Maguire post match comments insanity?

[TheDaBoss]

Question for everyonr

If madge does leave...do u hold him in leaving in a higher regard with no bad blood....say as apposed to Cleary

 

[avocadoontoast]

Question for everyonr

If madge does leave...do u hold him in leaving in a higher regard with no bad blood....say as apposed to Cleary

Very different. I don’t dislike Madge on a personal level, I just think he’s a poor coach. Conversely, I think Ivan is a very good coach but a dirty rat

 

[mikey]

Have to laugh at people suggesting replacements......

Flanagan just gets me laughing all day - keep it up guys. Next you'll be suggesting Josh Hannay......oh please, stop it, my sides are hurting.......

Fair enough don't see them as being good myself but who would you 'realistically' be aiming for (available and willing to come)?

If the choice was mine, I'd keep him and see how the partnership with Sheens works out.

There are some laughable suggestions on here.

At the moment and with what I know about people, Cameron Ciraldo is the only person I would 'consider'. Is he available? I know he is very close to a core group at Penrith and I'm not sure he would have the same impact with a new club and new personalities. You have to remember, he has personally mentored those kids from a very early age. To be honest, I doubt he would leave and I know he is happy as it stands.

You only ever change players or coaches for someone better. For those that keep peddling Macguire is a hopeless coach and has never been any good.... Good luck to you, but Im glad you dont run the WT.

100 percent agree.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Question for everyonr

If madge does leave...do u hold him in leaving in a higher regard with no bad blood....say as apposed to Cleary

Very different. I don’t dislike Madge on a personal level, I just think he’s a poor coach. Conversely, I think Ivan is a very good coach but a dirty rat

No bad blood for Madge at all.

Sorry I can't give Cleary that "good coach" tag as I think those players coach themselves. The nucleus of that team have been playing together for close to a decade. Griffin would have done equally as good a job.

Cleary didn't break our finals drought. He failed like all of the others with exception of Sheens. No different to the rest of the failures that have had the misfortune of coaching this godawful team.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Question for everyonr

If madge does leave...do u hold him in leaving in a higher regard with no bad blood....say as apposed to Cleary

Very different. I don’t dislike Madge on a personal level, I just think he’s a poor coach. Conversely, I think Ivan is a very good coach but a dirty rat

No bad blood for Madge at all.

Sorry I can't give Cleary that "good coach" tag as I think those players coach themselves. The nucleus of that team have been playing together for close to a decade. Griffin would have done equally as good a job.

Cleary didn't break our finals drought. He failed like all of the others with exception of Sheens. No different to the rest of the failures that have had the misfortune of coaching this godawful team.

I think Cleary is a good coach but you are right, the current Penrith squad would be easy to coach. I often wonder how Cleary would have gone in 2019 if he'd stayed. I thought there was some good signs in 2018 even though we burned out before the end of the season.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The end of season review won’t paint a good light on Madge but the fact it is being conducted by Pascoe and Hartigan is not ok. Those 2 have just as much to do with the current mess as Madge - if not more. Whoever signs off on the deals such as Mbye, Reynolds, Packer, BJ, Roberts etc has to be accountable to. We talk about changing the culture but when you bring in players like that you get the culture we have. The review needs to be done by an independent and be from top to bottom.

I don't understand the anger directed at Pascoe or Hartigan. Pascoe has our club in the black which in turn allowed more resources for the football dept. Hartigan has recruited some of the best young talent we have had at the club. Our U21s were the best. Our junior recruitment for next year looks to be outstanding.

The club is a failure. Many people are responsible. It's too simple an argument to just change the coach and think everything gets fixed. Therefore different people have different ideas about where the size of the blame falls.

You are vocally anti-Madge. There are some that will argue it's more about the club than the coach. You are not anti-Pascoe, but some will argue that Pascoe has been CEO for 6-7 years of failure and deserves to be looked at. You are not anti-Hartigan, but some will argue Hartigan may be significantly responsible for lack of big-name signings and a general unwillingness to bring out the chequebook.

There has been great progress with the identification and recruitment of junior talent. Also off the field with the turn around in our financial situation. Both provide a platform on which to build a bright future for WTs. Unfortunately, I don't believe Maguire is the coach to lead the great young talent at WTs for the reasons many have already raised on the forum.

 

[jirskyr]

The end of season review won’t paint a good light on Madge but the fact it is being conducted by Pascoe and Hartigan is not ok. Those 2 have just as much to do with the current mess as Madge - if not more. Whoever signs off on the deals such as Mbye, Reynolds, Packer, BJ, Roberts etc has to be accountable to. We talk about changing the culture but when you bring in players like that you get the culture we have. The review needs to be done by an independent and be from top to bottom.

