OFFICIAL Moses Mbye [Discussion]

I think he's on too much coin to be a centre, and I actually think we have better options on less money there.

9 would be obvious choice for me, but is he up to the defensive workload, and how slick is his service from dummy half?

Can't for the life of me remember if he has any decent toe either...
 
@avocadoontoast said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099064) said:
@Glenn5150 said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099061) said:
@cktiger said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1098890) said:
If LM doesn’t come and he’s fit he has to play fullback.
I ***imagine it was only because he was playing injured that they moved him in the first place.***
If LM does come then he stays at centre.

Yeah that or the fact he couldn’t catch to save his life. If he is at fullback it’s bombs away

To be fair Glenn that was mainly an issue early in the year when he came back from injury and he wasn't 100% right. It wasn't from my memory an issue in 2018. If we don't sign LM or AJ i'd be tempted to give him a go at 1 again IMO.

Maybe, and I can see your point of view but how often does a successful team go back and say “you know what, let’s try that again and see if it works THIS time”?

Additionally we need to look at the opportunity cost. Thompson does a good job at fullback. At centre we have options of Mbye, Momo, Talau and (god forbid) Jennings. Mbye is best option defensively by a long stretch. IMO in attack Mbye and Momo are on a par in attack with Mbye having a better pass on him. Talau is totally un proven at NRL level
 
@Glenn5150 said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099077) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099064) said:
@Glenn5150 said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099061) said:
@cktiger said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1098890) said:
If LM doesn’t come and he’s fit he has to play fullback.
I ***imagine it was only because he was playing injured that they moved him in the first place.***
If LM does come then he stays at centre.

Yeah that or the fact he couldn’t catch to save his life. If he is at fullback it’s bombs away

To be fair Glenn that was mainly an issue early in the year when he came back from injury and he wasn't 100% right. It wasn't from my memory an issue in 2018. If we don't sign LM or AJ i'd be tempted to give him a go at 1 again IMO.

Maybe, and I can see your point of view but how often does a successful team go back and say “you know what, let’s try that again and see if it works THIS time”?

Additionally we need to look at the opportunity cost. Thompson does a good job at fullback. At centre we have options of Mbye, Momo, Talau and (god forbid) Jennings. Mbye is best option defensively by a long stretch. IMO in attack Mbye and Momo are on a par in attack with Mbye having a better pass on him. Talau is totally un proven at NRL level

I get where you're coming from, I just hope if we don't sign anyone he gets another shot at fullback and we see 2018 Mbye again. He was really good for us that year.
 
@Glenn5150 said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099077) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099064) said:
@Glenn5150 said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099061) said:
@cktiger said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1098890) said:
If LM doesn’t come and he’s fit he has to play fullback.
I ***imagine it was only because he was playing injured that they moved him in the first place.***
If LM does come then he stays at centre.

Yeah that or the fact he couldn’t catch to save his life. If he is at fullback it’s bombs away

To be fair Glenn that was mainly an issue early in the year when he came back from injury and he wasn't 100% right. It wasn't from my memory an issue in 2018. If we don't sign LM or AJ i'd be tempted to give him a go at 1 again IMO.

Maybe, and I can see your point of view but how often does a successful team go back and say “you know what, let’s try that again and see if it works THIS time”?

Additionally we need to look at the opportunity cost. Thompson does a good job at fullback. At centre we have options of Mbye, Momo, Talau and (god forbid) Jennings. Mbye is best option defensively by a long stretch. IMO in attack Mbye and Momo are on a par in attack with Mbye having a better pass on him. Talau is totally un proven at NRL level

I reckon people are being too hard on Mbye dropping a few bombs.
Every fullback including Tedesco and Turbo Tom drop a few.... it's just noticed more by your own supporters when you do it.
Mbye sets the defence better, has a better passing game and defends better.
Wouldn't be surprised if fully fit he is also faster than Thompson.
In saying that I also would love to see a spot on the wing for Thompson if he can fight off the other contenders.
All a moot point though if LM signs up for big bickies with the fullback gig as the carrot (along with the loot)
 
@cktiger said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099086) said:
@Glenn5150 said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099077) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099064) said:
@Glenn5150 said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099061) said:
@cktiger said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1098890) said:
If LM doesn’t come and he’s fit he has to play fullback.
I ***imagine it was only because he was playing injured that they moved him in the first place.***
If LM does come then he stays at centre.

Yeah that or the fact he couldn’t catch to save his life. If he is at fullback it’s bombs away

To be fair Glenn that was mainly an issue early in the year when he came back from injury and he wasn't 100% right. It wasn't from my memory an issue in 2018. If we don't sign LM or AJ i'd be tempted to give him a go at 1 again IMO.

Maybe, and I can see your point of view but how often does a successful team go back and say “you know what, let’s try that again and see if it works THIS time”?

