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[goldcoast_tiger]

If we said he wouldn't make the 8, then we would be right'
if he doesn't make the 8 then he HAS failed, even more so , now that some of the usual top 8 teams have imploded, or lost most of their points
When people had an opinion on where we would be this year, I don't think any of them counted on Manly, Easts, Souths being at the bottom, equal or behind us.
It's a lot easier to make the 8 than the last couple of seasons

You absolutely amaze me GT.

We win games and it is because they were under strength or they played really bad against us. So it is not how we played, it is what the other team did or didn't do.

Now on the ladder, it is not that we have accumulated 'x' amount of points by winning games, it is because other teams have imploded or are going to lose points for cap cheating.

Can we ever win anything or do well in your eyes - I don't think so. Lol

Jeez , you read some weird stuff into other people's post.
I'l try again,
In the beginning of the season when we were all talking about where we would come,
I doubt that anyone , when making predictions , would have thought that Mamly , the Roosters, and Souths would have been in the bottom 4\. Would you disagree on that????

Therefore There are holes in the top 8 that VERY FEW would have envisaged.
Also Parra losing their points , puts them in with the other three mentioned teams.
So yes , take those teams out of the top 8, and I would say that it is a lot easier to make the top 8 this year than in the last few years.
I never mentioned games that we've played, but since you have,
Its fair to say that we've hardly set the world on fire in a lot of our games.
We got points , and that's fine. But if you are satisfied with what we've done so far, well good for you.
And you may be surprised, but EVERY game IS , about not only , "how we played, ) but also "what the other team did, or didn't do) Both things have a bearing on games

Conversely, one could say that due to improvement in the standard required to win games this season, the above mentioned teams are struggling to make the eight in a more competitive environment.

Either way, I am happy to have Marina as our independent chair.

No offence meant, but this would've been( so far) apart fromThree or four teams possibly the lowest overall standard comp that I've seen for quite a while.

 

[Geo]

I tipped Manly and Souff's would slide…I also tipped us to be undefeated Minor Premiers and Eventual Premiers...those 1st 2 weeks were awesome..

 

[stevetiger]

Why not? It would be only the 4th yr in our existence we've qualified for the semi's.

Question for the JT critics. How many of you expected us to make the finals this yr under Taylor? I'm assuming very few. So, how can us missing out on the 8 be considered a failure?

This year I expected to have a good season which to me means make the finals but I said that there was some things that were risks or concerns:-

1\. Our halves. I think they needed to improve and they were a risk. Nothing much has changed from my perspective. When they are playing well they are great but they are still too inconsistent. I don't blame Taylor for this.
2\. Sironen. I think we needed a forward to step up. I think that signing ET basically makes this less of an issue. Taylor has made good decisions in relation to playing Aloiai out wide as well.
3\. The coach. To me he was a risk because of the defensive only game plans that he has promoted which is losing footy. I think that we've had the same problem this year but less so. He has also handled the Robbie situation poorly. In my opinion the coach is still a risk to this team performing to their ability.

To answer your question simply - yes not making the finals is a failure.

 

[happy_tiger]

Why not? It would be only the 4th yr in our existence we've qualified for the semi's.

Question for the JT critics. How many of you expected us to make the finals this yr under Taylor? I'm assuming very few. So, how can us missing out on the 8 be considered a failure?

This year I expected to have a good season which to me means make the finals but I said that there was some things that were risks or concerns:-

1\. Our halves. I think they needed to improve and they were a risk. Nothing much has changed from my perspective. When they are playing well they are great but they are still too inconsistent. I don't blame Taylor for this.
2\. Sironen. I think we needed a forward to step up. I think that signing ET basically makes this less of an issue. Taylor has made good decisions in relation to playing Aloiai out wide as well.
3\. The coach. To me he was a risk because of the defensive only game plans that he has promoted which is losing footy. I think that we've had the same problem this year but less so. He has also handled the Robbie situation poorly. In my opinion the coach is still a risk to this team performing to their ability.

To answer your question simply - yes not making the finals is a failure.

So every season the coaches that finish 9th -16th should be sacked who has defensive minded game plans ??

Probably every coach in that group

WOW just WOW :roll

I'm starting to work out why you don't come out with opinions and ideas

 

[TrueTiger]

Why not? It would be only the 4th yr in our existence we've qualified for the semi's.

Question for the JT critics. How many of you expected us to make the finals this yr under Taylor? I'm assuming very few. So, how can us missing out on the 8 be considered a failure?

