OFFICIAL Moses Mbye [Discussion]

[TrueTiger]

If based on bang for our buck. Then yes he is

If based on "bang for Buck" then surely Packer wins hands down? Packer = 34 games, Mbye = 60 games.

Ballin might be hard to beat on that basis = 3 games.

Interesting point regarding Mbye playing 26 more games, but seriously, how many times should he have been picked out of that 26 games?... ??

People are quick to hate on Packer and Mbye ....they were picked to play for Ivan,he recruited them specifically for what he wanted ....Packer and Matalino played well for us while Ivan was here and Mbye was very good as well...We finally seemed to be on the right track when Ivan ditched us like the weak turd he is,he knew we needed him,we all got on the bus and then he had to go back and coach his son...he had a contract with us and should have done the right thing and seen it out with us,he knew he was leaving his son at Penrith from day dot,Chin was never going to leave his mates..
Mats med retires,Packer unlimitted injuries and Mbye goes from good recruit to very verstile utility player and done the job best to his abilities...I wont ever name call him as most on here do because I have never walked a mile in his shoes and would never know what he has been through...big money was offered and he took it to PLAY FOR IVAN and BE COACHED by IVAN...I cant and wont bag him because of Ivans backflip,some players play well for some coaches and some dont....PRIME example BLAIR for Bellamy and bugger all for SHEENS...

Well said. I haven't always been a detractor of those guys, but some of the things forum members have posted about them are downright funny. As any WT supporter will know, a sense of humour is a must, coz if we can't have a laugh our heads would explode.
Packer seemed to fall off a cliff, and due to an unfortunate run of injuries, never got back to being a dominant force.
Mbye though, and I've said it before, is a solid player. He was above average when we signed him, but after a while it became obvious he wasn't going to be a game-breaker. I think alot of us would agree his gameplay isn't comensurate with his salary, but we don't hold that against him. It just frustrates me that he can be an above-average player but doesn't seem interested. Whether it's the coach, club or team dynamic shouldn't matter. Fact is he's a foorballer who's in Origin calculations, and the chance to cement a regular spot in that team should be enough motivation for him to play out of his skin.
As for being the worst WT player, I personally don't think so.

I like your response,but look at it another way...Mbye was purchased by Ivan as a halves player come fullback,he is a specialist halves player and when Ivan left he had Brooks and Benji to contend with as the combo,hence ever since the reshuffling he has played many different positions for the sake of the club because we had no one else to fill the voids...he did the job without being outstanding in one...except the games only recently when he played 5/8 alongside Brooks,the backline had more ball and Brooks played far better in those few games....thats why I refuse to hate on the bloke....but Ivan is a different story for me.....

 

[WT46]

The worst ever player to play in the NRL.. complete useless... good luck with him Dragons

 

[Magpieger]

If based on bang for our buck. Then yes he is

If based on "bang for Buck" then surely Packer wins hands down? Packer = 34 games, Mbye = 60 games.

Ballin might be hard to beat on that basis = 3 games.

Interesting point regarding Mbye playing 26 more games, but seriously, how many times should he have been picked out of that 26 games?... ??

People are quick to hate on Packer and Mbye ....they were picked to play for Ivan,he recruited them specifically for what he wanted ....Packer and Matalino played well for us while Ivan was here and Mbye was very good as well...We finally seemed to be on the right track when Ivan ditched us like the weak turd he is,he knew we needed him,we all got on the bus and then he had to go back and coach his son...he had a contract with us and should have done the right thing and seen it out with us,he knew he was leaving his son at Penrith from day dot,Chin was never going to leave his mates..
Mats med retires,Packer unlimitted injuries and Mbye goes from good recruit to very verstile utility player and done the job best to his abilities...I wont ever name call him as most on here do because I have never walked a mile in his shoes and would never know what he has been through...big money was offered and he took it to PLAY FOR IVAN and BE COACHED by IVAN...I cant and wont bag him because of Ivans backflip,some players play well for some coaches and some dont....PRIME example BLAIR for Bellamy and bugger all for SHEENS...

Well said. I haven't always been a detractor of those guys, but some of the things forum members have posted about them are downright funny. As any WT supporter will know, a sense of humour is a must, coz if we can't have a laugh our heads would explode.
Packer seemed to fall off a cliff, and due to an unfortunate run of injuries, never got back to being a dominant force.
Mbye though, and I've said it before, is a solid player. He was above average when we signed him, but after a while it became obvious he wasn't going to be a game-breaker. I think alot of us would agree his gameplay isn't comensurate with his salary, but we don't hold that against him. It just frustrates me that he can be an above-average player but doesn't seem interested. Whether it's the coach, club or team dynamic shouldn't matter. Fact is he's a foorballer who's in Origin calculations, and the chance to cement a regular spot in that team should be enough motivation for him to play out of his skin.
As for being the worst WT player, I personally don't think so.

