Manly Salary cap issue

[Bob]

I can’t see them ever punishing the teams or the players.

1) would you really want your cronks, Tedesco’s or whoever quitting and playing for a rival code after you slapped a suspension on them? I’m sure Rugby Union would be frothing at the mouth for that opportunity.

2) would you as NRL CEO really want to lose the tens of thousands of supports to A-League who is growing stronger every season just because you have made their team unable to compete by placing impossible restrictions on them?

The only thing they can do is what they are hinting at doing. If anyone is found to be compliant in salary cap breaches those people are de registered from doing business with the NRL. Agents who are found guilty or aiding players extra payments are also de registered.

The problem is it needs to get harsher and more strict. If any company is found to be paying any deregisted agent or person. Then that company can no longer be permitted to deal with the NRL or club. Because at the moment there are de registered agents who are working for companies who are agents for players. So they are really just one step removed. Deregisted board members are working for companies who provide expertise to clubs, so again they are just 1 step removed from where they are.

There are very few agents in the NRL, and few CEO’s and board members. Nobody really cares about them outside the inner NRL sanctum. Eradicate the crooked ones and make the replacements fearful of bankruptcy and never being able to work again and the rot will stop. If not get rid of them with the next graduating class at uni.

 

[happy_tiger]

I can’t see them ever punishing the teams or the players.

1) would you really want your cronks, Tedesco’s or whoever quitting and playing for a rival code after you slapped a suspension on them? I’m sure Rugby Union would be frothing at the mouth for that opportunity.

2) would you as NRL CEO really want to lose the tens of thousands of supports to A-League who is growing stronger every season just because you have made their team unable to compete by placing impossible restrictions on them?

The only thing they can do is what they are hinting at doing. If anyone is found to be compliant in salary cap breaches those people are de registered from doing business with the NRL. Agents who are found guilty or aiding players extra payments are also de registered.

The problem is it needs to get harsher and more strict. If any company is found to be paying any deregisted agent or person. Then that company can no longer be permitted to deal with the NRL or club. Because at the moment there are de registered agents who are working for companies who are agents for players. So they are really just one step removed. Deregisted board members are working for companies who provide expertise to clubs, so again they are just 1 step removed from where they are.

There are very few agents in the NRL, and few CEO’s and board members. Nobody really cares about them outside the inner NRL sanctum. Eradicate the crooked ones and make the replacements fearful of bankruptcy and never being able to work again and the rot will stop. If not get rid of them with the next graduating class at uni.

Bob

Mate they can leave if they want and we should tell them there is no coming back either

Funny how quickly superstars step up and fill their shoes

 

[momo_amp_medo]

How exactly would you find out a player has been given cash by a “sponsor” under the table… just explain your investigative methodology.. I’m guessing you wouldn’t have a clue where to look...

The NRL aren't interested, otherwise they could have put something in the new collective bargaining agreement. A starting point would be look at the players lifestyle and estimated expenditure based on what they are paid.

Another fairly obvious point is why would the player move there for 300k when he was offered 500k elsewhere.

And how do they make an assessment on a players lifestyle…. you want them to follow them.. do surveillance.. and who moved where for less ...? And is that necessarily a sign...? I would say some players would value winning over money ... maybe not 300 over 500 but 700 over 800...

Put something in the CBA.. .? So the players union would happily sign off on something that limited players earnings .? Have you been under a rock these last 12 months .?

Transparency is what they need. And why make it so clubs can't organise the payments? They do anyway. Who really cares who organises it, why not change that rule? Change it so clubs can organise them (which they will continue to do) and then declare all payments must be declared to the NRL for cap reasons and tax reasons.

The closest idea I can think of to fair, is requiring a minimum percentage of each player's total pay to be included in the cap. So Teddy earns $600k in the cap, and another $600k from TPAs. The rules could say at least 75% has to be under the cap, so if he's getting paid $1.2m, 75% of that is $900k which needs to be "included under the cap".

Any finding of undisclosed payments (which sure the clubs would try to continue) could be met Very harshly. Deregistering of players and massive hits from the club's future salary cap. If that punishment happens just a couple of times the players would soon do the right thing.

Not perfect, but might be better than what we have now.

All payments to players should be registered by the NRL, included in the cap and published.
Than it’s up to the Australian Tax Office “ Black economy” audit boys to do their thing.

 

[jirskyr]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/teams/sea-eagles/manly-sea-eagles-ceo-faces-nrl-expulsion-over-salary-cap-infringements/news-story/896557dfc6c82ba17c33683c5723a93c

It comes just 24 hours after Sydney Roosters chief executive Joe Kelly, the former Sea Eagles boss, was revealed as the other NRL club official to face deregistration.

Kelly and Bare worked together at Brookvale when the alleged third-party breaches occurred.

The Sydney Roosters will staunchly defend Kelly, who returns from a trip to Bali on Friday.

Well-placed sources claim Kelly is a man of integrity who has enormous support in the game.

Bare was overlooked for the Manly CEO job last month when co-owner Scott Penn appointed Lyall Gorman as club boss.

If anyone was ever unconvinced of the Roosters' sway over the media and top-end of town, look at this article.

Bare and Kelly both fingered in the Manly salary cap issue, though Kelly is apparently a model citizen and Bare… well we aren't making allegations, but let's just say there's a reason he was overlooked for the CEO job at Manly.

But Joe Kelly, our sources say he's A Top Guy. And of course not cooking the books at Roosters like he allegedly did at Manly.

 

[Geo]

TPA's must have NRL approval now…I don't know what people don't get...the legal one's are fine ..a player has a right to earn off their own brand/image..

The dodgy one's alleged here at Manly and at Parra in 2015 are not..would not have been registered with the NRL..hence the BREACH notices..