This year I expected to have a good season which to me means make the finals but I said that there was some things that were risks or concerns:-

1\. Our halves. I think they needed to improve and they were a risk. Nothing much has changed from my perspective. When they are playing well they are great but they are still too inconsistent. I don't blame Taylor for this.
2\. Sironen. I think we needed a forward to step up. I think that signing ET basically makes this less of an issue. Taylor has made good decisions in relation to playing Aloiai out wide as well.
3\. The coach. To me he was a risk because of the defensive only game plans that he has promoted which is losing footy. I think that we've had the same problem this year but less so. He has also handled the Robbie situation poorly. In my opinion the coach is still a risk to this team performing to their ability.

To answer your question simply - yes not making the finals is a failure.

So every season the coaches that finish 9th -16th should be sacked who has defensive minded game plans ??

Probably every coach in that group

WOW just WOW :roll

I'm starting to work out why you don't come out with opinions and ideas

Steve,can I just say it is very,very difficult to keep winning games if your very young inexperienced team doesn't know how to play to the NRL defensive structures,Taylor dedicated most of last year teaching and coaching them for THEIR benefit ,this year he is starting to reap the benefits of that coaching in the form of gritty hard fought games,and some SMART attacking play..can you just take a step back and understand these things don't happen overnight…patients and hard work are what's needed....
As W.Bennett said once about the Broncos " we play to a structure and don't stray from that structure,that's why we win games"....

 

[Geo]

Why not? It would be only the 4th yr in our existence we've qualified for the semi's.

Question for the JT critics. How many of you expected us to make the finals this yr under Taylor? I'm assuming very few. So, how can us missing out on the 8 be considered a failure?

This year I expected to have a good season which to me means make the finals but I said that there was some things that were risks or concerns:-

1\. Our halves. I think they needed to improve and they were a risk. Nothing much has changed from my perspective. When they are playing well they are great but they are still too inconsistent. I don't blame Taylor for this.
2\. Sironen. I think we needed a forward to step up. I think that signing ET basically makes this less of an issue. Taylor has made good decisions in relation to playing Aloiai out wide as well.
3\. The coach. To me he was a risk because of the defensive only game plans that he has promoted which is losing footy. I think that we've had the same problem this year but less so. He has also handled the Robbie situation poorly. In my opinion the coach is still a risk to this team performing to their ability.

To answer your question simply - yes not making the finals is a failure.

So every season the coaches that finish 9th -16th should be sacked who has defensive minded game plans ??

Probably every coach in that group

WOW just WOW :roll

I'm starting to work out why you don't come out with opinions and ideas

Happy….. Steve thinks Taylor goes out on the field during games and has those straps on the players parents use on their 2yo...haven't you figured that out yet,,,

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I tipped Manly and Souff's would slide…I also tipped us to be undefeated Minor Premiers and Eventual Premiers...those 1st 2 weeks were awesome..

:smiley:

 

[stevetiger]

Why not? It would be only the 4th yr in our existence we've qualified for the semi's.

Question for the JT critics. How many of you expected us to make the finals this yr under Taylor? I'm assuming very few. So, how can us missing out on the 8 be considered a failure?

This year I expected to have a good season which to me means make the finals but I said that there was some things that were risks or concerns:-

1\. Our halves. I think they needed to improve and they were a risk. Nothing much has changed from my perspective. When they are playing well they are great but they are still too inconsistent. I don't blame Taylor for this.
2\. Sironen. I think we needed a forward to step up. I think that signing ET basically makes this less of an issue. Taylor has made good decisions in relation to playing Aloiai out wide as well.
3\. The coach. To me he was a risk because of the defensive only game plans that he has promoted which is losing footy. I think that we've had the same problem this year but less so. He has also handled the Robbie situation poorly. In my opinion the coach is still a risk to this team performing to their ability.

To answer your question simply - yes not making the finals is a failure.

So every season the coaches that finish 9th -16th should be sacked who has defensive minded game plans ??

Probably every coach in that group

WOW just WOW :roll

I'm starting to work out why you don't come out with opinions and ideas

No one is stating anything at all like you are stating. Stop getting aboard the JT spin brigade. It to hard to discuss this topic rationally with you when you spin stuff.

 

[stevetiger]

Steve,can I just say it is very,very difficult to keep winning games if your very young inexperienced team doesn't know how to play to the NRL defensive structures,Taylor dedicated most of last year teaching and coaching them for THEIR benefit ,this year he is starting to reap the benefits of that coaching in the form of gritty hard fought games,and some SMART attacking play..can you just take a step back and understand these things don't happen overnight…patients and hard work are what's needed....
As W.Bennett said once about the Broncos " we play to a structure and don't stray from that structure,that's why we win games"....