I like your response,but look at it another way...Mbye was purchased by Ivan as a halves player come fullback,he is a specialist halves player and when Ivan left he had Brooks and Benji to contend with as the combo,hence ever since the reshuffling he has played many different positions for the sake of the club because we had no one else to fill the voids...he did the job without being outstanding in one...except the games only recently when he played 5/8 alongside Brooks,the backline had more ball and Brooks played far better in those few games....thats why I refuse to hate on the bloke....but Ivan is a different story for me.....

Yeah I've never been a fan of constantly shuffling players around positionally, especially back-rowers playing centres. I will make an allowance for a bench utility role, but if you have a guy who's good enough in one position just leave them there to settle in, concentrate on that particular role and get better. I reckon you're right that his game suffered from it. As for Ivan, you and me both.
P.S. I like the phrase at the bottom if your posts, it's very true. One of my motto's in life is to "Do what you can, with what you have, where you are." Dunno who said it, but read it on one of those office desk flip calendars many moons ago.
It'd be interesting to know what other forum members use as motto's in life.

 

[TrueTiger]

If based on bang for our buck. Then yes he is

If based on "bang for Buck" then surely Packer wins hands down? Packer = 34 games, Mbye = 60 games.

Ballin might be hard to beat on that basis = 3 games.

Interesting point regarding Mbye playing 26 more games, but seriously, how many times should he have been picked out of that 26 games?... ??

People are quick to hate on Packer and Mbye ....they were picked to play for Ivan,he recruited them specifically for what he wanted ....Packer and Matalino played well for us while Ivan was here and Mbye was very good as well...We finally seemed to be on the right track when Ivan ditched us like the weak turd he is,he knew we needed him,we all got on the bus and then he had to go back and coach his son...he had a contract with us and should have done the right thing and seen it out with us,he knew he was leaving his son at Penrith from day dot,Chin was never going to leave his mates..
Mats med retires,Packer unlimitted injuries and Mbye goes from good recruit to very verstile utility player and done the job best to his abilities...I wont ever name call him as most on here do because I have never walked a mile in his shoes and would never know what he has been through...big money was offered and he took it to PLAY FOR IVAN and BE COACHED by IVAN...I cant and wont bag him because of Ivans backflip,some players play well for some coaches and some dont....PRIME example BLAIR for Bellamy and bugger all for SHEENS...

Well said. I haven't always been a detractor of those guys, but some of the things forum members have posted about them are downright funny. As any WT supporter will know, a sense of humour is a must, coz if we can't have a laugh our heads would explode.
Packer seemed to fall off a cliff, and due to an unfortunate run of injuries, never got back to being a dominant force.
Mbye though, and I've said it before, is a solid player. He was above average when we signed him, but after a while it became obvious he wasn't going to be a game-breaker. I think alot of us would agree his gameplay isn't comensurate with his salary, but we don't hold that against him. It just frustrates me that he can be an above-average player but doesn't seem interested. Whether it's the coach, club or team dynamic shouldn't matter. Fact is he's a foorballer who's in Origin calculations, and the chance to cement a regular spot in that team should be enough motivation for him to play out of his skin.
As for being the worst WT player, I personally don't think so.

I like your response,but look at it another way...Mbye was purchased by Ivan as a halves player come fullback,he is a specialist halves player and when Ivan left he had Brooks and Benji to contend with as the combo,hence ever since the reshuffling he has played many different positions for the sake of the club because we had no one else to fill the voids...he did the job without being outstanding in one...except the games only recently when he played 5/8 alongside Brooks,the backline had more ball and Brooks played far better in those few games....thats why I refuse to hate on the bloke....but Ivan is a different story for me.....

Yeah I've never been a fan of constantly shuffling players around positionally, especially back-rowers playing centres. I will make an allowance for a bench utility role, but if you have a guy who's good enough in one position just leave them there to settle in, concentrate on that particular role and get better. I reckon you're right that his game suffered from it. As for Ivan, you and me both.
P.S. I like the phrase at the bottom if your posts, it's very true. One of my motto's in life is to "Do what you can, with what you have, where you are." Dunno who said it, but read it on one of those office desk flip calendars many moons ago.
It'd be interesting to know what other forum members use as motto's in life.

Magpier,I absolutely love your input in all discussions,your sensible,non biased and give hope to everyone that is involved with the club....much like myself I can be critical of the club.players .staff and members of the forum.however I love the lot of them,lock stock and barrel....

