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Star trio's exit leaves Maguire seeking stable combinations
Author - Alicia Newton
NRL.com Reporter
Timestamp - Wed 9 Dec 2020, 07:01 AM

Wests Tigers fans wanting to know the make-up of the side in 2021 may have to wait until March with Michael Maguire leaving his options open across several key areas over the off-season.

As he begins his third year at the helm, Maguire is far from satisfied with what the team has accomplished after falling short in their bid to end a dreaded nine-year finals drought.

Getting back into the finals next season will be tough considering arguably their three best players last season – Harry Grant, Benji Marshall and Josh Aloiai – won't be around for varying reasons.

The club now has money to spend with regards to the salary cap after Josh Reynolds' move to English Super League club Hull FC was confirmed on Monday morning.

Maguire didn't set a theme for his players upon their return to pre-season training last week but if there was one word he referred to most in the first week back it's opportunity.

"Are we satisfied with where we are? No, we want to be further ahead to where we are," Maguire told NRL.com.

"Like everyone you have to review it and look at where we can improve. I've been impressed with how the players have turned up back to pre-season so it's now doing the hard work heading towards Christmas and getting as much as we can done."

Despite opting not to renew Marshall's services, Grant returning to Melbourne after his loan deal and Aloiai controversially requesting a release to join Manly next season, Maguire is continuing to move pieces around in a bid to find success.

"We had great times with those boys and have great respect for them," Maguire said.

"But footy clubs go through change and for what we're trying to build we've made a few changes.

"The training levels are growing and we brought in a lot of young guys to debut who now have that understanding in what it takes to play at first-grade level.

"We've got a few fresh faces in and around the organisation so there's a good vibe around the squad."

Creating cultural change
Rumblings of player unrest surfaced towards the end of last season but if anything for Maguire, it showed the club was making necessary changes in a bid to find success after almost a decade without playing in the finals.

Club management has backed Maguire for the long haul and a contract extension is likely to be announced soon.

"There's a lot that has changed internally as well about how we're doing things," Maguire said.

"We need to set a different mindset around our defence, to change to where we want to be.

"We've got to build and concentrate on better processes with how we do things, whether we perform better in attack, defence or conversations – all those things.

"For what we're trying to achieve everyone is extremely hungry for the Wests Tigers to go upwards."

Maguire anticipates the arrival of former Panthers captain James Tamou will help revolutionise a culture that continues to undergo change each year.

"He's a champion fella and right up my alley in how he wants to be around the club," Maguire said.

"He enjoys a lot of things that bring success to a team – hard work and building strong bonds between teammates."

Does that make him captaincy material?

"I'll make a decision down the track with where we're going," Maguire said.

"I'll look at the dynamics and make a call for the team before the season starts."

Replacing Harry and Benji
Grant's brief stint at the club was bittersweet with the popular rake making a huge impact in his 15 appearances – leading to his Origin debut for Queensland – before returning to the Storm.

Along with Marshall, who remains on the lookout for a new club, the pair had 22 try assists between them.

"Jacob Liddle and Jake Simpkin have got a huge opportunity in front of them at dummy half," Maguire said.

"Lids had his knee injury 14 months ago and was going to be our hooker before that so it's his opportunity and Jake is developing well.

"Between those two I see them working really hard together."

As for who replaces Marshall and the rest of the side's spine, Maguire is keeping his playmaking options open.

Marshall's exit at the club, along with the early departure of Reynolds to Super League, leaves Luke Brooks, Moses Mbye and Adam Doueihi as the recognised playmakers in the squad.

Injured utility Billy Walters won't be available until mid-June at the earliest.

"I want a stable combination moving forward and those options will build themselves throughout the pre-season," he said.

"I've got my thoughts on what it might look like but I want to make sure everyone is preparing the best they can before we make any decisions."

Contract noise
The club has become accustomed to never being out of the headlines for long over contract management and this short off-season has been no different.

Former player Josh Addo-Carr's mooted return to the club didn't eventuate, while Aloiai's sudden departure and Joe Ofahengaue's arrival have kept things ticking along over the past week.

However, the latest contract drama revolves around winger David Nofoaluma, who produced arguably his best season for the club in 2020 but has been free to negotiate with rivals since November.

"The stuff with Dave will sort itself out at some point, we've just got to be patient and keep working through it," Maguire said.

"The dealing of contracts is not something we like being brought out in public but that's the way rugby league is at the moment.

"It comes down to the professionalism of your players and understanding that part of the environment."

Maguire also wants to remain active in developing players from local areas.

"We've got a big area around Campbelltown and Balmain we need to keep working on," he said.

"You can't keep them all but you want to make sure you're giving them the opportunity.

