MEET the Kangaroos' Generation Next.

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MEET the Kangaroos' Generation Next.

A gifted bunch of footballers who are all Maori ink, Auckland passports and "how the bloody hell do you sing Advance Australia Fair, cuz?"

With the Australian Rugby League Commission yet to sort league's shambolic eligibility laws, there is a chance these Junior Kiwis could one day play for the Australian Kangaroos.

In fact, The Daily Telegraph can reveal it was this squad of 19 young men - 10 of whom already represent Australian Toyota Cup sides - that formed much of the discussion when New Zealand Rugby League officials met with the commissioners in Townsville over the weekend to thrash out the eligibility crisis.

Only hours before James Tamou demolished his countrymen wearing a Kangaroos jersey and Maori tattoos, a series of ideas were debated inside a meeting called specifically to keep these young Kiwis in black.

It's understood the ARLC discussed three different eligibility options, one of which insists a player can only represent Australia, and therefore be eligible for State of Origin, once he has lived here for 50 per cent of his life.

Therefore, a New Zealander who moves to Australia aged eight can represent Australia once he turns 16\. However, a Kiwi who moves here at 16 is not eligible until he turns 32.

Tamou, who moved to Australia at 13, would still be representing New Zealand under this model. The Kangaroos' 18th man Ben Te'o, a Junior Kiwi who represented Samoa at the 2008 World Cup, would also be wearing black.

Asked how it felt to watch the prop dubbed "Aussie Jim" tear his Kiwis apart on Saturday night, NZRL chairman Scott Carter said: "Oh, look, certainly there is some irony to it. But over the past two days we've covered a lot of ground with the commission regarding eligibility laws.

"I'm not going to reveal exactly what was discussed, but we're hoping before the start of next season there will be rules in place so this latest batch of Junior Kiwis . . . they'll be staying in black jerseys."

Of this current batch of Junior Kiwis, 10 are already playing Toyota Cup with Australian clubs in NSW or . . . worse . . . Queensland.

Already, Carter has voiced his concern about Maroons coach Mal Meninga and his cronies "hanging from the trees in Townsville" to get a look at his boys.

Living in Queensland and playing for the Cowboy' Toyota Cup side are backrower Jason Taumalolo and winger Wayne Ulugia. Next year, centre Curtis Rona will join them. Meninga will also have an eye on backrower Tohu Harris and 18th man Jeremy Hawkins, aligned with Melbourne and the Raiders respectively.

Given the way Tamou played, you can circle a blue target around boom Roosters fullback Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Cronulla halfback Penani Manumalealii and Tigers props Mosese Fotuaika and Jesse Sue.

The Junior Kiwis bench also included Tupou Sopoaga (Canterbury Bulldogs) and Apirana Pewhairangi (Newcastle Knights).

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haha whats going on, another decent article by the tele? lol
 
Yep they need to sort this garbage out ASAP. The international game is already dying a slow death I reckon with this elegibility situation in it's current state of being a major balls-up.

Watching the National Anthem being sung and the players playing for that particular country either refusing to sing it as confirmation that they know they are playing for a different team than what they are supposed to be playing for, or just flat out not having a clue of the words is ludacris and a massive blight on the game at international level.

Takes just about all of the genuine passion out of the contest, I wonder what the families of these various turncoats feel deep-down, pride or shame?
 
It stems from state of origin, we fix that it fixes international
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How hard is it to extend the residency rule, so you have to live somewhere for say 15 years rather than 3\. If you also make players pledge eligibility when they sign their first senior contract and tell them if they want to change they must wait 2 full years before they can rep the new country you will filter a lot of the crap out. The fact a kid can move to Australia at 15 on a junior contract and by the time they hit first grade be eligible for the Kangaroos is ridiculous and where a lot of the problems come from.

The other solution is to have tighter eligibility rules for SOO and making them exclusive from international eligibility rules (ie a player can rep NSW and New Zealand, or Qld and England if they fit both criteria).
 
The problem is the fact the NZRL are doing nothing for the game of RL…

They didnt complain when they picked Nathan Fien; they didnt complain when they picked Frank Pritchard; they didnt complain when they picked Josh Hoffman...

Kick NZ Warriors out of the Comp and see what they are left with!!!
 
The NZRL can fix this very simply

Have their own SOO series North v South Island Run it simultaneously with our SOO series and then we could run it on weekends Do the same in NYC

Put the pride back in their islands and country

Friday Night run the 2 NYC games live

Saturday NZ SOO game

Sunday Qld V NSW

This solves 3 or 4 issues including player welfare , stand alone rep weekends , player eligibility and will help revive Test Footy
 
@happy tiger said:
The NZRL can fix this very simply

Have their own SOO series North v South Island Run it simultaneously with our SOO series and then we could run it on weekends Do the same in NYC

Put the pride back in their islands and country

Friday Night run the 2 NYC games live

Saturday NZ SOO game

Sunday Qld V NSW

This solves 3 or 4 issues including player welfare , stand alone rep weekends , player eligibility and will help revive Test Footy

Thats a good idea but i don't think the problem is not having enough representative time - its the amount of money SOO players receive - there is talk of $50,000 per game next year - unless the NZRL can match this sort of money the problem will remain.
 