 

[Magpieger]

If based on bang for our buck. Then yes he is

If based on "bang for Buck" then surely Packer wins hands down? Packer = 34 games, Mbye = 60 games.

Ballin might be hard to beat on that basis = 3 games.

Interesting point regarding Mbye playing 26 more games, but seriously, how many times should he have been picked out of that 26 games?... ??

People are quick to hate on Packer and Mbye ....they were picked to play for Ivan,he recruited them specifically for what he wanted ....Packer and Matalino played well for us while Ivan was here and Mbye was very good as well...We finally seemed to be on the right track when Ivan ditched us like the weak turd he is,he knew we needed him,we all got on the bus and then he had to go back and coach his son...he had a contract with us and should have done the right thing and seen it out with us,he knew he was leaving his son at Penrith from day dot,Chin was never going to leave his mates..
Mats med retires,Packer unlimitted injuries and Mbye goes from good recruit to very verstile utility player and done the job best to his abilities...I wont ever name call him as most on here do because I have never walked a mile in his shoes and would never know what he has been through...big money was offered and he took it to PLAY FOR IVAN and BE COACHED by IVAN...I cant and wont bag him because of Ivans backflip,some players play well for some coaches and some dont....PRIME example BLAIR for Bellamy and bugger all for SHEENS...

Well said. I haven't always been a detractor of those guys, but some of the things forum members have posted about them are downright funny. As any WT supporter will know, a sense of humour is a must, coz if we can't have a laugh our heads would explode.
Packer seemed to fall off a cliff, and due to an unfortunate run of injuries, never got back to being a dominant force.
Mbye though, and I've said it before, is a solid player. He was above average when we signed him, but after a while it became obvious he wasn't going to be a game-breaker. I think alot of us would agree his gameplay isn't comensurate with his salary, but we don't hold that against him. It just frustrates me that he can be an above-average player but doesn't seem interested. Whether it's the coach, club or team dynamic shouldn't matter. Fact is he's a foorballer who's in Origin calculations, and the chance to cement a regular spot in that team should be enough motivation for him to play out of his skin.
As for being the worst WT player, I personally don't think so.

I like your response,but look at it another way...Mbye was purchased by Ivan as a halves player come fullback,he is a specialist halves player and when Ivan left he had Brooks and Benji to contend with as the combo,hence ever since the reshuffling he has played many different positions for the sake of the club because we had no one else to fill the voids...he did the job without being outstanding in one...except the games only recently when he played 5/8 alongside Brooks,the backline had more ball and Brooks played far better in those few games....thats why I refuse to hate on the bloke....but Ivan is a different story for me.....

Yeah I've never been a fan of constantly shuffling players around positionally, especially back-rowers playing centres. I will make an allowance for a bench utility role, but if you have a guy who's good enough in one position just leave them there to settle in, concentrate on that particular role and get better. I reckon you're right that his game suffered from it. As for Ivan, you and me both.
P.S. I like the phrase at the bottom if your posts, it's very true. One of my motto's in life is to "Do what you can, with what you have, where you are." Dunno who said it, but read it on one of those office desk flip calendars many moons ago.
It'd be interesting to know what other forum members use as motto's in life.

Magpier,I absolutely love your input in all discussions,your sensible,non biased and give hope to everyone that is involved with the club....much like myself I can be critical of the club.players .staff and members of the forum.however I love the lot of them,lock stock and barrel....

Oi... you poking shit at me or what?...
Just kidding, I'm not that insecure. ?
Seriously though TT, what a huge compliment and I'm very humbled and grateful. I will point out, though, that I'm not without my brain-spasms, but in the end I'm Wests Tigers til I die. When it comes down to it, whoever puts our jersey on has my complete backing and (some might say misguided) faith that they can rise to the challenge and meet or exceed expectations and make this club feared again and our supporters envied.
Cheers.

 

[Demps]

The magpie lads of the forum are good blokes.

@Magpieger @MAGPIES1963

Love the Magpies jersey too.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Mbye is far from our worst player. A few seasons ago he was one of our best. He joined to play under Cleary which he went ok. Madge doesn’t know how to use him. As to his contract $$ that’s not on him the club put him on a monster deal just like Packer, Reynolds and Mats. Those 3 would be worse than Mbye by a mile for us regarding signings. Our big name recruits have a history of being diabolical with us because we just don’t play them how they played at the previous club - we have a habit of trying to work round pegs into square hole syndrome.