Additionally we need to look at the opportunity cost. Thompson does a good job at fullback. At centre we have options of Mbye, Momo, Talau and (god forbid) Jennings. Mbye is best option defensively by a long stretch. IMO in attack Mbye and Momo are on a par in attack with Mbye having a better pass on him. Talau is totally un proven at NRL level

I reckon people are being too hard on Mbye dropping a few bombs.
Every fullback including Tedesco and Turbo Tom drop a few.... it's just noticed more by your own supporters when you do it.
Mbye sets the defence better, has a better passing game and defends better.
Wouldn't be surprised if fully fit he is also faster than Thompson.
In saying that I also would love to see a spot on the wing for Thompson if he can fight off the other contenders.
All a moot point though if LM signs up for big bickies with the fullback gig as the carrot (along with the loot)

If Mbye dropping bombs was occasional like Teddy of course you wear it, but in a season where literally a missed goal kick cost us a top 8 spot, those turnovers were inexcusable
 
@Glenn5150 said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099090) said:
@cktiger said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099086) said:
@Glenn5150 said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099077) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099064) said:
@Glenn5150 said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099061) said:
@cktiger said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1098890) said:
If LM doesn’t come and he’s fit he has to play fullback.
I ***imagine it was only because he was playing injured that they moved him in the first place.***
If LM does come then he stays at centre.

Yeah that or the fact he couldn’t catch to save his life. If he is at fullback it’s bombs away

To be fair Glenn that was mainly an issue early in the year when he came back from injury and he wasn't 100% right. It wasn't from my memory an issue in 2018. If we don't sign LM or AJ i'd be tempted to give him a go at 1 again IMO.

Maybe, and I can see your point of view but how often does a successful team go back and say “you know what, let’s try that again and see if it works THIS time”?

Additionally we need to look at the opportunity cost. Thompson does a good job at fullback. At centre we have options of Mbye, Momo, Talau and (god forbid) Jennings. Mbye is best option defensively by a long stretch. IMO in attack Mbye and Momo are on a par in attack with Mbye having a better pass on him. Talau is totally un proven at NRL level

I reckon people are being too hard on Mbye dropping a few bombs.
Every fullback including Tedesco and Turbo Tom drop a few.... it's just noticed more by your own supporters when you do it.
Mbye sets the defence better, has a better passing game and defends better.
Wouldn't be surprised if fully fit he is also faster than Thompson.
In saying that I also would love to see a spot on the wing for Thompson if he can fight off the other contenders.
All a moot point though if LM signs up for big bickies with the fullback gig as the carrot (along with the loot)

If Mbye dropping bombs was occasional like Teddy of course you wear it, but in a season where literally a missed goal kick cost us a top 8 spot, those turnovers were inexcusable

I believe that was a confidence issue, he was injured, not playing to the level expected due to injury and it got in his head. He is a quality fullback when fit and much better than Thompson in the position!
 
@Glenn5150 said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1099061) said:
@cktiger said in [The Mbye Conundrum](/post/1098890) said:
If LM doesn’t come and he’s fit he has to play fullback.
I ***imagine it was only because he was playing injured that they moved him in the first place.***
If LM does come then he stays at centre.

Yeah that or the fact he couldn’t catch to save his life. If he is at fullback it’s bombs away

Thompson had similar issues and neither was dropping because of pressure. If one of them can’t improve markedly, I would play Smith.
 
LM isn't worth the money and his attitude towards Tigers almost equates to contempt. Nofa makes more meters then any other back consistently. We xan't move another quslity winger, like Korobete. Thompson has earnt first crack at fullback and his work ethic is one of the best in the team. We need a 9 and based on money Mbye or Reynolds should both be trialled. Walters is a handy back up at 9 or 6 should injuries arise.

2021 may see Addo Car return and if that occurs then player positions and trades may arise. If that occurs fullback may be an option for him however I don't think he has played therr since juniors, if at all.
 
We seriously need a fullback. Mbye wasn’t good enough. Thompson’s not good enough. Smith won’t play first grade imo. They are all stop-good until we find a long term solution.
 
Contact drills have Mbye excited for season return
Author - Dan Talintyre
Timestamp - Mon 11 May 2020, 02:26 PM

Wests Tigers co-captain Moses Mbye says the first day back of contact has him ready to go for the 2020 season after missing out on the first two games of the year due to a knee injury.

Mbye joined his Wests Tigers teammates in a physical but manageable session in Sydney's Inner West on Monday as they officially gained the green light from the NRL to resume contact drills — a welcome sight for the 26-year-old after he was forced to watch the opening two rounds of the year on the sidelines.

"We certainly eased our way back in to it," Mbye said.

"Obviously it's been a few weeks since we made tackles so it was a bit of an introduction day today — we didn't get in to it too much.

"We'll get in to more technique this afternoon indoors and then ramp it up tomorrow.

"Everyone has adapted pretty quick to what we need to do to get the game up and running and everyone has been good around that side of things. Getting to training and getting close to each other has been a bit of a nice reward!

"We did a lot of contact work in the pre-season around contact so we've got a lot of resilience built up there," Mbye said. "I think the two-and-a-half weeks of preparation this time around is fine to get ready to go again.

