Membership Renewal and Lui

@tigergirlz said:
Love the Tigers too much to stop supporting them because of one man's actions off the field.
I still want the club to thrive so renewed my membership.
I will leave the Lui issue to those who know what is going on.

Good point. At the end of the day whatever decision the club makes on Lui, will be made with better knowledge of the situation then any of us. So instead of holding a gun to the clubs head over this, if you realy love the club, then trust that they will make the right choice in whatever they decide
 
I'll be renewing my membership, definitely.

The simple fact is, the club is bigger then a player/coach/CEO etc. I've never understood people who bag their club out because of hate on a coach, or withheld membership because they didn't agree with the off season recruiting (looking at my Eels supporting mates for that one).
 
I would love to keep Lui - if he doesn't go to prison. I don't condone what he is alleged to have done by any means, but he is our employee and we have developed him. Even if he gets a jail sentence (of say 6 months), I would be inclined to maintain his contract with a cencession from the NRL and help him rehabilitate when he is released.

Issue for mine is how this affects our sponsors. If he is sacked based on sponsors requests then I would have no objection. Either way it doesn't affect the team you love or your membership. We could sack our entire team today, I would still support them tomorrow.
 
Sacking Lui is pandering to the media and sponsor-controlled reality of sports today.

Sacking Lui has no positive outcome for Lui and his family. This is a very sad situation but I believe it should be a private matter. This obsession with players lives and behaviour is fuelled only by the desire of media companies to sell newspapers. If Lui goes to jail then he shouldn't be allowed to play for the tigers, because his imprisonment will prevent him from doing so. Otherwise, he should be in the side if available.

I'm sick of the media pretending as if poor behaviour by sports players is surprising. And I'm even more fed up with fans swallowing this stuff. It would be great if League players could all be upstanding citizens (I'd say the majority were pretty good) but the reality is that many rugby league players come from communities that have many social problems and that influences the behaviour of players off the field. So, while it is sad that kids can't really have faith in the players they put up on a pedestal but that is the reality of the world. Not every thing is safe and dandy. Many people have problems. Many people make mistakes. Many people hurt others.

I agree it is disappointing that Lui is having major difficulties with his relationship and I also agree that violence towards women is something that should be actively campaigned against. It is a sad situation. But, it is primarily a private situation for Lui and his family to work out. The fact that it has gone to court only emphasises how desperate the situation is. But, that shouldn't preclude Lui from playing rugby league, just as it wouldn't preclude a bus driver from driving a bus.

You can argue that as a public figure he has greater responsibility than the anonymous bus driver and to some extent I agree. But, I think the only reason he would be sacked is to avoid media attention and to please sponsors. Sacking Lui does nothing for his family and does nothing for violence against women.

A much better way to attack violence against women is to keep Lui in the fold and have him talk openly about his problems. Throwing the player into the dark and pretending like the problem will go away by doing so is a stupid thing to do. Have him face the media, have him talk about his problems, give him the support to deal with his issues and through that process improve the publics understanding on the issue.

I'm sick of the media's scrutiny of player’s private lives and I think we should all be much less interested in judging these people through the hyperventilating opinions of the media. Lui has serious problems and his family is suffering because of this. Sacking him is not going to improve their situation. I hope we don't cave in to the media and our sponsors, but I think it is unlikely that it can be avoided.
 
@smoking gun said:
One players actions shouldn't effect your decision on supporting this team.

I reckon Brett Stuart's drunken behaviour (proven (the drunk bit) - not alleged), the brawl and the stuart brothers ongoing feud with Gallop would put a few people off Manly.

Oh that's right everyone hates Manly.
 
Pretending like players actions off the field are not relevant is naive though. They are public figures and what they do reflects on the club and the game as a whole.

Its a fair point to make that perhaps media goes too far these days in digging up dirt or presenting facts in a certain manner to create a story out of nothing, but there is most definitely a need for public accountability from players.

We stood by Lui last time, we kept him in the fold and told ourselves it was in his best interest to give him a second chance. The idea that we do this again in an attempt to rehabilitate or guide him is just continuing the cycle.
 
@watersider said:
Sacking Lui is pandering to the media and sponsor-controlled reality of sports today.

Sacking Lui has no positive outcome for Lui and his family. This is a very sad situation but I believe it should be a private matter. This obsession with players lives and behaviour is fuelled only by the desire of media companies to sell newspapers. If Lui goes to jail then he shouldn't be allowed to play for the tigers, because his imprisonment will prevent him from doing so. Otherwise, he should be in the side if available.

I'm sick of the media pretending as if poor behaviour by sports players is surprising. And I'm even more fed up with fans swallowing this stuff. It would be great if League players could all be upstanding citizens (I'd say the majority were pretty good) but the reality is that many rugby league players come from communities that have many social problems and that influences the behaviour of players off the field. So, while it is sad that kids can't really have faith in the players they put up on a pedestal but that is the reality of the world. Not every thing is safe and dandy. Many people have problems. Many people make mistakes. Many people hurt others.

I agree it is disappointing that Lui is having major difficulties with his relationship and I also agree that violence towards women is something that should be actively campaigned against. It is a sad situation. But, it is primarily a private situation for Lui and his family to work out. The fact that it has gone to court only emphasises how desperate the situation is. But, that shouldn't preclude Lui from playing rugby league, just as it wouldn't preclude a bus driver from driving a bus.

You can argue that as a public figure he has greater responsibility than the anonymous bus driver and to some extent I agree. But, I think the only reason he would be sacked is to avoid media attention and to please sponsors. Sacking Lui does nothing for his family and does nothing for violence against women.

