happy_tiger
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@gallagher said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347452) said:
I'd lean towards Flanagan ..reckon Benny will be looking after Firecats / Firebirds side
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I'd lean towards Flanagan ..reckon Benny will be looking after Firecats / Firebirds side
TillLindemann
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@happy_tiger said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347477) said:
Surely we couldn't sign a cheat.
Jedi_Tiger
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it would be Bennett's greatest challenge... we would be left like Newcastle was and St George a wreck ...we are that already lol
happy_tiger
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@tilllindemann said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347481) said:
Who cares ...only way we can possibly stay competitive is a bit of cheating
gallagher
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@happy_tiger said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347485) said:
And we already have one in charge so.........
@rihannafan1 said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347098) said:
Mr Chammas dislikes Maguire...
jrtiger
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I think this could seriously be Madge's last week in the job. I'll be incredibly surprised if he sees out the next month, let alone the whole year. I have always wanted him to succeed and have a lot of respect for him, but his messages just don't seem to be getting across.
I genuinely think he's still living in the 2010s. 5 hitups and a bomb, pedestrian block shapes, the odd inside ball. The most rigid interchange rotation I've ever seen. Our attitude in defence is pathetic. It's clear the players aren't listening. Bomber is a young coach that is tuned into the modern game. So is Cameron Ciraldo. Flanagan I'm not sure about. If Bennett was to come he'd bring assistants like Hornby who understand the way the game is supposed to be played in this day and age. Madge won't let that happen because he's clearly scarred by the Seibold experience and its reflected in our outdated style of footy.
And finally, someone tell our Chairman to get out of the news and into the boardroom and to sort this mess out, and tell our CEO to get his hands off the football department before we lose Hartigan, who is the best thing that's happened to our club since we made the finals.
I genuinely think he's still living in the 2010s. 5 hitups and a bomb, pedestrian block shapes, the odd inside ball. The most rigid interchange rotation I've ever seen. Our attitude in defence is pathetic. It's clear the players aren't listening. Bomber is a young coach that is tuned into the modern game. So is Cameron Ciraldo. Flanagan I'm not sure about. If Bennett was to come he'd bring assistants like Hornby who understand the way the game is supposed to be played in this day and age. Madge won't let that happen because he's clearly scarred by the Seibold experience and its reflected in our outdated style of footy.
And finally, someone tell our Chairman to get out of the news and into the boardroom and to sort this mess out, and tell our CEO to get his hands off the football department before we lose Hartigan, who is the best thing that's happened to our club since we made the finals.
avocadoontoast
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@geo said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347494) said:
So you're saying this is all agenda driven by Chammas and Madge is safe?
pawsandclaws1
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@geo said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347494) said:
But there is a story to write and blaming the messenger is unhelpful.
pawsandclaws1
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Can anybody confirm the information in an earlier post that our players are not taught defensive structures?
@avocadoontoast said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347496) said:
I'm saying jurno's don't need leaks to publish speculative articles..that is their business...Just 2 weeks ago he basically said the opposite..yes a week is a long time in footy ...
Chammas claimed there was to be a meeting within 48 hrs...there is no meeting..
gallagher
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@jrtiger said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347495) said:
I reckon they sack him after the filming of the doco.
avocadoontoast
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@geo said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347503) said:
Do you think Madge is safe?
@avocadoontoast said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347505) said:
At the moment Yes..
avocadoontoast
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@geo said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347508) said:
That's disappointing.
BAGNF05
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@gallagher said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347504) said:
Ahh the famous doco. Just what we needed as a club this year. Along with all the other time and money being spent on needless pursuits that do nothing to help us win at rugby league. We need someone in charge who doesn’t take their eye off the ball.
happy_tiger
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@geo said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347508) said:
Moments pass .....safe now ??
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The numbers that show why Maguire is in the crosshairs at Tigers
By Michael Chammas
April 26, 2021 — 5.00am
Michael Maguire equalled Jason Taylor on Sunday as the second-longest serving coach in Wests Tigers history. His record is now worse.
