Marina Go - Members Q&A

[goldcoast_tiger]

"Certainly we want to make the finals by year 3, we are not going to waver from that"
How lucky we all are with such lofty ambitions.

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Is that year three starting from the beginning of 2015?like the original plan
Is it starting from now, ?
Is it starting from the start of 2018?
Or is it starting from the end of 2018 ?
This could be the most fluid 3 years in the history,
And if we can't even afford 85k now where do we get these players from, when most finish contracts by 2018?
And when is Brian Smith doing his next review, his last one went well
Did we get a refund on the last one? It seems that he missed a lot of things.

 

[innsaneink]

Ah it's funny, no matter who speaks, they cop a belting from the supporters.

Basically if you win we don't care what the mgmt. says, if we lose, they can't say anything.

It's usually bs…Most people.dont swallow it hook line and sinker

 

[cunno]

Thanks Ms Go for the presentation. Whilst the message wasn't great news, those listening have had some confirmation of where the club is at. The club is now under close scrutiny of the NRL in terms of it's management and as such the club is being run according to a business model acceptable to the NRL to make up for previous dubious decisions eg back ended contracts and management. I understand that the 'mess' has to be cleaned up but I hope that the NRL keeps members, supporters, sponsors in mind during the whole process so that Wests Tigers don't end up defunct because as an organisation it has been stripped back to an extent to start again. If not managed properly this 'stripping' could put us way behind the eight ball compared to the other clubs and we may not catch up for years or to the point of extinction/relocation.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Most, including myself, may not like what we are hearing, but at least we are being provided a platform to be informed.

 

[diedpretty]

For those wishing to see Part 3 of the Q and A here is a link -why Part 2 is not out I have no idea. For those who think we have a competent board with no leaks - sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWdLRJh0pUc&feature=youtu.be

 

[Sabre]

Did anyone else find the message behind what a lot of Marina was saying to be "Members and fans don't know anything so they should all just shut up"?

 

[diedpretty]

Yea she does come across that way - I sometimes think her confidence is tinged with a dose of arrogance.

 

[innsaneink]

Thanks Ms Go for the presentation. Whilst the message wasn't great news, those listening have had some confirmation of where the club is at. The club is now under close scrutiny of the NRL in terms of it's management and as such the club is being run according to a business model acceptable to the NRL to make up for previous dubious decisions eg back ended contracts and management. I understand that the 'mess' has to be cleaned up but I hope that the NRL keeps members, supporters, sponsors in mind during the whole process so that Wests Tigers don't end up defunct because as an organisation it has been stripped back to an extent to start again. If not managed properly this 'stripping' could put us way behind the eight ball compared to the other clubs and we may not catch up for years or to the point of extinction/relocation.

Good post.
I wonder why it was allowed to get to this stage.
I thought the cap was to protect clubs from themselves….I thought we were always monitored and audited. ...it seems others have stood by and watched us dig ourselves deeper and deeper....While doing nothing.
I know WTs have to take responsibility for our own actions....but when you have a watchdog overseeing all this and all clubs (apparently) then what's the point of them being there if we are allowed to screw ourselves so badly.
WTs really deserve to be very very heavily penalized Imo. ...I know people will point to the next 3 years in this regard....but WTs putting us thru that is why they should be penalized...Our club has effectively brought the game into disrepute imo

 

[diedpretty]

We keep talking about the next 3 yrs - I think the bigger issue is March 2016 when Balmains fate is decided. In Part 3 Go touches on the possibility of Balmain selling its share. From what I know Wests at their last AGM said they had no interest in purchasing any further stake in WT. The whole makeup of WT and its governance will be better known in less than 12 months. If Balmain clear their debt or sell their share then the current board will no longer exist.

 

[kiwitiger]

We keep talking about the next 3 yrs - I think the bigger issue is March 2016 when Balmains fate is decided. In Part 3 Go touches on the possibility of Balmain selling its share. From what I know Wests at their last AGM said they had no interest in purchasing any further stake in WT. The whole makeup of WT and its governance will be better known in less than 12 months. If Balmain clear their debt or sell their share then the current board will no longer exist.