I don't understand the anger directed at Pascoe or Hartigan. Pascoe has our club in the black which in turn allowed more resources for the football dept. Hartigan has recruited some of the best young talent we have had at the club. Our U21s were the best. Our junior recruitment for next year looks to be outstanding.

The club is a failure. Many people are responsible. It's too simple an argument to just change the coach and think everything gets fixed. Therefore different people have different ideas about where the size of the blame falls.

You are vocally anti-Madge. There are some that will argue it's more about the club than the coach. You are not anti-Pascoe, but some will argue that Pascoe has been CEO for 6-7 years of failure and deserves to be looked at. You are not anti-Hartigan, but some will argue Hartigan may be significantly responsible for lack of big-name signings and a general unwillingness to bring out the chequebook.

There has been great progress with the identification and recruitment of junior talent. Also off the field with the turn around in our financial situation. Both provide a platform on which to build a bright future for WTs. Unfortunately, I don't believe Maguire is the coach to lead the great young talent at WTs for the reasons many have already raised on the forum.

OK but you said you don't understand the anger aimed at other senior Tigers officials. Some people don't see the same off-field positives that you do.

 

[4jtigers]

Question for everyonr

If madge does leave...do u hold him in leaving in a higher regard with no bad blood....say as apposed to Cleary

Very different. I don’t dislike Madge on a personal level, I just think he’s a poor coach. Conversely, I think Ivan is a very good coach but a dirty rat

what is your definition of a good coach and a bad coach?

 

[avocadoontoast]

Question for everyonr

If madge does leave...do u hold him in leaving in a higher regard with no bad blood....say as apposed to Cleary

Very different. I don’t dislike Madge on a personal level, I just think he’s a poor coach. Conversely, I think Ivan is a very good coach but a dirty rat

what is your definition of a good coach and a bad coach?

One who can adapt his style to get the most out of the players he has.

 

[Swordy]

Question for everyonr

If madge does leave...do u hold him in leaving in a higher regard with no bad blood....say as apposed to Cleary

If Madge was to go, I'd hope it would be his decision. He came on for the long haul, he has consistently stated he is here for the long haul, and we are in the long haul. His credentials are there in black and white.

Cleary is a first grade coach, I agree. But two things about him..... He inherited a top 4 club built up and designed by someone else and with the best junior league nursery - and has been for 40 years. Its like Lewis Hamilton driving his Mercedes F1. Anyone else (and it was done) could drive his car and virtually win.

The second thing about Cleary is his integrity. For someone who was touted as Mr Honesty and Mr Nice-guy, he let himself and his friends down. No one begrudges him taking his son and the team to coach - Jesus, I would take the offer. But it was the way it was done and the deception and dishonesty that doesn't rest well with me on a professional or personal level.

For those reasons, I don't hold Cleary in any regard.

Until Madge behaves in any manner other than holding his head high and staying for the long haul as he has promised, even in the tough times, he will be streets ahead of Cleary IMO.

 

[4jtigers]

Question for everyonr

If madge does leave...do u hold him in leaving in a higher regard with no bad blood....say as apposed to Cleary

Very different. I don’t dislike Madge on a personal level, I just think he’s a poor coach. Conversely, I think Ivan is a very good coach but a dirty rat

what is your definition of a good coach and a bad coach?

One who can adapt his style to get the most out of the players he has.

fair enough - would you consider Fittler a good coach? How about Sticky, Anthony Griffin, or even Kevvie Walters?

I have a high regard towards Madge - if that makes me a fan so be it. I just don't think Madge has the players capable enough of following his instructions and it is these players that will cause his downfall.

 

[aturkey]

Question for everyonr

If madge does leave...do u hold him in leaving in a higher regard with no bad blood....say as apposed to Cleary

Very different. I don’t dislike Madge on a personal level, I just think he’s a poor coach. Conversely, I think Ivan is a very good coach but a dirty rat

No bad blood for Madge at all.

Sorry I can't give Cleary that "good coach" tag as I think those players coach themselves. The nucleus of that team have been playing together for close to a decade. Griffin would have done equally as good a job.

Cleary didn't break our finals drought. He failed like all of the others with exception of Sheens. No different to the rest of the failures that have had the misfortune of coaching this godawful team.