"There's a lot of history at the club around losing players in the past but we've got to look forward at the next superstar coming through or great kid coming out of Balmain or Wests.

"They're out there, but you've got to provide the opportunities. I think this year we debuted a lot of guys who are going to help us next year – guys like Shawn Blore, Tommy Talau and Asu Kepaoa and Reece Hoffman."

Centre potential
On their day, James Roberts and Joey Leilua are among the more destructive centres in the game.

For the Wests Tigers, who have struggled with strike power out wide, the next step is to get them firing.

Roberts will be reuniting with Maguire following their brief time together at South Sydney in 2012.

"I think having that relationship is the starting point with Jimmy," Maguire said.

"He knows where he wants to get to and is working hard in that space to achieve it.

"He knows the quality of player he is at his best, it's just about giving himself the best opportunity week-in-week-out to do that.

"He's building himself away from footy. He's told me he'll play anywhere, which is always a good start.

"Both those boys are capable but it's about getting them healthy, fit and happy between the ears.

"If we get that right we know the football they can play, not just the attacking side but defensive aspect as well."
 
"Centre potential
On their day, James Roberts and Joey Leilua are among the more destructive centres in the game.

For the Wests Tigers, who have struggled with strike power out wide, the next step is to get them firing."

Or maybe we get our halves to stop running sideways which cuts out the centres all together. The need early fast ball to be able to unlock the attacking potential
 
Lets hope for stable combo's..cause chopping and changing didn't work..
 
@SeanT said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279848) said:
"Centre potential
On their day, James Roberts and Joey Leilua are among the more destructive centres in the game.

For the Wests Tigers, who have struggled with strike power out wide, the next step is to get them firing."

Or maybe we get our halves to stop running sideways which cuts out the centres all together. The need early fast ball to be able to unlock the attacking potential

This is so true. Roberts needs space. Leilua needs time to build momentum. Our centres are our attacking weapons - they could provide heaps of strike power. Just got to get the ball to them quickly
 
@Tiger_Steve said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279868) said:
@SeanT said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279848) said:
"Centre potential
On their day, James Roberts and Joey Leilua are among the more destructive centres in the game.

For the Wests Tigers, who have struggled with strike power out wide, the next step is to get them firing."

Or maybe we get our halves to stop running sideways which cuts out the centres all together. The need early fast ball to be able to unlock the attacking potential

This is so true. Roberts needs space. Leilua needs time to build momentum. Our centres are our attacking weapons - they could provide heaps of strike power. Just got to get the ball to them quickly

One thing i could never understand with todays modern game is how underutilised centres are in attack. Getting two on two early with space is a goldmine for linebreaks. Defences are better but just feel eams are missing an attacking difference
 
@Geo said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279849) said:
Lets hope for stable combo's..cause chopping and changing didn't work..

Really? Nofo got dropped and came back the next year the best player. I liked that he put players on notice myself
 
@SeanT said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279873) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279868) said:
@SeanT said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279848) said:
"Centre potential
On their day, James Roberts and Joey Leilua are among the more destructive centres in the game.

For the Wests Tigers, who have struggled with strike power out wide, the next step is to get them firing."

Or maybe we get our halves to stop running sideways which cuts out the centres all together. The need early fast ball to be able to unlock the attacking potential

This is so true. Roberts needs space. Leilua needs time to build momentum. Our centres are our attacking weapons - they could provide heaps of strike power. Just got to get the ball to them quickly

One thing i could never understand with todays modern game is how underutilised centres are in attack. Getting two on two early with space is a goldmine for linebreaks. Defences are better but just feel eams are missing an attacking difference

Look at how well the Rorters did it in 2019. They were unstoppable. Game has changed but I reckon that’s the benchmark
 
@SeanT said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279874) said:
@Geo said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279849) said:
Lets hope for stable combo's..cause chopping and changing didn't work..

Really? Nofo got dropped and came back the next year the best player. I liked that he put players on notice myself

It's a good point you raise. Nofoaluma went from doghouse to best player and now is getting a ton of praise from the coach. It's important we keep him because he's like the posterchild of Madge's culture.
 
Along with Marshall, who remains on the lookout for a new club, the pair had 22 try assists between them.

The scary point we needed to really heed

We just lost 44 try assists from 2020 ......
 
@happy_tiger said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279897) said:
Along with Marshall, who remains on the lookout for a new club, the pair had 22 try assists between them.

The scary point we needed to really heed

We just lost 44 try assists from 2020 ......

You on the sauce Hap, as 22 between them doesn't miraculously double?
 
@formerguest said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279914) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279897) said:
Along with Marshall, who remains on the lookout for a new club, the pair had 22 try assists between them.

