Maguire..Raising the Bar..

@Tiger_Steve said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117593) said:
@Spartan117 said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117539) said:
At the end of the day the players need to start winning.

This!

I couldn’t care less about the tournament, it’s format, the refereeing stuff ups (here we go again), the result.

It is no indication of future form.

BUT Madge wants our club to change culture. To be heavyweights. To win.
At the end of the day we lost when a win was going to see us progress. And that’s how it always is. And that’s a problem.

While I'm getting tired of reading the consistent negativity here, and I can't claim to know what Maguires goals were in attending this tournament, I have to agree with your last point. To change WT culture, they need to make a statement consistently. They need to win regardless.
I was musing over WT performance yesterday and while I cant be bothered to work out exactly where we finished in the comp, 9th overall wouldn't surprise me.
 
@NT_Tiger said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117761) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117593) said:
@Spartan117 said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117539) said:
At the end of the day the players need to start winning.

This!

I couldn’t care less about the tournament, it’s format, the refereeing stuff ups (here we go again), the result.

It is no indication of future form.

BUT Madge wants our club to change culture. To be heavyweights. To win.
At the end of the day we lost when a win was going to see us progress. And that’s how it always is. And that’s a problem.

While I'm getting tired of reading the consistent negativity here, and I can't claim to know what Maguires goals were in attending this tournament, I have to agree with your last point. To change WT culture, they need to make a statement consistently. They need to win regardless.
I was musing over WT performance yesterday and while I cant be bothered to work out exactly where we finished in the comp, 9th overall wouldn't surprise me.

Winning a few games doesn’t necessarily make a winning culture, however, a winning culture will translate to constant wins. I wouldn’t get too hung up on wins, it’s not the goal here, it’s the result of achieving many other goals.
 
@twentyforty said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117763) said:
@NT_Tiger said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117761) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117593) said:
@Spartan117 said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117539) said:
At the end of the day the players need to start winning.

This!

I couldn’t care less about the tournament, it’s format, the refereeing stuff ups (here we go again), the result.

It is no indication of future form.

BUT Madge wants our club to change culture. To be heavyweights. To win.
At the end of the day we lost when a win was going to see us progress. And that’s how it always is. And that’s a problem.

While I'm getting tired of reading the consistent negativity here, and I can't claim to know what Maguires goals were in attending this tournament, I have to agree with your last point. To change WT culture, they need to make a statement consistently. They need to win regardless.
I was musing over WT performance yesterday and while I cant be bothered to work out exactly where we finished in the comp, 9th overall wouldn't surprise me.

Winning a few games doesn’t necessarily make a winning culture, however, a winning culture will translate to constant wins. I wouldn’t get too hung up on wins, it’s not the goal here, it’s the result of achieving many other goals.

Well as I said I don't claim to know what Maguires goals were going in to this comp and he may well have just told the team to throw the ball around and have fun. From an outsider's perspective (me), I think having a solid crack at winning the comp would have sent positive messages within the team and to the fans.
 
@NT_Tiger said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117765) said:
@twentyforty said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117763) said:
@NT_Tiger said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117761) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117593) said:
@Spartan117 said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117539) said:
At the end of the day the players need to start winning.

This!

I couldn’t care less about the tournament, it’s format, the refereeing stuff ups (here we go again), the result.

It is no indication of future form.

BUT Madge wants our club to change culture. To be heavyweights. To win.
At the end of the day we lost when a win was going to see us progress. And that’s how it always is. And that’s a problem.

While I'm getting tired of reading the consistent negativity here, and I can't claim to know what Maguires goals were in attending this tournament, I have to agree with your last point. To change WT culture, they need to make a statement consistently. They need to win regardless.
I was musing over WT performance yesterday and while I cant be bothered to work out exactly where we finished in the comp, 9th overall wouldn't surprise me.

Winning a few games doesn’t necessarily make a winning culture, however, a winning culture will translate to constant wins. I wouldn’t get too hung up on wins, it’s not the goal here, it’s the result of achieving many other goals.

Well as I said I don't claim to know what Maguires goals were going in to this comp and he may well have just told the team to throw the ball around and have fun. From an outsider's perspective (me), I think having a solid crack at winning the comp would have sent positive messages within the team and to the fans.


The Dragons had a red hot go. Felt like they were desperate for a win to show us all how things will be different this year. Nines can be a trap imo.
 
@Russell said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117540) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Maguire\.\.Raising the Bar\.\.](/post/1117497) said:
The 9s exposed our lack of pace in the backs for those players who were selected. Hopefully this inspires Maguire to have a better look at lower grade options. Perhaps also an opportunity to move certain backs on to ESL.

What it did - was expose the fact that a proper playmaker was not selected in our team.

I'm not too concerned about playmakers because we have good playmakers who weren't selected. I agree with giving the younger less experienced players time. What is concerning is the chronic lack of pace in the backline. We should have given Dillon and Scolari time on the wings. Perhaps Cini but he needs to improve his defence. In any case, we were exposed and solutions need to be found prior to Round 1.
 

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