And I think that this "sorting out of the cap" etc is just for this reason. To make us more attractive for someone to invest in. Once our financial side is tidied up someone may find us a more viable proposition. The NRL doesn't want to have to run us

 

[mctiger]

We keep talking about the next 3 yrs - I think the bigger issue is March 2016 when Balmains fate is decided. In Part 3 Go touches on the possibility of Balmain selling its share. From what I know Wests at their last AGM said they had no interest in purchasing any further stake in WT. The whole makeup of WT and its governance will be better known in less than 12 months. If Balmain clear their debt or sell their share then the current board will no longer exist.

And I think that this "sorting out of the cap" etc is just for this reason. To make us more attractive for someone to invest in. Once our financial side is tidied up someone may find us a more viable proposition. The NRL doesn't want to have to run us

I have reviewed old press releases but can't find where the nrl arrangements are short term or dependent on the Balmain situation. If Balmain come good I suspect the 2 Wests 2 balmain and 3 nrl would remain. It was designed to ensure the two sides work together and I can't see the nrl wanting this to cease cause Balmain are financial. In fact I suspect it would be needed more than ever….

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[diedpretty]

We keep talking about the next 3 yrs - I think the bigger issue is March 2016 when Balmains fate is decided. In Part 3 Go touches on the possibility of Balmain selling its share. From what I know Wests at their last AGM said they had no interest in purchasing any further stake in WT. The whole makeup of WT and its governance will be better known in less than 12 months. If Balmain clear their debt or sell their share then the current board will no longer exist.

And I think that this "sorting out of the cap" etc is just for this reason. To make us more attractive for someone to invest in. Once our financial side is tidied up someone may find us a more viable proposition. The NRL doesn't want to have to run us

I have reviewed old press releases but can't find where the nrl arrangements are short term or dependent on the Balmain situation. If Balmain come good I suspect the 2 Wests 2 balmain and 3 nrl would remain. It was designed to ensure the two sides work together and I can't see the nrl wanting this to cease cause Balmain are financial. In fact I suspect it would be needed more than ever….

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I suspect Wests are only hanging around to March to see how this pans out. At present they are paying $2 mill into WT, hold a 50% shareholding and have virtually no say on how the club is run due to the NRL controlled board. That's pretty poor business and I would suspect that unless they had a bigger say they will walk away. It also will make it difficult for Balmain to sell their share to an outside organization if they can't guarantee that the new half owner will have say how things are run. The perfect setup would be 3 board members from each of the shareholders and an NRL appointed Chairperson to vote on stalemates.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Anyone else have a feeling Liverpool council are making the play and a move to Liverpool on the cards? The member day there too.

Hope so

 

[supercoach]

Just watched Marina's presentation, and I got the impression she is a very slick operator and sold her spin well.

My concerns are, she still expects us to climb the ladder next year and be final bound in 2017, my question to her is, how do we achieve this success if we can not buy any new talent for another two years, and of course how do we attract new talent when we finally clear some cap space???

 

[balmain boy]

When did she say we weren't making any signings? Must have missed that part.

Next season, unlikely unless another club pays half, but after that who knows.

As expected didn't say anything we didn't know.

Those complaining about ambitions, you know nothing about management. what if she says we'll make the eight next season? If we don't, they'll look like fools and be under pressure. Of course she's not going to over promise no matter how confident the board might be. Temper expectations. Under promise, over deliver..

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[cunno]

Thanks Ms Go for the presentation. Whilst the message wasn't great news, those listening have had some confirmation of where the club is at. The club is now under close scrutiny of the NRL in terms of it's management and as such the club is being run according to a business model acceptable to the NRL to make up for previous dubious decisions eg back ended contracts and management. I understand that the 'mess' has to be cleaned up but I hope that the NRL keeps members, supporters, sponsors in mind during the whole process so that Wests Tigers don't end up defunct because as an organisation it has been stripped back to an extent to start again. If not managed properly this 'stripping' could put us way behind the eight ball compared to the other clubs and we may not catch up for years or to the point of extinction/relocation.