I disagree with your reading of how we are going at this point. I think JT supporters have bought into the line that JT had to teach them structures and now we are winning games. I think the players are first grade players and all of our coaches have been teaching them structures. I honestly think it's delusional to think otherwise. I also don't think our defence has been unbelievable at all. I think we've won some more games simply because we've been playing more attacking footy.

I do agree that all teams need a structure. That is what every first grade team has. The problem with JT is that he has taught our team poor structures and we've lost games because of that. To be fair to JT I think he has realized how poorly he was coaching the team and has changed that approach.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Steve,can I just say it is very,very difficult to keep winning games if your very young inexperienced team doesn't know how to play to the NRL defensive structures,Taylor dedicated most of last year teaching and coaching them for THEIR benefit ,this year he is starting to reap the benefits of that coaching in the form of gritty hard fought games,and some SMART attacking play..can you just take a step back and understand these things don't happen overnight…patients and hard work are what's needed....
As W.Bennett said once about the Broncos " we play to a structure and don't stray from that structure,that's why we win games"....

I disagree with your reading of how we are going at this point. I think JT supporters have bought into the line that JT had to teach them structures and now we are winning games. I think the players are first grade players and all of our coaches have been teaching them structures. I honestly think it's delusional to think otherwise. I also don't think our defence has been unbelievable at all. I think we've won some more games simply because we've been playing more attacking footy.

I do agree that all teams need a structure. That is what every first grade team has. The problem with JT is that he has taught our team poor structures and we've lost games because of that. To be fair to JT I think he has realized how poorly he was coaching the team and has changed that approach.

What do you honestly think was structured about any football the Tigers have played since 2005? When was the last time this team (not just this year, any year gone by,) put in an 80 minute effort, both with and without the ball?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Why not? It would be only the 4th yr in our existence we've qualified for the semi's.

Question for the JT critics. How many of you expected us to make the finals this yr under Taylor? I'm assuming very few. So, how can us missing out on the 8 be considered a failure?

This year I expected to have a good season which to me means make the finals but I said that there was some things that were risks or concerns:-

1\. Our halves. I think they needed to improve and they were a risk. Nothing much has changed from my perspective. When they are playing well they are great but they are still too inconsistent. I don't blame Taylor for this.
2\. Sironen. I think we needed a forward to step up. I think that signing ET basically makes this less of an issue. Taylor has made good decisions in relation to playing Aloiai out wide as well.
3\. The coach. To me he was a risk because of the defensive only game plans that he has promoted which is losing footy. I think that we've had the same problem this year but less so. He has also handled the Robbie situation poorly. In my opinion the coach is still a risk to this team performing to their ability.

To answer your question simply - yes not making the finals is a failure.

So every season the coaches that finish 9th -16th should be sacked who has defensive minded game plans ??

Probably every coach in that group

WOW just WOW :roll

I'm starting to work out why you don't come out with opinions and ideas

We're not talking about any other Coach but Taylor, and the reason behind it is his record at this club. Nothing else

Hewas a complete joke last season, getting us to equal last. And hasn't set the world on fire so far this season. And some of our hardest games are yet to come.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

How many would swap Taylor for Barrett?

 

[matty_tiepie]

I would keep Taylor over Barrett

 

[happy_tiger]

Steve I'm not spinning anything at all

Read through the Potter threads , I wanted him to get a go with his own squad and on calls

Now I'm offering the exact same support to Taylor, I thought Taylor had it wrong with starting with Halatau , read through that thread as well

I don't back Taylor at every corner , I just defend him from people who think that 2005 is going to return tomorrow and we can play football that isn't what all the continual contenders actually play week in week out

The difference is I see the problems that nincompoop Mayer created and we are still paying for and see the limitations in our squad at the moment

You see our squad as Top 8 material , I don't at the moment , I just see potential still and potential means jack if it doesn't bloom from there and in many cases it hasn't on a consistent basis

I see Taylor making decisions with this team that no other coach has had the balls to make over the life time of this club and I reckon he will probably get the sack before he sees the fruition of his work as well

If Taylor succeeds the Wests Tigers succeed long term , it should be something every Wests Tigers supporter prays for to the football Gods before going to bed every night

Not bag him out

 

[southerntiger]

Exactly Happy. People were screaming for years for a coach to do a cleanout. Taylor does that and the same people scream at him for doing it.

We were poor last year no doubt. But a large part of that was a massive overhaul of how we play footy. Changing a side from being heavily reliant on one player to a side that now wins more games without that same player was a massive achievement. Sure it meant a tough period but we are slowly starting to benefit from it.

