Moltzen

[Cultured_Bogan]

Had a mixed bag for mine. His effort to chase down Lieulia(?) and bring him down was terrific. Thought he worked well all day defensively. Patchy with the ball in hand, but that will happen when you're getting dominated at the front.

I thought Miller looked good despite his limited game time.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

The boy is a still a few runs short, but didnt do anything wrong… I suppose you could pick a few moments in the game where he could of chosen better options, but I feel that is a bit harsh at this stage of his redevelopment.

I'd question the choice of playing him at 7 more than his effort. (but I'm glad the BS about records can be put to bed now)

Fire Up Timmy!!!

 

[happy_tiger]

The boy is a still a few runs short, but didnt do anything wrong… I suppose you could pick a few moments in the game where he could of chosen better options, but I feel that is a bit harsh at this stage of his redevelopment.

I'd question the choice of playing him at 7 more than his effort. (but I'm glad the BS about records can be put to bed now)

Fire Up Timmy!!!

You can still see he is having problems with his knee . There was one stage in 2nd half when he had Heighno outside him he and no one(apart from cover defense) to beat and he stumbled . I am going to bet that he had either a minor lock up or a give way with it .Because the way he ran freely for most of the game suggested he goes himself he would of scored or been able to put Rhino across the paint .

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

People wanted him at half instead of Lui, or at fullback instead of McKinnon. That is laughable, that's my point. The guy is not even match fit yet and some people want him starting in a key position.

I still want him at fullback instead of McKinnon however I can see your point but only because McKinnon has stepped it up recently. McKinnon lacks speed. He is a true fullback but he lacks the speed to really give the opposition problems. Moltzen could cause the opposition problems the issue with playing him at 1 is that defensively he doesn't seem up to it at the moment.

McKinnon may lack pace but he is the only fullback we have who's support play is top notch. Moltzen could never offer the same from fullback and his defense is terrible.

**Who was there to take the offload in the first set when we almost scored? Who was constantly sniffing around the ruck looking for offloads all afternoon? Who made over 200 meters? McKinnon.**

He may be slow but the bagging he has copped this year is pretty pathetic. The only thing he lacks is speed, which is understandable given his age and previous injuries. McKinnon has every attribute you want in a fullback.

As for Moltzen, I am not bagging him, I am bagging the people who want him playing a key position like halfback or fullback. Today showed he is way off the pace and should not even be mentioned for either of those positions. Lui is our first choice halfback, Miller should be second choice. And I would play Brown at fullback before Moltzen if McKinnon was not available for whatever reason.

:master:

Wade Mac is proving his worth this year. Lacks genuine pace but still creates chances. The fact that he lacks pace and has no support is abhorrent in my opinion! Moltzen back to #14 next week.

 

[happy_tiger]

I don`t understand what playing Ellis in the centres would accomplish? We badly lack some oomph in the back row before the ball even gets to the centres.

Because I can't see a better defensive option who can play in the centres and with GI and Sutton running at Daniela he won't cope well in my opinion Maybe even play Dwyer there I don't know but we lost that game with our defense on or around the edges and if any team will focus on that with big mobile forwards it will be the Rabbits

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Moltzen offers one of the best individual attacking options for the Tigers. He has the ability to create something off his own bat- and given the injury list, this can't be overlooked.

Coming back from a long-term injury, I expect it'll take him a couple of weeks to fully get his rythem. How long would it take for Miller to get comfotrable starting? 6 weeks or more? Then Lui's back…

Best bet is to play Moltz, get him some game time, and let Benji do his thing.

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Wade McKinnon is leaps & bounds better than he was last year. He's an excellent support runner & has really created some of the best attacking moves for the Tigers this season. Him & Utai have been revelations all season.

The real issue has been the injuries- if the Tigers could have a few of their forwards back, things might be ok.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Moltzen offers one of the best individual attacking options for the Tigers. He has the ability to create something off his own bat- and given the injury list, this can't be overlooked.

Coming back from a long-term injury, I expect it'll take him a couple of weeks to fully get his rythem. How long would it take for Miller to get comfotrable starting? 6 weeks or more? Then Lui's back…

Best bet is to play Moltz, get him some game time, and let Benji do his thing.

I agree Moltzen does offer genuine attack at his best, and this is mainly due to his running game through speed…

I dont agree with you on the Moltzen ahead of Miller for the exact point you make about Lui being back in 6 weeks. If Lui was gone for the season, I'm all for Moltzen working his way and weaving his magic as a second 6\. But he isnt, and Moltzen at 7 changes our style of play and structure, whereas I feel confident Jacob can easily step in and replace Lui as they offer a similar style of game. Once Lui is back, it will be a straight switch and we dont have to make many changes to the style of football we play...

Either way, I dont think Moltz or Miller will let us down!

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

I'm just not sure if we can really expect a rookie to step in & contribute the way we require him to right off the bat. He'll need weeks to get used to the speed of 1st's. By the time he feels comfy- Lui will be back. So where's the benefit?

Moltz is short of a run- not experience. I could very well be wrong (it happens sometimes) but I think he offers the best option with Lui out.

In fact, I'm still not convinced he's not the best option even with Lui available- but that's just me.

 

[MacDougall]

Really should have been the other way around. Miller starting, Moltzen there to pick up the pieces if Miller wasn't working.