Good post.
I wonder why it was allowed to get to this stage.
I thought the cap was to protect clubs from themselves….I thought we were always monitored and audited. ...it seems others have stood by and watched us dig ourselves deeper and deeper....While doing nothing.
I know WTs have to take responsibility for our own actions....but when you have a watchdog overseeing all this and all clubs (apparently) then what's the point of them being there if we are allowed to screw ourselves so badly.
WTs really deserve to be very very heavily penalized Imo. ...I know people will point to the next 3 years in this regard....but WTs putting us thru that is why they should be penalized...Our club has effectively brought the game into disrepute imo

Interesting point about the salary cap audit process and how it is supposed to stop clubs from overspending thereby protecting them (in theory) from themselves and overspending. As you have pointed out, it has been ineffective in our case. I suspect there are other clubs run in a similar way to the way ours has been in the past however they have not been found out because they are coping financially and therefore the spotlight hasn't touched them yet, if at all due to being propped up by third parties be they clubs or individuals. The other unfortunate thing, from my understanding, is that whilst others made the mess others are now left to clean it up and others (us the supporters and members) are left with the pain so to speak.

 

[Blackpearl]

Anyone else have a feeling Liverpool council are making the play and a move to Liverpool on the cards? The member day there too.

Hope so

If the general public knew about the liverpool council "leadership"and their dealings, all I would say is …. Out of the fat, into the fire.
Just what a struggling weststigers need !

 

[Sabre]

Taylor taken out of context? That made me laugh, how many times has he said it - and meant it. I think that there has been quite a few members complaining about not renewing - I think that's why the "out of context" comment. Trying to limit the damage now.

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Had to laugh at that myself as well, it's not taken out of context when they are the words he used and on multiple occasions. She also completely disregarded the 2nd part of the question about if results don't matter and 2016 is a write off then why should we buy membership.

Fwiw, it was me who submitted that question.

 

[the_third]

Marina go: hasn't worked out the difference between a corporate and a club yet. When she does she will be deadly.

Liverpool: as long as the council has no say, don't care where we are based. Any local council should be kept well away from our club they have already done enough to rip us apart.

Ownership. Privatise us as long as we stay in Sydney and maintain the Balmain/Wests heritage I'm ok with that. He'll even have the members buy us.

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[jirskyr]

Thanks Ms Go for the presentation. Whilst the message wasn't great news, those listening have had some confirmation of where the club is at. The club is now under close scrutiny of the NRL in terms of it's management and as such the club is being run according to a business model acceptable to the NRL to make up for previous dubious decisions eg back ended contracts and management. I understand that the 'mess' has to be cleaned up but I hope that the NRL keeps members, supporters, sponsors in mind during the whole process so that Wests Tigers don't end up defunct because as an organisation it has been stripped back to an extent to start again. If not managed properly this 'stripping' could put us way behind the eight ball compared to the other clubs and we may not catch up for years or to the point of extinction/relocation.

Good post.
I wonder why it was allowed to get to this stage.
I thought the cap was to protect clubs from themselves….I thought we were always monitored and audited. ...it seems others have stood by and watched us dig ourselves deeper and deeper....While doing nothing.
I know WTs have to take responsibility for our own actions....but when you have a watchdog overseeing all this and all clubs (apparently) then what's the point of them being there if we are allowed to screw ourselves so badly.
WTs really deserve to be very very heavily penalized Imo. ...I know people will point to the next 3 years in this regard....but WTs putting us thru that is why they should be penalized...Our club has effectively brought the game into disrepute imo

You comments raised an idea I hadn't considered before.

Considering our chairperson used to alternate frequently, and our CEOs never lasted more than 4 or so years, I wonder how often the decision makers are more concerned about short-term gain rather than long-term plans. They might talk long-term plans, but what's the point worrying about Years 5 and 6 if you need to see yourself through Years 1-2 first.

It's kind of like governments, they might talk long-term, but everything is dependent on making it to and winning the next election, hence most plans are 3-4 year jobs. Hence back-loading of contracts might become a "worry about it later" or "won't be my problem" issue.

I wonder to what extend previous decision makers were more concerned about getting players on-board, retaining key signatures etc., than the long-term implications. There's evidence enough from the early WT that people are very good at wasting money and making stupid decisions.

As for bringing the game into disrepute, I would argue this is no worse than any other club and not even as bad as our previous worst efforts re Hopoate. Even just quickly - Sharks and coach and peptides, Raiders and coach turnover, Knights private ownership, Parra and Manly board-level struggles, Storm and Bulldogs salary cap scandals etc.