 

[Pawsandclaws]

TPA's must have NRL approval now…I don't know what people don't get...the legal one's are fine ..a player has a right to earn off their own brand/image..

The dodgy one's alleged here at Manly and at Parra in 2015 are not..would not have been registered with the NRL..hence the BREACH notices..

A little confusing that the lady providing some TPAs to Manly (and is registered with the NRL according to her) believes her TPAs are being examined?

 

[Bob]

I can’t see them ever punishing the teams or the players.

1) would you really want your cronks, Tedesco’s or whoever quitting and playing for a rival code after you slapped a suspension on them? I’m sure Rugby Union would be frothing at the mouth for that opportunity.

2) would you as NRL CEO really want to lose the tens of thousands of supports to A-League who is growing stronger every season just because you have made their team unable to compete by placing impossible restrictions on them?

The only thing they can do is what they are hinting at doing. If anyone is found to be compliant in salary cap breaches those people are de registered from doing business with the NRL. Agents who are found guilty or aiding players extra payments are also de registered.

The problem is it needs to get harsher and more strict. If any company is found to be paying any deregisted agent or person. Then that company can no longer be permitted to deal with the NRL or club. Because at the moment there are de registered agents who are working for companies who are agents for players. So they are really just one step removed. Deregisted board members are working for companies who provide expertise to clubs, so again they are just 1 step removed from where they are.

There are very few agents in the NRL, and few CEO’s and board members. Nobody really cares about them outside the inner NRL sanctum. Eradicate the crooked ones and make the replacements fearful of bankruptcy and never being able to work again and the rot will stop. If not get rid of them with the next graduating class at uni.

Bob

Mate they can leave if they want and we should tell them there is no coming back either

Funny how quickly superstars step up and fill their shoes

Easy to say that, even easier if your not the man who is responsible for the revenue and survival of the sport.

 

[TCL]

I can’t see them ever punishing the teams or the players.

1) would you really want your cronks, Tedesco’s or whoever quitting and playing for a rival code after you slapped a suspension on them? I’m sure Rugby Union would be frothing at the mouth for that opportunity.

2) would you as NRL CEO really want to lose the tens of thousands of supports to A-League who is growing stronger every season just because you have made their team unable to compete by placing impossible restrictions on them?

The only thing they can do is what they are hinting at doing. If anyone is found to be compliant in salary cap breaches those people are de registered from doing business with the NRL. Agents who are found guilty or aiding players extra payments are also de registered.

The problem is it needs to get harsher and more strict. If any company is found to be paying any deregisted agent or person. Then that company can no longer be permitted to deal with the NRL or club. Because at the moment there are de registered agents who are working for companies who are agents for players. So they are really just one step removed. Deregisted board members are working for companies who provide expertise to clubs, so again they are just 1 step removed from where they are.

There are very few agents in the NRL, and few CEO’s and board members. Nobody really cares about them outside the inner NRL sanctum. Eradicate the crooked ones and make the replacements fearful of bankruptcy and never being able to work again and the rot will stop. If not get rid of them with the next graduating class at uni.

Bob

Mate they can leave if they want and we should tell them there is no coming back either

Funny how quickly superstars step up and fill their shoes

Easy to say that, even easier if your not the man who is responsible for the revenue and survival of the sport.

There has to be consequences.not sure what the answer is but we cant be afraid that another code is going to take a cheater away.

Anyway, no guarantee that changing codes is going to bring the player success. There are some who have done well but as many have have floundered.

Soccer is doing ok but they are no different to any other sport or code. Team does well and the crowds respond. Haven't heard much from GWS supporters this year.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

TPA's must have NRL approval now…I don't know what people don't get...the legal one's are fine ..a player has a right to earn off their own brand/image..

The dodgy one's alleged here at Manly and at Parra in 2015 are not..would not have been registered with the NRL..hence the BREACH notices..

I get it …... But total player earnings are not published.
If a player is receiving payments which are not being registered by the NRL and/or declared for taxation purposes than its an ATO matter to deal with.

 

[Harvey]

My understanding is that most of the now contentious Manly TPA,s had NRL approval. So can we deregister all involved at the NRL, including Greenberg?

 

[happy_tiger]

TPA's must have NRL approval now…I don't know what people don't get...the legal one's are fine ..a player has a right to earn off their own brand/image..

The dodgy one's alleged here at Manly and at Parra in 2015 are not..would not have been registered with the NRL..hence the BREACH notices..

The problem for me is how many are 100 % legal

How many are pre planned by the club without any links to player managers ??

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The only way to pinch players on dodgy* TPA's is to work with the ATO. Not sure how kosher that is or what legal hurdles you'll encounter trying to access that information. NRL might be able to find some sort of argument if they are protecting integrity of the game. Who knows…

*Dodgy club organised TPA's with club associated third parties that are off the books.

 

[4jtigers]

TPA's must have NRL approval now…I don't know what people don't get...the legal one's are fine ..a player has a right to earn off their own brand/image..

The dodgy one's alleged here at Manly and at Parra in 2015 are not..would not have been registered with the NRL..hence the BREACH notices..

The problem for me is how many are 100 % legal

How many are pre planned by the club without any links to player managers ??

The plot thickens - when are they going to look into the Roosters, Rabbits and Storms books? The boats, the cars, what else? Free coffee, etc etc etc.

 

[barra]

TPA's must have NRL approval now…I don't know what people don't get...the legal one's are fine ..a player has a right to earn off their own brand/image..

The dodgy one's alleged here at Manly and at Parra in 2015 are not..would not have been registered with the NRL..hence the BREACH notices..

The problem for me is how many are 100 % legal

How many are pre planned by the club without any links to player managers ??

And that, Hap, is why the system is broken!