Should be where you were born for every representative team. If you were born in samoa and moved to australia when you were 2 too bad, you can't play for australia. If you were born in perth you can't play for qld or nsw, seems like the only way to not have any grey area
 
The debate generated about the eligibility to represent Australia borders on the farcical. Rugby League must be the only sport in this country that considers that a young man who migrated to Australia with his family as a 13 year old should not be permitted to represent his adopted country. What nonsense!

The farce is heightened even further when Tamou’s “loyalty” is questioned but nothing is said about the “loyalty” of the three Australian born and raised players who represented New Zealand the other night. Three Australians representing New Zealand is a little on the light side too - I recall Ray Warren mentioned that there were 7 Australians playing for NZ in the Anzac Test earlier this year.

If the eligibility rules proposed in the article above were applied to NZ, they would struggle to raise a competitive team.

I’m appalled that so much criticism has been leveled at Tamou. Benji is a major offender in this case and he is simply being a hypocrite given the Aussies in the Kiwi team.

Players such as Tamou (and Pritchard et al) should be left to make their own decisions, without interference from others.

Cheers

Fibro
 
Australia doesn't need them.
Juniors Roos smashed the Junior Kiwis. We have plenty of eligible Australians who will be very good without having to raid the Kiwi team.
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@diedpretty said:
@happy tiger said:
The NZRL can fix this very simply

Have their own SOO series North v South Island Run it simultaneously with our SOO series and then we could run it on weekends Do the same in NYC

Put the pride back in their islands and country

Friday Night run the 2 NYC games live

Saturday NZ SOO game

Sunday Qld V NSW

This solves 3 or 4 issues including player welfare , stand alone rep weekends , player eligibility and will help revive Test Footy

Thats a good idea but i don't think the problem is not having enough representative time - its the amount of money SOO players receive - there is talk of $50,000 per game next year - unless the NZRL can match this sort of money the problem will remain.

Money shouldn't be a problem if you sell separate broadcasting rights for the games
 
@fibrodreaming said:
The debate generated about the eligibility to represent Australia borders on the farcical. Rugby League must be the only sport in this country that considers that a young man who migrated to Australia with his family as a 13 year old should not be permitted to represent his adopted country. What nonsense!

The farce is heightened even further when Tamou’s “loyalty” is questioned but nothing is said about the “loyalty” of the three Australian born and raised players who represented New Zealand the other night. Three Australians representing New Zealand is a little on the light side too - I recall Ray Warren mentioned that there were 7 Australians playing for NZ in the Anzac Test earlier this year.

If the eligibility rules proposed in the article above were applied to NZ, they would struggle to raise a competitive team.

I’m appalled that so much criticism has been leveled at Tamou. Benji is a major offender in this case and he is simply being a hypocrite given the Aussies in the Kiwi team.

Players such as Tamou (and Pritchard et al) should be left to make their own decisions, without interference from others.

Cheers

Fibro

It's a good point although I'd argue there is a difference between qualifying through heritage and qualifying through residency. Also if it was a decision based solely on the player's beliefs it would be easier to handle but SOO and the extra money it earns players is a massive factor in this. For some of them nationality is a secondary consideration to being eligible for SOO.
 
A big problem is how big union is over here. The attractiveness to play league is growing, but it will never match that of union.
The eligibility rules need to be changed, I agree.
You guys preach you don't need our NZ talent, yet you continue to poach players. Especially Meninga!
I agree that Fien is barely a kiwi, but again he, along with Pritchard and Hoffman made the choice to play for NZ.
Australia is a more attractive place to play league, I mean who would want to play for the Warriors?
So its fair enough the young talent from here moves over, and good on them for doing it.
 
Hi Yossarian. I'm reluctant to speculate about what motivates player's decisions (money or loyalty).

I like to concentrate on the Tamou case because it is quite clear-cut. He migrated here as a boy with his family. To propose that he should not be allowed to represent Australia sets up a different set of rights between Australian born players and those that migrated here - which I think is unacceptable.

I agree that the case of players who are brought here on football scholarships is problematic. I don't have an answer to that, but I agree that they have less of a case play SOO and for Australia.

Cheers - Fibro
 
The solution should be for the Southern Hemisphere at a minimum, not just whats best for New Zealand… Players like Koroibete; Uate need to know there is something in the future to stay loyal and play for Fiji/Pacific Islands etc!

Here is a brief team option:

1\. Lote Tuqiri - Fiji
2\. Aquila Uate - Fiji
3\. Sisa Waqa - Fiji
4\. Konrad Hurrell - Tonga
5\. Marika Koroibete - Fiji
6\. [some kiwi/australian with a samoan budgie]
7\. [some kiwi/australian with a tongan budgie]
8\. Petero Civoniceva - Fiji
9\. Masada Iosefa - Samoa
10\. Fuifui Moimoi - Tonga
11\. Ukuma Ta'ai - Tonga
12\. Nevile Costigan _13\. [some kiwi/australian with a vanuatu budgie]_
 

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