Moltzen is the best option at fullback and stop whinging

[hammertime]

I honestly just feel sorry for Moltzen. He is a good bloke and a good player. The only person who is 100% to blame here is Sheens for picking him there.

I have no problem with Moltz starting there last year, but since then Wade Mac has been purchased and Brown proved that he is a damn good fullback also. Not to mention Mullany being another year on.

For sheens to put Moltz there in the last hour before the game, after still dealing with his injury, while both brown and meaney were in the squad is more laughable than Utai's falcon.

 

[Balmain_Bug]

You'd fair dinkum blame him for global warming if you could.

CB,
Get with the program Old son, I blamed the Fonz for the Hole in the ozone layer in 2004, Global Warming in 2007 and Climate change in 2010\. It looks like I will be blaming him with Global Cooling in 2013 if Stephen Humphreys has his way !! :laughing:

 

[tiger4ever]

Watersider you must be a SHEENS plant.

What planet are you living on???

Both Brown and McKinnon are a zillion times better at fullback.

This thread is obviously a propaganda campaign to protect the stupid decisions that imbecile of a coach makes.

Wayersider have problems my friend.

I am always highly suspicious of forum members who are new or have low postings coming out with outlandish arguments to support the ridiculous .

I would have mckinnon their for sure.

Heh bug not everyone lives on this forum like you….. so what the guy doesnt post much.

You have a high post count and you come out with outlandish comments all the time so whats your point
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Wayersider have problems my friend. might i remind you of the forum rules....lol

 

[ragedmachine]

It doesn't matter, he will go to the bears in 2013\. Byebye!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

It doesn't matter, he will go to the bears in 2013\. Byebye!

This.

His future with us is limited.

 

[watersider]

Watersider you must be a SHEENS plant.

What planet are you living on???

Both Brown and McKinnon are a zillion times better at fullback.

This thread is obviously a propaganda campaign to protect the stupid decisions that imbecile of a coach makes.

Wayersider have problems my friend.

I am always highly suspicious of forum members who are new or have low postings coming out with outlandish arguments to support the ridiculous .

I don't post because I don't often have much to say. Last time I posted a bit was around the souths game last year I think.

It seems like people are sticking to the argument that Moltzen's not a fullback and Sheens is mistaken for playing him there. That's fine, and you'll all probably be proven right this week when Sheens will move him around again. But, I believe Moltzen should play fullback because there is no room in the halves and he is too good a player to leave out of the 13\. I'm not saying he is a proven 1st grade star yet or anything like that. But, he clearly is a talented player and I think would be wasted on the bench. I don't rate McKinnon since he joined us and I think, despite Brown's good form, he isn't as good a player as Moltzen will be.

I am a big fan of Sheens though. Having supported Balmain before the merger I saw years of promising players fall away under poor guidance and saw very limited attacking play. Sheens has dramatically changed the fortunes of our club and has developed the players in our club skilfully. It show how fickle we are as a fan base that we get in such upheavel about such an inconsequential result as a round 6 match early in our season. A loss is never pleasant but it needs to be put in perspective. And a poor game by a player needs also to be put in perspective.

 

[watersider]

I am not talking about Moltzen specifically. I am talking about this statement.

Leave him in top grade at fullback, back him and let him and the team adjust to the new role in the team.

It doesn't make sense to me lol

When I say let him and the team adjust to his new role in the team. I mean give him a bit of time to make adjustments to his game to suit his role within the team and let the team work out how to use Moltzen best. So work out what role he plays on fifth tackle, where he is positioned in the backline, when he plays the distributor and when he plays the role of support runner. The best thing about Moltzen is that he can do all of these things. Brown and McKinnon don't have the same range of skills.

Hope that helps to explain what I mean.

 

[tig_prmz]

Yeh now it kinda makes sense. I don't wanna go into is Moltzen a fullback or not discussion, but what you were saying before that the team should adjust to Moltzen at fullback cracked me up. :laughing:

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

before you post a new thread get your wording right - at the moment moltzen is not the best option at fullback but rather the only option :bash

 

[Defiant]

imo Mullaney,McKinnon,Brown and Ryan all outrank Motzen for fullback based on his form at fullback pre injury.

 

[mtd]

Let him learn in State Cup.

exactly.nrl is not the place 2 learn how to play a position.
moltz should be in the halves end of story

 

[tigers05]

Never seen a fullback swat flies to take a ball in the ingoal, for me Brown should be at fullback

 

[hybrid_tiger]

I believe Moltzen should play fullback because there is no room in the halves and he is too good a player to leave out of the 13.

This is simply WRONG. Completely not true, and that is my entire point.

Moltzen is not too good to leave out. He is not that good that he should be thrown into a key position that he is clearly not able to handle.

I don't rate McKinnon since he joined us and I think, despite Brown's good form, he isn't as good a player as Moltzen will be.

Both McKinnon and Brown are light years ahead of Moltzen at fullback.

And a poor game by a player needs also to be put in perspective.

This is not one poor game, Moltzen has always been a complete disaster at fullback.

 

[jirskyr]

This is a tough one.

Personally I wish Moltzen was our best #1, because it would be an ideal fit for the team. There is no reason why Moltzen shouldn't excel at the position - he's fast, has fairly good hands and a knack for support.

Unfortunately he is also fairly heartless - your fullback needs to be a bit kamikaze for all the smashings they cop.