The scary point we needed to really heed

We just lost 44 try assists from 2020 ......

You on the sauce Hap, as 22 between them doesn't miraculously double?

no i counted twice that lol
 
@SeanT said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279848) said:
Or maybe we get our halves to stop running sideways which cuts out the centres all together. The need early fast ball to be able to unlock the attacking potential

Early ball to the centres is useless against a set defence. You need to get it to the centres after an offload or when there is a quick play the ball. Some one needs to create an overlap, haves running straight does not usually create an overlap, its a few players working to together and forcing the defence to make choices.
 
@happy_tiger said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279915) said:
@formerguest said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279914) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279897) said:
Along with Marshall, who remains on the lookout for a new club, the pair had 22 try assists between them.

The scary point we needed to really heed

We just lost 44 try assists from 2020 ......

You on the sauce Hap, as 22 between them doesn't miraculously double?

no i counted twice that lol

That's the problem with having 2 heads with each one taking a count. Shame about only half a brain though.
 
The combo I’m keen to see develop is Jet & BJ. When they’re on the same side, given clean early ball to BJ. We now have a forward pack to keep defence more compact an get a quick PTB.
 
@twentyforty said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279960) said:
The combo I’m keen to see develop is Jet & BJ. When they’re on the same side, given clean early ball to BJ. We now have a forward pack to keep defence more compact an get a quick PTB.

They will never be on the same side .It’s not union mate
 
@willow said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279838) said:
Roberts will be reuniting with Maguire following their brief time together at South Sydney in 2012.
“I think having that relationship is the starting point with Jimmy,” Maguire said.
"He knows where he wants to get to and is working hard in that space to achieve it.
"He knows the quality of player he is at his best, it’s just about giving himself the best opportunity week-in-week-out to do that.
"He’s building himself away from footy. **He’s told me he’ll play anywhere, which is always a good start.**

Why has no one picked up on this.

To me that suggest he could move him to the wing to accommodate Mybe at centre. If not Mybe Talau, Momo or Kepoa.
 
@Strongee said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279966) said:
@twentyforty said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279960) said:
The combo I’m keen to see develop is Jet & BJ. When they’re on the same side, given clean early ball to BJ. We now have a forward pack to keep defence more compact an get a quick PTB.

They will never be on the same side .It’s not union mate


The really good coaches & players not only know the rules but also know when to break them.
Union? They need to modify that game to bring it into this century.
 
@twentyforty said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279972) said:
@Strongee said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279966) said:
@twentyforty said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279960) said:
The combo I’m keen to see develop is Jet & BJ. When they’re on the same side, given clean early ball to BJ. We now have a forward pack to keep defence more compact an get a quick PTB.

They will never be on the same side .It’s not union mate


The really good coaches & players not only know the rules but also know when to break them.
Union? They need to modify that game to bring it into this century.

Sorry mate but What ? That’s not modifying the game mate !That’s returning it to 1980. The fullback and opposite side half , both setup down that side to create the extra man .

The edge back rower and centre run various combinations of lines , to confuse the defence , with the second receiver and fullback creating the width , and variation to create the extra man .
The reason you can’t do what your saying is , if you do , all your backs are on one side and if the play dies , you now have to take a settler and waste a tackle , whilst also allowing the defence to adjust to any advantage you’ve gained on the other side of the field.
 
@willow said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279838) said:
Getting back into the finals next season will be tough considering arguably their three best players last season – Harry Grant, Benji Marshall and Josh Aloiai – won’t be around for varying reasons.

Is this goose serious that these were our three best players? (yes to Harry of course)
 
@Strongee said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279974) said:
@twentyforty said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279972) said:
@Strongee said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279966) said:
@twentyforty said in [Maguire seeking stable combinations](/post/1279960) said:
The combo I’m keen to see develop is Jet & BJ. When they’re on the same side, given clean early ball to BJ. We now have a forward pack to keep defence more compact an get a quick PTB.

They will never be on the same side .It’s not union mate


The really good coaches & players not only know the rules but also know when to break them.
Union? They need to modify that game to bring it into this century.

Sorry mate but What ? That’s not modifying the game mate !That’s returning it to 1980. The fullback and opposite side half , both setup down that side to create the extra man .

The edge back rower and centre run various combinations of lines , to confuse the defence , with the second receiver and fullback creating the width , and variation to create the extra man .
The reason you can’t do what your saying is , if you do , all your backs are on one side and if the play dies , you now have to take a settler and waste a tackle , whilst also allowing the defence to adjust to any advantage you’ve gained on the other side of the field.


Sorry mate, I’m not really interested in union, was forced to play it for a couple of seasons, but couldn’t be bothered .
 
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