TigerFlame
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@NJLM78 said:
Hilighted the ones i agree on and i will add Utai and Blair.
Major clean out required
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Hilighted the ones i agree on and i will add Utai and Blair.
whoneedstherapy
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There's definitely a comfort factor involved with the current squad & our recruitment has been questionable. The idea behind getting Benji involved more has it's merits in theory but it's much harder for him to make the impact running through the middle where he gets monstered and our supercoach should've picked that up by now and changed tact.
I'd be happy to see Sheens moved upstairs to director of football and a younger, no nonsense coach come in to shake things up a little. It's probably more realistic than us punting him altogether considering the bond he has with the players.
Humble, reddy & blair haven't offered anything… i'd swap the three of them for 1 x Mitch Brown & 1 X Brycey back in our strip again.... not that it would happen.
Matt Bell can stay, he has been great, BMM has come along well this season but i think junior moors is struggling to offer a reason to hang around. Groat can stay as we need the size but we need a bit of work there...
Would anyone else loved to have Simon Dwyer still fully fit?
I'd be happy to see Sheens moved upstairs to director of football and a younger, no nonsense coach come in to shake things up a little. It's probably more realistic than us punting him altogether considering the bond he has with the players.
Humble, reddy & blair haven't offered anything… i'd swap the three of them for 1 x Mitch Brown & 1 X Brycey back in our strip again.... not that it would happen.
Matt Bell can stay, he has been great, BMM has come along well this season but i think junior moors is struggling to offer a reason to hang around. Groat can stay as we need the size but we need a bit of work there...
Would anyone else loved to have Simon Dwyer still fully fit?
Tigerdave
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@whoneedstherapy said:
Dwyer and TnT, also would have loved that Lui not do what he did.
Chadman_s_Ghost
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Not convinced a major cleanout will actually improve this squad.
In fact, I think the team will be getting exactly what it needs by introducing Anasta. They need direction & consistancy on the field. Anasta will provide an experienced head that has led teams for many years. He should be a good on field leader, taking some of the pressure off Marshall to produce everything. I honestly believe Marshall tries too hard now- that he feels he needs to constantly create opportunities on his own. Sometimes it works, but now the team has fallen into the trap that they simply rely on him to provide them everything. Even Farah doesn't offer as many creative options as he used to. I wonder if Anasta might play 1 off the ruck more & allow Marshall to move a little wider?
The team probably needs 1 more 'momentum' prop to allow Galloway & Woods a breather without impacting the teams momentum so much. I'd hoped that player would be Groat. It might still be. BMM is a good player in that mould- 1 more of him should do it.
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If those 2 things happen- direction on the field & the addition of 1 more 'momentum' forward (Pettybourne?), I think the other issues the team has are minimised dramatically.
In fact, I think the team will be getting exactly what it needs by introducing Anasta. They need direction & consistancy on the field. Anasta will provide an experienced head that has led teams for many years. He should be a good on field leader, taking some of the pressure off Marshall to produce everything. I honestly believe Marshall tries too hard now- that he feels he needs to constantly create opportunities on his own. Sometimes it works, but now the team has fallen into the trap that they simply rely on him to provide them everything. Even Farah doesn't offer as many creative options as he used to. I wonder if Anasta might play 1 off the ruck more & allow Marshall to move a little wider?
The team probably needs 1 more 'momentum' prop to allow Galloway & Woods a breather without impacting the teams momentum so much. I'd hoped that player would be Groat. It might still be. BMM is a good player in that mould- 1 more of him should do it.
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If those 2 things happen- direction on the field & the addition of 1 more 'momentum' forward (Pettybourne?), I think the other issues the team has are minimised dramatically.
We need at least one more prop
we need a seasoned or even a real halfback
we need some backrowers to come through the juniors
we need everyone who is involved with the coaching and training of this side i.e. head, assitants, fitness, defensive, recovery etc….to get the arse.
A total cleanout of the management of this side so the players can be reinvigorated. Maybe some just swap positions....but none stay in their current roles....this side has been too ordinary for too long. We cant keep relying on amazing winning streaks at the end of each season to get us into the finals then watch the team bundled out as the players are too buggered to compete.
I suggest giving a couple of big name players the punt as well....however I want to see them under new team management first.
we need a seasoned or even a real halfback
we need some backrowers to come through the juniors
we need everyone who is involved with the coaching and training of this side i.e. head, assitants, fitness, defensive, recovery etc….to get the arse.
A total cleanout of the management of this side so the players can be reinvigorated. Maybe some just swap positions....but none stay in their current roles....this side has been too ordinary for too long. We cant keep relying on amazing winning streaks at the end of each season to get us into the finals then watch the team bundled out as the players are too buggered to compete.
I suggest giving a couple of big name players the punt as well....however I want to see them under new team management first.
I think like Chadman's Ghost that we aren't that far away from being a team that can perform.
I think we need to get rid of Blair or play him as a reserve prop and replace him with an edge runner of the footy on the left side of the field. Maybe Blair can play at lock.
BMM needs a role but I just don't see him as being able to have a major impact on the side for long periods. Yes he is a potential impact player but he seems to miss some tackles and be a little inconsistent. Still he has ability and needs to find a role in the squad somewhere.
I think we need to get rid of Blair or play him as a reserve prop and replace him with an edge runner of the footy on the left side of the field. Maybe Blair can play at lock.