 

[Demps]

Mbye is far from our worst player. A few seasons ago he was one of our best. He joined to play under Cleary which he went ok. Madge doesn’t know how to use him. As to his contract $$ that’s not on him the club put him on a monster deal just like Packer, Reynolds and Mats. Those 3 would be worse than Mbye by a mile for us regarding signings. Our big name recruits have a history of being diabolical with us because we just don’t play them how they played at the previous club - we have a habit of trying to work round pegs into square hole syndrome.

Seems like Madge doesn't know how to use a lot of players.

Corey Thompson, ring a bell?

Guy doesn't coach to the roster, no person centred approach and tries to bring in players he likes that aren't the necessarily the best.

@The_Patriot knows what's up.

 

[The_Patriot]

Mbye is far from our worst player. A few seasons ago he was one of our best. He joined to play under Cleary which he went ok. Madge doesn’t know how to use him. As to his contract $$ that’s not on him the club put him on a monster deal just like Packer, Reynolds and Mats. Those 3 would be worse than Mbye by a mile for us regarding signings. Our big name recruits have a history of being diabolical with us because we just don’t play them how they played at the previous club - we have a habit of trying to work round pegs into square hole syndrome.

Seems like Madge doesn't know how to use a lot of players.

**> Corey Thompson, ring a bell?**

Guy doesn't coach to the roster, no person centred approach and tries to bring in players he likes that aren't the necessarily the best.

@The_Patriot knows what's up.

Momirovski, Kane Bradley, Josh Reynolds not players that fit Maguire's square peg approach.

Over and over the recruiting has been based on the style of player he wants rather than recruiting and retaining players with quality work ethics and game day mentality.

What he sees in Mybe does my head in.

 

[TigerWest]

Mbye is far from our worst player. A few seasons ago he was one of our best. He joined to play under Cleary which he went ok. **Madge doesn’t know how to use him**. As to his contract $$ that’s not on him the club put him on a monster deal just like Packer, Reynolds and Mats. Those 3 would be worse than Mbye by a mile for us regarding signings. Our big name recruits have a history of being diabolical with us because we just don’t play them how they played at the previous club - we have a habit of trying to work round pegs into square hole syndrome.

So where should we use him?

 

[Demps]

Mbye is far from our worst player. A few seasons ago he was one of our best. He joined to play under Cleary which he went ok. **Madge doesn’t know how to use him**. As to his contract $$ that’s not on him the club put him on a monster deal just like Packer, Reynolds and Mats. Those 3 would be worse than Mbye by a mile for us regarding signings. Our big name recruits have a history of being diabolical with us because we just don’t play them how they played at the previous club - we have a habit of trying to work round pegs into square hole syndrome.

So where should we use him?

There's like 4 games left...
Hopefully that is some one else's problem soon enough.

He's always been a #6
And he's always been a Bulldog.

Keen to see if he has a dig at his next club as he never did for us.

 

[TigerWest]

Mbye is far from our worst player. A few seasons ago he was one of our best. He joined to play under Cleary which he went ok. Madge doesn’t know how to use him. As to his contract $$ that’s not on him the club put him on a monster deal just like Packer, Reynolds and Mats. Those 3 would be worse than Mbye by a mile for us regarding signings. Our big name recruits have a history of being diabolical with us because we just don’t play them how they played at the previous club - we have a habit of trying to work round pegs into square hole syndrome.

Seems like Madge doesn't know how to use a lot of players.

Corey Thompson, ring a bell?

Guy doesn't coach to the roster, no person centred approach and tries to bring in players he likes that aren't the necessarily the best.

@The_Patriot knows what's up.

Surely Madge is entitled to change the roster to suit the style of game he wants the team to play?
Every other coach does.

 

[TigerWest]

Mbye is far from our worst player. A few seasons ago he was one of our best. He joined to play under Cleary which he went ok. **Madge doesn’t know how to use him**. As to his contract $$ that’s not on him the club put him on a monster deal just like Packer, Reynolds and Mats. Those 3 would be worse than Mbye by a mile for us regarding signings. Our big name recruits have a history of being diabolical with us because we just don’t play them how they played at the previous club - we have a habit of trying to work round pegs into square hole syndrome.

So where should we use him?

There's like 4 games left...
Hopefully that is some one else's problem soon enough.

He's always been a #6
And he's always been a Bulldog.

Keen to see if he has a dig at his next club as he never did for us.

He is probably one of the best 14 in the comp now.

 

[Demps]

Mbye is far from our worst player. A few seasons ago he was one of our best. He joined to play under Cleary which he went ok. Madge doesn’t know how to use him. As to his contract $$ that’s not on him the club put him on a monster deal just like Packer, Reynolds and Mats. Those 3 would be worse than Mbye by a mile for us regarding signings. Our big name recruits have a history of being diabolical with us because we just don’t play them how they played at the previous club - we have a habit of trying to work round pegs into square hole syndrome.