Once again, that doesnt mean Taylor should stay but I am confident that Taylor will be a massive influence on any future success we have, even if he isnt here to take the credit.

 

[stevetiger]

Steve,can I just say it is very,very difficult to keep winning games if your very young inexperienced team doesn't know how to play to the NRL defensive structures,Taylor dedicated most of last year teaching and coaching them for THEIR benefit ,this year he is starting to reap the benefits of that coaching in the form of gritty hard fought games,and some SMART attacking play..can you just take a step back and understand these things don't happen overnight…patients and hard work are what's needed....
As W.Bennett said once about the Broncos " we play to a structure and don't stray from that structure,that's why we win games"....

I disagree with your reading of how we are going at this point. I think JT supporters have bought into the line that JT had to teach them structures and now we are winning games. I think the players are first grade players and all of our coaches have been teaching them structures. I honestly think it's delusional to think otherwise. I also don't think our defence has been unbelievable at all. I think we've won some more games simply because we've been playing more attacking footy.

I do agree that all teams need a structure. That is what every first grade team has. The problem with JT is that he has taught our team poor structures and we've lost games because of that. To be fair to JT I think he has realized how poorly he was coaching the team and has changed that approach.

What do you honestly think was structured about any football the Tigers have played since 2005? When was the last time this team (not just this year, any year gone by,) put in an 80 minute effort, both with and without the ball?

I think every club in the comp gets given a game plan and a structure. I think it's delusional to think otherwise. If you seriously believe that not to be the case then we can agree to disagree.

 

[stevetiger]

We're not talking about any other Coach but Taylor, and the reason behind it is his record at this club. Nothing else

Hewas a complete joke last season, getting us to equal last. And hasn't set the world on fire so far this season. And some of our hardest games are yet to come.

Exactly. All I'm doing is judging Taylor on how he has performed since he has been with us. If he turns this season around I will back him for next season. If not I won't. Everyone else is entitled to their own opinions but that is the way I see it.

 

[supercoach]

Who ever coached our mob over the past four years would have had their hands full of problems that made winning near impossible. Things like the salary cap,Balmain side of the JV going broke,lack of dollars,lack of TPA's and the culture of the playing group.

All these things take time to fix and we are now starting to get a glimpse of what this team is capable of. Anyway I think Taylor is probably your Brian Smith type coach, you get him in to do all the dirty work,than you get in a more polished people manager type coach when all the dirty work is done.

When you think of it we were robbed in both the Knights and storm games,so we could have easily been on 18 points now and bar the dogs and raiders games we have been in the contest for most of the games. So some one must be doing something right in the coaching department.

 

[Eddie]

Exactly Happy. People were screaming for years for a coach to do a cleanout. Taylor does that and the same people scream at him for doing it.

We were poor last year no doubt. But a large part of that was a massive overhaul of how we play footy. Changing a side from being heavily reliant on one player to a side that now wins more games without that same player was a massive achievement. Sure it meant a tough period but we are slowly starting to benefit from it.

Once again, that doesnt mean Taylor should stay but I am confident that Taylor will be a massive influence on any future success we have, even if he isnt here to take the credit.

What i dont think you guys understand…..

Not many are disagreeing with Taylor's principals. He has made some hard calls and he is doing some good work in putting in some good structures around the place. He has improved things on the injury front and is trying to fix our defence and our roster. I think he has done some good things around the place.

However coaching is not all about "structures and systems" It is not all about game plans. It is not all about talking a good game.

Coaching at the NRL level is about being a great man manager and intense motivator which is crucial to an NRL team succedding.

The guy could have the best game plans, best "structures and systems" in the world yet if blokes dont want to run through a brick wall for him he will always he a lowly NRL coach.

The jury is out on Taylor well and truly on this and rightly so. Lets see how we go when the pressure in on these last 10 weeks.

 

[Geo]

Who ever coached our mob over the past four years would have had their hands full of problems that made winning near impossible. Things like the salary cap,Balmain side of the JV going broke,lack of dollars,lack of TPA's and the culture of the playing group.

All these things take time to fix and we are now starting to get a glimpse of what this team is capable of. Anyway I think Taylor is probably your Brian Smith type coach, you get him in to do all the dirty work,than you get in a more polished people manager type coach when all the dirty work is done.

When you think of it we were robbed in both the Knights and storm games,so we could have easily been on 18 points now and bar the dogs and raiders games we have been in the contest for most of the games. So some one must be doing something right in the coaching department.

Great post…hard to argue with any of that...I look at 2015/6 as raising the Titanic with 2017 and beyond in view...