 

[southerntiger]

The only difference between Moltz's performance at halfback today and is other 8 performances is that we lost. He actually had a decent game but a halfback he is not. He is a running back and has always looked best when running off Marshall.

 

[Goose]

i thought he was fantastic…..sparked the attack ran hard and chased even harder...

great game Moltzen

I thought he was pretty good too, other than the terrible miss tackle on SKD early on…. he sparked heaps in attack
He missed 1 tackle and made 2 errors, one of which was a kicking error where a kick went dead from 60 meters out, by no means unforgivable.

Was he the best on ground, nope, was he terrible certainly not. His performance was probably similar to Lui in his games against warriors and canberra, where many were hailing Lui the next joey johns.

 

[Goose]

He still needs time, was about a 5 at best today.

Defense was ordinary, attack starting to get there.

I'd keep him at half though….he isnt defending well enough to play centre.

I cant believe how much everyone is bagging Moltz defence, he missed 1 tackle on SKD, in open play one on one, the hardest tackle to make, on one of the hardest blokes to tackle, he had zero ineffective tackles….do we expect how halfback to tackle like Gareth Ellis and dominate every tackle???

If people had of said he should have kicked better, i'd say sure, but I reckon people are judging the game on precconceived ideas

 

[851]

Really should have been the other way around. Miller starting, Moltzen there to pick up the pieces if Miller wasn't working.

Exactly,if Sheens run with the team selected it might have been a different result,Daniela wouldn't have made those school boy handling and defensive errors and we might have won.

 

[cktiger]

Totally agree with you Goose.
Thought he had a pretty good game seeing he's only had little time on the ground this year.
He took a couple of hard knocks and got right back into the action. Like the way he follows the play too.
He'll only get better.

 

[happy_tiger]

He still needs time, was about a 5 at best today.

Defense was ordinary, attack starting to get there.

I'd keep him at half though….he isnt defending well enough to play centre.

I cant believe how much everyone is bagging Moltz defence, he missed 1 tackle on SKD, in open play one on one, the hardest tackle to make, on one of the hardest blokes to tackle, he had zero ineffective tackles….do we expect how halfback to tackle like Gareth Ellis and dominate every tackle???

If people had of said he should have kicked better, i'd say sure, but I reckon people are judging the game on precconceived ideas

As I said last week Moltzen still isn't Moltzen and it will take a while still it is obvious he still has issues (Phsyical) with his knee . At one stage in 2nd half he had an open line with Rhino outside and he sort of half stopped \stumbled . I think you will find that was knee still . He played ok don't get me wrong But i would of liked to see the team we named to start start .

 

[prattenpark]

Should be battling it out with Brown and Daniella for a spot on the bench or a starting position in the State Cup.
Unfortunately, injuries meant he got a guernsey. Woefully underdone and with 20-20 hindsight a tactical blunder by Sheens to start him at half.
But, you also have to take into account the opposition - last years grand finalists, with one of the best half/five eighth combos who were looking to make a point after criticism of their recent performances - it was always gonna be a huge ask for Tigers yesterday.
Longer term, i'm not sure what to do with Moltzen. Lui is a much better half and Moltzen was never convincing, or looked happy, at fullback. Time will tell whether he can step up and fulfill the potential he has shown - I think he could go either way - be a champ or fall by the wayside.

 

[Geo]

Moltzen offers one of the best individual attacking options for the Tigers. He has the ability to create something off his own bat- and given the injury list, this can't be overlooked.

Coming back from a long-term injury, I expect it'll take him a couple of weeks to fully get his rythem. How long would it take for Miller to get comfotrable starting? 6 weeks or more? Then Lui's back…

Best bet is to play Moltz, get him some game time, and let Benji do his thing.

Hoooray….some else sees it too....few more weeks scheming with Benji in combination will see Moltzen at his best.....almost saw it in the 1st and 74th min yesterday....

 

[southerntiger]

Geo I actually thought he had an okay game. Didnt look much different to how he usually plays at halfback for mine.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

He still needs time, was about a 5 at best today.

Defense was ordinary, attack starting to get there.

I'd keep him at half though….he isnt defending well enough to play centre.

I cant believe how much everyone is bagging Moltz defence, he missed 1 tackle on SKD, in open play one on one, the hardest tackle to make, on one of the hardest blokes to tackle, he had zero ineffective tackles….do we expect how halfback to tackle like Gareth Ellis and dominate every tackle???

If people had of said he should have kicked better, i'd say sure, but I reckon people are judging the game on precconceived ideas

Who said they want him to tackle like Ellis? :crazy

My main point of this thread was that he was underdone and that people at the start of the year calling for him to play halfback and fullback were deluded, which they are. Yesterday proved he is way off the pace and he should not even be mentioned for any key position.

I didn't expect him to play well, because he is still not match fit and realistically it will take him at least half the season to get into his stride. IMO he is a good player with excellent potential, but the way people talk about him around here its as if he is a superstar. He is not.

McKinnon and Brown are far superior options at fullback, and Lui and Miller should be picked at half before Moltzen is. When he is fully fit and confident, then we can see what position he should full, but I suspect it should be none of the above.

Personally I think he's best off at centre, but he would never make a full strength side given we have Ayshford and Lawrence available. So perhaps his best spot now is replacing Lawrence.