In his 51 games as Wests Tigers coach, Maguire has won just 19 at a rate of 37.3 per cent. Even Taylor, who was sacked just three rounds into the 2017 season in the hope of keeping the now defunct big four, had a better record.
Granted, new coaches are always given time to rebuild, but time is now revealing that this may be more than just a Wests Tigers problem. Perhaps there’s a Michael Maguire problem?
In Maguire’s last 51 games in charge of a star-studded Rabbitohs side, his success rate was even worse (18 wins) than it is now at the Wests Tigers.
The mood in the dressing rooms following a 46-6 loss to Canberra in the nation’s capital four years ago was enough to convince the Tigers to pull the trigger on Taylor. Club hierarchy decided that Taylor had lost the dressing room. They would have been wondering the same thing again after the Anzac Day demolition at the hands of Manly at Bankwest Stadium.
The players aren’t without fault, but they don’t appear to be playing for the jersey or the coach. The club held those fears over the summer. It’s why they would only give Maguire a two-year extension if he agreed to specific performance-based clauses that allowed them to spear him without a huge financial hit.
While the Tigers need to be applauded for nabbing some of the best young players in the game, the fact they can’t attract any big name quality players isn’t a good reflection of the coach.
In an interview in the preseason, Maguire tried to sugar-coat it by saying he didn’t want players who were afraid of hard work. Having spoken to several players about the Tigers, the concern isn’t about hard work, but being over-worked.
Since Benji Marshall turned back the clock on Friday night to lead South Sydney to a come-from-behind win against the Titans, questions have been asked as to why the Tigers let him go. But those suggesting the Tigers should have done more to keep Marshall are oblivious to what went on in Marshall’s last season at the club. What he could offer the team on a football field became irrelevant.
The only way Marshall could have stayed at the Wests Tigers and it not blow up in their face was if the club chose him over Maguire. That’s how badly their relationship had soured.
At the time, sacking the coach was a non-negotiable. But what Rabbitohs coach Wayne Bennett has since been able to extract from a 36-year-old Marshall is just one reason why Maguire is no longer on such solid ground.
Maguire’s decision to drop Marshall after round four was the beginning of the end for the Kiwi at the club. Marshall felt so disrespected, and hard done by given his Dally M-leading form over the opening month of the season, that his strong relationship with the coach deteriorated rapidly.
Marshall was so upset with how things played out that he did not want his wife and son at his final game. He even left the match ball that was presented to him inside the change rooms at Bankwest Stadium, and had to be begged to attend the club’s presentation a few nights later.
Maguire would never talk about it publicly, but multiple sources within the club have told the Herald the Tigers coach began to question Marshall’s influence on the team.
Internally, there was a feeling the narrative – that the coach had lost the dressing room – stemmed from Marshall’s discontent towards him. That may have been the case, but perhaps someone at the club should have listened to what was being said, not who was saying it.
Young Tiger’s grief
It’s been an emotionally draining few weeks for boom Wests Tigers prop Stefano Utoikamanu – not that you would have known by the way he has been playing.
Utoikamanu was given time off this week to attend the funeral of his 17-year-old cousin Elijah Faalua, the Newcastle Knights Harold Matthews player who died in a car accident earlier this month.
Faalua died at the scene after he was thrown from the front passenger seat after the 17-year-old driver crashed into a barrier on a private road near Cessnock.
Those at a packed funeral service Newcastle on Tuesday said images of Faalua’s distraught mother refusing to let go of her son’s casket will live with them for the rest of their lives. The Tigers gave Utoikamanu time off this week to be with his family.
It’s been a tough six months for the former Parramatta prop, who also lost one of his best friends when Manly up-and-comer Keith Titmuss tragically died following a Manly preseason training session last November.
By Michael Chammas
April 26, 2021 — 5.00am
Michael Maguire equalled Jason Taylor on Sunday as the second-longest serving coach in Wests Tigers history. His record is now worse.