BMM needs a role but I just don't see him as being able to have a major impact on the side for long periods. Yes he is a potential impact player but he seems to miss some tackles and be a little inconsistent. Still he has ability and needs to find a role in the squad somewhere.
tigermaniac
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If Sheens can't coach us to a win this week, the question should be asked, why have we failed, not just against Parra but 2012\. I'd love his version on a break down of every loss, I bet my assessment is different to his. No longer should injuries be used as a get out of jail card. Injuries are a part of the game. Your two strike player RF and BM have played almost every game and Teddy hasn't yet been proven. Depth, speed and halfback has been our failure. Geez I'm so glad so many supporters have realized we have a major problem. We can't all be wrong. We don't get paid to support our team, we do it from the heart. This is our religion. Do the right thing Tim. For the faithful. Please explain.
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Tigersmurf
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Maybe we are soft through the guts, and after all that huffing and puffing Matty John was right all along!
Fade_To_Black
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@stryker said:
I wouldn't call our season's in 2010 and 2011 ordinary…especially 2010 when we were only a dodgy refereeing decision (Smith kneeing Lote) away from a GF.
We need to stop making stupid errors and decisions on the field (ie: short drop-outs and ridiculously low percentage options) to begin with. We are the ONLY team in the comp that does this regularly. I'm sure Sheens doesn't coach them to do this however he probably doesn't absolutely blast them for trying them either like he should.
His constant playing of players out of position to cover for an injury is insane IMO as is his leaving players on the bench and bringing them on with 5 mins to go.
WT need to move on from thinking we are the entertainers of the NRL (2005 is a distant memory) and take some notice of how the good, consistant and successful teams operate year after year. This year has been a train wreck almost from the get-go, hope 2013 is a bit more enjoyable :sign:
Fade_To_Black
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@EggButterRoll99 said:
Bit harsh on Bell I reckon- he hasn't done anything wrong. He would be the first bloke I would pick every week, he is more substance than style (unlike most of the other wannabe TV stars and interview darlings in our squad).
cqtiger
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guys, playing players out of position is done at EVERY club when injuries strike. Each team has a top 25 squad if too many players are promoted from outside of this squad then it impacts on the salary cap. Coaches play them out of position for this very reason.
Fade_To_Black
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@cqtiger said:
Yeah sometimes you have to play players out of position-but at least minimize the disruption FFS. We have no halfback so to rectify that we move a champion 5/8 to half then back to 5/8, a champion hooker to halfback, give a workhorse 2nd rower a go at 5/8 or a centre that can't play 5/8 (Lawrence or Ayshford). Move our best winger to centre also.
The shuffling of players to this extent is ridiculous and we just keep seeing it time after time (Sheens keeps banging on about not weakening one position to strengthen another but goes ahead and does it anyhow). Baffling :wtf
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artful_dodger
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@bundyboy said:
Please please please we will make the 8 & make an impact
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I don't think a mass cleanout is the solution. The coach is common denominator and the problems on field are due to his hopeless selections, use of the bench, recruitment and retention.
The board continues to extend his contract is also a big problem.
We have the players, if anyone had to be cut I'd be looking at these players:
Tim Moltzen
Adam Blair
Lote Tuqiri
Joel Reddy
Tom Humble
Ray Cashmere
Chris Heighington
Matt Utai
We have Koroibete who can replace Tuqiri, Tedesco will be fullback, Simona is better than Reddy, Murdoch-Masila and Bell will/should soon be starters.
What we need is a halfback, I'd personally be happy to have Miller in that role.
We also need another quality front rower.
I don't really look forward to Anasta at 6 in our team. I'd prefer if he played at halfback or at Lock.
They isn't really much that needs to change. We have plenty of great young talents at the club who can slot into the backline tomorrow, but simply aren't getting a chance.
Use the freed up cash to pay out Blair's contract and possibly buy another second rower of Ellis' quality, like Greg Bird etc.
The board continues to extend his contract is also a big problem.
We have the players, if anyone had to be cut I'd be looking at these players:
Tim Moltzen
Adam Blair
Lote Tuqiri
Joel Reddy
Tom Humble
Ray Cashmere
Chris Heighington
Matt Utai
We have Koroibete who can replace Tuqiri, Tedesco will be fullback, Simona is better than Reddy, Murdoch-Masila and Bell will/should soon be starters.
What we need is a halfback, I'd personally be happy to have Miller in that role.
We also need another quality front rower.
I don't really look forward to Anasta at 6 in our team. I'd prefer if he played at halfback or at Lock.
They isn't really much that needs to change. We have plenty of great young talents at the club who can slot into the backline tomorrow, but simply aren't getting a chance.
Use the freed up cash to pay out Blair's contract and possibly buy another second rower of Ellis' quality, like Greg Bird etc.
I think whilst there are some big decisions to be made at the end of the season, they don't involve a mass clean out. You'd have to agree that Tuqiri has probably played his last game here. Perhaps Utai too. Re-signing him would be a step backwards. I do believe there'll be question marks surrounding one of either Heighington or Fulton (Hopefully not Liam, as he derserves to stay). Based on what we're bringing in i think we're in surplus for the second row. Reddy i believe was only ever a filler for this year, i expect he'll be shopped around. You'd also have to believe that based on lack of opportunity, Humble and/or Chisholm will move on and if not, then difinitely Miller.
I think the club will resign Groat, so Cashmere will move on again. Iosefa i can see hanging around too. He has enough value to be offered terms i believe at least for next season.
I think the club will resign Groat, so Cashmere will move on again. Iosefa i can see hanging around too. He has enough value to be offered terms i believe at least for next season.
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