is of course a side with top-form Walsh, best prop in the comp (Haas), best lock in the comp (Carrigan), two huge strike centres in good form, 3 FG-quality halves and an army of backrowers to fill the gaps. Broncos' weak link is really only hooker.
Broncos made the GF just recently and 3 times the past decade or so, so the talent was there, but just not that stamina to get over the top.
Same in 2014, that Rabbits team might have won their first premiership in forever, but that team had Sam Burgess, Inglis, Koroisau, Sutton, Te'o, Burgess twins, young Alex Johnston, Keary and young Reynolds. Also Isaac Luke being suspended but playing a key role all season. That's some really top-tier players in their peak years and Madge got them up for it.
Madge is 3/3 for Grand Finals - never lost one in the NRL or Super League. Even by comparison Cleary is 4W 2L (lost his first two), Bellyache is 5W 6L (lost 2 of first 3) and the all-timer Bennett is 7W 3L (won 5 of his first 6 with that epic 1990s Broncos roster).
And it explains why Madge was getting results with Origin and Kiwis.
But for Tigers he never had that, he never had those top-level players to shape up and bring the rest of the roster with him. So we got progressively worse, and he flogged the players harder, and rather than respond, they got weak-willed and gave up.
That is the only explanation I can come up with.
For example you could see the Broncos were coming hard over the top yesterday, same really as the whole Finals series, and it could be reasonably said that the Broncos of the past few years have had plenty of talent but perhaps not enough discipline and commitment. This is of course a side with top-form Walsh, best prop in the comp (Haas), best lock in the comp (Carrigan), two huge strike centres in good form, 3 FG-quality halves and an army of backrowers to fill the gaps. Broncos' weak link is really only hooker.
Broncos made the GF just recently and 3 times the past decade or so, so the talent was there, but just not that stamina to get over the top.
Same in 2014, that Rabbits team might have won their first premiership in forever, but that team had Sam Burgess, Inglis, Koroisau, Sutton, Te'o, Burgess twins, young Alex Johnston, Keary and young Reynolds. Also Isaac Luke being suspended but playing a key role all season. That's some really top-tier players in their peak years and Madge got them up for it.
Madge is 3/3 for Grand Finals - never lost one in the NRL or Super League. Even by comparison Cleary is 4W 2L (lost his first two), Bellyache is 5W 6L (lost 2 of first 3) and the all-timer Bennett is 7W 3L (won 5 of his first 6 with that epic 1990s Broncos roster).
And it explains why Madge was getting results with Origin and Kiwis.
But for Tigers he never had that, he never had those top-level players to shape up and bring the rest of the roster with him. So we got progressively worse, and he flogged the players harder, and rather than respond, they got weak-willed and gave up.
That is the only explanation I can come up with.
Rock Hopper Steve
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Credit where it's due for Madge taking them to a premiership but let's see what transpires over the next 2 seasons.
Let's see if he starts to wear out his welcome with his constant intensity at training.
Could history repeat like it did at Souths, jury's out.
Let's see if he starts to wear out his welcome with his constant intensity at training.
Could history repeat like it did at Souths, jury's out.
Perhaps so,but don't you think any club would swap a couple of poor to average seasons for a premiership?I know that i always would because a premiership is what it is all about at the end of the season.Being beaten in a Grand Final just makes you the best loser with 15 others tailed behind you.
There is no substitute for a premiership imho.
Rock Hopper Steve
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Lol your logic is F killing me jad, well put.
tigerballs
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Madge was shafted by the bunnies. Siebold white anted him by spreading that training too hard crap and everyone fell for it. The rat thought he was new age and convinced everyone his "train smarter, not harder" BS was the way to go. We've seen how that worked at Brisbane, then Manly.
You saw what Adam Reynolds had to say about Madge last night.
Rock Hopper Steve
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Halfway through this season at the Broncs Madge seemed to be on shaky ground with the club a quote from Ikin was he must adapt or die.
He can rub people up the wrong way.
It's every clubs aim to provide their coaches with a squad capable of winning a premiership. Madge is successful at the Broncos because he had the resources to work with.
He fullfilled his role as did the players and the club that invested in them. No coach has a magic wand regardless of whether some are considered better than others.
He fullfilled his role as did the players and the club that invested in them. No coach has a magic wand regardless of whether some are considered better than others.
Buttface
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We’re looking for a good assistant, we could do worse than Madge.
weststigerman
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He’s only struggled at our club. Every other club from NRL, ESL, International, Origin won something. I think WT are just an outlier.
You could say the same about Ivan Cleary. He couldn’t achieve success here but won multiple premierships with a star studded Penrith side.
crazycat
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Going to totally disagree with you. Madge was the problem.
Pascoe, etc let Madge have a fairly free rein. They only brought Sheens in at the end and remember Sheens had previously coached Madge at Canberra.
What Madge was doing wasn't working. Doesn't matter if he won a premiership at Souths or Brisbane. It wasn't working HERE.
This sillyness of "give a coach 4 chances...". Even the titans aren't this stupid and have Punted Des after 2.
Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan
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My gut feeling is that he has learned lessons from past coaching experiences and will have more sustained success.
Earlier in the season he was playing Walsh through injury and it looked like he was going to break him. He stopped when it was clear Walsh's performances were letting the team down. The rest is history.
He was mindful of Payne Haas's minutes, generally playing him for 60-65 minutes. Old Madge would have pushed him for 70+ every week.
Just a couple of examples of player management that old Madge wouldn't have exhibited.
Tiger-ferret
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Meh, he’s just won another premiership…he could get sacked already through next season and it wouldn’t matter.