In his 51 games as Wests Tigers coach, Maguire has won just 19 at a rate of 37.3 per cent. Even Taylor, who was sacked just three rounds into the 2017 season in the hope of keeping the now defunct big four, had a better record.
Granted, new coaches are always given time to rebuild, but time is now revealing that this may be more than just a Wests Tigers problem. Perhaps there’s a Michael Maguire problem?
In Maguire’s last 51 games in charge of a star-studded Rabbitohs side, his success rate was even worse (18 wins) than it is now at the Wests Tigers.
The mood in the dressing rooms following a 46-6 loss to Canberra in the nation’s capital four years ago was enough to convince the Tigers to pull the trigger on Taylor. Club hierarchy decided that Taylor had lost the dressing room. They would have been wondering the same thing again after the Anzac Day demolition at the hands of Manly at Bankwest Stadium.
The players aren’t without fault, but they don’t appear to be playing for the jersey or the coach. The club held those fears over the summer. It’s why they would only give Maguire a two-year extension if he agreed to specific performance-based clauses that allowed them to spear him without a huge financial hit.
While the Tigers need to be applauded for nabbing some of the best young players in the game, the fact they can’t attract any big name quality players isn’t a good reflection of the coach.
In an interview in the preseason, Maguire tried to sugar-coat it by saying he didn’t want players who were afraid of hard work. Having spoken to several players about the Tigers, the concern isn’t about hard work, but being over-worked.
Since Benji Marshall turned back the clock on Friday night to lead South Sydney to a come-from-behind win against the Titans, questions have been asked as to why the Tigers let him go. But those suggesting the Tigers should have done more to keep Marshall are oblivious to what went on in Marshall’s last season at the club. What he could offer the team on a football field became irrelevant.
The only way Marshall could have stayed at the Wests Tigers and it not blow up in their face was if the club chose him over Maguire. That’s how badly their relationship had soured.
At the time, sacking the coach was a non-negotiable. But what Rabbitohs coach Wayne Bennett has since been able to extract from a 36-year-old Marshall is just one reason why Maguire is no longer on such solid ground.
Maguire’s decision to drop Marshall after round four was the beginning of the end for the Kiwi at the club. Marshall felt so disrespected, and hard done by given his Dally M-leading form over the opening month of the season, that his strong relationship with the coach deteriorated rapidly.
Marshall was so upset with how things played out that he did not want his wife and son at his final game. He even left the match ball that was presented to him inside the change rooms at Bankwest Stadium, and had to be begged to attend the club’s presentation a few nights later.
Maguire would never talk about it publicly, but multiple sources within the club have told the Herald the Tigers coach began to question Marshall’s influence on the team.
Internally, there was a feeling the narrative – that the coach had lost the dressing room – stemmed from Marshall’s discontent towards him. That may have been the case, but perhaps someone at the club should have listened to what was being said, not who was saying it.
Young Tiger’s grief
It’s been an emotionally draining few weeks for boom Wests Tigers prop Stefano Utoikamanu – not that you would have known by the way he has been playing.
Utoikamanu was given time off this week to attend the funeral of his 17-year-old cousin Elijah Faalua, the Newcastle Knights Harold Matthews player who died in a car accident earlier this month.
Faalua died at the scene after he was thrown from the front passenger seat after the 17-year-old driver crashed into a barrier on a private road near Cessnock.
Those at a packed funeral service Newcastle on Tuesday said images of Faalua’s distraught mother refusing to let go of her son’s casket will live with them for the rest of their lives. The Tigers gave Utoikamanu time off this week to be with his family.
It’s been a tough six months for the former Parramatta prop, who also lost one of his best friends when Manly up-and-comer Keith Titmuss tragically died following a Manly preseason training session last November.
GNR4LIFE
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@happy_tiger said in [Maguire's job not on the line: Lee Hagipantelis](/post/1347382) said:
This drives me nuts. What’s the big deal about his connection to the Kiwi’s? He coaches them once a year, if that.