Seems like Madge doesn't know how to use a lot of players.

Corey Thompson, ring a bell?

Guy doesn't coach to the roster, no person centred approach and tries to bring in players he likes that aren't the necessarily the best.

@The_Patriot knows what's up.

Surely Madge is entitled to change the roster to suit the style of game he wants the team to play?
Every other coach does.

Yeah, he is... but what's his style of game?.
It's out of date and no longer works...?

We went into 2021 with BJ and Jet as our centres.
Surely I wasn't the only one underwhelmed by this.

He let Corey go and opted for Talau?
With the exception of Laurie, the backline has no strike.

 

[craigtob]

I think any player that gets the chance to play in the NRL must be pretty good in my eyes.How tough must they be physically and mentally,some are just better than others like it or not.My hat goes off to them all.

 

[Demps]

Mbye is far from our worst player. A few seasons ago he was one of our best. He joined to play under Cleary which he went ok. **Madge doesn’t know how to use him**. As to his contract $$ that’s not on him the club put him on a monster deal just like Packer, Reynolds and Mats. Those 3 would be worse than Mbye by a mile for us regarding signings. Our big name recruits have a history of being diabolical with us because we just don’t play them how they played at the previous club - we have a habit of trying to work round pegs into square hole syndrome.

So where should we use him?

There's like 4 games left...
Hopefully that is some one else's problem soon enough.

He's always been a #6
And he's always been a Bulldog.

Keen to see if he has a dig at his next club as he never did for us.

He is probably one of the best 14 in the comp now.

I don't think so.

800k for a 14.
Bad business.

 

[hobbo1]

Mbye / Anasta/ Ballin ..same

 

[Depressed]

I think Mbye has had plenty of good games.

Would he be coping this flak if he was on half the coin ? Who do we bring in ?

 

[TigerWest]

Mbye is far from our worst player. A few seasons ago he was one of our best. He joined to play under Cleary which he went ok. **Madge doesn’t know how to use him**. As to his contract $$ that’s not on him the club put him on a monster deal just like Packer, Reynolds and Mats. Those 3 would be worse than Mbye by a mile for us regarding signings. Our big name recruits have a history of being diabolical with us because we just don’t play them how they played at the previous club - we have a habit of trying to work round pegs into square hole syndrome.

So where should we use him?

There's like 4 games left...
Hopefully that is some one else's problem soon enough.

He's always been a #6
And he's always been a Bulldog.

Keen to see if he has a dig at his next club as he never did for us.

He is probably one of the best 14 in the comp now.

I don't think so.

800k for a 14.
Bad business.

I agree re: the $’s, but he covers more positions than most.

 

[Demps]

Mbye is far from our worst player. A few seasons ago he was one of our best. He joined to play under Cleary which he went ok. **Madge doesn’t know how to use him**. As to his contract $$ that’s not on him the club put him on a monster deal just like Packer, Reynolds and Mats. Those 3 would be worse than Mbye by a mile for us regarding signings. Our big name recruits have a history of being diabolical with us because we just don’t play them how they played at the previous club - we have a habit of trying to work round pegs into square hole syndrome.

So where should we use him?

There's like 4 games left...
Hopefully that is some one else's problem soon enough.

He's always been a #6
And he's always been a Bulldog.

Keen to see if he has a dig at his next club as he never did for us.

He is probably one of the best 14 in the comp now.

I don't think so.

800k for a 14.
Bad business.

I agree re: the $’s, but he covers more positions than most.

Mbye is far from our worst player. A few seasons ago he was one of our best. He joined to play under Cleary which he went ok. **Madge doesn’t know how to use him**. As to his contract $$ that’s not on him the club put him on a monster deal just like Packer, Reynolds and Mats. Those 3 would be worse than Mbye by a mile for us regarding signings. Our big name recruits have a history of being diabolical with us because we just don’t play them how they played at the previous club - we have a habit of trying to work round pegs into square hole syndrome.

So where should we use him?

There's like 4 games left...
Hopefully that is some one else's problem soon enough.

He's always been a #6
And he's always been a Bulldog.

Keen to see if he has a dig at his next club as he never did for us.

He is probably one of the best 14 in the comp now.

I don't think so.

800k for a 14.
Bad business.

I agree re: the $’s, but he covers more positions than most.

Isn't great at any.

I would claim Peachy is a better 14
Or Nicholas Hynes.

Players who actually turn up.