Wow, what does a coach even do according to this forum? Madge isn't responsible for our performances and Ivan isn't responsible for his. It's hilarious.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Question for everyonr

If madge does leave...do u hold him in leaving in a higher regard with no bad blood....say as apposed to Cleary

Very different. I don’t dislike Madge on a personal level, I just think he’s a poor coach. Conversely, I think Ivan is a very good coach but a dirty rat

what is your definition of a good coach and a bad coach?

One who can adapt his style to get the most out of the players he has.

fair enough - would you consider Fittler a good coach? How about Sticky, Anthony Griffin, or even Kevvie Walters?

I have a high regard towards Madge - if that makes me a fan so be it. I just don't think Madge has the players capable enough of following his instructions and it is these players that will cause his downfall.

I don't think much of Fittler as a coach. Anyone could coach that Blue's team. As for the others, I don't think Kev is any world beater but the Broncos have definitely improved as the season has gone on. The last time they got flogged was against us back in July. Griffin is a good coach for a rebuild but I don't think he's the guy that will get a premiership.

The thing that concerns me is getting worse relative to the teams that finished below us. We got flogged yesterday by the wooden spooners who are adding JAC, Burton, TPJ and Vaughan to their squad. Broncos are adding Adam Reynolds who will make a big difference.

My issue is he can't coach who we've got and he can't attract anyone else. If we don't get rid of him soon next year will be worse.

I'm not just blaming Madge though - I think Pascoe should go too. And Lee.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Question for everyonr

If madge does leave...do u hold him in leaving in a higher regard with no bad blood....say as apposed to Cleary

Very different. I don’t dislike Madge on a personal level, I just think he’s a poor coach. Conversely, I think Ivan is a very good coach but a dirty rat

No bad blood for Madge at all.

Sorry I can't give Cleary that "good coach" tag as I think those players coach themselves. The nucleus of that team have been playing together for close to a decade. Griffin would have done equally as good a job.

Cleary didn't break our finals drought. He failed like all of the others with exception of Sheens. No different to the rest of the failures that have had the misfortune of coaching this godawful team.

Wow, what does a coach even do according to this forum? Madge isn't responsible for our performances and Ivan isn't responsible for his. It's hilarious.

That's not what I said.

If Ivan was really that good, he would have got us to the finals with the full salary cap at his disposal, which he used. He didn't. He parachuted into a gift wrapped side which was already making the finals prior to him coming back and that was before the kids even came on. He did nothing in building what he walked into. When it fell upon him to build the side up here, he failed. Just like all the others.

 

[DJG]

Sack Pascoe and hire someone with some sort of Football Knowledge.

Maybe fire Madge and hire Freddy because every footballer seems to love him.

 

[Geo]

Question for everyonr

If madge does leave...do u hold him in leaving in a higher regard with no bad blood....say as apposed to Cleary

They say there is no such thing as a stupid question… this my friends is the exception to that rule…

 

[cktiger]

Anybody who thinks we will somehow improve greatly by getting rid of Madge and still retaining Brooks to run the team is off with the pixies.
Maguire’s biggest mistake was sticking with Brooks.
I’m not the only one who said this would lead to his downfall.

 

[eyewondertwo]

Throughout the post match interview madge did not address the issue of being beaten so easily by a team which has won only two games previously.
Canterbury have to be excited about their improved prospects next year with their recruitment.
As many forumers would agree the wests tigers future looks exceedingly bleak.
I was excited when Balmain and wests merged as I didn’t want to be flicked like Newtown .
There has to be a major shakeup as performances like yesterday can’t happen again.
If that involves madge being flicked,so be it.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Anybody who thinks we will somehow improve greatly by getting rid of Madge and still retaining Brooks to run the team is off with the pixies.
Maguire’s biggest mistake was sticking with Brooks.
I’m not the only one who said this would lead to his downfall.

We've had all sorts of coaches since Sheens, with varying attitudes and resumes prior to joining. ***None*** of them have had success. And if Madge goes joins them, you can add a premiership winning coach to the mix. This suggests to me that the primary issue is not the coach.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Throughout the post match interview madge did not address the issue of being beaten so easily by a team which has won only two games previously.
Canterbury have to be excited about their improved prospects next year with their recruitment.
As many forumers would agree the wests tigers future looks exceedingly bleak.
I was excited when Balmain and wests merged as I didn’t want to be flicked like Newtown .
There has to be a major shakeup as performances like yesterday can’t happen again.
If that involves madge being flicked,so be it.

Our financial position is good, we have good junior identification and recruitment and there is a framework from which to build a bright future. Bring in Sheens, a new coach, new assistants, the improved pathways and we can get back on track on-field.