A much better way to attack violence against women is to keep Lui in the fold and have him talk openly about his problems. Throwing the player into the dark and pretending like the problem will go away by doing so is a stupid thing to do. Have him face the media, have him talk about his problems, give him the support to deal with his issues and through that process improve the publics understanding on the issue.

I'm sick of the media's scrutiny of player’s private lives and I think we should all be much less interested in judging these people through the hyperventilating opinions of the media. Lui has serious problems and his family is suffering because of this. Sacking him is not going to improve their situation. I hope we don't cave in to the media and our sponsors, but I think it is unlikely that it can be avoided.

Yeah its all the media's fault..geez!

If he is found guilty of these very serious charges he deserves to be punished heavily, sometimes that's what it takes to get through to people.

After the alleged incident last year - when really his whole career was on the line, you would have thought he would had a big enough scare and would have ensured that didn't happen again.

I understand your point about trying to rehabilitate him but I think (if found guilty) the punishment needs to come first.
 
I agree what Lui done is completely wrong, but to withdraw your membership for player off field discretions is just a joke!! If every employer sacked an employee for an out of work incident our unemployed list would be huge!! Let's start judging people by their on field performance and not off it. As I said, Lui may have stuffed up, but get off your high horses and support this guy as he really needs it. I am pretty sure OUR club is family orientated and like or not, rob lui is part of it, so let's help out one of our own and get him the rehab and support we would give to someone in our own family ..
My membership is renewed and am counting down the days to round 1 (114 to be exact)
GO THE TIGERS!!
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I have resisted commenting till now..

Lose your son, lose your partner, lose your career, lose respect and almost every body in two states knows who you are and what you did while drunk.

Heavy price to pay…

Not condoning this act but this scenario whould lead a person down darker paths.

I'm not asking peope to support or forgive him, just please stop smashing the young man from afar behind your keyboards ans support the greatest NRL team ever.

PS Lose the bottle.
 
@Craig_D said:
I agree what Lui done is completely wrong, but to withdraw your membership for player off field discretions is just a joke!! If every employer sacked an employee for an out of work incident our unemployed list would be huge!! Let's start judging people by their on field performance and not off it. As I said, Lui may have stuffed up, but get off your high horses and support this guy as he really needs it. I am pretty sure OUR club is family orientated and like or not, rob lui is part of it, so let's help out one of our own and get him the rehab and support we would give to someone in our own family ..
My membership is renewed and am counting down the days to round 1 (114 to be exact)
GO THE TIGERS!!
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Its a very personal- difficult and gut wrenching issue for some craig.

There must be a line drawn somehere though.
There would some offences I could think of where I could in no way support the club or player if the offence is proven and the guilty party remained - in this issue I can see it from both the accused and victims point of view
Maybe respecting others points of view instead of labbelling them a joke would be more appropriate?
 
Its interesting. I have already renewed as I trust the club to do the right thing which I have to admit does hinge on the court outcome. If found guilty he should be sacked without doubt. If found not guilty I think there has to be other procedures in place where Lui does not see NRL grade football for a period of time and takes a pay cut and works through community services.

It is interesting the difference in standards that do apply though. One person I know quite well has taken a similar stance which I respect yet has no problem with her daughter having Chris Brown posters on her wall or buying his music for her. Hell Michael Jackson was beloved despite being charged with molestation of a child with some saying the evidence was extremely strong despite his aquittal.
 
Counseling, rehabilitation, discussions, give him a hanky and a shoulder to cry on.

He has had his one chance, to which everyone is entitled. However, two strikes and you are out.

Personal responsibility. Has any of the younger generation ever heard of this or understand what it means?

Sorry, but goodbye Robert.
 
Let the justice system decide. If he is found guilty then he should be sacked, without doubt.

If not, that will be a tougher decision.

To not buy a membership based on a private matter is pretty shallow IMO. I renewed my membership last week and I will trust the club to make the right call on Lui.
 
One new member on board as of today…one **<big>Tiger Woods</big>**.
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Two Tigers by the tale
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/legendary-nrl-talent-scout-noel-crusher-cleal-follows-des-hasler-to-the-bulldogs/story-e6freye0-1226186617085
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IT will be a case of "Tiger meets Tiger'' in Sydney this week when Premier Barry O'Farrell welcomes the great Tiger Woods to NSW. O'Farrell, a Wests Tigers tragic, will take winger Lote Tuqiri along with him. "They are both superstars in their sports and they both pull in the crowds, so it's a perfect mix,'' O'Farrell said. "Bringing Tiger Woods to Sydney will draw golf fans from all over Australia and give the local economy a real boost.'' The O'Farrell Government continues to give sport a high priority, with the $150 million redevelopment of Randwick racecourse beginning today. They also secured the Wallabies-Scotland rugby game for Newcastle fans next June.
 
@innsaneink said:
One new member on board as of today…one **<big>Tiger Woods</big>**.

Not being cyncial but we'd be paying him to be a member (if he actually was) there'd be no associating him (other than this news article) with out some osrt of endorsement fee.

Look at our last association with something Tiger related - Tiger Airways I believe :frowning:

P.S. Your link as at the time of this posting goes to an article on Noel Cleal going to Doggies.
 
@Nix said:
@innsaneink said:
One new member on board as of today…one **<big>Tiger Woods</big>**.

Not being cyncial but we'd be paying him to be a member (if he actually was) there'd be no associating him (other than this news article) with out some osrt of endorsement fee.

Look at our last association with something Tiger related - Tiger Airways I believe :frowning:

P.S. Your link as at the time of this posting goes to an article on Noel Cleal going to Doggies.

Great news mr Ofarrell.strick a WestsTigers cap on the Tiger and watch the sales go through the roof .
As for Lui.I wont be supporting him in any way regardless of any court case , but i will leave his future up to OUR club.
 

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