"If it happened at different time of the year for some guys it might have been a different story but I think it'll be okay the way it is."

It was certainly a frustrating start to the season for the Queensland Origin representative, who missed the first two rounds of the season after picking up a knee injury in the club's final trial match against the New Zealand Warriors.

Originally scheduled to return in Round 3 — the round which saw the competition eventually suspended until May 28 — Mbye was forced to endure the difficult wait having missed out on the opportunity to join his teammates in the first two rounds and said he was looking forward to finally making it back on the field.

"COVID-19 was pretty weird timing for me," Mbye reflected.

"I was injured and didn't miss too many games because of the break but I'm certainly looking forward to playing some footy. It feels like it's been forever since I last played and it's only a couple of weeks now which is good.

"I've had a long time to get my rehab right and was fortunate enough to have access to the club's physiotherapy staff. They've been putting a lot of work in to make sure I'm right and ready to go for when we do come back."
 
Brooks, Mbye fit and raring to go as restart looms
Author
Troy Whittaker
NRL.com Reporter
Timestamp
Mon 11 May 2020, 04:48 PM

Having used the six-week, coronavirus-induced break to heal injuries, Wests Tigers stars Luke Brooks and Moses Mbye are ready to roll once the action restarts.

Brooks, who injured his calf the day before the club's season-opening win over the Dragons, was initially set to miss five matches but has confirmed he will be fine for round three.

"My calf is feeling good. I'm back into pretty much full training now and I'll be right for full contact [later this week] too," Brooks said.

The 2018 Dally M Halfback of the Year explained the unusual circumstances in which the injury occurred in a captain's run.

"It was sort of nothing. I sort of went to take off and pass the ball and I thought someone threw a tennis ball or a golf ball at my calf," he said.

"I turned around and looked around and I didn't see anything. Then I went to take a step and realised it was my calf that went on me.

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"It was a bit of a weird one, I hadn't done a calf before, but I guess if there was a good thing to come out of all of what's happened over the past six weeks it's that I only missed two games."

Co-captain Mbye, meanwhile, was forced to watch the first two rounds as he battled a knee injury.

"I guess COVID was a bit timely for me... I'm certainly looking forward to playing some footy, it feels like it's been forever," the utility said.

"I had a long time to get my rehab right and I was fortunate enough to have access to the physio a couple of weeks early, so that was really good. They've been really good in here as well."

With clubs cleared to resume contact training on Monday, the Tigers eased their way back into tackling with left-versus-right edge drills and a light 13-on-13 scrimmage.

The players are expecting things to ramp up as the week progresses.

"It was a bit of an introduction day to it, so we didn't get into it too much," Mbye said, adding that an indoor tackling technique session was planned for that afternoon.

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While the team may need some time to adjust to the rigours of crashing into each other again, Corey Thompson is confident stamina won't be an issue once the Telstra Premiership resumes on May 28.

"Last week we got flogged in fitness," the fullback said.

Thompson also downplayed any major benefit the Tigers could gain if their home ground of Leichhardt Oval becomes a central venue for matches to be held amid the pandemic.

"I think the main advantage is the packed Leichhardt crowd that we usually get. It might give you a little edge, but the main factor will be missing," Thompson said, referring to fans being locked out.

Brooks noted that supporters watched from the scaffolding of a house overlooking the stadium when the Tigers hosted Newcastle in round two and joked the club could sell tickets for the view.

Mbye said his whole squad had adapted to the major shake-ups brought about by the virus.

"No one's complained 'we need a draw, we need this, that and the other', everyone's just embraced that it's going to be different this year," Mbye said when asked if it was difficult to prepare for round three without knowing their opponent yet.

"We've been thrown a couple of curveballs and that's just the way it is. Everyone's just keen to play footy and put on a product that people want to watch. Whoever it is we play, we're just going to prepare the best we can."

Mbye put his trust in the Project Apollo innovations committee to make a smart call regarding any rule tweaks.

It's been touted that the game could reboot under a one-referee model where teams would receive a new set of six instead of a standard penalty if the opposition commits a ruck infringement.

"I think that the committee that's going to make these decisions, they've got some really good brains and really good experience around the football field in there," Mbye said.

"I think they'll be mindful of changing the rules at this time of year, in terms of it's mid-season. We can't forget that it is mid-season, we're going into round three.

"I think as far as rule changes go, they fit better at the end of the year or in the off-season going into next year."
 
I still don’t get the purpose he serves as a player. He’s just....there. He”s not a strike centre. He’s there cos Madge has no other position for him. He’s the most confusing player i’ve ever come across. He’s a captain, playing out of position because there are better options in his preferred positions. There’s constant talk the club could be looking to offload him, yet he’s the only player in the club whose an incumbent Origin player. This isn’t meant to be a thread to bash him, I like him, he belongs somewhere, but where?
 
I like him at centre. Defends well and runs good lines, we have so much strike on our right edge having a more solid and safe left edge doesn’t bother me. Think he’s a 5/8 more than anything though
 

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