I'm just disappointed that the kid can't show consistent form. We've seen what he is capable of, but all too briefly.

Lui's still a better halfback for mine, and I think Mitch Brown the best fullback we have.

 

[magpiecol]

imo Mullaney,McKinnon,Brown and Ryan all outrank Motzen for fullback based on his form at fullback pre injury.

Mullaney scored a hat trick of tries on the weekend.

 

[sjtiger]

Got a bulldogs mate who saw Mullaney play the other week and was giving him MASSIVE wraps.
I tried to explain to him that he is a year or 2 away yet; In a similar situation to how dogs held Barba back a little last year & year before even though he was killing it.
Would be great timing for Mullaney to take over Mc Kinnon in next 18 months.

 

[tiger05]

I still think Moltzen should be at fullback. He will lose us games. I accept that.

The only way he is going to learn though is to play there and figure it out. If it doesn't come off we might have to lose him.

 

[alien]

I think the potential of having Farah, Lui/Miller, Marshall and Moltzen is better than anything we have seen at this club (including 2005).

That can't be right because Lui or Miller aren't as good as Prince, and Moltzen at fullback isn't anywhere near as good at fullback as Hodgo was.

 

[MightyMaggy]

It is important to put things in perspective. Tim Moltzen is coming back from a serious knee injury. This takes a significant time to recover from. Look at all the examples of players coming back from such surgery to prove that point.

Right….so it's best to put him in at fullback then? to help recovering right?

I agree with Sheens' selection of Moltzen at fullback and I hope he stays there. McKinnon is not the same player he was, Brown is good but doesn't have the same attacking options that Moltzen does and I think Meaney only looks like an average player in first grade. With Moltzen we have a ballplaying fullback with pace and an excellent kicking game.

Some people have different ideas on what a fullback should be doing first and foremost, attacking a bomb or a grubber is generally considered a good fullback attribute, willing to put the body on the line in doing it and the same in general defence. Moltzen doesn't do this. McKinnon does and we saw Brown only last week defending against kicks.

I think of the three halfbacks in contention for a first grade spot, Moltzen is the most able at fullback. I think the potential of having Farah, Lui/Miller, Marshall and Moltzen is better than anything we have seen at this club (including 2005). It will take time to workout the best way to utilise these players but it will work in the end because all the players are smart and creative footballers who play an attacking brand.

And Moltzen is much better as a halfback, where he should have been left to continue to build some cohesion in attack with Benji.

The weakness of Moltzen under the high ball and against the kick is a problem, but I believe he has the potential to improve in these areas. I think that bomb took an incredibly unlucky bounce for him last night. He is still an inexperienced player and will still make many mistakes.

Oh that's just great, now how long will this take? Shall we just give this a go for the entire year and hope he works out? like Morris at halfback?

The argument that he should develop in state league is shortsighted. There is a very large gap between top grade and state cup, I personally don't want him recovering from his knee injury in state league and getting used to the slower pace only to bring him into top grade and endure the period of time it would then take him to catch up to the pace of top grade. Leave him in top grade at fullback, back him and let him and the team adjust to the new role in the team.

Now that is shortsighted, if Sheen's grand plan was to have Moltzen as a fullback then he should have started him off in the State Cup as a fullback this year, not only to build up match fitness, but to build up confidence in the position. He's been tried before at the fullback spot in first grade and the result has been less than satisfactory.

People on here need to think about more then just one game at a time. Once again Sheens and team selections come up as an issue. Where was this discussion last week when he virtually did the EXACT SAME THING?

Except he didn't, we had McKinnon at fullback. Had we known at the beginning of the week that McKinnon was going to be out and Moltzen was going to be fullback, you would have seen a lot of discussion…..and not a lot of it good about Moltzen in the fullback spot. We've been down this road before.....

Once again the same three issues come up. Here is why the criticisms of Sheens are wrong:
1.Meaney needs to be on the bench because we need a back in case of injuries. There have been injuries to the backs in almost every game this year.
2\. We play and interchange small forwards with big front rowers because THAT IS OUR STYLE OF PLAY. That is why we play with such dexterity and speed. You all want to change this??? I hope not.
3\. Last night was a bad performance. how many of our performances have been at that level? Very few. Last night is evidence of how good a side we are and how well coached we are. Even with 8 first graders or so out, even when we are playing badly, even when we are playing away, even when the ref calls every god damn knock on by them in the play the ball a penalty against us and even up against a strong and desperate team we still only lost the game by a try in the final minute and were bloody unlucky not to win. AND YOU ARE ALL COMPLAINING? Cop the painful loss but put it in perspective.

1\. No he doesn't, we've had Miller on the bench in case of injuries and that should have been the case last night.
2\. Except we haven't seen much dexterity or speed this year, it's been rather conservative actually. The style has already changed, but we don't have the forwards on the bench to back that up and that showed last night.
3\. It was only a close game because the Titans are playing awful as well. Based on last nights performance, if we were against an in-form side, we would have been lapped.

Well said, Tigerdave.
If I remember correctly, Moltrzen plyade full-back at Campbelltown one night, BEFORE HE GOT INJURED, and his game was as disatrous as Friday nights. He is a good NRL player but not at full-back!

 

[RatedRKO]

He was never good at full back, he has always been cautious and afraid to run it back hard.

Mckinnon, Brown and even Beau Ryan are all better options.